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Title: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: FullMetalGasket on May 03, 2020, 06:18:50 PM +0100
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4NGr4wwH/Luccaring-V3-5.png)

Practice: 19:30 (45 mins)
Qual: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30  45 minutes + 1 lap

Cars allowed:
Ford Escort RS (Kunos Stock)
Alfa Romeo GTAm (V1.2 from Racedepartment - do NOT use the new 1.21 version! The server will be running V1.2. (https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/1970-alfa-romeo-gtam.28717/history))
*The Alfa has a requirement for the Stock Kuno's Alfa GTA from Dream Pack 1, If you don't have that pack and suffer CTD when loading the car then you need that pack. *

Skin pack: Download it here (https://www.dropbox.com/s/akda6m5605q97ok/Ford%20V%20Alfa%20skinpack.rar?dl=0) - if you extract it into your Assetto Corsa directory (xx:/.../steamapps/common/assettocorsa) it should put everything in the right place.

Track: Luccaring
Download: https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/luccaring-circuito-dei-baluardi.6544/ (https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/luccaring-circuito-dei-baluardi.6544/)


Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: mid clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: 60%
Fuel consumption: normal
Pit Stops: Mandatory stop for tires - pit window opens after 5 minutes and closes at 40 minutes

Laptimes:-
stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat)

(https://www.racedepartment.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fdirecto.it%2Fluccaring%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F04%2FLucca_street_circuit.jpg&hash=3bc31be4a2e520f97a4a715f66447968)

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=0
SESSION_TRANSFER=N/a

Damage: 70%

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

PLP App - Not used in this series. Cutting will be monitored on replay and penalties issued for excessive cutting. Pitstops will also be checked to ensure 4 tires have been changed.

Notes:
(1)PLP App - Not used in this event. Cutting will be monitored on replay and penalties issued for excessive cutting.
(2)Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules especially the rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) Door rubbing is acceptable, blatant punting is not !  Expect to receive a penalty if caught or reported.
(4) Please follow the SROUK guidelines for using kerbs etc. Please keep 2 wheels on the track surface (kerbs do not count as track surface)
Excessive cutting of corners will seen as cheating and the results may be altered to reflect this.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: IbnSolmyr on May 04, 2020, 08:00:48 PM +0100
Hey Tim,

Why not use the latest version of the mod ?  ???


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: FullMetalGasket on May 04, 2020, 08:20:47 PM +0100
Max had sound issues with it, it doesn't mention fixing anything as such, and we know the mod we ran at Croft is identical to within 10ths of a second.
It really is a car of it it isn't broke  don't change it!


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: IbnSolmyr on May 04, 2020, 08:25:56 PM +0100
Max had sound issues with it, it doesn't mention fixing anything as such, and we know the mod we ran at Croft is identical to within 10ths of a second.
It really is a car of it it isn't broke  don't change it!

I just DLed it but will wait before install it then. Do you know what issues Max was referring to ?


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: FullMetalGasket on May 04, 2020, 09:07:47 PM +0100
He didn't have any sound apparently.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: FullMetalGasket on May 14, 2020, 05:57:08 PM +0100
Practice server is now up! Mind the trees ;)
I recommend learning this one - it's a fantastic city circuit but really quite deadly if you don't know where you're going!

Pay extra attention to the kerb separating the track from the pit lane - it WILL activate your limiter if you stray over if entering the SF straight.

Above all else - Enjoy 8)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: Adam Parle on May 15, 2020, 03:08:39 PM +0100
Definitely a fun track.  As you say though ... you need to know where you're going!!

Definitely going to be testing the damage model :D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: Bob on May 15, 2020, 03:19:44 PM +0100
 ;D Just seen a 2 23 on server, pass me my coat, and hat....


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: Syd Drake on May 15, 2020, 09:03:05 PM +0100
I've done 26 laps, 2 valid :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: goldtop on May 15, 2020, 10:05:42 PM +0100
I've done 26 laps, 2 valid :)


Much the same here....I'll probably give this one a miss  :(


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: IbnSolmyr on May 16, 2020, 02:25:50 AM +0100
This track is really beautiful, very well made.. but I don't like it at all. I rarely like city tracks, but this one probably even less.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: IbnSolmyr on May 17, 2020, 03:08:23 PM +0100
Actually I hate it !  :laugh:

On a flat single screen it's sooo tough, I feel I could spend hours training and woud keep 10 seconds behind the front guys.
Any magic spell plz someone ?  ;D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: FullMetalGasket on May 17, 2020, 05:06:22 PM +0100
Set your car up for corner exits and adjust your lines to allow as much throttle as possible (full throttle preferably) out of everything short of the 1st gear chicanes.
I lowered the rear height of both cars a lot so I could just nail it through the hard acceleration right handers without lifting - the key is to keep your drift angle to the optimum - if you're counter steering more than 60 degrees (900 degree wheel) then you're drifting too much/taking too tight a line.

I also found that both cars suffer a fair amount of front locking into the first chicane so moved the brakes back and adjusted my line to keep some weight over the front inside wheel - there are actually a few corners you need to do this on, and interestingly the lines are slightly different depending on whether you're in an Alfa or a Ford..

If you can trail brake then that will give you anything up to .7 of a sec if done at the first and last chicanes and over a second through the 2 fast chicane/kink things. The left hand part of nearly every (slow) chicane needs to be taken incredibly slowly so you can hug the left side of the track ready for the exit.
While you can put your front wheels on most kerbs, you want to avoid getting the rears over any kerb - this will unbalance your car and result in a big skid and slow you. On some corners I've clipped kerbs and lost half a second in the resulting drift.

Beyond that it really is all down to practice (And I admit the Rift helps a lot too) :ninja:

My personal view after today's test session is that the Alfa's should get their own back here after a trouncing at Vallelunga - I found it the easier car to attack the course with confidence in. The Ford has potential to lap faster, but has a much higher workload here as it struggles to put it's power down as nicely.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: IbnSolmyr on May 17, 2020, 07:34:43 PM +0100
Set your car up for corner exits and adjust your lines to allow as much throttle as possible (full throttle preferably) out of everything short of the 1st gear chicanes.
I lowered the rear height of both cars a lot so I could just nail it through the hard acceleration right handers without lifting - the key is to keep your drift angle to the optimum - if you're counter steering more than 60 degrees (900 degree wheel) then you're drifting too much/taking too tight a line.

I also found that both cars suffer a fair amount of front locking into the first chicane so moved the brakes back and adjusted my line to keep some weight over the front inside wheel - there are actually a few corners you need to do this on, and interestingly the lines are slightly different depending on whether you're in an Alfa or a Ford..

If you can trail brake then that will give you anything up to .7 of a sec if done at the first and last chicanes and over a second through the 2 fast chicane/kink things. The left hand part of nearly every (slow) chicane needs to be taken incredibly slowly so you can hug the left side of the track ready for the exit.
While you can put your front wheels on most kerbs, you want to avoid getting the rears over any kerb - this will unbalance your car and result in a big skid and slow you. On some corners I've clipped kerbs and lost half a second in the resulting drift.

Beyond that it really is all down to practice (And I admit the Rift helps a lot too) :ninja:

My personal view after today's test session is that the Alfa's should get their own back here after a trouncing at Vallelunga - I found it the easier car to attack the course with confidence in. The Ford has potential to lap faster, but has a much higher workload here as it struggles to put it's power down as nicely.

Thank you very much Tim for those nice advices I all agree with, couldn't have said it better though I feel perfectly unable to actually do it..  ;D
I'm pretty sure all those walls just plot my murder.

What about the diff setting ? Low in power and in coast ?


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: FullMetalGasket on May 17, 2020, 08:36:41 PM +0100
I ran 50 acceleration in the Alfa, I've think it was 30 or 40 for coast.

Escort was easiest at 50 acceleration, but possibly a bit faster at 60. That was deffinately 30 coast. The biggest trick is the trail braking and maximising your corner exits.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: Syd Drake on May 17, 2020, 08:41:14 PM +0100
Is the server down? I can't find in the mp list.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: Darren Seal on May 17, 2020, 09:20:58 PM +0100
Is the server down? I can't find in the mp list.


This is why Syd...

I will be turning the servers off again tonight as we have the first round of the ACC series!


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: Syd Drake on May 17, 2020, 09:31:29 PM +0100
Thanks Darren.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: FullMetalGasket on May 18, 2020, 04:49:10 PM +0100
Server is now back up :)

Anyone who has had grip issues with the Alfa and doesn't use pro-tires should use it. I found the missing half second between the Escort and Alfa when I updated my copy.
Using the standard Kunos app. my tires were all low - both rears were 2psi down on where they needed to be! :o

S-tracker can be found here: https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/protyres-ini-lut-pack.18088/ (https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/protyres-ini-lut-pack.18088/)
Either navigate through the link to individual files or go nuts and install the lot (I've always just grabbed what I need)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: Fabri Fibra on May 18, 2020, 11:36:21 PM +0100
Thanks for the tips, Tim. Pro-tires is very useful. I finally downloaded it tonight and also I didn't have the correct tires pressure using AC app.
I gained something, but the rest is due to my slowness. I was also in trouble during the championship with the GTA. However, I like these cars very much and they are enjoyable to drive.

The track is very beautiful. Really well done, it seems to really be in Lucca. The circuit runs alongside the city walls, which can be clearly seen.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: FullMetalGasket on May 19, 2020, 06:10:53 AM +0100
I 'drove' the circuit in Google maps yesterday, the attention to detail is amazing!
It's no surprise the track drives so well as a result  :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: goldtop on May 20, 2020, 03:42:51 PM +0100
Spent a bit of time on this now and I'm only 7 secs off the pace  ::) so I'll give it a go.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: nocatu on May 20, 2020, 03:47:03 PM +0100
Unfortunately I won't be able to make it tonight guys, have a good one! I'll see you at the next one.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: Bob on May 20, 2020, 04:11:33 PM +0100
 ;D Well off the pace just aim to finish.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: Mark J on May 20, 2020, 05:23:12 PM +0100
Must confess I haven’t managed a single lap yet and only installed the track last night. Weather has just been too dam good to be indoors plus I’ve had two ACC events since Saturday.  Will try and get on the server earlier than I normally manage


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: KDiesel on May 20, 2020, 06:00:07 PM +0100
Just drove first laps there...person who desinged this track must have very serious mental problems.  :helpsmilie:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: FullMetalGasket on May 20, 2020, 06:46:01 PM +0100
It's real roads Kimi - look up lucca on Google maps ;)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: IbnSolmyr on May 20, 2020, 09:02:12 PM +0100
Mh.. My assumptions have been realised : that track only wanted to kill me. While being overtaken in one of those full thrttle curves I tried to stay as left as possible to avoid the contact but ended in a slight left side contact with the wall and then my car bounced like a cat on the opposite side, big crash in a house or something.. Then front left suspension was damaged so that the car was perfectly undrivable so I finnished the lap and tried to pit.

BUT : Mechanics didn't even want to have a look at my suspension (I was too bad on that track to deserve it I guess  ;D)

Could someone tell me why ? How can I make them to repair and abort only if repairs are insanely long ?


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: Bob on May 20, 2020, 09:17:39 PM +0100
 >:( Half way round first lap internet went out, hope it didnt cause any problems. Bloody BT internet been on and off for last couple of days hours of practice wasted, gutted!


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: Mark J on May 20, 2020, 09:40:06 PM +0100
what a nightmare evening! Hadnt touched the pc since this morning but had left it in sleep mode. When I re-awakened it I got a very suspicious screen pretending to be Microsoft so I rebooted the pc. Then had nothing but trouble with various devices for 20minutes. Bloody typical as I had tried to join the server at 7.30 to get some much needed practise in as I hadn't done any. >:(
Slowly got upto a semblance of speed to battle the midfield (lower numbers spoilt that too) but then in the race I just dropped back further despite setting green times lap after lap. but then about 30mins in my Rift lost all visuals again (happened a week or so ago), neither hand controller would work and the poxy 'guardian' message came up about setting your vr boundaries....total cluster f**k. So sorry if you wondered why my car was wedged into the Armco not moving, hope it wasn't in the way, I couldn't get any controls to work  :'(

Night to forget.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: Adam Parle on May 20, 2020, 10:45:18 PM +0100
That's a shame MJ.  :-\

Whilst I started the week feeling pretty good about this track, and the Alfa's chances post Vallelunga ... it didn't last!  I really enjoyed practicing, but just never had the pace to challenge for the top spot, so having qualified 3rd, I very much expected that that would be as good as it would get.

Darren did as much as he could to help me, a truly special start  ;D.  Sadly, the gap that I had by the time Darren recovered was never going to be enough, and any small slip saw that gap half.  In the end there wasn't any point fighting too hard to keep the position, and when I spanked the barrier when I tried to thread the needle, Darren was then in an unassailable position, and it really was just a question of driving to the end, it was a bit of a processional race for me ultimately - when Tim and Darren were on my tail it wasn't for long.

I just enjoyed a nice leisurely drive post pit stop, enjoying what is a fantastic looking track, but one that never delivered on the racing front.

I don't know how the Alfa will fare next week, but I do rather hope that I'll be able to put up some sort of a fight!


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: Barone on May 20, 2020, 10:47:40 PM +0100
 >:( I had a last minute problem and unfortunately I couldn't join the pack. What a pity! I was slow as fuck but I really liked the track (very good for drifting).

I should be fully ready for next week!


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: Stefan aka Postal on May 20, 2020, 10:54:15 PM +0100
Vid is a bit choppy, but it is something.. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXj2yVSdX_w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXj2yVSdX_w)

Looking forward to Sugo. Should be a fun track i quess.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: Darren Seal on May 20, 2020, 11:19:02 PM +0100
I've made it no secret that I'm terrible at standing starts, but tonight's was a horror show; 2nd to 7th inside 400 metres.  :-[ :no:  I would like to apologise to fellow Legend Gary who was stuck behind me on the grid and whose race was heavily compromised as a result.

Heading into T1 in 7th place certainly made the race more interesting.  I really enjoyed working my way through the field, but sadly Tim was 8 seconds down the road by the time I had passed Adam for 2nd.
I tried to keep Tim honest with several consecutive low 2:20s, but as he dipped into the 2:19s, I pushed a little too hard and my Escort soon became very second hand. :oops:

Well done Tim, amazing pace.  You were just too fast tonight!!

Congrats to Adam for again finishing top Alfa and unlucky Gary for narrowly missing out on 4th.

See you guys next week!!!

P.S. I just watched the video Stefan.  Sorry for the small contact.  At the time I thought you had bounced off the kerb into me, but looking at the video I should have left you more room.



Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: Fred Basset on May 20, 2020, 11:24:01 PM +0100
No worries Darren, I was aiming for 4th tonight but my mistake in the pits cost me ultimately. It was a fun race and I'm still getting to grips with AC. This track wasn't the easiest to learn but made good progress this week.

It was fun anyway with some good respectful racing.

Lovely track, would just have liked a week longer to learn it!

Thanks for the racing guys :-)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: Mark J on May 21, 2020, 09:39:33 AM +0100
I ran my malware and AV scans after the debacle and it found a bot hiding in the Lut files I had installed in last few days, so recommend you guys do same if you installed any. (Also installed pro tyres latest version so could have been part of that).


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: IbnSolmyr on May 21, 2020, 10:51:50 AM +0100
I ran my malware and AV scans after the debacle and it found a bot hiding in the Lut files I had installed in last few days, so recommend you guys do same if you installed any. (Also installed pro tyres latest version so could have been part of that).

Erk, which .lut files exactly ? :whistling:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: Mark J on May 21, 2020, 11:06:30 AM +0100
I ran my malware and AV scans after the debacle and it found a bot hiding in the Lut files I had installed in last few days, so recommend you guys do same if you installed any. (Also installed pro tyres latest version so could have been part of that).

Erk, which .lut files exactly ? :whistling:

not sure sorry as I ran the scans in tired autopilot mode late last night. I had installed several sets of Luts a day ago for various mod car packs (from Tims link) I have in my AC install. Not saying it was definitely the cause of my issues as had suffered similar with my Rift-S mid race a week ago, but something was definitely suspect with my pc last night and the fake 'windows' message I got that froze me out of my keyboard until I re-booted, and that's despite my AV always on.  :detective:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: goldtop on May 21, 2020, 11:28:32 AM +0100
Elected not to qualify and to start very cautiously at the back to avoid any potential mishaps at first complex (yep I can be as sneaky as my avatar when I need to be  :D). Soon caught up to Syd but I could see no prospect of getting past without being rude so decided on an early stop to give myself some clear track.

Unfortunately that was the last I saw of anyone (except for MJ's stranded Alfa). I eventually convinced myself that I must have discoed so tootled my way round to the end just in case, admiring the beautiful scenery along the way.

Congrats to pody  8)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: Fabri Fibra on May 21, 2020, 08:05:29 PM +0100
Very difficult race, I had to leave the car at a body-shop in Lucca for repairs.

I was in a good bagarre-group, so it was fun race.

Congratulations to the podium, an incredible pace!

PS: nice video and race, Stefan.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 16 Ford Vs Alfa - Round 2 - Luccaring - May 20
Post by: FullMetalGasket on May 23, 2020, 09:53:08 AM +0100
I ran my malware and AV scans after the debacle and it found a bot hiding in the Lut files I had installed in last few days, so recommend you guys do same if you installed any. (Also installed pro tyres latest version so could have been part of that).

I've just checked all my LUT files (2x AC installs and the archive which goes back about 5 years now) nothing here - If you haven't already done so it might be worth a full system scan with Malwarebytes or something equally competent, either a dodgy file was temporarily in the download (unlikely as it's on google drive, the individual files are small and so are scanned server side before download), or something else you have may have infected that file.

Or you're running McAffee or course and there was nothing wrong with that file to start with :D

Another thing I thought I'd mention as I seem to remember one of your crashes being due to a dead battery in the remotes - I only put batteries in my remotes when I'm actually going to use them. If they aren't on to start with then you won't get any warnings splashing up and destroying what you're doing.  :)


On to my race:
I don't know where that lap came from in qually - when I was doing my performance check of the Alfa Vs the Escort last weekend I knew the Escort had the better potential lap (it was showing a very high 2:19 but average laps were around 2:20.8 with a best of 20.5 Vs the far more consistent and easier 2:20.3 I got out of the Alfa) but to knock a further half a second out of that time blew me away 8)

Darren was kind enough to leave me plenty of racing room at the start ;) - this removed my biggest worry of getting caught in second place or having to fight for the lead on cold tires. My setup here required pressures that were so low (to handle the heat/pressure generated through excess drifting ;D ) that it takes 3 laps to get up to pressure, and car is even more Evil than normal during this phase - as can be clearly seen in lap 1 on the replay!

After I got up to pressure I was able to steadily pull away from Adam, and then crawl slightly slower away from Darren once he gained 2nd.
I chose to pit just over half race distance and found myself exiting just behind Adam's Alfa - I caught him again just as my tires were coming upto pressure so pounced on the first slight mistake he made, Adam was kind enough to yield the next corner to me (he knew I had fresh rubber and a bucket of pace at that point) rather than risking contact or a mistake.

From then on it was a very enjoyable slide to the flag, with the bonus of 2 high 19's thrown in once on lower fuel near the end :)

I'm not aware of any proper incidents from what I've seen in the replay (Not done the pitstops yet, I'm waiting on the code for 3DsimEd3 to create a pitlane cam and save myself some hassle) but don't expect you lot to be naughty anyway.

If there's interest I can upload my Alfa setup from Luccaring - It'll obviously need tweaking for Sugo and Goodwood but might help anyone struggling for pace in the Alfa. Conversely it might make you worse as well ;)