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Endurance Championship - Season 3, Round 4 at Anderstorp

Date: Sunday 16th July

Practice 1: 8:00pm (20 mins)
Practice 2: 8:20pm (10 mins)
Qual 2: 8:30pm (30 mins)
Warmup: 9:00pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:02pm (80 mins)

Cars allowed: Those classed as GT or NGT, according to each driver's registered class. A list of which cars are in which class can be found here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=7). Seat Toledo, Lotus Elise, BMW Z3M and Porsche GT3 Cup are not permitted.
Weather: Will be decided just before the race based on real-world weather.
Pit Stops: All drivers must make a minimum of one pit stop. This must involve entering the pit lane at the speed limit, and coming to a complete standstill in the designated pit box. Tyres do not have to be changed and no fuel has to be added. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Endurance S3
Password: Server Password is shown in the Password Board (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?board=20.0) and is available to the relevant registered drivers.

Notes:
(1) Full-time drivers should aim to arrive during Practice 1.
(2) Reserve drivers should not connect to the server until Practice 2.
(3) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(4) See  UKGTR Season 3 Info (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=27) for general Endurance Season 3 info.
(5) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7)
(6) The season will be run using a UKGTR carpack v1.5 (http://www.ukgtr.org/downloads/SROU_Car_Pack_1.5.zip) which will need to be installed prior to racing. Details of this pack can be found here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1235.msg17247#msg17247).

Can i enter this race, although i have not raced in any previous events in this Championship?

You can, if you've not previosuly asked then Dave needs to give you access to the password. I'm sure he'll be along soon.

Are you wanting to be GT or NGT?

GT - i'll be running the Lister if this is ok?

Yep - I've added you as a reserve so you should be able to get the password from the appropriate forum.

Many thanks guys - see you on the track!

Is everyone still running GTR v1.4? i have 1.5 at present...

Yes 1.4. You can just run the 1.4 patch over your 1.5 install and then the 1.5 back over the 1.4 when you're done. Apparently it is safe to do so.

cool - thanks man 8)

Big big apologies to Rich - Watchinh my mirror for you to pass and missed my braking point and took him off.
Sorry

GGGrrrr pit crew forgot to put fuel in the car TWICE!!! then a stop go for speeding LOL, i spent so much time in the pits /i never need any fuel in the end anyway.

Conragt to the Boss and Nick.

Boring.  :yawn:
Nobody was slow enough to play with me.  ;D
Except when I got 1 fps and Don went out. Sorry, man, nothing I could do.  :(

Congrats to winners (and finishers, attrition was high, as allways in Anders).

On to next.

TT

That’s was a great race with Shark, Mark and (I still don't know who's behind in the Porsche).  ;)

I made one silly mistake that cost me dearly. I braked a bit to late for the left after the inner straight and went to the gravel.
During the second stint I was able to keep the distance to Shark in 14 seconds until I saw him coming from the gravel. I almost stayed in front but with the excitement I threw my Track IR to the floor without intention.  :'(
What a mess that was, has the image kept moving to all sides unless I kept the centre button pressed.  :(
What a nightmare that was to finish the race and to be able to stay in track for those last 7 minutes or so.
Fortunately I had an advantage big enough to end second, but I wished I would have fight Shark till the end, and we're racing with the exactly same pace.

Congrats to the winners ;)

Wehey! First ever GTR race win.

Thought my only chance would be if something happened to Rich, unlucky mate, as I knew I did not have his pace and planned just to keep my second on the grid position.

Well happy to win but a shame not more GT runners, but hell, keep this up and who knows.

Grats to Shark as well, and thanks for the setups ;)

Apologies to Minton I think it was who I gave a bit of a shock to when passing into T4. but apart from that only one spin, which was ironically on the same lap as Rich found trouble.

Time for a cool shower, I am dripping!!

Congratulations Nick on the GT win. An excellent night for Team Shark with me taking the NGT win too.

Fantastic qualifying, the top 4 in NGT seperate by a whisker. First half of the race was tight as expected with us all similarly paced. Mark managed to eek out a 3.5 second lead in the first few laps and then held that till near the pit stops. I made a very bold move on Luis into T2 when I'd got such a good run on him out of T1 that I just couldn't pass up the opportunity. I think that basically set my win up. If I'd stayed behind Luis I think things could have been different. I managed to take a tiny bit out of Mark coming up to the pit stops, but his lead was still about 3 seconds. Then he had an off and I had the NGT lead. Pops by then about 6 seconds behind I think.

Having taken on a full load of fuel for the start to save time in the pits I was hopeful of making a bit of time in the pits and I knew how to get in and out of the pits fast too so was hoping for an extension to my lead when i came out of the pits. Indeed to my suprise I was 16 seconds in the lead. I guess others made some mistakes during my in/out lap, I can't believe I made that much in the stop itself, especially considering how much fuel I had to put in given the Moslers thirsty nature?

Didn't know who was behind till I managed to glimspe about 10 laps later Luis Brance (P4) out of the side window. Luis was not really making ground on me only taking about 1 - 2 seconds off me with about 9 minutes to go. I was comfortable keeping the tyres looked after. As usual though nearing the end of these 80 minute races the track surface starts to get real slippy and the marbles are scarey.

Heart in my mouth as I slide on marbles into the braking for T2 and went backwards into the gravel. Managed to scrub off some speed on the tarmac but then just had to floor it in the gravel (pointing backwards and heading for the tyre wall) to try and slow the momentum. Thank god it worked and I scrabbled as fast as I could back towards the track. I rejoined the track with Luis absolutely glued to my bumper. What a moment. Was really exciting. Thanked my lucky stars and hoped my tyres weren't too shagged as I had kept them nice and trim in the most part of the stint. Luckily for me Luis was struggling for grip and I managed to pull away from him in the remaining few minutes as he made a few mistakes and as the clock ticked down Luis made some big mistake at the end to give me a much healthier lead than I deserved.

Great racing as usual, fair play to everyone. Cheers guys.

Well done to all the finishers. Anderstorp is incredibly difficult to not outbrake yourself at least once in 80 minutes.

Ah, that explains it. Unlucky Luis. Not sure what the outcome would have been if that hadn't happened. Was really tricky driving at the end.

Gotta apologise to Jamera for hitting you on turn 2  - really sorry, utterly bad driving on my behalf - braked too late off the racing line. I tried to avoid you but hit the grass and had already locked up. So sorry mate, hope i didn't mess up your race too much. :-[

A real stinker for me - thought i could breeze this in the Lister - had the set-up all wrong - had 1fps bug in last min. of qualifying so had to exit and re-join - nightmare...!

Anyway, congrats to the winners, and everyone who managed to keep it going to the finish - you did a whole lot better than i did!

[Content removed - Rich, you should know better by now! >:(]

well my luck just continues,in a comfotable 3rd with car going well,then i had fps probs car slowly went of line and when fps went i was balanced on kerb ,and couldnt get off  :( how lucky was that  ::)

Replay (http://www.ukgtr.org/replay/Anderstorp%20-%20Endurance%20S3%20160706.zip) and Provisional Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=153) are available

Awwww, I'm so insignificant that Luis still can't remember me even after spending 40 mins in his rear view mirror! You were looking in your mirrors Luis?  :P ;) ;D

Well done to Mark on his NGT pole, brilliant performance mate showing those aliens who's boss ;D :thumbup2:

Absolutely brilliant race, the first 40 mins were awesome with the NGT's locked together, it's a great feeling to be on the same pace at the front of the pack  :D

I was really pleased to be just a couple of seconds in 2nd place behind Shark after mark and Luis had gone off but the stupid game decided to wreck my race by putting me into the same pit box as Nick, who was already in for his stop :'( Nick was the only other car in the pits at the time too! I had to decide whether to go back out onto the track but as it's such a long way out at Anderstorp I decided to wait. I probably lost about 30s in the end :(

I thought we'd seen the last of those pit problems. Still, I'd been lucky so far so I guess them's the breaks... Pity it had to happen here though as it was my only real chance of possibly taking points from Truetom, Luis and Shark.

I was too far behind Mark in 3rd to realisistically have a chance of catching him but I charged pretty hard and took a chunk of time out but still wasn't anywhere near at the end of the race. I did, however, put in the fastest NGT lap which has never happened before (and probably won't ever again!)   :D

Well done to all the finishers, thats one tough track and well done to my teamies on a great team effort.

I made a stupid mistake by putting soft fronts on the car at the start, it felt great for 10 laps or so, then started to refuse to turn in. Had to pit early (after about 15 laps) and was alarmed to see 17 ware on the fronts. Another mistake then as I just hit return and didn't change my wheel choice! Came back out and was in two minds if I should take it easy and see if the tyres would last without another stop and try to hold position (I was over a min up at that point) or try and drive as normal and maybe pit in again. Thats when I started to make mistakes a few spins and with 16mins to go was forced to pit and from then on I just wanted to finish the race ;D

Np TT, your car was ghosting and I actually lost it after I passed you :D

Ah, that was you ;) ;D

I was unable to check out who was behind. I still went to the gravel just to try to check it, but neither then could I see you.  ;D You passed blazing on purpose just to let me stay in the dark :D



That explains it then. I wondered what the hell was going in pits as when I pitted in you were already there, I changed tyres, put gas and got back to track and you remained in pit. Truly sorry, as for sure I would probably ended 3rd if not for your pit problems, as you were very very strong in Anders

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Anderstorp Enduro.htm)

Thanks Jeff.

hi there,

Congratulations to all, at this moment i dont have ADSL at home, but i´m back ate 20/07/2006 , so i can race again in the next race, see you all there.

Got to admit that despite me hating this track i have had two great races in a row here. ::)...albeit both times i've lost a great result through one error >:(

Was well chuffed with getting NGT pole considering i still felt none too clever from the afternoon sun and drinking, and the competition present.  8) :angel:

Drove a faultless race for the first 40 minutes actually pulling out a 3-5 second lead over Luis. Then about 2 laps before i was due to make my pit stop i came across Enza's stranded GT car on that first cambered 180 degree turn..he was smoking his tyres trying to get off the kerbs and the split second that i looked at him to see whether he was rejoining the track was enough for me to leave my braking a bit late and the car went straight off with the tyres just skidding across the surface >:( :'(
Luckily i didnt seem to do too much damage as i managed to yank the car sideways just as it hit the tyre wall. Was very p*ssed off with myself though.
Watched the next 5 cars steam past...gutted. :'(
Delayed my pit-stop for lap or two trying to get some time back by quick laps with low fuel but when i pitted, i had the displeasure of watching Shark just finishing his stop so knew i was a minimum 20 seconds down.
Then chased down Luis for the remaining half of the race but not making any impression on him until he span near the end....i smelt blood and steamed after him like a man possessed, but he finished about 2 secs in front of me.

Should be happy with 3rd NGT but still a bit gutted after leading half the race, though Shark would have got me with his sneaky pit-stops no doubt, and both him and Luis seemed to find good pace right to the end, whereas i couldnt seem to get any quicker than 1:33's for the last 10 minutes of the race (prob due to aero damage from tyre wall?...or could have been the sun tan lotion/vino sweat stinging my eyes by that time. ::).

Great racing chaps !  8)

Hey, I've just noticed the NGT team championship is looking pretty close... as if we needed any more motivation to badmouth the opposition  :P :angel:

Hmm, interestingly looking at the lap chart, my pitstop was no faster than anyone else's really.

Pit stop lap time...
Shark - 2:22.
Pops - 2:59 (although he had extra 30 seconds-ish for waiting for it to become free).
Mark - 2:24
Luis - 2:18
TrueTom - 2:10

It just shows you how much extra fuel that Mosler uses that I didn't actually make any time in the pits. I think it's about 25% extra over the other cars. Despite putting in 100L to start I had to fuel it to 66L to get to the end, so an extra 30L approx put in at the stop.
(Assuming everyone else either started with 100L and didn't need to fill up at all (or hardly to put any in) or started with 40 minutes of fuel and put another 40 mins of fuel.)

Still it makes up for it in the great drive off the corners and it's race setup stability over the twitchy F360 and the oversteery 911.

Only half way through the season. Lots to play for in the drivers and team championship. Luis and I took a chunk out of TrueTom's lead in the NGT drivers championship yesterday so he hasn't waltzed off with that one yet either.

With the 2 addon tracks to come that is sure to spice things up too.

Its looking great for the rest of the season contesting wise, unfortunately i am away on holidays over the next couple of weeks and will probably miss out on all the fun  :'(

I might make next sundays race at Estoril but its a real long shot. Gutted.

Dont s'pose we can delay the rest of the season ???  ;)

ps How did Truetom manage a pit stop a whopping 14 seconds less than most ? Thats a huge advantage when everybody is racing similar lap times.
Good job he was slow out on track :P   ;D

Very good in and out of pits probably and maybe he didn't change tyres? and no fuel?

damn, you guys think of everything in your quest for glory  ;D  Not content with merely wupping us mortals on the track, you even resort to pitlane skills  ::)....guess i'll have to start practising those now  :-*

I changed tyres but had no need for extra fuel. Now you know.  :P

TT

I think you are missing something Simon. You stopped after the start line whereas everyone else was before. You need to add up the 2 laps either side to get the true picture:

Shark - 1:37 + 2:22 = 3:59
Pops - 2:59 + 1:50 = 4:49 (although he had extra 30 seconds-ish for waiting for it to become free).
Mark - 2:24 + 1:51 = 4:15
Luis - 2:18 + 1:49 = 4:07
TrueTom - 2:10 + 1:52 = 4:02

So are you going to tell them where you gained a few extra secs Simon or do they need to check the replay?  ;)
 

Sorry for my no show had unexpected family commitment.cheers gerald

Ah, yes well done Paul, as usual my maths is totally appauling.

My skill in an out of the pits of course Paul.  :P

'skill' or 'knowledge'?  :P

Track knowledge is vital as is putting in the extra effort before hand to get all the track knowledge you can.   8)

To be fair though looking at your extra figures, my in and out laps were much better than the others too and I do perform a well drilled stop. I don't waste any time starting the stop when the board comes up and I go as soon as my engine will fire back up.

I also think those figures are quite distorted as they happened to be the laps that Mark and Luis had lost time elsewhere on I believe?

hmm, have we got a bit of a 'Stewards Enquiry' going on here ??? ;) ;D......time to go check the replay i believe. :-X

It's pure jealousy from those not able to grow row upon row of razor sharp, er, pit stop skills. :P :laugh:

Hmm, yes....i guess one of those pitstop,ahem, 'skills' is somehow knowing that you can floor it once past the signboard rather than the traffic lights where i (and presume others) thought you had to wait until ? (i checked the replay)....thats got to be worth nearly 5 seconds straight away ! :detective: :whistling:

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing  :P


not taking anything away from your very fast race pace of course sharky boy  ;) :P

My foot slipped.  :-*

Shhhh! Don't tell them about the pedal-operated pit lane speed limiter! :o :laugh: :angel:

Clearly GTR is responsible for enforcing the pit lane speed limit, there is no other practical solution. The cat is now out of the bag, much like when I surprised the rest of the Division 2 NGT field at the start of season 1 by showing that you could do 60 minutes without stopping for tyres, and I expect everyone will now raise their level of preparation before an event and find out exactly where the real speed limit points are.

No way, there's been a few times where I couldn't figure out how I was leap frogged now I know - in some case I bet it's worth 15 - 20 seocnds!! So when the pit board comes up you can release limiter and go? That's rediculous, why can't Simbin do things right?? Mind you that is quite an obscure one for a beta tester to discover..

So will there be any new rules made or do we all go when the pit board appears?

I too assumed the limit was at the lights but there's some saying about assumptions and asses or something.

Fair play to Sharky for putting the effort in to find out the where the limiter can be switched off :smartass:

Related, but ever-so-sightly OT, I'd assume (there we go again...) that the game would have the same points on the track as in real world racing for the limiters to be turned on/off? Not knowing anything about these things I've no idea whether that's the case or not :)

EDIT: Either way, no need for a rule change surely, the game manages the stop-and-go penalties as Dave said.

Actually that's not true Rich. Most of the time it's cause people are faster on in and out laps and/or take on less fuel and/or don't hang around on the pit board and/or don't hang around on the go-go-go bit and practice the pit lane in and out track sections to drive it as fast as possible. Taking on less fuel is the biggest saver, and if like TrueTom you manage to not take on any fuel at all you can save having to stop and start the engine. It's about getting the most out of your package.

You could say that because some cars are worse on fuel consumption they are at a disadvantage, but it's all in the game and part of the competition.

Anderstorp is the only one I know of that has the speed limit policing not enforced at the traffic lights. I will of course check next time an Endurance race comes round to find out if there is any give but I think it's more of an oversight in the Anderstorp track build than anything else. Although to be fair it's ridiculous having the limiter applied right to the end of the tyres as that's well past the end of the pits.

Pit board? No in the case of Anderstorp the speed limit is policed only up to a certain point in the pit lane after which you can take off the limiter. That point is not the traffic light at the end of the tyres like it is for most tracks, you'll have to find out for yourself where exactly it is. Took me ages to work out the precise place.

Don't be so quick to blame Simbin, they haven't done anything wrong. It doesn't say anywhere that pit lane speed limits are enforced at traffic lights. Personally I would prefer it to be very clearly marked line on the floor and traffic lighted, maybe it will be in GTR2.

Well in real world racing Pops, there is a white line and/or traffic light at the pitlane end with a timing beam/marshal, so they can tell who turned off the pit speed limiter early or broke the pit lane speed limit.

So hence i assumed (like an ass ;)) that the traffic light at pit end in GTR is also where the pit-speed limit ends.

I must admit that at Anderstorp i often wondered why the traffic light is placed so far around the corner of the pitlane exit, it makes sense to be where the TV crew & signboard are shown (ie where Shark dis-engaged his in the replay!) as you are way passed all the pit garages etc by then.

RichA...i dont think you can floor it as soon as the pitboard goes down, can you ? :o That would make a huge difference to time in pits.

Shark....just how did you discover such a quirk in the game?  Did you test different points along the pitlane turning off the limiter or was it by fluke? Its a bit games-manship, hope you dont mind me saying, exploiting weaknesses in the game. Not blaming you. Simbin should fix bugs like this with patches...something that seems to have eluded them ::) We want a racing sim not arcade flaws.

It's nice & easy for lazy bums like me to use the traffic lights at the end of the pit lane as a marker to turn off my pit limiter to make sure I don't get a stop & go though  :D

So... where's the point at 'real' Anderstorp where you can turn your limiter off? Anyone know? And is it the same point in the game?


Abso-diddly-lutely not! Try it and see, you'll get a stop & go.

Any where pops but you get a big fine $$$$

IF this is a bug, and not a genuine representation of Anderstorp, it's taken us (as a community) the best part of 18 months to discover it so I think you might be being a tad harsh! ;)

Its taken us all this time to discover it.........i wonder when Team shark discovered it  ;) ::) ;D

Don't forget that at some tracks there are two sets of lights - one at the limit line and one where the pit exit merges back into the circuit proper.

Way back in season 1 enduro I heard mention on the forums that the Anderstorp pit lane limit point was early, and I assumed that everyone knew.

During practice sessions there is a marshel in the pit lane with a green flag and this represents the point at which to accelerate. He's not there during the race tho AFAIK.
This is the point at which the AI push the button too.
Maybe in real life they have a different pit lane endpoint on practice days than on race days, and because of a bug gtr doesn't give a penalty during race...... I dunno ???

I'm not aware of any other track that this happens at either so probably not much to see here.

No, it's at a point in the pit lane, nothing to do with the pitboard.


I was informed by someone else about it a while ago, but didn't know exactly where the point was until I tested it on Sunday.

I worked it out by testing it offline a lot at different points in the pitlane. Takes a lap in an AI race to get back round to the pits so it's a tedious process. After a while I eventually discovered exactly where it was. The place I turned off the limter in the race was actually after the policed line as I wanted to be 100% sure not to be penalised by the game.

As I said, not sure you can actually class this is a bug as the manual does not mention where pit lane speed limits are policed. I think that it would be nice for it to do so though.

As Mo says, I don't know of any other circuit it's not the traffic lights and single white line at both ends of the pits, but I've never tried it at the others either.

If you've ever watched F1, you will see just how much time Michael Schumacher makes not only on the in/out laps but also in the pit lane road just by practicing the fastest way through the pit road (excluding speed limited zone). You can often visibily see he is going a lot quicker than other drivers up to the white line. That's how I view the pit stops, they're not just about fuel and tyres, they're about making up as much time as possible on entry/exit, selecting the tyres/fuel in the pit board as fast as humanly possible and not losing a single split second in the whole process, down to turning the engine back on and having the right revs to get out of the pit box quickly.

There have been the odd occasion where I've come in the pits behind somebody and been really held up in the pit road just because they have no idea how fast they can drive on it. Where I've had the practice time before hand I practice pit entry and exit as much as possible as it can be vital to your track position.

Being good at the execution is about practice. I don't always manage a good entry / exit and just like everyone else I have been known to overcook it and hit the barriers.

Since I dredged all this up, I'll add my 2p to the subject.

I have no problem at all with optimising your pitstop time by practicing, working out how fast you can enter and exit, perfecting your pit board handling, etc. While Simon did nothing technically wrong, where I think it becomes slightly questionable is exploiting what appears to be a loophole/anomoly/inconsistency (delete as you see fit) in the track implementation, because it sort of encourages the attitude of searching for such loopholes. I think this is different to practising because it would never happen in real racing - there is always a clear line to show you where to accelerate. We stop people exploiting the rather loose track cutting code, and I can see parallels in the anders pit lane issue.

Maybe this is an isolated case, in which case there is no point worrying too much about it - everyone will know from now on. If it's not then I don't think its in the league's interests to have people appear to win races because they have more time to search for anomolies. Perhaps the rules need to be more precise on what the pitlane really is - I bet we all assumed it was deliniated the lights at each end (and I expect so did Dave when the rules were drafted?).

Paul

As with the corner cutting, I always assumed that it was whatever the game permitted. We only altered this for corner cutting because it became clear that at some tracks, especially add ons, the game was not enforcing a reasonable set of conditions. Since this will be the last Endurance race at Anderstorp before GTR2 there doesn't seem a lot of point fretting about it.

If any of the add on tracks we're going to use in the remaining events (Jerez and Suzuka) have similar flaws, all it really needs is for somebody to say so, so that all competitors are on a level playing field.

Does Anderstorp in GTL suffer from the same 'flaw'?

ps...i think we need a new smiley added for 'Can of worms being opened'   ;D

No idea, but then we don't do pit stops in GTL so does it matter?

Exactly, but that isn't what happened here is it, so why would anyone do any different next time? If you read the thread up to your post, you would assume that such a discovery doesn't need to be divulged as it is gained by extra preparation.

Seems like stating the obvious to me though Paul. Knowing where you can go fast or slow is found in the practice. Does one divulge being able to drive flat out in 6th round Turn 7 of Track A when no-one else is? I think not. You roll with the punches. Once people see you driving flat out in Turn 7 of Track A they will learn themselves for the next time.

Let's not clog up the already bloated rules with even more unncessary stuff.

Mark was right, this is a big can of worms we don't need to open.

It wasn't at all obvious to me - you and Dave seem to be saying different things. He says that things will be OK at other tracks because people will report anomolies, but you seem to have a different view. I'd have thought people would like to know where they stand on this now it has come up, so it just needs a clear decision on the subject. If it's 'let the game decide and all is fair in love and racing' then fine. If not then the rules need to be more precise, either about the pitlane or requiring people to report such inconsistencies.

No skin off my nose at the moment since I rarely have time for sprint races, let alone pitstops, although as someone modding incidents I prefer the rules to be as precise as possible.

It boils down to whether a discovery of what sounds like a flaw in the track modelling which allows you to get through a race faster than someone else should be shared in the spirit of sportsmanship. IMHO it should - but I'm not going to start making rules about it. If you read about such a 'flaw' in another forum you could easily assume that everyone else already knows about it and simply not mention it.


I meant "all it really needs" in the context of avoiding another heated discussion like this one. If just one person can be bothered to test it and they choose take advantage instead of announcing it, that's their choice. If someone feels strongly that nobody should gain such an advantage, they're welcome to test the tracks for themselves and post once the race is announced so that everyone knows.


We haven't done any endurance style races in the ladder yet but that doesn't mean we won't...


As I've said many times on many topics before, the only pragmatic solution is to let the game be the final arbiter unless absolutely necessary for either practical or political reasons.


As I've also said many times before, I believe that the number of rules should be kept to a pragmatic minimum, because the number of rules a driver can actually hold in their head and think about in the heat of a race is very limited. The rules currently say "Drivers shall at all times and in all sessions obey the pit lane speed limit", but that's there mostly to stop people acting like muppets in practice and qualifying sessions; we have no way to actually enforce the limit in a race anyway so the game has to be the final arbiter.

Right, that wasn't the way I interpreted your post above - sorry. What you are saying is that there is no obligation to report but you could do it if you wanted to make sure nobody else could exploit it. Fair enough.

I think knowing it will be possible to turn the pit limiter off sooner is quite different from taking a corner full speed in 6th gear. To do that you really have to work in your setup, rather then knowing you can take it flat out. You’ll need also to take the right line to be able to do it, knowing where to turn, braking, what speed you need to keep and where you can accelerate. Even with the same setup and using Hot Lap replays that won’t mean all drivers will do it the same way or with the same speed. It’s not that simple.

I do think to be best if all use the enter/exit lights/marks to set the pit limiter on and off, and thinking already in GTR2, which may have something similar to what now happens in Anderstorp.
This way everyone will race with the same expertise about track layout, which in fact as nothing to do with practice.

That being said, however, I don’t consider Simon to have unfair behaviour regarding the rpm limit off point in Anderstorp pit exit. Sure, Simon did take advantage of it and I probably was the most direct driver affected by it, but also if I didn’t threw my Track IR to the floor things might have been different, or not.

But bugs are bugs and we all must learn to race with them. Magny also as a big bug in the kerb just when entering the start/finishing straight. The kerb can force a car to a complete stop, just like if it stumbled to an invisible wall. Driver aware of that bug will take a line where they will never pass over the kerb in that point while another driver can fell into the trap. But this doesn’t mean the other drivers are exploiting any   anomaly/inconsistency in the track implementation. They are in fact avoiding it.

If the pit out lights/mark in Anderstorp is visually put much ahead from where it really is, turning the pit limit off sooner is indeed avoiding the anomaly/inconsistency rather then exploiting it.

But, to avoid any benefits regarding pit limit procedure, by those more committed with the game, my opinion is, as I said initially, to be best if all use the enter/exit lights/marks to set the pit limiter on and off.

Ok, let me just clarify the situation...

Dave is in charge of all the rules. What he says goes.

I am simply discussing the issue raised and expressing my opinion.

No is the answer. Seems you have to wait to the end of those dastardly tyres before taking off the limiter in GTL.

I have to be honest and admit that I have always taken the pit limiter off at the same point as Shark.  I discoverd it by pure accident as I always change to cockpit view asap to adjust the motec display.  What happens is the game wont let you change view until you are out of the pit limiter area, as soon as the tarmac changes at Anders you are out of the limiter zone.
To be honest guys I had always assumed that everyone did this at Anders, after all if you get it wrong you get a stop go impossed by the game.
Just my 2 pennies worth on the subject.

To be honest I didn't know about all this since I've never thought of trying it ::). I don't have a problem with people putting the pit limiter off before the lights as long as the game allows it.

And another thing. We have been racing for 3 seasons both in sprint cups as well as the Endurance championship and this was never subject to discussion. I really don't see why it should be now.

With GTR 2 coming (somewhere before christmas that is ;)) this is probably the last Endurance championship season using GTR. My opinion is that this discussion is just a waste of time. There is no way of checking it so it isn't really worth bothering :)

Always thought the lights signalled the end of the pit lane............Ask Montoya (canada 05') ???

He wasn't done for accelerating early though, he was done for going through the lights when they were red.

which were at the end of the pit lane........... :) :P