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GT Sprint Cup - Season 3, Round 6 at Oschersleben

Date: Tuesday 4th July

Practice 1: 8:30pm (10 mins)
Practice 2: 8:40pm (5 mins)
Qual 2: 8:45pm (28 mins)
Warmup: 9:13pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:15pm (40 mins)

Cars allowed: Any GT car or Corvette or Viper G2. (Seat Toledo is allowed but will not score points.)
Weather: Dry

Server: UKGTR GT Sprint S3
Password: Server Password is shown in the Password Board (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?board=20.0) and is available to the relevant registered drivers.

Notes:
(1) Full-time drivers should aim to arrive during Practice 1.
(2) Reserve drivers should not connect to the server until Practice 2.
(3) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(4) See  UKGTR Sprint Season 3 Info (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=21) for general Season 3 info.
(5) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7)
(6) The season will be run using a UKGTR carpack v1.5 which will need to be installed prior to racing. Details of this pack can be found here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1235.msg17247#msg17247).

is this race still scheduled for the 4th July?

Hope not as i am duty bound to watch the Italians take on the Germans in the world cup semi final. (Italian missus :-*)...Though i understand entirely if its going ahead now England are out  :'(

Mine is Croatian and I'm really glad she's not into the football.  ;D

TT

That's actually a valid question, will the race go ahead as planned?

Yes, it will be going ahead.

The race that is scheduled to clash with the World Cup Final will be postponed (possibly filled with another trial of Suzuka), which I believe is another GTR Endurance race.

heh, wish i could get her into motor racing  ::)......tho' she drives an MG in British Racing Green and as madly as most Italian drivers, so p'raps i just need to un-tap that hidden love for racing that she doesnt realise she has  ;) :laugh: :wub:

Humph, looks like i will miss the race then :oops: :'(

Have fun chaps  8)

Mine's from Croydon, I don't think they have any World Championships for benefit fraud though....

I'll be, more than likely, opening my GTR career at the event. Just hope to keep out of trouble and get the car to the finish. Is there any skin I must run with? I have the skinpack downloaded but I presume I can choose any skin.

Yeah, just don't pick a skin which belongs to a team you're not a member of. They might get you. :o ;)

Have fun Paddy. Still got no controller so catch you all next time.
 

I assume you mean the pedalset.

Does it really take this long for Simsaga to send the pedals? You do know they don't have any connections with BRD anymore don't you?

Yep Maurice its the pedals that are broke. I brought my failing pedals straight from BRD "factory", just wheel from simsaga, so getting new "board" from there. Hopefully they will get there arse in gear soon   :-X.

Not sure where you stand, regards faults, if they were purchased through Simsaga?

The email from SimSaga said BRD will honour all the warranties regardless of where you bought them.

You are right Pops. It doesn't matter whether they sell it right now or not, the store that sold you the hardware is always responsible for the warranty :)

Because of the heat I'm gonna let a fan blow me the whole race. ;D

How long has she been a motorsport fan - Is she good looking?

Lol Mo.
I wonder if that will slow him down?

Well, not bad looking that's for sure. But don't take too many things off, or else she can be very dangerous ;D

Probably not lol!


You can take some wing off if you want, we wont mind  ;)

Hopefully see you all later on track, haven't raced a GT race this season and if I can beat the traffic and various other obstacles then I'll be there.

[edit] to say I mean beat the traffic on my way home.............................

Bah! this game is starting to get on my nerves.
Looked like it was going to be a good scrap with JonM but as I went off on the pace lap I realised I had no FF whatsover.
Tried to continue but promptly went off at T2 - its amazing how useless I was without it and goes to show that, for me at least, feedback is a big part of controlling the car.

Went to box and plugged in and out the momo which gave me a kind of static/dead feeling FF but my brakes were on all the time - its a reversed axis thing, long story.
Really p***ed about it as I always enjoy Oschers and its the one track where I have good pace in the 550.

Hope you all have fun I'm off to watch Italy win the footie.....

Was looking like a good comeback race for me with my restored internet connection. 3rd on the grid was a real treat, thought it would be a probable top 5 from that position.

I saw Mo go off right in front of me and then two corners later on the very fast sweepy/swooshing left hander where you go out wide onto the run off area to cut back I just caught the grass and off I went. Damaged front splitter. Mo and I entered the pits together which I had a good laugh at and when I rejoined I came back out into the mid-field and a lap down. Tough luck Mo on your troubles.

Knew i was faster than the midfield so was readying myself to pick my way back up the grid unlapping myself and hopefully with some good luck later on I would make some reasonable points for the team.

I had followed my teamie Whitham in his Viper for a couple of laps and was still sizing up how to get by him safely. Then as we started another lap I was right behind him, but he broke a little early into T1 which caught me out. I slammed on the anchors as hard as I could, but knew it was futile, pounced for my keyboard to hit ESC but didn't quite get there in time and hit his left rear quarter.

Absolutely gutted at hitting my own team mate. Very sorry about that, completely unintentional and ruined your race as well. Very bad for the team. I hope Ruskus did better.

Not a very good comeback race after my enforced 2 week layoff.

Really gutted :( From the races I have raced this must be the #1 worst ever. With just 14 minutes to go my internet connection cut off :(

Qualified 7th if I remember correctly. I was running 4th early in the race when I ran wide in turn 4 leaving me no choice but giving TT a free pass. Then Ruskus came from behind who was a lot faster than me so I had to let him go at some point. Racing in 6th TT ran wide in the last corner giving me the 5th spot back. Then I ran wide again in turn 4 leaving TT enough time to get his spot back. Then with only 20 minutes to go I decided to take it a bit easier after which my internet connection failed on me once again with only 14 minutes to go.

Some nice times in qually by the way Jonm and Mo :thumbup1:

Oh man, that was hard, keeping the fan turned on the whole race, pffff, totally out of breath now.

And to answer your question quickly Shark....no :)

First time for me at Orschers in a GT car. Great track, but I couldn't see where to win that extra time.

I don't know what you have mounted on your car Truetom, but the flashback i had during the chase, became all too real.

Remember Brno, last lap, even last corner. I was gaining time on you when...BOOM, bye bye engine.
Sadly to see, it happened again chasing you. And this time with only 1:45 on the clock :o...BOOM.
I didn't expect that. At the endurance race at Imola I was pushing the car almost the whole time, and it didn't go. Eventhough it has straights and hard brake points.
That's why I go with the Lister, cause it can cope with my agressive drivingstyle....guess not  :'(.

Shame, had a fun race. Worst thing is the teampoints I missed this way (5th place). The driver championship is not important for me in the GT class, as I joined halfway.

Well I enjoyed that. I am a slow driver and I didn't expect to be competitive but I was surprised not to be last on the grid. Maybe Mark didn't set a time or something because I didn't see a list of times. Have to apoligise to Lococtus (sp?) for the formation lap incident. I took my eyes off the road to set up my pedels a little more comfortabley and then I seen your brake lights. Tried to avoid it but contact was inevitable. I hope no damage was caused to your car.

I think I stayed out of most peoples way throughout the race. I had no business holding up the leaders and I don't think I did.

Anyway, I'm happy to have stayed to the end and salvaged some points on my first outing. I just hope I didn't break any rules.

I seen that Ruskus, bad luck. Funny enough, I was thinking to myself with about 2 mins left, "I wonder if I get points for 7th? I'd hate to think not. 6th would leave me feeling comfortable but that's not going to happen with me 6 laps down" and then, I seen black smoke at the chicane. Hard luck though, I would have rather you finished.

Bringing the rev limiter down a notch or two helps with engine life.. they usually blow quite consistantly i.e blow at roughly same time for each rev limit for example 7800 30min, 7700 about 60min, 7600 90min. Think it varies with different cars but usually lower limter gurantees no engine failure, just matter of finding out how long for each limit!!

Good race, poor qualy, new setup .. always makes me laugh when a few go off on first few laps cause of cold tyres.  :P Nearly went off a couple of times but kept it together to finish 3rd behind Greg who I followed all race.. was getting close at end and might have sneaked a pass but made small mistake and lost few hundred meters on last lap. :)

I always short shift. Especcially in first and second because usually if I floor it in those gears I spin out of control and it happened a few times in the race, usually coming out of slow corners (hairpin, T4). I never let it go to far into the yellow on the limiter so hopefully I'll be safe.

Good race for me. Just nipped in for pole from Mo by 0.06 I think. It was a good battle. I was expecting more of the same in the race but it wasn't to be :( You've got no chance without FF at oschers. Unlucky Mo. The race went well, there was no pressure on so I could just lap at a nice pace without overdoing it. All the backmarkers were great at letting me by. Nice stuff letting us through Paddy, every time I came up to you, you made it clear which side I should go down etc. :thumbup1: was easy to pass.
Only ever blown the lister once. That was at spa with limiter set to 6800.  was 6500 today.

I think I had my gears just a tad too short. I was in max revs just before the overhead thingy. So mayne 1s in full revs.
But at Imola I didn't lower the rev limiter as well, and it held fine. That's why I thought it would do perfect in a race half as long.
It always happens at the same time. When I'm behind somebody at the end of the race and I'm gaining on him. I should either lower the max revs, or lift off at upshifts. I can't remember blipping too much, I was paying attetntion to that.
Oh well. Grats to winner (dunno who :))

Replay (http://www.ukgtr.org/replay/Oschersleben%20-%20GT%20Sprint%20S3%20040706.zip) and Provisional Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=132) available

Lol, I only lost 1 place by blowing up my engine ;D. From 5th to 6th. So not much lost. :P

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Oschersleben GT Sprint.htm)

Still, it's the difference between 28CD being 1 point ahead of us Sharks instead of 1 point behind where they belong. :laugh:

Good win Jon, as usuall you juat have that little bit more than me.
Qualed in 4th with 17 secs left on the clock, wow was that last effort worth it.
Good steady race with rich no more than a second behind me for the whole lot but never close enough to make a passing attempt.
Real bonus was Jam finishing 5th and gaining the team an extra few points to sneak us ahead of the sharks.

Its not the first time either, I think I've only ever raced you once or twice on track even though we've had many qual battles.
Seems like something always goes wrong for one of us. It would have been nice to see how things progressed with tyre wear etc  - would have been a nice comparison of the lister and the 550 seeing as how we had identical pace.
Next time dude, grats on the win 8)

Don't worry. We just let them taste a bit of the teamchampionship. And then, in the end, we go home with the cup ;) ;D.

I have never driven Estoril really, so please blink your headlights when lapping me :D

Had a quick practise and was all over the place, couldn't concentrate. Decided not to race, my flat is pushing 30 degrees atm. Hope you had a good race, see you at Estoril.

Right, Ruskus, I was wondering where you went. Was expecting you make a move after the Esses as I'm over-careful there (went off in first 4 Sprints I think  ;D ) and I intentionaly wanted to brake late. Well, sorry to see you off. I'm glad I finished as I never practice GT anymore, all my Sprint setups are from last season... Went quite well, considering I change my F360 setups every time, and in Oschers to boot, my least succesful track.

Anyway, too bad Ruskus, was good while it lasted, good feeling to be able to keep you behind, at least with your damaged car  ;D and few laps of practice here. You're too hard on the engine, I guess, I never managed to blow the engine in the race (only in after race doughnuts  ;D ) - I shift at one or two red marks, seldom go higher and seems enough.

Some good points for ZPB team -first and fourth!

Good win, Jon!  :clap: :clap:

TT

Yours and everybody's. I was in shorts and sim sox only, sweating myself to death with the fan blasting warm air at me.  :P ;D ;D

I watched the extra time of Germany vs Italy after I crashed out, was very entertaining. Well done Italy.

Wow, my lap times were way off and I wasn't consistant at all but glad to hear that I didn't cause any harm.  :)

As for Estoril, well, I don't really know this track at all. I'll need to practice a little and get the track stuck into my mind because I'd like another finish next time out.

Lol, Paddy, I came in Season 1 and I thought I knew a lot about racing, etc. Was glad to finish a race then, let alone be consistent.  ;D

We all learned a lot since then.  :smartass:

TT

Even after a thousand laps on one track, still always something new to learn.. if not self taught then from another driver.  :)

With these GT cars, it's all about tyre temps, got to push enough to get them hot.. 80 - 100 is what to aim for, optimum is about 90-100. Hard part is keeping them at those temps all the time, specially difficult to do for the fronts. Can assign LCD to key and flick through motec info in car to get real time tyre temps.

I'll check that out so. I don't usually bother with set ups or anything. I just like to get in and drive. Do setups prove to be a big factor of setting good lap times?

Of course, once you know what all the options do it's only matter of figuring out what the track likes. Or more what a track will allow and what it will not allow .. the physics are very good, ground effect, camber thrust, camber gain, lateral and longitudinal weight bias i.e weight more on front on a down hill section or weight more on left on cambered left hand turn and then there's  G force - it's all there except tyre model isn't so great for low speed supposedly fixed in GTR2. There is lots of info for setting a car up around, when I started spent time considering each different aspect of the car.. now it's all a miss match of info in my brain confusing the hell out of me lol.

If you have a symptom i.e a tyre lifting too much and skidding easily, what i've discovered is that the fix is not always too obvious.. too much body roll off a tyre making it too light, hmm so stiffer anti roll bar might fix it sure. The problem here is it's difficult to know why it's lifting, it could be because the anti roll bar is very soft and also a soft rebound which could make suspension reach it's extension limit and so what else can it do now except lift.

So if weight is allowed off a tyre easily then it will stay on the track for longer as long as it doesn't run out of suspension travel.. if you make rebound stiffer with thicker roll bars and stiffer dampers well it will hold more weight on that tyre but it will lift more instantaneously. My point is it's not always too easy to know wtf is going on .. you read some things and they say one thing and another says the opposite !! As you can see doing this car racing has tunred me into a jibbering mad man.

Nice spell checking tool btw  ..

Yes and no. The single most important thing is still the driver. I would say a setup can tone a driver's time, but the driver is still the one that sets the time.

Driver is important, reaction speed .. but also I think a good brain is just as important.

I reckon you have to get to the stage of 'pretty good' before the set-up's matter too much, as long as they aren't miles from where they should be.

The set-up is never going to compensate for getting the wrong line, brakng too early/late etc. etc. etc.

With a few exceptions such as as taking lots of wing off at Monza, changing the setup won't improve your times by seconds, an improvement of a few tenths is more realistic. However, changing the setup can make the car more predictable, allowing you to push with more confidence. You might be interested in the setups on the Team Shark site, they've been tweaked more for driveability than outright performance.

http://www.teamshark.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=84&Itemid=66

I agree with the Shark consultants  :P  that its mainly down to the driver and the driving technique. Setups are very much a personal preference whats fast for one driver may not be fast for another - everyone has their own driving style, which the setup may not suit.

Like Aagramn says the one thing that setup has a big effect on though is the consistancy of the car over race distance. Managing the tyre temps with camber and pressure changes will greatly affect the temp of the tyres. If they are getting too hot then they'll wear away pretty quick, resulting in a big fall off in times, or just falling off full stop.
So if there's one area I'd recommend to play with its the tyre pressures and cambers - its pretty much all I ever change.
Drive 5 laps on the tyres before even thinking of looking at the temps though.

I wouldn't bother with the BIG zip file there. The fully tweaked, driveable F360 and Morgan setups are worth it as they make the cars imho much easier to drive which leads to better race pace and less falling off.

My new Lambo and Mosler ones are only available to Team Shark members at the moment (but this really just means I haven't been arsed to package and post ont he website, so are only on our forums). If you want my latest existing setups of those two cars I'm open to providing them for anyone. I recently gave my new Mosler setups to TrueTom. Just goes to show Penguins need Sharks really. :ninja:

As for GT Legends setups, I haven't a clue, but my teamie Zacari is pretty good at GT Legends car setups.

The only adjustments you need to for drving GT Legends to heaviliy increase your intake of beer & fags  :euro:

Thanks for the answers. When I find time to practice at Estoril, I'll try tinkering with some setups.