SimRacing.org.uk

(http://)

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=992)

Practice: 19:45 BST (30 mins)
Qual 2: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30 ~ 30 Mins

Cars allowed: Touring Classics + Porsche 964
Track: Twin Ring Motegi (Full Road)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry

Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption:  Normal
Pit-stops: None required

Server: Simracing.org.uk E7
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Championship Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=992&theme=4)

Example Setups:
https://phspok1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/Race/MotegiRoadCourseM1.zip (https://phspok1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/Race/MotegiRoadCourseM1.zip)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see
cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) especially the
rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) You will need to install Race Room Racing Experience from Steam, and have the Euro and American Track Packs for this series (And maybe another
non pack track occasionally)
(4) Please exercise caution when pitting as some tracks have a speed limit.

(5) Please follow the SROUK guidelines for using kerbs etc. Please keep 2 wheels on the track surface (kerbs do not count as track surface)
Excessive cutting of corners will seen as cheating and the results may be altered to reflect this.

I presume May 7th is correct, only at the top it says May 28th!  ;D

Haha I feel your pain Matt.

R3E used to be my favourite sim but as each class receives its downdate I find myself liking it less and less. The new physics guru has a racing background which makes it even harder to understand what's going on there  ::)

Only briefly tried the touring classics since the update so I'll give this one a proper go and see how I get on with it.

It is a shame we do not have an area of the website where we can upload setups, sure it would help.

Must admit I have not tried the TCs since the update, so can't comment, I did briefly try the the FJs a while ago & found them quite difficult on default setup so gave up with them. I don't think the Mercs have been updated since we last raced them, so should be OK.

PS: Matt do you have a full schedule for each series sorted yet, it would help when I put up an introductory post at the S3 forum.

OK Matt, can't promise, but I will see what I can do on the Tourers to start with.

OK Matt, I will post the Tourers & Mercs at S3 hopefully later today, I will leave the FJs at the moment.

Hmm, sorry to see some of the negative comments here, I was hoping we would all be on the same page but clearly not. The Touring Classics are all fantastic for me, and the same goes for the F Junior - I'm sorry to hear that is not the case for some (all??) of you. It almost sounds like I am in a different game, and does make me wonder whether there is some magical combination of hardware settings that I have stumbled upon which no-one else is experiencing.. I hope not, and I hope it can be improved for everyone.

No wish to state the obvious as everyone here is well experienced in sim (and some real) racing, but here are a few random thoughts which may (or may not) help:

The TCs now have (obviously) very much changed physics, including much reduced grip and longer braking distances, supposedly the better to simulate the (I think) crossplies they were shod with at the time. Reduced grip yes, but at no time does it feel exaggerated or like driving on ice to me. It feels very progressive and natural quite frankly. I do however struggle to match the fastest AI times like I used to do, but I'm not sure if that's because the new AI also need tweaking, or because I'm just not pushing enough..

The tyres used to be pre-warmed on the old physics but now they are stone cold when you first go out on track, so obviously it needs a lap (or three) to truly judge what you've got under you. I also think it's worth tuning the tyre pressures to get the best out of these crossplies, which is easy to do, takes a few minutes only, and worthwhile even for those who do not normally tinker with the setup. Easy to find how to do that, but I can do a quick guide (or link to one) if anyone wants it.

The cars seem to be fairly well matched, but the Volvo is the only one with traction control, which can be tuned in the normal way in the setup and on track. This makes it a bit easier to drive than the others imho. The Porsche 964 seems about a second slower around here for me after a very brief test, but is a MUCH easier car to drive. So it might be worth including it in the series for those that really can't get on with the Tourers. Or we change to something else and not do them at all, it's all fine with me. Same goes for the F Junior - that one just feels so right for me even straight out of the box, but happy to abandon it for something else if that's the consensus.

We could do the Group 4s instead..  :wetfish:

Concur for the 964, I did a few laps with Volvo and 964 and the 964 was 4 secs slower for me, but a nicer car
so will include it for anyone fast enough to make it work

Thanks for that (and frex’s opinion), I now have a car I can drive which is more than I could do with the two Beemers! Been winding down the degree of traction control and the last adjustment gave me 7.5 seconds faster lap - hopefully with a bit more practice and less TC I’ll get better lap times for Thursday night! :D

For me the 964 works good, and I´m a little bit quicker with it than with the M3 but the Volvo is still faster. But the Porsche is a lot easier on the brake, because of its ABS. I´m looking forward to race with you tomorrow. The link to the password is not working or is it just me?

I'll probably take the 964 too but be aware that it received a physics update today!

https://forum.sector3studios.com/index.php?threads/game-update-6th-may-2020.14999/#post-202686

LOL, well they would woudn't they  ::) Can't have it too easy to drive now can we....
I will give it a whirl later and see if a mere mortal can still drive it

1.1 gig update inclding changes to all these cars  ::)
Don't leave it to the last minute  :o

Server has been updated

Well, I really enjoyed that  ;D  Pete and I took turns to fall off and wait. Even the little Beemer leaves the Pork
on the straights, but the 964 does corners better, and naturally has better traction out of corners.
And with a bit of care, I can sort of drive it. Not tried the Tourers since this last update. will have a play tommorow.

Psuedo Formula Fords next week at Brands Indy, double header with reverse grid for race 2

Sorry I quit Pete, my last spin into the wall totalled the engine, so couldn't move anymore.

Struggled lots last night, either the car under steered in to the corner or the back end came around. Unless the car was practically stationary I failed to make the corner, added to that every so often the brakes seemed less effective than normal.

I would have abandoned the race early on if Matt and I hadn't done the fall off and wait thing. Sorry to hear that last off was terminal :( but with less than 5 mins to go, when it happened, I did 'complete' the race. In fact due to RRE's stupid insistence of a silly timer at the end of the race I was about 2 secs shy of actually completing the last lap  ::)

Sorry about the start - my steering was messed up and initially I couldn't go anywhere. One of the Porsches got trapped behind me (GT?), sorry for that. After that it was fun though. Congrats Markus and Geoff.

After two attempts to finish a race, I finally was succesful. For me the Porsche hadn`t changed too much due to the update. It is quite easy to drive but the tire temperatures (especially front left on this track) was critical.
The quali was ok for me, but the gap to Geoff was bigger than expected. I know him well and I am slightly faster in Quali while he is a lot faster in the race. So I knew, starting from the pole was nice but it was not the win of the race.
Geoff is a great starter, but the 964 has lots of traction so I could win the start. I could create a gap of a second between us, but I had to be careful with the tires. The first corner is a killer for the left front tire and I took it careful lap by lap. And lap by lap Geoff came nearer at this part of the track. I had to push hard without abusing my tires. Not an easy task if there is someone behind you that nearly makes no mistakes. The gap between us was only 2 seconds all the time. In the last quarter of the race we were lapping some of you (thanks for giving us space btw) and I guess Geoffs tires were nearly gone. So this was my first win in an RRE race. Thanks for organizing and for  nice and clean racing.

Went with the M3, didn't try any other cars, & as I hadn't driven it since the physics update spent a bit of time meddling with the setup. Eventually got it so it didn't want to swap ends so easily, but I still needed to be a little careful with the throttle. Pete, I know you don't play with setups much, but one of the best setup changes with the M3 was to greatly increase rear toe-in, I think I put it up to 1.2 degrees.

The race, well Markus has just about said it all, he got the lead at the start & with Frex having a problem I got into 2nd. Gap between Markus & I stayed around 2s all race, once Frex got into 3rd place he did start to catch me but only by a tenth or two a lap & I still had over 3s to spare at the end.

Congrats to Markus & Frex.  :clap: :clap:

I do agree that these cars, well the M3 anyway, are not as much fun to drive as they were before the update, although they are arguably more realistic. What I found particularly tricky with the M3 was the braking, seemed all too easy to lock the brakes, & turning braking power down only made them less effective without curing the lock up problem.  ???  Watching Frex in practice, he was able to brake much later in the heavier 635 than I could in the M3, surely one of the big advantages of the M3 was its nimbleness & lighter weight making it much better under braking & in the corners, even though the more powerful 635 was probably faster on the straights. On the other hand it could just be that Frex is a better driver than me.  :yes:

I wondered what had happened to you.

I spent a lot of time researching the new ffb yesterday for my humble DFGT. I made a lot of adjustments based on other's experiences and settings and finally got something that feels better right up until the moment I reach the limits of grip and then without warning around we go! Tried both bimmers and the 964 and the same thing, no feel on the limits and just guesswork going into corners. Gave the race a go but was tip toeing around and eventually gave up.

Maybe it's time for a wheel upgrade  :-\

Agree with most of the previous comments. Just had a go with the M3, and produced a setup that, for me at least, is more drivable
Had not messed with the rear toe. I tend to set it at .2 and leave it. After a few laps I was doing similar times to my best 964 times.

As I have nothing better to do at the moment, being furloughed as I am for the next 3 weeks, I will do some setups for all the cars
we are running in these three series. Not that my setups will be faster than others, but may be easier to drive.

I will post here if people want to download them. I am having particular trouble with the Junior. It needs some coast diff, but there
isn't one, so I am doing my best. The 95 merc is loverly, and the default setup is perfectly drivable, though it has all the adjustments
that you could want as well.

M3 and Pork Example Setups in the Event page.

I will include any usefull setups that people send me (one way or another) in the event pages

Or maybe the 635 just has bigger and better brakes..!

All of these cars (disregarding the 964) suffer from the front end being prone to locking up under braking. My solution was to lower the braking power a bit and push the brake balance to the rear, but also to reduce front toe-in to zero. This gives much nicer braking and didn't seem to lose anything on turn-in. I just tried the M3 and this seemed to work fairly well there as well, so maybe it can be applied to all the cars.

The other problem (except in the Volvo with it's TC) is the major (sometimes unrecoverable it seems) oversteer through the corner, and at corner exit. My solution here was to increase Differential preload (to around halfway in the 635). This is opposite to my normal setup practice - I usually like some lift-off oversteer and tend to reduce the Diff preload as much as I can get away with. Here, I went in the opposite direction, but it certainly seemed to tame the rear end a bit. Raising the preload will also allow you to push brake balance even further to the rear, so can also help further with the brake lock-ups. In the M3 I didn't need too much here though, and I didn't change rear toe at all.

All subjective of course and none of these changes may help anyone else. And even if you work on the setup, you'll still need to be gentle on the brake and throttle (just like the 934). Mash the brake pedal and you'll probably lock up and overheat your tyres whatever setup you've got under you. Brake relatively gently initially, get the car settled with the weight transferred over the front, and then brake hard is the way to go. For me anyway. Hope that helps.