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Password: see above (#post_event_password)
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=761)

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Practise: 19:30 (45 mins)
Qual: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30  45 mins

Cars allowed:
F1 1975 Cars
Modpack install required:-  (if not already installed)

Download Mod (version 1.2:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/hngms2664ytb92s/20191104_F1C75_Historic_F1_by_Bazza_v1.05_v1.2.7z/file (http://www.mediafire.com/file/hngms2664ytb92s/20191104_F1C75_Historic_F1_by_Bazza_v1.05_v1.2.7z/file)

Track: Zandvoort, Dutch GP
Kunos stock track

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Live Timing: stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Weather: Mid-clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: Not required

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=0
SESSION_TRANSFER=N/a

Damage: 70%

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

PLP App - Not used in this series. Cutting will be monitored on replay and penalties issued for excessive cutting.

Here is the 'hopeful' driver list for the race:-
(To be confirmed)

1)MJ - Brabham
2)Max Veloce - Mclaren
3)Stefan (Postal) - Brabham
4)Fabri - Ferrari
5)Bob - Fittipaldi
6)FMG - Hesketh
7)Kdiesel - BRM
8)Goldtop - Parnelli
9)SirBarone - Ferrari
10) L4de - Lotus 72
11)ibnsolmyer - Surtees
12)LesN - March
13) VVA - Tyrell P34
14) Cerebral Vortex - Mclaren
15) Olius - Lotus 72
16) Syd Drake - Tyrell

I would love to run the historic version of this track but I can hardly insist all drivers fork out for a mod track so reluctantly we will use the Kunos stock version. Its still a hoot as I remember a good race here when we tested it a while back in these cars  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH4eTl65Bqs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH4eTl65Bqs)   8)  its a bit dryer for our race  ;)

Now that is a quality picture 8)

Hopefully I'll be back in white for this round ;)

I have the track. If you want I can upload the file.

I'm hoping thats not the predicted running order  ;D  i'd rather that was a Brabham giving you a hard time, it was quite close racing for a while here last time  :)

@Fabri, nice offer thanks but i would get in trouble running it here without everyone purchasing it....i expect. Though i assume as long as the server has an official purchase its up to us whether to stump up for it or 'obtain it'  :shifty:  I'd buy it anyway and sounds like 50% of the field already own it ?

we still don't appear to have the server up for this? Any chance to do so? thanks.

Just had some fun racing the AI here, they seem pretty competitive! Highly recommend it to you guys in the tight midfield pack for wheel to wheel racing practise  :)

So far I am slower than last time I raced here despite a heap more seat time since then  :-\

anyone still here? or shall i turn the lights off on the way out?  :-\  tumbleweed

punch the fire alarm, that'll get some attention  ;)



edit:  Will try and make this one, might not have loads of practice but that doesn't matter  :)

I did  a couple of offline laps against the AI too. Good fun and I believe I wasn't particularly faster as the last race there, although I should be more consistent this time around. Still I found it pretty easy to make a mistake here when your on the edge of adhesion. Should be interesting again.
Time to get a server up so we can post times..

Damn this is true that AI is impressively fast here.. I feel sooo slow in comparison.  :'(
Attacking here is really demanding, I couldn't do that 45 min.  ::)

And yes, still no practice server.

Someone wake up Pete  ;)

yes i was slower than most of the Ai too, i watched them on replays to learn some tricks. I did notice they were often faster out of the final turn onto the straight than i could manage and also a tad quicker through the final chicane and the techie section just before that. Not often i get towed by an AI car that then overtakes me down the straight!  :o

More laps and setup work needed for sure!

ps to see the laptimes from last time we raced here, search zandvoort 36 on stracker and tick the f1 cars  :) but remember the fastest times would have been done on low fuel/softs for qually.

hmm,  "zandvoort 36" - is that a modified version of the kunos track?

Maybe, I don’t know why it’s called that on stracker but I also found a track in my list called the same  ???

We only need the stock version. Not heard from Pete on here or email, is he okay? Can anyone else set it up?

I'll have a look tomorrow - I'm home from 12 to have a window fixed...

Apologies, long day at the hospital yesterday and I just crashed when I got home. It's up now.

Thanks Pete, and hope you get well soon  :)

I can tell you're zonked Pete, the server was still broken as it was pointing at normal Zandvoort but had too many grid spots and caused the track load to crash :p

Took me a while but I've figured out what needed changing. Also fixed the Hesketh skin again because everyone knows Hunts paint job is faster ;)

Hope you're feeling better today :)

so I'm still not sure, are we driving stock Kunos Zandvoort or some modified version with more pit boxes? (and if so where do I get it)

Should be the stock version as our pitiful grids don’t need 20+ pit slots  :'(

It's not that simple Mark, the driver list would then need editing or deleting - otherwise AC will crash when you load the stock track ;)

Link is here max, it lives inside the stock Zandvort folder and acts as a track variant.

https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/ac-zandvoort-36-gridslots.20517/ (https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/ac-zandvoort-36-gridslots.20517/)

Thanks Tim

will give it a whirl tonight  8)

I don't get the point  ;D If we are 12 drivers  and the track has 18 pitboxes we still can't race it ?  ??? ::)

I download the variant then.

I don’t understand either but happy to run the ‘36’ version whatever that is  :P all I know is that’s what we used last time so anyone who raced them should be okay without reinstalling the track

Empty practise server tonight  ::)

I did get a few laps in after I fitted my new QR for the wheel and fiddled with my clutch pedal, so hopefully no gearboxes on the road in T1 this time!


Still, I'm not sure what more you expect when it goes up at the last minute. The practice server should have been organised / up thursday or friday last week, then casual observers might think things here are run well and perhaps be more interested in joining in...

While I'm saying what needs to be said, race results.  Sometimes its days or weeks before they are posted, when it should be next day every time.  Now we know Pete has had his own problems getting in the way lately so I'm in no way blaming him, but you also know that, so how hard is it to either find out how to do it yourself or arrange / persuade someone else to be doing it regularly.


None of the above is meant in a nasty way,  heck, I thank you for putting in the time to organise the races and I've had a lot of fun in the last year with the ones I've done. But, if you want more regular drivers and enthusiasm on that side then perhaps a kick up jacksie to make the ship run smoother and more on time would help  ;)

Its because it was the night before the race that i might have expected some drivers practising!

whilst i take your constructive criticism on board, i barely get enough time for my own practise for these races/events when i have to test/create/post up new series and races without having to be in charge of the server. My practise consists of snatched half hours on a monday or tuesday eve. I dont even get on the race server on race night generally until there is about 10mins of practise left, or at start of qually, so not much use me being on server watch. Add to that i lost my dad a couple of weeks ago after a month of daily hospital visits, my RL distraction has been on another level... i think i am entitled some slack, as does Pete with his own health issues.

You guys just rock up and enjoy the fun offered without much help being offered back! (which is fair enough, we are all on here to have fun) but its been a relief that FMG has stepped in and helped out with the server recently. I would like to learn the server duties too but at the moment i have too much going on in RL to pick up more tasks.

As for enthusiam, i sometimes think i'm the only guy on here who wants regular good races and interesting cars and try to garner more interest through posts in the race threads but its like a ghost town too often  :(

Doh - thanks for sorting it.

Really sorry to hear Mark.

As I myself would like to organise some events/series at some point, I could be happy to learn how to manage a remote server despite my very low skills, however I wouldn't like to do big mistakes ofc.

Don't feel alone, Mark, you're not ! But I often feel a bit disappointed too by the lack of drivers/consitency in the series. But we all have our RL duties ofc.. Would be great to always have 14-16 drivers yet. Maybe we need better communication organisation to counter the spread of the classic cars enthusiasts amongst the different forum platforms though. I wouldn't be so surprised that several communities run few people events every now and then but could much better agregate the fun and share the efforts..  ::)

I'll be in the corner with my dunces hat on for that timing.


sent you a pm Mark  :)

Deepest condolences, Mark

I think the lack of drivers is simply due to a lack of general interest in this type of racing (historical races). In addition, the AC players are gradually decreasing.

We have endeavored to advertise and entice new people. Mark published the calendar on the Kunos website well in advance, Tim and me have contacted other players who are passionate about classic cars who have raced with us in other groups.
There has been some results, in fact two new pilots joined us, Maxime and VVA, both great fans of old F1s and good drivers. Other pilots did the first races, but unfortunately they left, perhaps because they were not very interested and in part perhaps also because of the small chaos of the server (delayed start, etc).

From personal experience (years of air simulation) I say that if one is interested he plays, if instead he is not interested he does not. Maybe he does an event just for education, but then he will leave.

It will be increasingly difficult to have new players, because AC is aging and its playbase is slowly decreasing.
This has happened with GPL, IL2 '46, etc, and will also happen with AC. Obviously someone will stay, but it will be difficult to have new people. In general simulators have lost users.

The problems with the server have been completely solved since Fmg is in "reserve", and therefore can intervene quickly. Besides, we all know Pete's problems. The delays of the server are not, in my opinion, a cause of lack of pilots. If one is interested, play anyway.

In any case, an average of 11-12 players is not too bad. :angel:

I agree with this. But these are aspects that interest, in first, the participants more than people who may be interested to join.

Unfortunately wont make tonight, next race for me will be early March, in the meantime have some good races.

Race server is up, please shout if something's not right

Hmm, can't find it

Ah, I don't have the stock track, why is that?

Okay, found the mod. Installing now...

FMG's connected ok, did you spot the recent change to the 36 pit version?

Found it, thanks! RTFM next time, Les  ::)

Well despite the carnage that was the most fun I had in a long while  ;D


First off apologies to Kimi for T1,  totally my fault but I had nowhere to go other than sit on the brakes and hope (I should have practised on race fuel!)  :(

Seconds apology to Maxime, again T1 at the start of lap 9,  I thought you'd seen me and left room, but looking at the replay I was a bit optimistic sending it in there!



By lap 15 I was doing quite, had recovered to 5th and was catching Fabri in front quite quickly when all heck broke lose, first Mark had his off and 5th became 4th, and then on lap 16 Fabri and VVA had a touch at the last chicane and both spun, and I n00bed it straight into Fabri and bent my right front suspension, meanwhile Mark had recovered and a couple of seconds later goes flying through the very small gap between us all and retakes 2nd!

Sadly after that I had no speed as the car didn't want to turn right at all, and had to just try and bring it home in 1 piece, so the last 20 minutes were a bit less frantic and a lot more worrying as somehow in the last incident I'd got some nasty gearbox damage too and I was trying not to repeat Zolder.



Congrats to FMG on winning and Mark on a deserved 2nd place.




Now can someone please point me to a good setup shop because I'm struggling to work this car out...

What another cracking but tough event that was. Had a bit of everything!

Qually was intense, smashed my pb by 7/10ths but still got pipped by Max by a few hundredths into 3rd  :P

Race start from 4th was good but thought I was in for a long race trying to chase the top 3 but surprisingly I saw Max spin at T1 on the outside so could slot thru the inside line with my fellow Brabham chasing  :) that was handy! I then attacked Fabri in every turn knowing his car normally struggles a bit on cold tyres. About 2 or 3 laps later he oversteered off at t3 and I was 2nd  :o
I steadily pulled away from the chasing pack with my team mate in 3rd and all was good, just got my head down. But with 19mins left on the clock and a 12 second gap back to 3rd I suddenly got a full screen critical error message from my Rift telling me a battery was low in a hand controller ffs  ::) I lost all visuals and had to scramble about for the flipping controller to cancel the message.  >:(  
Thankfully the AC screen came back on with my car up against some Armco off track and with cars going past  :'(. Think I lost about 20 seconds in all.
Around two laps later when I was thinking this sim Racing can be cruel sometimes and rue-ing my lost places, I entered the chicane chasing Max only to see all 3 cars that had passed me stranded in dis-array! I made the instinctive thread between them and sped on my way not believing my luck  :o :laugh:
Back to my 2nd place! (Thanks sim-gods!)  :P
However Max soon appeared on my tail and I got no rest to the flag with him in my mirrors for different parts of the track while I seemed quicker in others.

Finished a fine 2nd place and hard earned, but deserved in my humble opinion  :) my car was a reluctant handful here and really felt I had to manhandle it like a Mansell drive  :P
Well done Tim on the win and Max for third  :thumbup1:

I'm sure you went full Obi-wan at the chicane Mark,   when I got there the gap was non-existent!



Now to quickly go O/T,  which version of Charade are we running next week, long(8km) or short(4km) ??? I'd say short as it has a better mix of slow / fast turns for overtaking...

I had the benefit of following you in and saw you coming to a halt. So it was a split second decision, the beauty of the Rift (when its not throwing up an error message!) is i could quickly look at all 3 cars and their wheels and quickly judge they were stationary/offline enough for me to risk nipping through. Also knew i could trust the drivers involved to not instantly light up their tyres and plough into me!  :P

Charade, not sure i havent looked at it for months. Was hoping to check it out tonight and decide. It really should be the 8km version as that was used up until 1989 when the new short version opened.

8km is good, was just thinking I might actually do some practice for the next races  ;D

I rarely make contacts, but yesterday I did a massacre. In 45 minutes I did 2 kills.  ::)

Many apologies to VVA. I hit him on the chicanes after a long battle.
This is only my fault. We were quite side by side, I arrived along the braking of the chicanes and touched the rear wheel of VVA. I didn't want to make a real attack, because I was far enough back (my Ferrari was slow on the straight), but I wanted to stay behind, staying on the inside curb. Unfortunately I came a little long, with a slight blockage of the wheels. I unlocked the wheels and steered, but I couldn't avoid the contact. VVA had left a lot of room, so only my fault. Sorry again.

Not happy with this mess, after a few laps, I had another contact, this time with Maxime. This was mostly a misunderstanding. He had serious tire problems, so he went slowly in the corners. At the hairpin he entered a little in sideways and wide, slowing down a lot too, so I had the inside door open. I was moving side by side in complete safety (no understeer and reduced speed), but Maxime didn't notice that I was there and closed slightly the trajectory and we touched each other. I tried to wait for him, but I saw that he was calmly returning to the track, so I started pushing again. Pardon!

My race started very badly, with a half-spin during the 3rd lap on the exit of hairpin. A brutal oversteer without warning and without even an apparent reason.
This car is TERRIBLE.
She is terrible especially at in the first laps with full fuel and cold tires, the car does not give feeling. In addition, which is not very important, I also have to load 10-15 liters more fuel than the others. I didn't like the 312T and I still don't like, in fact I hate her.  >:(

I'm sorry to have ruined the VVA's race, he is often having a lot of bad luck and is collecting results below his potential.

Congratulations to the podium and for the excellent battles.

Nice to see the results posted already  :thumbup1:


I'll see if I can find the missing manufacturer logos for it after work...

Was nice race, ive had lot of fun, many duels. Interesting and skill-demanding track with place to overtake and even for little mistakes, still some time to have rest along the lap. Great balance!
Fab i still haven't seen replay but it wasn't critical incident, at least I'm not disappointed at all, shit happens) was great fight!
Grats to fast guys at podium!

The race was fun for half a dozen laps or so while holding off spinners I managed to get past at the start, but I'm consistently 4 seconds or so off the pace, which means I'm not really racing anyone. I can never find enough time to practice unfortunately, and these cars are not easy to drive. I'm not ready to give up on this series yet, but I'm not sure how to improve at this point...

Quite an intense race. Had a good start and slotted into 4th into Tarzan. A few laps later the F312T hit the armco and I was up to 3rd, just behind my teammate. Had quite a bit of pressure from behind, that made for some good racing. I had not made a lot of effort with my setup and that showed, as i had to fight understeer. This made me overdrive the car on the exits and had a spin exiting tarzan a few laps later.
The overall pace is pretty high, so no real chance of clawing back positions. As a mater of fact I found a very quick BRM on my rear and had to take out all the Zandvoort tricks to keep in front!

Here some impressions from the race.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlhTx2RxSqU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlhTx2RxSqU)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyN31vLwYQ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyN31vLwYQ4)

missing team logos for the results list, hope they will work


Hesketh - (http://www.maxveloce.com/stuff/srouk/hesketh.gif)

Surtees - (http://www.maxveloce.com/stuff/srouk/surtees.gif)

Tyrrell - (http://www.maxveloce.com/stuff/srouk/tyrrell.gif)

March - (http://www.maxveloce.com/stuff/srouk/march.gif)

You will probably need to pm Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer to get these included in the results.

Very good defending there mate, I was much faster but I got no chance to overtake anywhere...  :thumbup2:

 8)

Nice job Max, 8) where have you been all season?!  :P

I put my bra and panties on, and then for some reason started playing iracing...


eventually I couldn't take any more of that  :censored: and had to come back to AC  ;D

Was a nice race overall because of the close fights but not good at all, performance wise : my setting/preparation was quite poor.

I did a rather bad start. Then I was chasing Stefan but couldn't find any place to try to overtake him. I love this track, but to me it's a very tough layout to overtake. At a time I braked a bit too late at T1 and had to go in the sand not to hit him. Lost 3 positions (Jari, Vva and Fab). Then got a nice pack action for a few laps behind Fabrizio, in which only the 2 front guys could swap their positions as neither Fab nor me could find any decent opportunity. Then Max joined the party, and we got our contact almost immediately (T1). No problem Max, but yes you can imagine that when your front wheels reached my rear ones, I was placed in my turn yet so that I couldn't see this going to happen.
Then it was the "passing throught the mayhem". Then Fab was closing the gap as he was faster and we got a little contact, quite the same as with Max : unfortunately when your front wheels reached my rear height I was blind about your exact position and reaccelerating yet. Sadly dices were thrown at this time, sorry, classic racing incident. Tires wear was more and more concerning, and Vva closed the gap quite quickly, we got a very little tap T3 but no consequence, then he closed again and that was tough to keep ahead as he was clearly faster.

Congrats to podium guys !

Note : My main problem during this race was the sounds : I can't hear my litle Ford engine as soon as some of the field cars are near, particularly the Brabbham, Williams, Lotus, McLaren so that I'm planning to get back to the stock mod sounds and tune up my settings.. That's a bit of a shame that those re-modded sounds give huge discrepancies in volume. :/

I decided to gamble on a low(er) down force setup for this race. I'd experimented with one early in practice and found it was yielding very good laps at the expense of safety (a fast lap requires proper Ronnie Peterson style drifts through all the fast corners :o).
Due to my lead I thought why not, as while I expected to walk away from the pack early on I knew the risk of falling off might actually result in a far worse finish position.
As it turned out the tire wear was so high that I think the pack was actually gaining on me through the final 10 minutes, which was quite interesting given my lap speed was only increasing throughout the test race we did when I ran a full downforce understeery setup.

For qualifying though the sketchy low (3/5 wing) setup knocked nearly half a second off my previous best - the only issue is I had to do very slow outlaps to ensure the tires would survive a flying lap. I think I had the rears 1psi too low however, as my best was actually a 2nd lap I decided to press on with as it had taken so much time out of the first sector. I was possibly on for a high 1:24 until I got too much power in the last corner and ended up doing a huge powerslide through it - that cost me about 0.4 of a second and didn't even look very good  :-[

Congrats to Mark and Max on the podium, and well done to all finishers.

Clermont-Ferrand next and that's going to be BUMPY in these!
High and soft guys, especially in the March ;)

Hey Lesn, may I ask you what kind of stuff you have as wheels/pedals/gearshift ? Are you sure your pedals are well calibrated ? Can't your wheel FFB be improved ?
I ask because sometimes a lot of problems sit just there.

Also, on the driving style topic, do you heel and toe ? Are you mostly a late or early braker ? Late or early apex ?

Hi there!

I use a Thrustmaster T300RS, pro pedals and the TH8 shifter. Recently I followed a guide to calibrate the wheel feedback using a look up table. Whether it makes a lot of difference I'm not sure... My main problem is that since I've moved I still don't have a good seat, so I can never seem to get comfortable braking consistently. If I can claim to have a driving style I'd say I'm mostly I'm late braking, late apex. Never really tried heel and toe.

I have myself a T500RS, changend the pro pedals for CSP v3, and a TH8. May I share with you my FFB setup ? I improved it until  lately and can now say I'm satisfied. Let me know if you're interested.
About the seat, I can understand you as I also have a precarious installation.. :/
Heel&Toeing would help in keeping enough grip while trying to get the most out of the engine braking.

Les, if you are a late braker, try reducing the brake pressure setting under 'generic' (I think - same setup tab that has brake balance) you might find you are locking up too much, so reducing that will help prevent that.

Check also tyre temps are all reaching 27 degs, that can make a lot of difference in grip levels in these cars. I tend to find the front right needs +2 pressure and front right -1. The rears are normally okay on default. A bit more camber or toe can help put some heat in the tyres too but don't over-do it.

But really it all boils down to seat-time, more laps practise you do the better you feel what the cars doing and what needs tweaking.

Cheers for all the suggestions, I would definitely be interested to try your ffb settings.

For the race at zandvoort, I did reduce the brake pressure settings and that did help. I think probably brake pedal calibration is a thing I should pay more attention to.

Also the seat I'm using is not really well enough fixed to the floor. I'll look at some way to make it more stable.

Thanks for the tip about tyre temps, I wouldn't have known what to look for there

Mark meant pressures, not temps  ;)

Don't be afraid to adjust your brake bias while you drive. Sometimes you don't need to touch it for an entire race, other times you do. I use it both to maximise braking effort and also as a turning aid to overcome my understeer. If the fronts are locking, go back. If the rears are locking or the car is just too twitchy under brakes - go forward. You need to decide if you're going to pick a happy medium and leave it or actively adjust your bias throughout every lap of the race - sometimes the latter can have massive benefits!

My personal preference is a mildly understeering car and late apex's/early throttle*. My setups are intended to let me reach 100% throttle as early in a corner as I can, this requires a fair amount of patience though as accelerating too early tends to end in Armco ;D It does give slightly better stability under braking though so mistakes aren't as critical as they could be.

*My setup for this race was neutral tending rapidly towards oversteer. Definitely faster over a short distance but much harder to drive and as I mentioned previously I don't think it was actually faster over race distance due to the tire wear.

You should be able to find it here :

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wazk3kyg3ivy0qc/wheel%20settings.rar?dl=0

Notes :
**Don't forget to back-up your own actual settings before testing those.**
I'm set to 1080°.
For these F1 '75 car, when we race, I lower overall forces to 45% in the wheel settings in order to hold the race lenght.

Hope it can help.