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Date: Thursday 17th August

Practice: 20:30 (15 mins)
Qualifying: 20:45 (20 mins)
Race: 21:05 (22 laps = ~40 mins)

Cars allowed: Alfa Romeo GTA, Lotus Cortina, Mini Cooper
Time of Day Setting: 14:00

Server: UKGTL Ladder; in the event that the lobby is unavailable, connect using Direct IP, entering games.avonrise.co.uk in the Add IP box
Password: See this post (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1665.0)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7). Note in particular that we will be using the new pit lane speed limiter starting procedure.
(3) General information on the ladder can be found on the series home page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=25).
(4) The season will be run using a UKGTL carpack v1.1 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/downloads/UKGTL-skins-1.1.zip) which will need to be installed prior to racing.

I'll be on my hols for this one  :'(
Is this the final race in this series?
I have enjoyed entering the GTL Ladder thursday night events, although i aint that good compared to most of you! But still, i think its been a well organised event, with some great driving, and some great races... 8)

Why does everyone ask that? ::) :P

The ladder will never end. We just haven't scheduled individual events an infinite distance in the future...

Ah! i see...didn't know that ::)
i asked the same question before last weeks race aswell  :whistling:

oh no... battle of the little cars... maybe I will have more a chance this time!!

I didnt know that either , could get a bit boring after a few years! ;D :P

I'll be able to make this one!

I won’t be racing or any other races until the ridicules race start is changed.
When is a START LINE not a START LINE? When someone makes stupid rules that have nothing to do with real or sim racing, anywhere else.
So you have to wait for the car in front to take off his limiter! There is no end to the gap between you and the field in front, if someone wants to give his mate a good head start, at least in real and all other sim racing that ends at the START LINE.
Anyway it’s not the car in front of you it’s the car by the side of you, last race I waited till the car in front went and making sure not to pass the car at my side before the START LINE I started racing, you know the sort of thing that in every other place in the world of racing happens, so by the 1st corner I had quite a large gap to the cars in front due to the car at my side dilly dallying, then I guess just to rub in the time he made me lose, he cut inside me and hit me trying to ram me off the road before turn three!  I guess I disserved that hit because I used the START LINE to start my race.
Yeah I’ve meet them all and when rules start changing to something that would be more suitable to “professional wrestling” it’s time to get out.
Oh and by the way I finished well in front of the guy who tried to ram me off the road!

Your loss.

This rule is there for a very good reason and if you think it through logically you will see that the start line can not be the start line. The leader should not take his limiter off till he crosses the start line. Therefore the guy behind him can't see him take his limiter off until after the start line and so on down the line. This means all cars are effectively taking their limiter off some time AFTER the start line.

Onto why the rule is there....This rule was made with very good reason, to reduce the Turn 1 Lap 1 incident. By making sure the cars are spread as they go it makes the racing much safer and ultimately more enjoyable for everyone. It reduces the possibility of having bunches of cars together on lap 1, the most dangerous lap of them all. It goes to the very heart of SimRacing.org.uk because it is promoting safety first and racing second. This is why we don't have standing starts.

SimRacers should be gentlemen and sporting first and racers second. If anyone does not think they can do that then they should not race here.


If someone tried to ram you where is the incident report? You are not endearing yourself to your fellow racers by accusing a respected driver of something that all the other drivers that have raced with him for many seasons know would not be true.

People seem to have forgotten lately that if you have been involved in an incident it is very unlikely that the other driver was intentionally doing it to "crash" into you and instead of waving accusitory fingers at someone else without reviewing an incident with calm and objectiveness looking at it from both cars on the replay is a far more measured and respected response from which you will have all the facts. What another drivers car is doing from your cockpit often looks very different to what they were actually doing.

At a risk to my blood pressure I'm gonna turn up for this one, it's a shame that the driving standards of some are keeping more of the regulars away but hopefully that'll change.


Unfortunately most of the bad driving is done by people who have no desire to become 'part of the community' of UKGTR, who barely ever look at the forums and who can't be bothered to look over the replay to write a report.  It's stated in the rules that persistant bad driving will get you banned for a time, maybe that's the only way we'll get some controlled driving back in GTL ??? I get the feeling the bad drivers aren't even aware that they're getting penalised after the race :laugh: >:(

I'd say that seems a very well observed analysis Zacari. Spot on.

If Rikrecked is the same person as Rik, i guess its me your accusing of 'ramming' you ? As i was noted of a mod incident.  Maybe like others have mentioned, you should watch the replay, then you will see the reason my car hit yours was because someone braked a little late and rear ended my car into yours. ::) I didnt report the guy who tapped me as i just accepted it as a race incident in a busy pack of cars...ie nothing intentional. From what i saw it hardly ruined your race, you just went wide.
As i know from recent experience in an incident in another race, what initially looked bad from in my cockpit, looked completely different from the other guys cockpit or different camera angles...aye sharky ;) ;D

Not a great fan of the TC65 cars, but should be along for this race.

The last sentence equally applies to drivers being lapped, he has no identification of the driver behind (who knows whose in front when they are a small speck - before it's even recognisable as a car).  Therefore he does not know where or how he is going to be overtaken and trying to judge this whilst still trying to continue the race is difficult and distracting if he tries to be considerate.  I have missed braking points and gone off on a number of occasions.

Drivers overtaking should remember we're all trying to race within our capabilities and don't assume the driver in front will move out of your way once he has committed to a corner.  He has 2 choices brake early and keep to the near side allowing you to overtake prior to apex or run wide denying you the fast run in down the outside, we are not mind readers and we often misjudge closing speeds - it's not deliberate.

Bill

The start procedure we have works very well, it's not going to be changed because one person hasn't read the rules.

I've been reading the posts regarding a lower standard in GTL recently, and I'm not really able to comment on the matter, having only made 1 ladder race, and was woefully slow after taking (what turned out to be) the wrong car.  Of all the races I've taken part in I can't recall any bad driving that caused my blood to boil, although being a consistent backmarker, my view of poor driving will no doubt be different to the guys consistently lapping me!

I've caused my fair share of problems, mainly for Ruskus unfortunately, whilst lapping me, and it was always driver error on my part rather than some vindictive plan to pirouette in front of him causing a loss of position.

With all forms of racing, battling for position is occasionally going to result in one or more parties having some sort of grievance, it's just one of those things.  I for one thoroughly enjoy all the racing I've had the privilege to participate in, and would rather all grievances were kept private and directed through the relevant channels rather than airing them in public where ultimately no good will come of it.  Race format issues, as with race reports, should be PM'd to the relevant moderator imho, and if a public opinion is required (at the moderator's discretion) this can then be the next step.

I for one am looking forward to this race, and all being well I will be there in the Alfa, no doubt throwing the odd driver influenced pirouette into the mix.

I use the name tags (tab key) and the look behind key to check who is coming up behind me. I also gauge the rate at which they are catching me. If they are closing very quickly it's much more likely to be lapper.


Yes, being lapped can be very difficult, more so than normal racing someone at times. You have a very limited view of the car behind, judging the closure rate is tricky and you're never quite sure what the other driver is going to do. The bigger the difference in pace the more difficult it is. It's easy to make a mistake because you're watching the other car. Lapping drivers is also tricky, but at least you have better view of the other car.

Thanks for the tip

My thoughts exactly

As I understand it,this is a league where like-minded people gather to race each other. The people who are good enough to organise it for us have formulated a set of rules, to which they expect us to adhere.
This is a bloody well run league, whose members I have always found to be extremely pleasant, helpful and considerate. As one who is perpetually in the lower half of the results I have never felt bullied or demeaned by the faster drivers - nor plotted against to reduce my effectiveness as a racer.
Anyone who feels otherwise should perhaps consider racing elsewhere.

TC

Couldn't put it better myself Tom :)

Lapping is what I have become very much used to by now and it is very rare that the situation is problematic. Especially if it is in a situation where you have enough of a lead on the driver behind you there is time to select where to pass and how to pass. If possible I also sometimes do not lap people as soon as I can if the guys are having a battle and I have enough of a lead.
The tricky bit is when there is a car right behind you and you are in a battle for position. Than you need to get past the cars that are being lapped as quickly as possible and it is sometimes very tight or you HAVE to go for a move that is riskyer than you would want it to be.
That is why I alway flash my lights allready from a bit of a distance and than again closer up if I see that the driver has not seen me (usually you can see that when getting closer). Most of the cases work, rarely the lapped guy mistakes me for a car that is batteling him for position but usually than everything works out. Imola and the GT40 was more of a strange case - from my point of view it seemed that the lapping wasnt recognised as there was much line changing going on ->even more so than sometimes when there really is a fight for position. However I was able to get past without big problems as my car was up to the task. If I would have been in an Escort however I wouldnt be able to pass due to the fact that I would be loosing too much ground on the straights and would than be held up in the corners - so couldnt get a run again on the next straight.
We have disscused this subject many times before and that is also why there was a rule adjustement.
I am not a fan of the rolling start - I was  against it, but I have to say that when we get it right it does work very well against the T1 pileups. The problem I see really is that the people dont keep together enough on the out lap and the accelerating braking that is going on. I try every time to keep my ca 80....100km/h, but most of the times I have to really slow down on the middle of the out lap to get the field together again as I allready open a gap on the second placed guy.
Once we got on the rew limmiter everybody should close up even more (each limmiter gets turned on later than the car infront by default). Once you see the car infront move you should immidiatly go for it. IMO the race itself dosent really suffer from the lack of T1 passes. Sure beats a classic mulit car off in the first corner which do happen even with a lot of care - it is extremly easy to brake a tad to late and than carnage happens. Especially in a mixed car field where some cars are far slower off the line even though they are faster on track - happens in the best of leauges (heck - even F1...)

I also find the rolling starts a good idea. Of course normal standing starts are more exciting, but even with all professional drivers you have a big chance that it will end in a huge pile of scrap metal. So I also prefer the slightly more boring start, but therefor have a race thats longer than just to turn one.

Maybe the procedure could still be a bit tweaked tho. I personally have a problem with my tyres cooling down too much and not having a chance to keep them on temperature, since I can't accelerate and brake at the same time (throttle and brake on one axis). Braking and then spinning them doesn't work ... (see last moderator's report ;D). Maybe the pitlimiter phase could be started earlier, so people can keep a bigger distance before, because they are not fearing to miss the start anymore. The bigger distance then would allow some braking and accelerating without causing a "massive freeway pileup".

Also its sometimes hard to identify when exactly the driver ahead engages his speedlimiter, which also leads to slowing down and accelerating when you engage it to late or early. Maybe this could be solved by flashing the lights, when you enable the limiter, or having a little bit a higher pace-lap speed, so when someone engages the limiter his speed is distinctly slower.

Attempts to overtake by disengaging the limiter early, could be stopped by not allowing to overtake until turn 1.

These are just ideas that came to my mind in the last races, they are just suggestions and I don't have a problem if they are not considered. All in all I like the races in UKGTL very much, and think the rather strict rules, make a better racing overall. Also don't forget, even in Formula 1 they don't have less incidents and problems, tho you could expect there are really only the best drivers in the world. Its just a part of racing we have to deal with, and in the end I think, its actually more exciting when you know, that something unexpected can always happen.   :)

My thoughts exactly  :whistling:

Not doing exactly what real life racing series is doing and introducing "silly" rules can annoy, but if you take a step back and think.......do we really need to be racing right from the first second? ........the answer you should read here is NO
I would prefer proper rules as I think I'm capable, but, no wait BUT it has happened so many times before and will continue to happen when so many different skilled drivers sat behind PC's cockpits etc... come together to race, I for one would rather lose positions at the start from taking it easy just for a few seconds for god's sake, as long as I finish the race.
So in simple English terms, I back the rule, although I don't fully understand it yet ;D but I may just run in this race and look in the rules before hand.

Lo everyone, would it be ok for me to make my first appearence in UKGTR at this event?

With the TPG season coming to its end I need something to keep my skills (or lack of them) sharp (or at least pointy). ;D

The GTL ladder is open to anyone who is registered on this site, so I can't see a problem :)

Hi everyone,
                  I will hopefully be making an appearance on this race! I apologise for my previous appearance where I was not fully aware of the starting proceedure. I am now clued up (I read the rules!). I will be on my best behaviour :)

See you there,
                     Bully

Out of interest, what laptimes are people putting in here??  I've been consistently lapping at low 1:50s/51s, but struggle to get much more out of the car (Alfa).

Getting low 1.49s atm, but I'm pretty sure I have a low 1:48 in me.

In season 1-ish I did a 1:47.064 as pole time and a race fastest of 1:47.388.

Hmmm, thought as much, my best is 1:49.89 off the default setup .... going to have a look at tweaking the setup tomorrow night.

Just noticed ....wasn't that was Nurburgring??

Ya it was Hockenheim short and Nürburgring sprint they raced last season, they never raced this track variation.

Oops, forgot multiple german tracks :-[

Track times looked so similair so I didn't notice  ;D.

Better get on track and test for real.

Hope this helps more. I knew I race here before, but it was at Comet so look here for all the times etc:

http://comet.dark.se/race_stats.php?race=2984&season=262&class=0

Fastest qually time were 1:45's (Cortina's). Race times were fastest around the 1:46's

Maybe we should have kept our mouths shut:P

1:45's  :o ???  Shame no-one took an Alfa to compare ... might have a quick spin in a Cortina, and see if I can get a second or two off my time.....

That said, there were faster laps than I've had going in in the Abarth (can I say again  :o ???)

Maybe I should have rephrased the question and said what times are normal drivers getting :D!

1:45s are possible in the Alfa as well. I can upload my setup (made by someone else) and hotlap for the interested.

I'd certainly be interested in the setup .... although I'd settle for anything sub 1:49 at the moment.

Had a quick go the other night, managed a 1:50 in the Alfa. Should be able to go a bit quicker with some practise, but I'd be very pleased to break into the 1:48s.

Get your replay's out for the lads ;)
Got down to low 1.47's in the cortina but need some guidance to progress.

I've been practising on the GP cicuit by mistake  ::)

To say I was shocked when I saw people times is an understament. Having just done a recce lap of the National Circuit I feel a lot better.

Is the server not up for practice?

Jon and Adam....you've got mail :)

I'll probably be the only Mini driver tonight but what the heck :)

1:50.88 my best so far. Reckon I might just creep under 1:50 if the wind blows in the right direction!

Thanks, just going to give it a go now.

aahhh gzzz im lucky to hit 1.54 in the jag :-[

Luckily for you, the Jag isn't an option for this race ;D

If I hardly use GTL and can do a 1:45 (well my old pb from early races on here was a 1:45 according to my diver profile and setup  :o) then Im sure you'll be in the 44's, if not 1:43's  :o

Unless Im confusing it with the short/small track? therefore im uber slow :lol:

Lol. looking at GTLrank, my time is the 3rd time, and yours 2nd. No way I can do 43's/44's, unless I can use a bigger engine.

 :o

dannit there goes all my practice. lucky you said i never noticed that.

I thought this was a ladder event open to all cars in that class?

Couldn't even get in to race, hung up loads and then just kept loading the same 4 guys, managed to get out at the end of qualy, but had the same problem in the garage - kept loading the same 4 guys.  No sound if I made it onto track.  Really pi$$ed off as I'd done a good amount of practice and getting some semi-good times.

Hope it goes better for the rest of you.

OMG NO!!!  >:( Just at the end of the formation lap, all cars disappear, then "Connection Lost"!!  ??? AAAAAGH!!!  :'( Boo-hoo.

And what was Bully doing driving a GhostSpeed Team car??  :o ???  >:(  I noticed halfway through qualifying but didn't want to A) ruin his qualifying by forcing him to get another car and B) ruin anyone else's qualifing with disturbing chat.  Please don't drive the team cars unless you are on the team!  [But I think Team GS is flattered that you picked our wonderful paint scheme out of all the others.... ;) ]

Well, I really was looking forward to this race.  Damn techies.   :P

     -=> J <=-

I had the same thing. keeped loading the same 4 drivers

oh johnny not that excuse again...... ;)

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE RS MOTORSPORTS GUYS  ;D

WOW, wot a race ;D. Thanks Ribeiro and Moonman. Good race, Sorry to the little touch Ribiero :o, had to wait for you, was my fault. So, well happy with a 10th to 6th. :D

Cheers for the good racing. and well done Pero.

Awful Race, just don't seem to be able to get the hang of this track  ???
Had a good scrap with the Team Oldies and Woodee I believe, good fun.
Gutted I spun and went from 10th to 18th though, Still made for some good flying laps, my congrats to the winner and anyone that can do under the 47's!! :P

This is one race I definately should have listened to my better judgement and avoided. I slipped a disc last weekend, and have been on painkillers since then to avoid passing out from the pain every time it pinches a nerve or something. I had hoped those painkillers would last me at least until I needed to sleep, but that was not the case. Unfortunately this was not to be, and not only did it take me out of the race, I ended up ruining someone elses race in the process. Again my appologies for this. Anyway I think I'll avoid future races until this subsides, so I don't risk spoiling anyone elses race :(

That was great fun. I love my Mini :-*

Plenty of incident but a virtually race-long battle with Gizmo was the highlight :clap:

I managed to keep the little fella's nose in front of Dave most of the way but got cruelly pipped with about a lap to go as he got a fantastic run out of T1.

Even so, I'm well chuffed with my 12th place as the sole Mini driver against the nasty Alfas and Cortinas  :P

I was trying everything during the race including some incredibly late braking to keep the Alfa's on their toes, all pretty clean stuff too. Excellent racing guys :)

Good race for me to finish 3rd. Had a nice battle with Zacari for the first 2/3's of the race but then LeH fell back and seemed to be struggling for the speed he had in qually. Zacari and LeH battled with each other and that was just enough to keep them at bay until 2 laps to go when a back marker got between us then it was just a case of finishing. Amazing speeeeeeeed Pero and Ruskus(thought you needed a bigger engine to go to the 44's Ruskus......ok what you put in it?) Grats to Pero on a great win 8) 8) 8)

I think when it keeps loading the same drivers over and over... you might not have the updated car pack?

I had a good ding dong in midfield... hit a couple of people when I got too hot on the brakes.... in my wisdom I tried to let someone through that I turned around, but ended up letting 2 others through. Cocked up the braking for T3 I think and ended in gravel, so that ended that battle.

In my fight to catch up I ran wide at T1 and got a Sng.... i thought, oh ok i'll take that... then I ran wide on the turn before the fast right, and another sng. I stopped that lap for my sng. Then a couple of laps later I got DQ'd for missing the 2nd sng which I wasn't sure whether I needed to take. Well I do now.

Was rather hard to pass here.... especially when people drove in the middle of the track ;) I just wish I hadn't cocked up so much now, and maybe I would have seen more cars in the 2nd half of the race. Saw the battle between Dave Gymer and Pop.... that mini had some brakes on it :)

No problem bigG had a lot of fun watching you and Ribeiro have a little coming together. Thought I might be able to keep both places but you got me back Damn!! Still held my place after that. Good Rce  :)

Really enjoyable first race guys.  ;D

I may not be the fastest but it was good to see a lot more people in and around my times than I've been used to in TPG and I actually had a race for the full length of the race.

I'll be back based on that experiemce.

Not much to say about last Ladder race, unless that i qualified 8th and finished 8th :-\ (not bad, far from good tho).
Great fair batlle for 6th place with BigG and Mooman117, thanks for the fun guys ;).

Thank you all for the usual fairplay. :thumbup2:

I really enjoyed the championship and really hope i can join for more races with you guys, i hope i didn´t mess around and be fair for you too :).Was a pleasure and a honour, thanks again :clap: :yes:

Congratulations to the winner of the championship and to all also :smartass:

Cheers

Provisional results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=25) available.

There is no server replay because JOLT, the server provider, have once again cocked up and lost us the permissions we need for GTL to save Replays. Every time a Windows Update occurs we have the same problem and they are utterly useless at resolving it. We certainly won't be renewing next year with such a bunch of useless cowboys. :-\

Excellent race, had great fun.

Qualied in lowly 12th despite new PB but had good early battles with the two guys in front of me, swapping places a few times until i late braked at the chicane and they got away from me. Then fell into the clutches of the two Red/Italia Alfas and had a brilliant battle for lap after lap, even joined by a Cortina (Mad-ripp?) and the four of us had some superb interchanges with only some mild paint scraping going on, real good clean racing..i was on the edge of my seat as we often went 3-4 abreast into the braking zones :o  
Must have looked great on the replay...think other guys were T Cooper and A wood? in the red alfas, top driving fellas. Eventually i got in front of all 4 and presume a couple of them had a coming together or span behind me as i suddenly found myself alone for the first time in the race. I could see Pops and Dave G having a brilliant see-saw battle a few secs behind me and as a result i pulled out about 10 secs by race end and closed to within 6 secs at one point of Bernie up ahead of me. However we must have ran similar lap times and he kept his steady advantage finishing about 7 secs in front of my hard earned 10th overall.
Great stuff, really good fun these cars when your in a gaggle of cars but find them boring when your on your own on track.

Well done to the podium guys, superb pace as always.  8)

Interesting race.

In a short practice stint this afternoon I only got a high 45'er, so when I saw low 45'ers I thought it wasn't gonna be. But somehow I got a 1:44.8 and took pole.

The race was pretty interesting. I had LeH and Pero behind me the first quarter of the race. LeH was stronger under braking, but I was on shortest gear so I won that back in some corners.
At some point we came close to a backmarker which slowed LeH, who was infront of me at that point, down a bit, so it was me, Pero and LeH driving side by side heading towards T1, with me in the middle  :surrender:.

After LeH spun, I had Pero behind me and he was gaining every lap, so I was in for a tough one. And I kinda spiled it myself by going wide after outbraking myself and he took 1st and stayed there. I couldn't come close enough to try something.

P.S Ssssst Jon, I pm'ed you about that extra engine so it wouldn't go public ;)

REPLAY (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IJJYBDCB)

Mate this is a ladder, not a champ, it just kepps going on and on....

So see you at the next race when its announced.

Me :) N Wood :P

That had to be the widest Mini ever built! :tank: :lol: For the first few laps I could see a four way scrap ahead and was gradually gaining on it. Think I passed somebody early on but it was all a bit of a blur really! :D That pack broke up and as Pops says we were at it hammer and tongs for most of the last two thirds of the race. :fencing: There were two or three places where I was faster but the Mini was just sooooo good on the brakes into the double right hairpin that pretty much eliminated the most obvious passing place. I got ahead a couple of times but was melting my tyres trying to open a gap, and twice found myself back behind again. Finally with one to go I managed a perfectly timed run out of the last two corners and through T1 and somehow held on through the last lap to get the place.

Absolute white knuckle stuff - it's great to have a race like this every now and again to remind me why I love online racing so much! :tt1: :thumbup2:

It also reminds me why I like the slower cars so much. I can cope with them! ;D :laugh:


For some reason I can't seem to get anything from MegaUpload. ???

Really a tough race - qualified in third for a change and was almost droped on the start of the race(great stuff Ruskus and LeH). Than after a few laps I started catching up and was soon behind LeH. Than battles for positions started LeH got infront of Ruskus at one point, but than lost out when we cought up a lapper. Ruskus got a bit of a lead at that point and I was having a battle with LeH and than managed to pass him in the last corner when he went wide (and spun). Than the chase after Ruskus started and it lasted some time it seemed like I wasnt going to do it, but than I started to catch up.  After some laps I was able to pass him when he went wide.  Than we started catching up some lapper(forgot the name sorry) and we cought him up into T1. It was a very strange situation as he slowed quite a lot in the corner and I wasnt able to compensate anymore so we crashed - really sorry about that. Than the car was a bit slower trough the righthanders, but was still enough to keep a good enough pace to keep infront of Ruskus.
Really happy with the result - BigG coming in sixth as well to give some extra points for the team  8)  

re-uploaded the REPLAY (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EAD82MJM)

OPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.... ::) :-\ :oops: :blink: :dots: :eek: :hang: :sleep1: :whistling: :wheelchair:.....errrrrrrrrrrrr....yep......
sorry for my English :boat:

Ah, got it this time. 8) Uploading to the usual place to use instead of a server replay.

Shh, don't tell anyone but I have a server replay  :D

Yep, I had that thought - I'm sure that I had loaded it though .....



..... yep, had downloaded it, but not reinstalled after reformatting my comp, arse.  Was really looking forward to this one. Ah well, you live an learn.

The qualify was more exciting that most races for me. I had a PB of 1:45.0, and was aiming for somthing better than a 1:45.5 in quali. I had fuel for 10 laps. My frist timed lap ended at 1:45.7 and the position indicator showed "3". Then each lap I could drive 0.1 seconds faster, and every time I crossed the finishing line, I watched if the position indicator would go down. I really got scared when it was still on "3" when I was at 1:45.2, then after the next lap it finally switched to "2". I beat Ruskus, but Pero was still ahead with a 1.45.0. I was doubting I could go any faster, but then somehow I managed a 1:44.9, a new PB for me. I was waiting for the position indicator to switch to "1", but somehow it was stuck at "2" :laugh:. Back in the garage I saw that Ruskus did an impressing 1:44.8. Still I was happy that I was a tad faster than Pero, who always finished with only a very small gap before me in the past, and I already thought I was cursed. So I started 2nd, with Ruskus before me and Pero behind.

The race started very exciting. I was fearing Pero would put pressure on me, since he usually is tad faster than me, but surprisingly I could even put pressure on Ruskus, who also is slightly faster usually. After some exciting and fair fighting, I even could overtake him at the end of the long straight. It was the first time for me that I could take the lead against Pero and Ruskus being in equal cars, just by racing.

But then still in the same lap, a backmarker - ironically driving a Ghostspeed car - caused an incident, which I will report and not talk about here in the forum.

After the incident I was 2nd and my car was damaged (heavy oversteer), which made me spin a couple of corners later. I lost connection to the leaders, Ruskus and Pero, but had some good and fair fights with Zacari. I think I overtook him 2 or 3 times, but each time I was in front, I spun out because my damaged car was so hard to handle. Zacari drove constantly without any big mistakes and so I finished 5th.

The lead in the championship now goes to Pero, who surely deserves it. Grats !

Woo! ;D I mean, er, shhhhhh :whistling: :angel: :sorcerer: :notworthy:

Good :thumbup1: but a better bit of phrasing might be:


See the difference? "caused" implies blame and the assigning of blame is a job best left to the mods. ;)

Normal style Replay (http://ukgtl.simracing.org.uk/Hockenheim%20National%20-%20Ladder%20060817.zip) zip now available. This includes server replay and session logs.

For those that have noticed the lack of practice server over the last couple of days Jolt is the reason why. Jolt preconfigure all their games servers to have a small C partition for OS and a large D partition for the games. When GTR/GTL/rF are not run with admin rights the logs are written to My Documents in the C drive. Once we get our admin rights back practice will be back as before. Sorry for these issues. The reason we have a server replay is when we don't have admin rights GTL saves it's replays in the GTR replay directory not sure Shark knew that ;)

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/NTHockenheim TC65 18-8-06.htm)

Thanks Picnic. I think I do vaguely remember us finding that bit of cut and paste by Blimey! in the GTL code from the GTR code, but had completely forgotten about it.

Just one question - where the f--k did Popa get the bi-turbo Mini?

Thanks to Madd-Ripp for the good clean racing - it was fun.


TC

LOL, but that we be good to race if the car existed ingame.

put some pantera tyres on it... raise the wheel arches... and put a porsche engine in the boot :D

H
Heheh! Cheers Tom, tho' it didn't feel very Bi-Turbo'ish with Gizmo bearing down on me every time we found a straight line ;D
I was pushing the accelerator so hard but the damn thing just wouldn't go any faster!

I was surprised I was the only one in the Mini last night, that track suits it pretty well. Some nice tight twisty bits to brake late and go fast round :angel:

Video about this race, 41 mb, 5 minutes

Rapidshare (http://rapidshare.de/files/29849246/Hockenheim_national_TC65.wmv.html)

Megaupload (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=O4BX578K)

Google video (http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-5584800365327757715&hl=nl)

Another great Vid 8)
Great action with great driving 8)

Nice work Ruskus :)

Brightend up my day thanks Ruskus   :)

Excellent work Ruskus. Even got a few shots of my race with Ribeiro and BigG. All we need know is someone who can do Murray Walker impersonations

Did we have to make a pitstop during the race?

I wasnt 100% sure so I did just incase, not that I lost any places because of it.

No pitstop's in GTL (unless you want to!).

Pitstop's are only mandatory in GTR Endurance races.

Doh!   :o

Oh well at least I'll know for next week.

i knew I was one of them red alfa's in that movie... but don't quite know which one!! :)

Just seen the replay and I can't believe how I forgot it was my own teammate Aagramn I passed on the first flying lap when he broke much earlier and harder than I expected for the Sachskurve and I had to take avoiding action, ducking out and through, and then OSiriS a few laps later when he got into an almighty tank slapper coming out of turn 1, and the subsequent incident at the double right hairpin where I pulled out to make sure I didn't run into Popabawa only to see Phil bearing down on me on the brakes and neither of us having any scope for avoiding action. That knocked me into a big slide but lucky enough no harm done and Phil let me get away first. I wasn't annoyed even at the time 'cause there was just no track left for him to go into! :o :laugh:

I had planned on doing this race but I completley forgot about it! Damn! Anyway, hopefully next time.

 :D  Thank you, thank you, in next 3 races we have 1 at CastleCombe. :D

Please, more addon tracks, thank you ;).

I'm gagging to get a race in at the "current" Castle Combe, complete with chicanes, even if they seem far to open (especially the first one) in the recently released version.

Future track choices still to be confirmed though...

I had little choice but to let you through when I got it squirrely out of that previous corner, but hoped I had the legs on you into the hairpin. I knew I'd have to brake early, but by the time I got there, there were 2 other cars beside you all having braked early themselves, and I looked to ditch the car but there was no gap to miss anyone. I was relieved to see you kept it straight after that knock, but there was no way I was going to try take advantage of it.

That's my favorite video yet!

Really? It took me the least time to make :D.

Probably the quality of the racing. ;D

Not sure about the soundtrack though. :laugh: There are loads of Nightwish tracks you haven't used yet... :devil: :turned:

Soundtrack is tacky. Not tired of nightwish yet, I hear another fan ;D