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Endurance Championship - Season 3, Round 5 at Estoril

Date: Sunday 23rd July

Practice 1: 8:00pm (20 mins)
Practice 2: 8:20pm (10 mins)
Qual 2: 8:30pm (30 mins)
Warmup: 9:00pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:02pm (80 mins)

Cars allowed: Those classed as GT or NGT, according to each driver's registered class. A list of which cars are in which class can be found here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=7). Seat Toledo, Lotus Elise, BMW Z3M and Porsche GT3 Cup are not permitted.
Weather: Will be decided just before the race based on real-world weather.
Pit Stops: All drivers must make a minimum of one pit stop. This must involve entering the pit lane at the speed limit, and coming to a complete standstill in the designated pit box. Tyres do not have to be changed and no fuel has to be added. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Endurance S3
Password: Server Password is shown in the Password Board (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?board=20.0) and is available to the relevant registered drivers.

Notes:
(1) Full-time drivers should aim to arrive during Practice 1.
(2) Reserve drivers should not connect to the server until Practice 2.
(3) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(4) See  UKGTR Season 3 Info (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=27) for general Endurance Season 3 info.
(5) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7)
(6) The season will be run using a UKGTR carpack v1.5 (http://www.ukgtr.org/downloads/SROU_Car_Pack_1.5.zip) which will need to be installed prior to racing. Details of this pack can be found here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1235.msg17247#msg17247).

Sure hope there's some more GT cars for this one and sure hope my pace is better than the recent sprint race !! Race record is 35.9 held by JM, seems doable on a shorter stint..

Agreed seems a shame with 368 members we can only manage to get 6-8 GT cars out there.

Then again as I am second in the championship there is no great need...... ;) ;)

Just to clarify as I have football between 6:30 and 8, is it ok for reserve drivers to join after qualy has started as I got home after 2nd practice last week so didn't join.

The main thing you need to be aware of is that drivers on track will NOT be able to see you until they pit in again after you have joined

Yes it's ok to join as late as you want. As Jamera says we recommend people get there before qualifying so that everybody sees everyone else on track.

If i am listed as driving in the GT class, do i need to stick with the Lister i used last week, or can i use another car? Also, i recently downloaded GTR manager - there are a few skins included with this  that i believe do not belong to anyone from this forum (correct me if im wrong) - i/e John Player Special Lister - can i assume everyone uses the GTR Managar, therefore has these skins, and i would be able to race using one??

If not would i get booted becuase "car not present on server" etc?

Sorry for all the questions - i should just sort my own skin out and have done...but GTR 2  nearly here... :o

No, I wouldn't assume it. I've been using GTR Manager since we got the first skinpack but I've never installed the skin pack you are talking about :)

I don't know if you will be able to even pick it but I wouldn't try it. You certainly would get a 'car not present' message and I can only view your car in safety car livery in the replay when reviewing incidents :D

Server is set to reject cars it does not know about so you will get kicked if you try a car not in our skin pack or one of the default cars.

Cars that can be used are any standard car from the game OR one from the UKGTR 1.5 skin pack. Nothing else.

There's some practice going on at the moment on the server if anyone wants to join in.
Usual practice password (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2929).

Thanks for the info guys 8)

I've just treid to logon but in the lobbey there are no games, people or anything..?!?!? ???

Is anyone else having problems getting into the lobby?

Must have made more than 50 laps of practice and it payed - NGT pole, though not a pb. Was feeling competitive and positively confident. At exact end of quali 2 my ATI card decided to note me of an error and decided to restart my computer. You do not cross the start line, you do not get the 200 $. Restarted, of course too late to join to race. What does a man say?

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TT

What a joke.
Just checking that my setup was right for the race, and then could not join!!
Since when did the race start with not everyone on track?
Well that probably screws any chance of winning the title, but would have liked to have screwed it myself rather than the bloody game doing it!!!
You get a minute in Nascar to join, that seemed like 20 seconds!

Ed - and that is my polite thoughts!!!! :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:

Ed2 - Actually looking at it I can only make next week and then am missing the last two as I am on holiday - so guess that is pretty much it - hope GTR2 gives more time to join the race!

Championship, ha!  >:(

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TT

Seems a tale of woe all round, did about 40 praccy laps, got the setup how i wanted it got in game no bloody sound for my car. Tried rejoining a couple of times still no joy, so i uninstalled and reinstalled the car pack went to rejoin warm up started  >:(

 
  Nice race till the refuelling, then I lost connection to the host  :(

 

Oh dear. This might be a serious problem....because I have it too :D. Both in GTR and GTL. I can "fix" it by unplugging my router and making a direct connection (with firewall). It happens in the outlap after pitting right. If you have a solution for that, other than I described, give me a yell :-*

Replay (http://www.ukgtr.org/replay/Estoril%20-%20Endurance%20S3%20230706.zip) and Provisional Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=27) are available

Nice race guys. Qualified on pole for the first time since my first endurance race in the wet (Endurance S1 round 1).

Very happy with overall pace. Managed to keep my pace up until 35 minutes to go when I decided to go one more lap. That lap was one too many as I spun in the little chicane. Right after that I spun again after a double downshift :( Decided to go one more lap to see if I should get the damage fixed and pitted. I didn't repair the aero damage because it would cost too much time. Finished 2nd, happy with it after all.

I have to mention the NGT guys as well. You guys were really courteous.

Congrats Rich_A on you well deserved win :)

I doing pretty well in that race for me. I had a run in with pops when the car snatched to the right on the bumps i got on the brakes but could not avoid him :-[. sry Pops. For the 2nd race my pit crew did a bad job and never refuel me and I ran out of petrol with half a lap to what a relief to see Picnic was behind me so he grabbed the points :)

Really gutted for you guys with crashes and discos. The start grid was very odd. The entire left side of the front half of the grid just didn't get to the grid.

You have to be quick to get to the grid, there really isn't much time to look in garage before the countdown finishes, if you miss the countdown that's it.

The rolling start was then done very oddly, the lap was a very quick pace and then there were huge gaps left under the limiter which made no sense.

In the end I had a fantastic race. I couldn't quite match my PB in qualifying and TT pipped me by the smallest of margins for pole position (nice one TT!). Race started with lots missing ahead and as we got going after T1, one of my team mates cars froze right in front of me (think it was Mav's Lambo, very unlucky, guessing it was 1 fps). Anyway had a bout 1ms to react and smacked right into his stationary ghostly car. It sent my car into a spectacular mid air launch and I came back down with a thud off the circuit. Had to let the whole field through and tag onto the back.

Again showing up the poor damage model (thankfully for me) as my car didn't feel any different and I was able to push as hard as I liked, and boy did I like! My setup was an absolute dream, me and the car were just at one and on fire on track. I passed I think 4 people on the first lap after rejoining at the back, including championship rival Luis. I was on a major mission. Some great teamwork from Whitham who let me through next very easily and then just held Luis up enough for me get away very cleanly and whoosh off into the distance.

I was chasing the 3 NGT legends boys SOOOOO hard. Eventually I got up to Don and pressurised him for a few laps until he made a mistake and I was through. The 911 is just so fast down the straights there is no chance into T1. Pops said he was running full wing, well I couldn't keep up in a straight line even with less wing!! Next was Pops & Mark. I could see they were having their own battle with Pops ahead. Seemed to be a bit of team play when Pops seemed to let Mark by on the start finish straight. Guess had seen me closing in fast behind and Pops let Mark through to push on.

Had a great battle with Pops then eventually getting the better of him with an move that even suprised me. As we came out of the 1st gear chicane I was all over Pops and cut back down the inside in 1st gear. Floored it held onto the oversteer and passed down the inside clean before the next corner. Felt great.

Then caught up Mark and again pressurised him until he made a mistake and I took the lead. Last to first, I was on to one of my best races ever. Coming up towards the pitstops and I could see we were going to get lapped soon. So not wanting to lose any time being lapped I came in just as they got to us. I knew from the big air moment on lap 2 that I would have damage but didn't want to waste time having them fix it cause the car felt great. Had to deselect that and reduce fuel by a couple of litres as I could see exactly how much I was going to need after doing some maths during the first part of the race to see the exact consumption. Still, my crew had to change the tyres and put another 25-30L in the tank. Knew that Mark would gain time in the pits with having to take on less fuel. The fuel consumption really is the achilles heel of the Mosler. It's a real killer. Came out the pits and tried to do a really fast out lap in case Mark was coming in next lap and thought we would be really close.

Was gutted to see him 6 seconds up the road when he came out of the pits, just couldn't beleive how much time the refueling took. I then lost a bit of time in the first part of the second half as I was too nice letting people through and lost quite a bit of time and then I made my 1 large mistake outbraking myself at the end of the back straight. Into the gravel and lost another 10 seconds to Mark. Think it was 16 seconds with about 20 minutes to go. Knew it wasn't all over though, he could make that sort of mistake too so I pushed as hard I could, I really did not hold back at all, I gave it absolutely everything.

As the laps ticked on I was gaining on him rapidly. Wasn't sure whether I would get there or not, just needed a little mistake from him, but he didn't oblige. I was setting such fast race laps every single lap, at the end I was doing my fastest laps of the race on worn rubber. I was just at one with my car. I got the gap down to under 2 seconds on the last lap and then made a little mistake on the final corner pushing so hard. Just wasn't quite enough.

After lap 2's big air moment a race win would have been just incredible from last, but it just wasn't meant to be. Thirsty car and most importantly very strong competitor. Big congratulations Mark, very good win.

Cheers guys for the fantastic racing, especially good battles of note with Don, Pops and Mark.

Again, really gutted for TT and Nick and everyone that had technical difficulties.

Did you remember to turn off your engine? They won't refuel without turning off your engine.

Bad luck to TT, how must it feel to get pole and then discoed :-X ?
Tough going for 80mins but what a Great track ;) Shame were are not getting a few more in for Enduro.
Grats to Mark :-* and Rich.

That was my fault :-[ Having never started from pole I totally forgot that there was a formation lap :oops: I didn't think of it until the long straight ??? I really don't know what got into me. Really foolish as I mentioned the procedure quite a few times while moderating :wetfish:

I apoligize to all for all the trouble it caused :-[

turned off the engine but i think I left it in gear. not sure if that makes a differance?

Fantastic race, very chuffed with getting my first NGT win  8) :angel:

Sorry for TT who dropped out right at race start, i'm sure he would have been another very fast guy to contend with. Gutted for you mate :'(.....but more points for me :P

There seemed to be several cars Disco-ing at race start  ??? dont know what happened with Shark and Maverick up ahead on early laps, just saw a team shark fly back at me at warp speed and saw another one flying up in the air. :o

Had superb race from start to finish after close qually battle, where i couldnt match my time i set in 2nd practise and narrowly lost out to TT and Shark, qualied in 3rd NGT.
Had good early race with my team mates after i made a mistake in turn 1 and they both steamed past me. Was enjoying seeing our colours in 1,2 & 3 places for quite a long time  8)
Eventually heard the sinister Mosler engine of shark catching at a rate of knots and had to try and resist him off but i eventually made an error again at turn 1 and he got past. But i wasnt going to let him go and stayed tenaciously on his rear for a fair few laps really ringing the grip out of the Porsche but unable to match the traction of the mosler out of the corners.
Shark then pitted and i carried on for another lap before doing like-wise, and for the first time ever, i managed to come out of the pits in front of him :P....through using the no fuel/just tyres pit-stop. (i had full race fuel from start).
The whole second half of the race felt like lap after lap at qualifying speeds as shark relentlessly chased me down despite me setting my own fastest race laps. Desperate stuff right to the finish line, i had to drive the wheels off the porker and gain a hard won victory.
Great racing, loved it.

Off on my hols now so see you guys soon , shame i'll have to miss the next races  :'(....but boy do i need a holiday !  8)

Hmm, not gears don't make any different. Engine needs to be off that's it. As long as you've selected some fuel to go in (you have to select how much you want to be in the tank when you leave, not how much you want added, something that has always been a little odd imho).

The flying/flipping ;) Shark was me (THE Shark). The replay shows my car practically bounce over the top of you Mark!
(You can see Mavericks sunken Lambo in the track that I hit as it stood stationary infront of me)
(http://www.simongymer.teamshark.org.uk/images/Shark_Gets_Big_Air_From_TV-S3-230706-Estoril.jpg)

This the view from the ground looking at my flying car...
(http://www.simongymer.teamshark.org.uk/images/Shark_Gets_Big_Air_From_Ground-S3-230706-Estoril.jpg)

Just amazed that despite the rear wing being bent I was able to do 1:41s lap after lap in the second half of the race. Crap damage model, but glad of it, as it made a great race.

Me passing Popabowa just after the 1st gear chicane...
(http://www.simongymer.teamshark.org.uk/images/Shark_Passes_Popabowa-S3-230706-Estoril.jpg)

BTW Mark, timing by hand on the replay, your pit stop took 26 seconds, compared to my 36 seconds.
Might need to invest in a faster refueling rig in the Team Shark garage.  ;) ;D

Why are there no wheels in the replay? ???

Good race.. had good few laps with MC and Fox, managed to overtake MC into T1 but then in some traffic I floored it and catapulted into the barrier. Had some front aero damage but still managed 37.0. Had couple of spins on second stint due to over ambitious driving but managed to hold on 4 seconds ahead of second.

If you get double shifts, I use KeyDelay works flawlessly ..

See bottom of my first post here https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1146.0

Thanks mate. I thought you held back a bit to prevent having to go for another lap :D

First and above all I’m terrible sorry you had such a bad luck TT. :(
It’s terrible when those things happen. Fortunately GTR2 is near and I’ll keep my fingers crossed that it will be bug free. ;)

I arrived late at home and thought I wouldn’t make it time to enter before the warm up.
Run GTR trying for a long shot to be able to join in. When I got to the server the qualifying count down showed 45 seconds. Just in time.
Joined in, ALT-TAB, TS on, ALT-TAB again there I was in last.
I never raced in Estoril in NGT before and a first time with the 360.
Just loaded the 550 setups, changed gears, a tweak in suspension and brakes, fuel and off I went starting from last in grid.

The setup was terrible. The first gear was useless and even in the corkscrew I was managing it in 2nd.
Also the rpm limiter was stuck at 8500 (I didn’t notice it in the setup and there it stayed).
When Shark passed by I knew I was not even near to be able to go with him.

Near the end I was still able to close the gap to pops and put some pressure on him trying to fight for 3rd in class. Fortunately for me he made a small mistake which just gave me opportunity to gain one position.
All in all to bad, as I managed to get 3rd in class to keep a tight fight for the championship and put some points for the team as well which still keep a hope for fighting till the end in there too.

Tomorrow is my son Alexandre 5th birthday and we’ll be throwing a party for his school friends and next Sunday we’ll have a big family party for his anniversary. I’ll more then probably will be absent for Jerez unless it ends earlier then 7pm.

Congrats for the winners Rich and Mark 

q not so good ,put race set in ready to go and when it cleared warm up it  just made a double click and i was discoed >:( im pretty certain it wasnt for time but its strange 2 off us got dq at same time,unlucky tt that was a smokin lap,congrats winners
enzo

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Estoril Enduro 23-7-06.htm)

Feel sorry for those with technical issues, I thought I was going to join you. The ADSL went down twice between me starting the server and the end of qualifying. I was not expecting it to last the race, I did but it wasn't a particularly auspicious outing.

Had several interesting game quirks again, even though there must have been 30 free garage slots I was put in the open at the far end by the traffic lights. When I did my pit stop the arrow was above a slot before the 1st garage at on the pit entrance  :-\ Just to wind me up more I got a track cutting warning on entering the pits even tho I never left the track  :o

Because of the ADSL drop out I start next to last but with Luis behind me so I expected to be last pretty quickly. I managed to avoid the carfuffal at the start with Mav's car stuck on track. But they the places I gained there were lost as Shark and another dived passed me in to T1 next time round. After that it was fairly boring. A couple of battles with Gerald were all that were left during the race.

Really impressed with the way everyone else has improved, seems I hit my peak in this game 2 seasons ago and just haven't clicked in the the way everyone else has and understood how to get quicker :-[

Suppose provisional points for me and Enzo having bad luck is out of the question ::) ;)

Sorry to Truetom and the rest of the guys who had the technical problems, really bad luck guys :(

My problems were all of my own making  >:(

I was nicely in 3rd although with Luis catching me pretty quickly when I suddenly noticed I'd somehow screwed up the fuel and was desparately trying to work out whether I'd be able to make it to the end when I made a mistake and allowed Luis to pass.

It wouldn't have mattered anyway as I had to make the pit-stop with one lap to go with just 1 litre of fuel left. In my panic I just hit 'enter' so got new tyres, 40 mins of fuel and the car repaired. What a pathetic mistake to make ::)

Anyway, I'm so happy that Mark got the win, you really deserve that mate after you've driven so well over the last couple of months O0

It's a bug in the server. They only fixed in GTL v1.1.
Soon we'll have GTR2 and not have worry about all these ISI bugs.

I'm sure we can find lots of new bugs to worry about though. :P ;D :angel:

*Wurp* *wurp* *wurp*

Look out everyone, we have a fate tempter!! GTR 2 is surely doomed now!

Gutted i am going to miss next round at the new track Jerez  :'(  The NGT championship is still wide open with anyone from the top 6 able to score good points with 3 rounds to go. Its shaped up into a great championship again with driver and team honours up for grabs. Shame i had to miss a couple of rounds of this tourney. :(

NGT Legends sitting nicely on the top of the team places  8)

I'll be cheering on Pops and Don (in my head) whilst relaxing by a sunny pool.  :-*

Seems like the worst possible result (for me) came out of the Estoril race, as now I'm 3rd!  :dots:  More so as I saw I outpaced Shark and Louis in the race pace and I dare to say I could win, despite MJ being faster than Shark. Too bad he didn't show in NGT Sprint in Estoril.  :-\

Whatever the results of the next races I must say I'm pleased with my progress in GTR and I'm also pleased with the progress of all the drivers here, good job guys!  :thumbup1:

And more, driving standard is high up, very few contacts, resulting entirely of driving motivation, all with the spice of good driving and fair behavior on track. No ignorant punting nonsense anymore from Season 1 (sorry again, Fozz!) when we hardly knew (and cared about) the position of others on track. Good to race with you all!  :fencing:

TT   

Big words little penguin.  :P :angel:

You forgot to mention that you will fall off at least twice in the Endurance race so no chance of beating Mark anyway. Besides Mark was slower than me, he just made it up in the pitstop.  :-* :-* :-* :laugh:

Big words? You were slower in NGT Sprint, remember?   :-*
And Endurance is just two stints of Sprint with the pitstop.  :P

What did you mean with "You forgot to mention that you will fall off at least twice in the Endurance race so no chance of Beating Mark anyway" ?

TT

I was easing you into a false sense of security.  ;) 8) I always hold back in races as I believe in "to finish first first you must finish".  :notworthy: I can turn on the heat when I want to, but I tend not to want or need to based on the above principal. :whistling:


I wish that were true. Concentration levels are a big factor in 80 mins especially in the current heat wave. There is also more more in the way of tactics required for endurance races. Managing tyres to do a stint effectively, including taking into account having the tyres over your opposition at the end of the race when they are most vunerable. You can't do the same pace for the entire race so it's picking and choosing the right moments to drive to the level you need to to perform to the level you want.


Friendly rivalry TT, equivalent to a poke in the ribs.  :ninja:

Ah, ok, didn't get it really.  :D  Gets to be a habit lately.  ::)

Friendly rivalry, right, I'm allways up for that.  ;D

I agree, Endurance is more than 2xSprint. We're all getting better and better in that. I expect the driving model in GTR2 will add more possibilities of this in the comming races!  :sweatdrop:

TT

This years NGT championship is really great with each of the top 3 effectively missing one race so far (my non attendance, your disco and Luis's exlusion for not knowing about the pit stops) it's so very close. Then Mark and Pops only 1 win behind the top three ready to pick up the peices if one or more of the top 3 have difficulties of whatever nature.

2 of the final 3 rounds being at new tracks could really throw things into the air, which is quite exciting for the championship. I dunno about the rest of you but I've not run any practice at Jerez because of all the other racing I'm doing at the moment, rFactor, GTL and GTR and all the car skins I've been doing behind the scenes. Have no idea what is going to be fast or not come Sunday so it could be interesting as people learn the track fully even during the race, you could see the pace pick up as the race progresses I reckon. Jerez is also not a circuit I'm familiar with unlike a lot of the addon circuits, I do have experience at most of them in one game or another (including Suzuka).

Yeah, bloody top 3, can't you have the decency to all disconnect so I can pick up a cheap win? Damn inconsiderate I call it  ;D

I wish I could say I've had 2 months of solid practice at Jerez but I haven't even downloaded the track yet and I'm taking Mrs Pops away for her birthday this weekend so don't expect much from me! (not that you do anyway ;))

You're right though Shark, it's been a great series so far. What's been really nice is seeing everyone's different levels of performance at each track, the finishing order has been quite different each time.