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Title: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Simon Gymer on July 03, 2006, 08:13:06 PM +0100
NGT Sprint Cup - Season 3, Round 8 at Monza

Date: Tuesday 8th August

Practice 1: 8:30pm (10 mins)
Practice 2: 8:40pm (5 mins)
Qual 2: 8:45pm (28 mins)
Warmup: 9:13pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:15pm (40 mins)

Cars allowed: Ferrari 360, Porsche 911 GT3-RS, Porsche 911 Bi-Turbo, Mosler, Vertigo or Morgan. (Lotus Elise, BMW Z3M, Porsche GT3 Cup are allowed but will not score points.)
Weather: Dry

Server: UKGTR NGT Sprint S3
Password: Server Password is shown in the Password Board (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?board=20.0) and is available to the relevant registered drivers.

Notes:
(1) Full-time drivers should aim to arrive during Practice 1.
(2) Reserve drivers should not connect to the server until Practice 2.
(3) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(4) See  UKGTR Sprint Season 3 Info (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=21) for general Season 3 info.
(5) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) - especially the new Pit Limiter rolling start procedure
(6) The season will be run using a UKGTR carpack which will need to be installed prior to racing. Details of this pack can be found here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1235.msg17247#msg17247).


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Zerbubus on July 26, 2006, 12:43:58 AM +0100
I'd like to be there, i will show up at pratice, and hope to enter race.

Only reason for me not being there is i get my new job and have to move, but that shouldn't happen till after.



btw i have the car pack, is there a specific car/skin i need use?


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on July 26, 2006, 07:35:33 AM +0100
btw i have the car pack, is there a specific car/skin i need use?

There are basically two 'rules':
  • Don't use a team's skin if you aren't a member of that team
  • Don't use a privateer's skin if you aren't that privateer (unless you have their permission)

So in your case, just pick any of the 'standard' skins which come with GTR.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Zerbubus on July 26, 2006, 08:46:33 AM +0100
thank you, i just needed to clear that up so i didn't do something that you wouldn't want me to.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Paddy Cummins on August 02, 2006, 03:00:13 PM +0100
Could I join for the final round? Since the GT season is over, I'd like to keep myself occupied for a bit. I'll go down as a reserve driver (unless someone would like me to join a team  :P). Same rules apply as in GT series (except different cars), yes?


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 02, 2006, 03:50:05 PM +0100
Could I join for the final round?

You're already listed as an NGT Sprint reserve... ;)


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Paddy Cummins on August 02, 2006, 07:08:01 PM +0100
Ok, thanks Dave.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: greg130 on August 08, 2006, 10:24:40 AM +0100
Should I risk the Mosler tonight or play safe with the F360 ?
Mosler it is then, just hope those tyres hold up.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Edza on August 08, 2006, 10:38:30 AM +0100
I can't believe it's all coming to an end.... :no: :no: :no:

boo hoo


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: greg130 on August 08, 2006, 11:09:54 AM +0100
I can't believe it's all coming to an end.... :no: :no: :no:

boo hoo

Yeah fully agree mate, seems a real shame that we are abandoning the best online racing sim in years before its replacement is even released, let alone tested.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Edza on August 08, 2006, 11:40:20 AM +0100
It really would be cool if we had a big turnout for this....I'm guessing there well might be.

Can I ask what the server capacity for this one is (number of cars)?


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: mclaessen on August 08, 2006, 11:42:52 AM +0100
Don't forget there's another race on Sunday. Endurance @ Suzuka. That is the final championship race actually, not this one. Would be nice to have a big turnout there as well for once :)


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Simon Gymer on August 08, 2006, 11:46:17 AM +0100
Can I ask what the server capacity for this one is (number of cars)?

We don't know we've never filled it.  ;D

Officially it's 52, but unofficially it's thought that GTR itself just can't cope with more than about 32.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: greg130 on August 08, 2006, 12:06:50 PM +0100
Just a thought, how about introducing a GTR ladder ?
Say alternate class (ngt,gt,g2,g3), 1 hour races ?


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: mclaessen on August 08, 2006, 12:25:12 PM +0100
Good idea. Do you mean with GTR 1 or GTR 2? Then we would need car rankings which would be a little more difficult than in GTL. At least that's what I think :)


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: greg130 on August 08, 2006, 01:29:19 PM +0100
GTR1 mate.
Dont believe you would need any car rankings if you did fixed class racing.
Just an idea.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: mclaessen on August 08, 2006, 01:36:28 PM +0100
Dont believe you would need any car rankings if you did fixed class racing.

I haven't thought of it that way :) Sounds good to me ;D


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Jeffrey on August 08, 2006, 02:34:58 PM +0100
I've got my DFP back!!!! EEEEY. Now off to get some praccy ;D


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Simon Gymer on August 08, 2006, 03:34:04 PM +0100
GTR1 mate.
Dont believe you would need any car rankings if you did fixed class racing.
Just an idea.

I would think you need a few rankings, e.g.

In GT...Corvette needs a points help as does the G2 Viper.
In NGT...Morgan and Vertigo needs a points help.
In G3...Lotus and GT3 Cup are much slower than BMW.

I know there is good support for ladders, but I hate them. Championships is what I like as there is a start, a middle and end, like a good book. There is just no incentive in a ladder for me.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: greg130 on August 08, 2006, 03:44:47 PM +0100
Was just an idea mate to give the guys something to race for instead of fun races which historically have been a bit of a flop.
Oh well not to worry.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Simon Gymer on August 08, 2006, 03:48:17 PM +0100
Just my opinion Greg. I'm not in charge. If you think it's going to get good support and want to push it don't let me stop you.

I've not really seen anything that people are enthusiastic enough about to fill the Tuesday gap yet so at the moment it's free till September 30th. There aren't enough for rFactor or Netkar and I get the impression that one night of GTL is enough.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: RS on August 08, 2006, 03:56:46 PM +0100
Best of luck to all tonight for the last NGT race in S3......  :)


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: mclaessen on August 08, 2006, 03:58:22 PM +0100
I've not really seen anything that people are enthusiastic enough about to fill the Tuesday gap

The solution to that is quite simple actually ::)

Just organise some fun races and tell them there will be free lager. It will be jampacked me tells you ;) :P


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Simon Gymer on August 08, 2006, 04:09:06 PM +0100
Just organise some fun races and tell them there will be free lager. It will be jampacked me tells you ;) :P

Is that you offering to supply the drink Maurice?  ;) :angel:


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: greg130 on August 08, 2006, 04:22:21 PM +0100
Just my opinion Greg. I'm not in charge. If you think it's going to get good support and want to push it don't let me stop you.

I've not really seen anything that people are enthusiastic enough about to fill the Tuesday gap yet so at the moment it's free till September 30th. There aren't enough for rFactor or Netkar and I get the impression that one night of GTL is enough.

I dont know if it would get good support or not.
Is one night a week doing a bit of GTL enough ?
It was just an idea and certainly isn't my place to organise such events.

Perhaps the powers that be should put a poll up to see if the guys want to keep GTR1 alive in some form or another ?


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: picnic on August 08, 2006, 04:37:26 PM +0100
Not sure we should encourage drinking and virtual driving  :P

Trouble with swapping around all over the place is practice. I've tried pretty much each season to stick to a single car. Swapping and changing all the time means I won't practice so I won't attend. Perhaps I'm alone here but there is only so much time to practice


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: mclaessen on August 08, 2006, 04:40:07 PM +0100
Is that you offering to supply the drink Maurice?  ;) :angel:

Uhh, lol, didn't think about that yet actually :D


Not sure we should encourage drinking and virtual driving  :P

Better to drive online when drunk then do it irl ;)

Yeah, maybe not a good idea after all :D ;)


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: LEUVEN on August 08, 2006, 06:34:41 PM +0100
Doing this might be the last and only time some of the cars get used in a proper on-line race, theres even a few Ive only ever done a handfull of offline laps.  :'(

Worth a try in my book.  :)


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 08, 2006, 06:50:12 PM +0100
I know there is good support for ladders, but I hate them. Championships is what I like as there is a start, a middle and end, like a good book. There is just no incentive in a ladder for me.

The car ratings used in scoring don't have to be used in a ladder/rolling ranking context, they could just as easily be used in a championship setting.

The real problem in GTR is that the Seat has no comparable cars and the performance range in G3 is huge.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: silver53 on August 08, 2006, 07:43:16 PM +0100
Hi All I used to do the christian races and they used default fixed set up it was quite good as there was no way od altrering set up so just practise for better times. cheers gerald ps mosler to night for me


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Paddy Cummins on August 08, 2006, 08:23:56 PM +0100
Ok, I'm there lads. See you on the track in a few mins.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: RS on August 08, 2006, 09:27:22 PM +0100
Good luck team, ****ing wondws security center popped up and shut me down, I'm off to hospital now to get this PC surgically removed from my foot..... :'(

Not happy is an understatement



Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Adam Parle on August 08, 2006, 09:31:54 PM +0100
What a dumbass, went to garage nice and early .... and selected the Morgan race setup instead of the Mosler .... needless to say I wasn't going to be in contention for anything other than last place and being lapped by everyone.

Gutted.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Adam Parle on August 08, 2006, 09:47:02 PM +0100
....and I've lost connection to the game, so can't even watch the rest of the race..... a thoroughly naff evening.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Mark J on August 08, 2006, 09:50:42 PM +0100
Edit - Post removed.

...Apologies to whoever hit my stricken Porker, i didnt know it until i tried to accelerate but my rear wing was gone and i slewed across in front of someone.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Simon Gymer on August 08, 2006, 10:05:47 PM +0100
Err, not the place Mark.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: greg130 on August 08, 2006, 10:08:51 PM +0100
Yep that was me hitting your car, if it was the one on the s/f straight, the esc key comes to mind.
Oh well we all make mistakes, I know I do, sorry again Zac, just couldn't slow down enough you when you pulled across after letting shark through.

Apart from that it was an awful race, lol.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Zacari on August 08, 2006, 10:10:40 PM +0100
Indeed, I could b!tch about the guy who pitched me into the barriers, but I wont.  Race was mad with a setup that was horrid after a few laps, must have spun 3 or 4 times and ended up in 11th I think.  Overall pretty happy though, took 1.8s off my PB! :)


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: ginsters sponsored on August 08, 2006, 10:11:44 PM +0100
First time I've ever got "flashed" in quali tonight  ???. About the dumbest thing I've seen and I had to wait to last race to see it.

Still, no excuse for terrible quali (and I had practiced for that  ::)). But thanks all for great race and nice to finish race battling new faces (to me anyways) Jan and BigG  ;D. Don't forget what a long way this league has come and, for that, thanks to Dave, Shark, Picnic and co.

Gutted for Mo  :-\ and for the fact those bloody Sharks have done us, I think.

p.s Don, don't forget to report Pops for terrible parking  :P


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Minton on August 08, 2006, 10:14:38 PM +0100
Wow what a race :o, qualified 15th and finished 4th , had some great battles through the race .  Made a silly mistake and lost it at the last chicane when lying third and gaining on MarkGP . Sorry who ever it was who hit me as i was sitting in the track , i tried to go onto the grass on the inside but spun the car and ended up sitting in the middle of the track.

Grats to Mark on the win.

Thanks everyone who gave me room to get back to my grid position after making a pigs ear of the pace lap  ;).

Cheers




Title: ...
Post by: Paddy Cummins on August 08, 2006, 10:15:27 PM +0100
Oh well. Not a good race from me. I picked the Vertigo as it was easy to drive and hoped to have a clean race. But boy was it slow! Qualifying went ok but I was really slow and don't think I could have gone potentially better than a 1:59 overall in that car.

The start of the race was ok. A spin on the formation lap didn't harm anything as I thankfully kept it out of the wall. Back on track and I tried to make up a place on Edza into turn 1. I managed to give him a slight push but no harm done although I didn't make up a place. I did make up a few positions then as other drivers ran into trouble but something big was in store for me. I was coming into Lesmo 1 and ran a little wide. I was going quite fast and running on the outside of the track. Just then, I noticed a slow Porsche (Edza) and contact seemed inevitable. And boy Jaysus was it big! Both myself and Edza needed to pit and I felt really bad about what happened, sorry mate. It wasn't done on purpose, I just should have concentrated more and I take absolute full blame for the incident. After the pits, I let Edza pass me out, which was the least I could do. I just trundled on home then trying to not mess up anyone elses day, which I don't think I did.

Happy to finish as always although I'm expecting more than a slap on the wrist from the race officials.

Thanks Dave and Shark and whoever else was involved in moderating and running the races here. It's been fun, albeit my late entry to the series.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: picnic on August 08, 2006, 10:16:54 PM +0100
Replay (http://www.ukgtr.org/replay/Monza%20-%20NGT%20Sprint%20S3%20080806.zip) and Provisional Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=135) are available for your delectation  ;D


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Grinsomat on August 08, 2006, 10:20:07 PM +0100
what a ending for this season/game !

thx to UKGTR staff for hosting and administrating ! you are a good bunch of guys !!!!!

I had such a good race ! ok I spun it 2 times on my own cause of beeing silly and overoptimistic with worn out tires ! But I am glad qualifying 3rd and finishing 5th !
I had some nice battles don`t know with who all of you ! But I really enjoyed it !

thx to all of you ! I enjoyed this season a lot !

cya all again in GTR2 !


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: picnic on August 08, 2006, 10:26:08 PM +0100
Well done everybody on another excellent series of NGT racing, especially CeeJay, Ruskus and Shark on the provisional podium and to GTN, RS and Sharks on the team points.

Fairly uneventful race for me, crap qual left me in a lowly 25th place  :o Wow we finally got more than 24 turn up to a GTR event to show off the new server's grunt ;) GTR gave me a few blue flag warnings as it seems to with larger fields, no way was I being lapped on L3 without even spinning  :-\

From there 1 true pass on Rob, I think it was, and 12 other places gained by others falling off. Mind you I gave a couple back in return at one point  :-[

Here's to some fun races before GTR2 is born  :D


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Jeffrey on August 08, 2006, 10:27:20 PM +0100
I'm so happy to be back after 5 weeks. That "pause" made me slow during qually, 14th place and probably my worst qually ever.

In the formation lap I gained a pos due to a disco from RS. I know how that feels, so I'll remove that PC for ya, for free ;)

The race was awesome, eventhough there were some moments (Rich_A and TT you've got a pm from me).
I had battle the whole race long. Forming a train with Grinsomat, TT, me and Minton for some laps.
I was surprised to end in 2nd place. Mostly due to drivererrors upfront as I didn't really make any overtaking manouvres. Might be better, as I was a bit rusty tonight.
Grats to MarkGP.

I'll be a video about this race, a sort of tribute to UKGTR, so if you know any good things about this race, SHOUT IT OUT, and I'll put it in the video.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: RS on August 08, 2006, 10:27:59 PM +0100
I think the points are incorrect for the teams sharks should get 11 we get 4 points....

and Dan maybe you shouldn't of owned up about rejoining your position as the rules state otherwise.....;)


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Jeffrey on August 08, 2006, 10:29:22 PM +0100
Well done everybody on another excellent series of NGT racing, especially CeeJay, Ruskus and Shark on the provisional podium and to GTN, RS and Sharks on the team points.

 :oI think my season was over because I missed so many races. How on earth did I get 2nd ???. Good thing I didn't know that that was possible before the race or else I might have dies under the pressure.

Grats to CJ and GTNDC for winning


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Simon Gymer on August 08, 2006, 10:33:09 PM +0100
Congratulations Claus and GTN, well deserved driver and team championship wins.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: RS on August 08, 2006, 10:34:32 PM +0100
Sorry forgot to thank all involved in UKGTR for running the league etc etc.... was real fun

And a big thanks to Mo for the moderators reports, must be hell of a job.....

RS


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Simon Gymer on August 08, 2006, 10:35:13 PM +0100
I think the points are incorrect for the teams sharks should get 11 we get 4 points....

I'll get Gizmo to check it.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: jan duijs on August 08, 2006, 10:37:40 PM +0100
Thx guys for a great season missed a few,but the ones i competed in were all great.Hope to be here for GTR2 again.

Jan


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: picnic on August 08, 2006, 10:39:14 PM +0100
I think the points are incorrect for the teams sharks should get 11 we get 4 points....

I'll get Gizmo to check it.

Wish I could find where the points awarded are stated - can't see it in the rules or as a link from the season pages  :-[ Sure I've been here before too  :-[ :-[


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Grinsomat on August 08, 2006, 10:43:37 PM +0100
when you look at the team champ table you can click on scoring and then shows up what the scoring is like !

10 8 6 5 4 3 2 1 --> something like that ! I think !


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: BigG on August 08, 2006, 10:46:16 PM +0100
Hi All,

Good racing agian. Quallied 19th, was shocked when i returned to the pits! Good clean start to the race by everybody I could see. Had a mare in the early laps and rejoined in 22nd I think, from there I picked up a few places on track and then a few fell of which helped me up to 13th, then it was a question of keeping it going and I finshed 10th and a few more points.
Well done to the WINNERS of the indiv and team Champs. Glad we came 2nd even if i did not manage to be fast or consistant in first 2/3's of the season. I think I needed yet more time in the cockpit of GTR instead of playing alsorts of diff games.
Anyways, Cheers to all the team for running this league, very proffesional imo.

Cheers all and lets start a petition to keep GTR alive in the leagues! LOL


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Jeffrey on August 08, 2006, 10:46:21 PM +0100
when you look at the team champ table you can click on scoring and then shows up what the scoring is like !

10 8 6 5 4 3 2 1 --> something like that ! I think !

You are corrects sir:

"NGT - Teams Championship (scoring)
Scoring Scheme
At each event, best 2 scores count
All rounds count
Points: 10, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1"


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: picnic on August 08, 2006, 10:53:45 PM +0100
when you look at the team champ table you can click on scoring and then shows up what the scoring is like !

Ta, that's subtle ;)

Explains Team Shark's 14 points tho because, IIRC, points carry down when privateers are in the positions. So Ruskus gets 10 for 1st team driver to finish.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Grinsomat on August 08, 2006, 10:59:13 PM +0100
hm.........ok that should explain it sorry ! didn`t recognize the privateer !  ;D ;D


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: RS on August 08, 2006, 10:59:46 PM +0100
Oh I see now............ phew that was close...lol :)


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Minton on August 08, 2006, 11:10:40 PM +0100
Quote
and Dan maybe you shouldn't of owned up about rejoining your position as the rules state otherwise.....

Didnt relise it was against the rules ,   im sure ill be punished!! :D


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Mark J on August 08, 2006, 11:17:09 PM +0100
Just like to clarify that myself and Shark have both watched the replay and have kissed and made up in private  :-* (which is how i should have kept it...me bad :-[ )

And sorry once again to Greg for the re-joining crash..had assumed that any approaching car would have plenty of track go go round me :-[...my brain was on the end of my boot as i kicked my steering wheel across the room in frustration after said incident.

Thanks to all the mods and organisers for a terrrific season once again. I set plenty of my own new records in my quest to get competitive up the front but am still blown away by some of the amazing pace shown this season. I beat my (reasonable) PB by over a second and a half here and still only qualied 11th  :(
The racing was awesome,
Top stuff, thank you all.  8)


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Jeffrey on August 08, 2006, 11:26:17 PM +0100
Does anybody have a client replay for me....pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaassssseeeee :-*


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Zacari on August 08, 2006, 11:36:33 PM +0100
I'll very shortly PM you a link to mine :)


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Simon Gymer on August 08, 2006, 11:47:03 PM +0100
It was quite interesting driving the 911.

Quite nice to finally get a full comparison of all the cars in real race situations as I've done full seasons in the F360, Mosler and Morgan and now I've had a go in the 911.

Morgan IS the best handling NGT. Unfortunately it is neither the quickest down the straights nor has as much grip round the corners as the other NGTs. Because it is VERY stiffley sprung it bounces all over the place so can be very hard to control with FF on. Personally I love it, but it's not competitive enough with the other NGTs.

F360 I can't make my mind up on. On the one hand it has the best engine sound (obviously very important when getting a fast lap time), but on the other hand you have to cane the hell out of it to make it go fast. It's ultimately a bit too twitchy for my liking although you can tune a lot of that out in the setup. It's reasonable on the brakes if you can hold her steady. In a straight line I find it off the mark. Maybe it's the setups I use but it never seems fast enough in a straight line compared to the 911 and the Mosler is only just behind it in a straight line too (very close straight line speed between 360 and Mosler I think).

Mosler has probably become my favorite NGT. I've just somehow managed to find out how to setup the car perfectly for me and that makes it feel fantastic to drive. It has loads of grunt ouf of the corners and is good on the brakes if you need it to be (especially as I can set it up with the most rear brake balance of any car enabling me to brake later and more into the corners). I also think it has the highest slow/mid speed corner speed of any of the NGTs. It's starts to lose out to the F360 and 911 around the very high speed corners but other than that has tremendous corner speed. It is not as quick as the 911 in a straight line without compromisng the wing settings. Once it starts to stretch it's legs the 911 starts to pull away and to a small extent so does the F360. The way I drive it and with the setups I have now I do find this the most stable NGT car and easiest to drive for an entire race.

Finally onto the 911. After just one full race in anger (although not my first time in the car by any means), it's a bit harder to judge, but my findings were (and this included running a high wing setting in practice build up to this race for comparison)...way quicker in a straight line. Even with high wing the 911 just pulls and pulls and pulls towards the high speeds, very handy for getting away from the opposition. Brakes - well this is interesting, it's not the easiest to brake hard in, but it does seem to have the greatest stopping power of all the NGTs. I couldn't quite get the right setup on the brakes for me and from what I've seen of 911s in races it has a frequent problem of locking either of the rears (usually just the one) under braking. Handling wise it's a bit bouncy and twitchy but has far less lift off oversteer than the other Porsches especially with tweaks to the setup. I didn't feel it had the highest grip of the NGTs round the bends, but it has a very good turn in and excellent under power out of the corners. The other thing I noted from practice was how easy it was to overheat the rears with just one spin or even with the odd mistake. The other NGTs don't suffer as much with this as the Porsche does.

Sorry, hope I didn't bore you. If you're still reading this then I thank yee for your patience and hope it was of some interest to you.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: locutos ukgtr on August 09, 2006, 06:54:05 AM +0100
What an awful way to finish the season. There was less than a second in qual between 5th and 18th place, should be a good race I thought....Well it probably would have been if I'd clicked the correct set up after quali. 2 laps in and touching the brakes caused the back to decide it was the front, knew I had a problem and thought wiser to quit than kill someone elses race. Apologies to Bri who I caught out on rejoin after the chicane. Thanks Mo for all your hard work modding this event, I know its hard work! And thanks SimRacing for hosting. Finally get this bloody game running without 1fps bug and its time to shelve it..... :-[


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Don on August 09, 2006, 07:25:50 AM +0100
The competition has been so tough for this series, that even managing to creep into the points on the odd occasion has been a daunting (frustrating) job for a tail-end runner like me. The racing has been hard but fair and on those basis alone has had me comming back for more.

Thanks to all the back room boys for making this happen and for giving up your time and patience so that we can all enjoy our racing in a friendly, competitive and well conducted manner.
Thanks
D.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 09, 2006, 07:44:35 AM +0100
I think the points are incorrect for the teams sharks should get 11 we get 4 points....

Points are handed out according to the top two of each team drivers only, so we have:

1. Team Shark (Ruskus) - 10
2. Ze Penguin Brotherhood (TrueTom) - 8
3. Team RVS (Minton) - 6
4. RS Motorsport (Grinsomat) - 5
5. Team Shark (Shark) - 4
6. Dutch Turtles (jan duijs) - 3
7. NGT Legends (popabawa) - 2
8. Kerb Crawlers (ginsters sponsored) - 1

So the Sharks get 14, RS get 5.


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: FlyBri on August 09, 2006, 08:21:17 AM +0100
What a complete disaster for me, practiced loads for this race getting into the 1.51's on full tanks, Monza always been my strongest circuit... Best in qualifying was a 1.53.xx :cursing: This put me 21st on grid.

Race wasnt any better, all race never managed a lap quicker than 1.54.2 which is at least 2 secs slower than i was doing in practice  >:(

No worries Locotus m8, want to apologise to Mo, he came out the pit lane a lap up on me, Wasnt sure whether to pass or let him through and ended up causing Rob B and Mo making contact (havent seen replay yet, so not entirely sure...) because of my hesitation under braking for T1. Kind  of summed up my race, no season in fact.... :(

Like already said, big thank to all who orginise and run the leagues etc  :thumbup2:


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: mclaessen on August 09, 2006, 08:37:56 AM +0100
I thought this just might be my worst race here, but it isn't. ::)

The driving part wasn't that bad but I outbraked myself a couple of times and the game just gave me a stop&go, 3 times that is. I got my first stop&go when I tried to avoid someone who was rejoining the track. I had enough room so it was my own stupid mistake :( Then I tried to avoid someone who braked a bit early, locking my brakes, going straight through the gravel and getting another stop&go. When I tried to serve my penalties I got another stop&go for speeding in the pitlane ??? After I served all my penalties I was in 19th place I think. Continued racing and crashed into a barrier with only 8 minutes to go, splitter was gone so I decided to give up :D

I've always thought the game wouldn't penalise you when you held your brakes and slowing down to a certain speed when cutting a corner. Seems like it still penalises you for it.

Didn't expect anything from this race so I'm surprised that I still got this far in the race :D


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Truetom on August 09, 2006, 08:39:28 AM +0100
Nice race. Don't know which I enjoyed more - being 3rd or having a non-1fps bug event.  ;D

Bested MJ in quali again, which is additional +  :P  but buggered myself in the first lap, locked (cold) brakes and tyres in a second chicane (Variante della Roggia) which made possible for him to squeeze through. Followed him for some laps but even entering a slipstream didn't help my F360 to overtake his piggie. What I gained on braking and entering the corner, exiting even, he matched in speed on the straight. He even didn't have to bother with defensive driving too much, well driven, Mark! There I must disagree, Shark, I think F360 has better stopping ability than a Porsche, this was confirmed when I followed Grinsomat later, his breaking was so long that I had to lock my brakes several times to avoid hitting him under braking - I even half spun 'cause of that once.

Anyway, after Ruskus clipped me (np, it happens in close racing  :) ) I lost a place or two and gained them after MJ and Shark had their love affair  :-* . There was a train of four cars - Grinsomat, Dan Minton, Ruskus and me - for quite some laps, changing positions several times. We were all driving up to max possibilities of the circumstances, well done. After Dans mistake and later a close duel between Grinsomat and Ruskus (which almost cost me dearly, had to brake HARD in Parabollica  :o ) I was suddenly 3rd, which I was able to hold to the end. Totaly undeserved, according to my quali time (10th).  :-\  Would be better if I had any pratice, but I didn't know if I'll even join this race 'cause of my hardware problems, decided to do it anyway and came straight to q2 session, where I tweaked my last seasons setup a bit, not tested any of the race setting and went to race "what will be, will be."  ;D

Great win, Mark@GP, well done. Seems I was really lucky in Oschersleben, to be able to keep you behind me there. Congrats!  :thumbup1:

Also, organization of the championship was superb, well done to all contributors and a big  :clap: and  :thumbup2:

TT

 


Title: Re: ...
Post by: Edza on August 09, 2006, 09:29:02 AM +0100

The start of the race was ok. A spin on the formation lap didn't harm anything as I thankfully kept it out of the wall. Back on track and I tried to make up a place on Edza into turn 1. I managed to give him a slight push but no harm done although I didn't make up a place. I did make up a few positions then as other drivers ran into trouble but something big was in store for me. I was coming into Lesmo 1 and ran a little wide. I was going quite fast and running on the outside of the track. Just then, I noticed a slow Porsche (Edza) and contact seemed inevitable. And boy Jaysus was it big! Both myself and Edza needed to pit and I felt really bad about what happened, sorry mate. It wasn't done on purpose, I just should have concentrated more and I take absolute full blame for the incident. After the pits, I let Edza pass me out, which was the least I could do. I just trundled on home then trying to not mess up anyone elses day, which I don't think I did.


No worries there Paddy, think I was recovering from a spin at the time but enjoyed having someone to race in close quarters with even after the smash. It was only after the race watching the replay that I noticed how much both our cars looked like lego with bits missing after it!  :D Got a pb in the race and think I remember being "in the zone" at one stage which probably means I went 5 laps without having a spin ;D ;D ;D

Got to finish the race in the end and enjoyed every second. It's been said before but cheers again to all the moderators and facilitators for this league, you've put a lot of smiles on a lot of faces!


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Minton on August 09, 2006, 10:06:52 AM +0100
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Sorry, hope I didn't bore you. If you're still reading this then I thank yee for your patience and hope it was of some interest to you.

Nice one Shark, havent really driven the Morgan that much so couldnt comment but what you youve said about the other cars i totally agree.   911 is defo the quickest car if you can get a good set up which takes some time ,  love driving the ferrari but find it too nervous under braking to drive for a whole race but maybe its just  case of set up.  Short and sweet couldnt be bothered to go into one.


Have to say a big thanks to all those who run the leagues Gizmo etc , you know who you are. Dont know how you find the time , im sure many hours are spent into the early hours of the morning. ;)
Love driving in these leagues , theres a good range of ability and the spirit of the racing is first class .  Made my share of mistakes over the past 7 months but suppose everyone does.   Gutted that GTR1 is nearing its end :'( as ive only just started to get set ups dialled in after a year of playing so hopefully GTR2 lives up to the hype and the great racing contiues.

Thanks


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: mo on August 09, 2006, 10:32:53 AM +0100
Grats to GTN and Claus on the championship - awesome pace at every track.

Grats also to Mark on his first win last night, definitely a driver that has got much faster in recent races, well done.

Race for me was a great challenge, trying to follow Claus and just managed it for the first half of the race (although I think Claus might have been taking it easy ;)). Then I saw an incident ahead as I entered Ascari and as I went through the smoke I saw a green and white GTN parked in the gravel - Bad luck Claus  :(

So then I found myself in the lead but a lapse of concentration on the last lap but one saw me miss my braking point into the Parabolica and, with a smashed splitter and a puncture I had to pit.
Dropped to well down the order and when I rejoined from the pits and braked for turn 1 I just slid all over the place - the pit crew didn't replace the tyres!!


.....want to apologise to Mo, he came out the pit lane a lap up on me, Wasnt sure whether to pass or let him through and ended up causing Rob B and Mo making contact (havent seen replay yet, so not entirely sure...) because of my hesitation under braking for T1. Kind  of summed up my race, no season in fact.... :(


It was actually having the flat tyre that made me slide all over the place and go off. Not your fault at all Flybri and I'm glad I didn't cause an accident between the three of us :o


Cheers to all the admins and drivers for the racing during the season and look forward racing again in GTR2 8)


Title: Re: ...
Post by: Paddy Cummins on August 09, 2006, 12:12:38 PM +0100


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No worries there Paddy, think I was recovering from a spin at the time but enjoyed having someone to race in close quarters with even after the smash. It was only after the race watching the replay that I noticed how much both our cars looked like lego with bits missing after it!  :D

lol, Cheers Mate!  :)


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Rob Bywater "Kerb Crawlers" on August 09, 2006, 02:23:19 PM +0100
Not the greatest race Ive had this season - I hate this track  >:( - havent worked how to drive through the 2nd chicane, after the long right hander. It scares me that much (always spin there) that I drove so slowly my Grannie could have done a quicker job in her 1.1 Fiesta!
However qualli was pleasing, equalled my PB (1.53.6), but like Flybri couldnt get anywhere near it in the race, bloody chicane! Drove most of the race alone, left the door open for Picnic early on and he didnt refuse the invite, 1 or 2 little incidents but nothing of any consequence.

Ive really enjoyed this season, done a ton of practice and its really starting to pay off with my times getting better and better - its just a shame that everyone elses times are getting better also!

Congrats to both the team and individual winners  ;D

Thanks to the rest of the Kerbies for their help this season  ;D

But most of all BIG thanks to Dave, Picnic, all the moderators, and everyone else who make this league an absolute joy to drive in - well as long as its not Monza!!  ;D  ;D

Hope this all carries over to GTR2.

Cheers

Rob


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: Jeffrey on August 09, 2006, 02:44:24 PM +0100


Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Monza NGT srpint 8-8-06.htm)


Thanks Whitham for giving me the analyzer after I lost it....again ::)


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: popabawa on August 09, 2006, 03:31:43 PM +0100
Monza is always a pretty lively affair eh? :P

I couldn't seem to quite perform my best in qualifying so ended up 15th on the grid, picked up a couple of places and was driving well within myself in 12th when an unplanned trip off the track dropped me down to 18th.

I then had a very enjoyable 20-odd minutes racing Don, then SBG and then Jan as we picked up places as the field dropped away. I couldn't quite reel Jan in but came close a couple of times, great fun battling against you though :)

Pretty pleased with 8th after the early setback :)

The standard of driving in this series has been pretty amazing, great racing against you guys.

And of course a big thanks to everyone involved for making it happen  :clap:


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: RS on August 09, 2006, 04:02:56 PM +0100
Here is the story of my race

(http://www.rs-motorsport.co.uk/externalavatar/MyLastRace.jpg)

and I'm still sulking :(


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: silver53 on August 09, 2006, 06:15:48 PM +0100
Hi all sorry if I spoilt your race but it seems that I could not see all cars and all cars could not see me. IT seem to me that it was a total disater for several drivers and seemed to be caused by me. I can only say sorry and that I was doing as much as possible to A keep the b mosler on the track and B stay out of the way. Got a speeding penalty as well. cheers gerald


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: CeeJay on August 09, 2006, 06:27:35 PM +0100
Well. I'm cursed at Monza :D
This is, I think, 4th time in a league race I got crashed out by a backmarker in Ascari complex. this time a Mosler had spun and then just turned onto the raceline, next time stay put dammit until you can get going again OFF the line.

Mo was keeping a good pace tho so wasnt really relaxing or anything but driving as fast as sanely possible  ;D

thx to the organizers for another good season, was great to be able to run with our custom cars, some nice ones in the carpack too  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: NGT Sprint - S3 R8 - Monza - 8th August
Post by: silver53 on August 09, 2006, 06:31:48 PM +0100
Its me again Antivirus was running in the back ground checking all files. I can only say sorry again if it was me in the mosler, if the incident was at about 8 mins to go I spun out due to some sort of lock up and had to hit escape. sorry if this spoilt your race. cheers gerald