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Date: Thursday 27th July

Practice: 20:30 (15 mins)
Qualifying: 20:45 (20 mins)
Race: 21:05 (35 laps = ~40 mins)

Cars allowed: Ford Mustang, Ford Falcon, Alfa Romeo GTA, Lotus Cortina
Time of day: 14:00

Server: UKGTL Ladder; in the event that the lobby is unavailable, connect using Direct IP, entering games.avonrise.co.uk in the Add IP box
Password: See this post (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1665.0)

Notes:
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(4) The season will be run using a UKGTL carpack v1.1 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/downloads/UKGTL-skins-1.1.zip) which will need to be installed prior to racing.

oh god... this is gonna be messy :D

Mustangs Rule. But the chicane is likely to be the scene of some carnage.

Falcon for me here, eventhough the Alfa could be the faster one. Just love the Falcon too much. ;D Now where is that Shark paint scheme for that car??? :P

Edit: Wait a second, the Alfa has better score...choices choices choices ;D

Sorry if i'm being an idiot but where do you find the details for each cars points?

Go to the UKGTL Ladder page here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=25) and there is a scoring link (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=25&scoring=38#ch38) at the top of the results table.

Would be nice if the scoring link was on the main page of the ladder too. *hint hint*

Thanks

Eh? That is the main page? ???

I meant the main UKGTL page (as it is the main (ONLY) UKGTL championship)...
https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=13

it's too late to submit a car for this race?

Faaaaar too late.

And the wrong thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1768.0) too. :P

Been trying the mustang and the alfa. Alfa seems a bit faster 3-5 tenths on average but from what I understand of the car rankings you'd get more points for taking the faster car. Is it just me or anyone else find the Alfa faster?

I want to drive the Mustang because hopefully I can get some of Steve Mcqueens cool by association and it sounds good. If I drove the Alfa would that make me a big Tart?

If only there was a Dodge Charger around that would make me go faster in the Mustang

The Alfa is only faster here because it's an unusually short track with some very tight corners.

I aint having much luck joing anyof these events - i tried to log on but all i get is three drivers constantly re-loading, but they are listed as driving the safety car??

Edit> - my fault - some of the 1.1 car pack files were missin - what a f(&^%ng dumbass

Another race, another throttle-related disaster. Not helped by Firefox popping up an update dialog and stealing my gear change buttons.

Sorry Dave for not annoucing pit out in qualifying - i know came out into the racing line in front of you at low speed - driven like a true turkey :-\
Also to the three drivers i ended up facing head on after the chicane before start finish line...woeful performance again by me...
I should start to pay more attention to setting up my car and practicing before the event, instead of playing 5 a side  :laugh:

Not to worry - turns out I only had 85% throttle which explains why I was slower than a slower thing which has taken double slow pills and then fallen asleep.

Not sure I can be bothered with GTL anymore. We'll see.

Even with a great battle today with Johnny Dee where we swapped positions countless times and with whom I had the slightest of side by side contact with him already controlling a bucket load of oversteer, I manage to somehow knock off, very sorry mate, I just found it utterly uninspiring. Waiting for the cars to go down the straights is like watching paint dry.  :sleep1: Then with Pero coming round to lap me I brake early flash my brakes lights and go slow round the outside of the bend to let him through the stupidly crap 65 car with it's complete lack of any real grip just boringly slides off into the gravel with a pathetic whimper. I give up in disgust at how dull the 65 cars are. Maybe it's just the TC-65, but I'm just not enjoying GTL at all.

Hope you had more fun than I did.

See you in GTR.

Shark.

And i thought you were just takin' the michael, Dave :laugh:

Sorry to the Alfa's behind me Shark and ? (p7+8) for most of the race. Hope you didn't get to hacked off behind me. To much power on the straights for them to get close enough to try any realistic manouver.

utterly pissed off at that race... I was treated so harshly by one particular car that was lapping me, that really got my goat! and further more... I got pushed off onto the grass on the straight when I was side by side with someone. Utterly hopeless race, and if that standard of driving is what this league is about... then to be honest, I can't be bothered with it!

I had surprisingly good pace there tonight. Probably between the practice and the decent setup I developed for the Donnington race  I managed to knock 2.5 seconds off my previous PB. Bit of a boring race driving around on my own, just trying to match the pace of the guy behind me so he wouldn't catch up.

I think I enjoyed that. Bit of a Mickey Mouse track but fun in the Mustang.

Pity that Woody we were having a bit of a bash before that. Very sneaky pass as I was letting leader through  8)  Looked like the falcon drifted a bit wide, I was hoping you could save it  cause mr race after that was very borring  :(  4 ex PROLES at the back as well.

That was me behind you the whole race, Mooman, lol!  Sorry for the taps but that Mustang is hard to guage -- at least I got most of them right and fortunately no harm to your drive.  ;)  I was really hoping your tires would wear out and you would get JUST that little extra speed into T1 to carry your (wide!!) rear end around and let me by!!  Good driving on your part kept that from happening, of course.

Shark, I think you were on the middle gearing?  I was on short and you can see how except for the end of the straight it has an advantage over the middle gearing, plus at the end of the straight I could brake much later.  Was great swapping places, wow!  "Bucketload of oversteer" <== Bucketload of understatemen!!

That was a very hard race, too bad we blew it at the end (me into Mooman, then Shark into me).  I couldn't get around Mooman's 'Stang w/out his permission so I figured we would finish in that order.  Oh, well; next race!

     -=> J <=-

Sorry for that JDee I thought you guys must have been getting really frustrated especially when you got so close coming out of the tight bits. Then watching me sail away in my Yank Tank (God Bless America). Hopefully I won't get any daft ideas about driving cars that sound better but don't go to fast next time. I was really hanging it out in Quali to get as high a grid slot as I could as I knew it would be  near imposible to overtake me in an Alfa. Anyway I think the problem for people finding this particular race boring was just the nature of the track with the slow TC65 cars. Its always going to be a bit dull with such long straights and relatively simple corners. Brands should be much better as there is much more to the track. Blind entrys, off camber corners, tightening corners, etc. There is much more likely to be overtaking as its is a more difficult track to get right. Also the cars should be a bit more evenly matched as instead of just having two long straights you have a mixture of medium straights interspersed with various different angles and lengths of corners.

Give another track and the GTC 65 cars a go and if you still find GTL dull just leave it. I had a really good race at Magny Cours and the first half of Dijon so hopefully Brands should be better.

That had to be a missunderstanding Shark - I was leading by enough to let you have your battle with Mooman without disturbing and that is why I wanted to stay behind you in the parabolica. I didnt quite understand why you went so wide till I saw your post - kinda feel a bit guilty about that.
Otherwise I had a good race - pace was good and not too tough on the tires - still enough of rubber left at the end to do reasonably good times if necesary. LeH was keeping me honest though in the first half of the race and I had to keep it together, which is not easy at all with the crazy chicane. In the second part of the race I almost went into the tirewall in the chicane and I went wide a few times into T1, but I was able to keep it on the road.

Replay (http://ukgtl.simracing.org.uk/Monza%20Junior%20-%20GTL%20Ladder%20060727.zip) and Provisional Results (http://ukgtl.simracing.org.uk/?explode=Monza%20Junior%20-%20GTL%20Ladder%20060727.zip) are available

Good result for me after Donningtons disco, Was a bit off my usual pace in quali but managed to get 4th, was very tight in the top ten.  Had a good battle with Assiano for a couple of laps but managed to get a run into the first corner. Tried to catch LeH but the mustang was too fast in a straight line.   
Had a popup come out of nowhere about half way through and crashed me back to desktop, luckily i was on the back straight and got away with it.

Thanks to all the people who were using there mirrors when i lapped them, great driving. ;) 

Cheers

smacked me suspension on the chicane ;D but otherwise i was quite proud.... i could see p1 from my position on the grid, i believe thats a first ;D

Nice race again.

Pero once more managed to beat my quali time, when I already started to think that it might be safe. :D I tried to counter again, since I knew my PB was almost exactly his time, but couldn't make it, and so started 2nd.

I was always fearing to throw the car away, especially in the evil chicane, so I went maybe a bit too carefully at the beginning and Pero could get a gap of 2-3 seconds. I then saw when I was pushing just a little bit more that I could hold the distance, so I was still hoping to close in on him again until the end, but somwhere after the middle of the race, when the big overlapping started, 2 lappers who were fighting hard with each other, didn't let me pass for a whole lap, and when I looked at the pitboard next time, the gap was already 8 seconds. After I saw that I couldn't close it anymore, I went a bit easier to safe the 2nd position, in the end being happy to bring the car home unscratched.  ;D

oh.. it was YOU that came between us fighting on the main straight.

[Language edited to make it less inflammatory. Woodee, you should know better.]

Unofficial Lapchart

Can't conncet to FTP, so link still dead. Shark?

Woodee, you should know that we don't discuss incidents in public, we report them properly so that the moderators can review them and make properly considered reports about them. I'm not about to let these forums become a kangaroo court.

No, no problem Pero. I thought your Falcon would blast past me down the straight and when it didn't I thought I'd better let you through on the bend as I didn't want to hold you up.

To be honest although Mooman, myself and JohnnyDee were really close we were never going to be able to overtake Mooman. We were slightly faster in the Alfas but there is no way you can overtake a Falcon of relatively same speed unless the driver makes a BIIIIG mistake. It wasn't so much of a battle as we had no choice but to follow. A few times we got side by side out of corners but once you're onto the straights you're completely doomed and then nowhere near in the braking to have a chance in hell.

Sorry... but I was rather narked... and I didn't expect it from an ex-proles person.

I was actually hoping we could both slip enough ahead and be side-by-side up the straight, casually ::) leaving just not enough room for him to muscle past.  We'd only need to do that one time, muhaha!! :P

I still have sweaty memories of that Mustang in front of me, lol!

     -=> J <=-

I'm a bit disappointed sometimes in the reaction that drivers have to race results. I wonder sometimes if the comments here are posted directly after the heat of the race and therefore not a true reasoned reflection of their feelings.

A long time ago I read an article by a driver in GPL who wrote about unrealistic expectations. His point was that you can only drive to the best of YOUR ability. There can only be one winner and, by extension only, one last place.

His whole point about racing online has always stuck with me. As in real life racing, online,  you are racing other humans( and not AI) and the humans can always cock up so keep going to the end.

In my own particular case I will never, except under extraordinary circumstances, win an online race. But that doesn't stop me from racing. I take a great deal of pleasure from beating a personal best or helping my team to a better finish and gaining points.

I have seen in a number of series I have raced in drivers packing in half way thro a race because they have no chance of winning or claiming they are bored. How then will they ever win.? In real life I've never seen the perrenial backmarkers from Midland F1, Super Aguri and, most notably, Minardi bale out because they can't win.

Sometimes you have to admit to someone being better at this racing game than you are and accept it as best you can.

I like the UKGTL racing experience and believe the guys here are as good and fair at online racing as anyone. I dont like to posts thrashing drivers because of some real or imagined slight. After all we are all human and, heaven help us, we do make mistakes.

I wish I could find that article because it expresses it better than I ever will.


Thanks for listening

Oilseal

Erm, I'll take that as a complement I think.  :)

Yes indeed!!  The big error I was hoping for never materialized. ;D Even though I couldn't pass, it was great coming out onto the straight only milimeters from your bumper and getting that power tow down the line.  Very tricky.

     -=> J <=-

It not such a difficult car to drive as long as break early enough. There's not really enough power to bite you like the pantera can. Just enough to get it a bit sideways and throttle steer round if you need it.

Spot on  :thumbup2:

Although I agree with your sentiment on never giving up, something I live by when racing online, if you are not enjoying something you simply are not enjoying it. As this is about enjoyment and entertainment there is no point in carry on if you are not enjoying it.