SimRacing.org.uk

Non championship fun race. ALL members welcome.

Date: Sunday 10th September

Practice 1: 8:00pm (60 mins)
Qualifying: 9:00pm (25 mins)
Warmup: 9:25pm (5 mins)
Race 1: 9:30pm (15 laps)
Race 2: Soon after Race 1 (15 laps)

Mods: PCC Germany and Great Britain; please download and install Germany (http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=PCC%202005%20Germany) and Great Britain (http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=PCC%202005%20Great%20Britian) v1.2,
plus ProtoRacer; please download (http://www.rfactorcentral.com/series_detail.cfm?ID=ProtoRacer%20Championship%20) and install Championship v1.1 and Demon v1.0
Time Of Day Setting: 14:00
Track: Watkins Glen GP; please download (http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Watkins%20Glen) Watkins Glen v1.0 (this is the same install we used for the ASRWC race a few weeks ago)
Start Type: Rolling Start (hopefully behind the pace car, to be confirmed)

Car choice: any PCC Germany or GB, ProtoRacer Proton or Demon

Server: SimRacing.org.uk Grand UK
Password: granduk

Sorry about the large number of downloads; if this combination proves popular we'd want to put together a single giant download, and probably some league-specific skins too.

We will attempt to set Race 2's grid by reversing the results of the first race, but with Protos ahead of PCCs. None of us have any experience doing it. ;)

We may also try to use some small weight penalties.

So, basically, a chance to experiment with some of the features which rFactor provides which would be very useful to us as a league.

Are these 2 types of car competitive with each other?


Actually, I've done that once in a fun race before. Editing the grid was dead easy, dunno why Armaroli have so much hassle and time doing it. Takes a fair few clicks to move people up/down the grid order but they do make a meal of everything over there.


Now that is cool!

No - at least I hope not! :D I'm hoping it will give us a taste of mixed-class stuff in rFactor.


I think the qualifying system isn't helping them. Hopefully they will change the rules before the next event to set the grid based on per-nation qualifying times and not per-driver. That also means we could make use of different drivers as qualifying or race specialists.


If only GTR2 was going to give us proper weight penalties... perhaps it may yet...

This sounds like fun, it'll be interesting to see how those features pan out.

Cool :thumbup1:. I'm starting to like rF more and more. And I'm learning how to make setups with PCC and Megane mod, so this will be fun whatever the outcome :).
A Megane cup is also very cool IMO...hint....hint ;)

I think the link of the protoracer is wrong as I get the PCC germany mod with it.

Protoracer (http://rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=ProtoRacer%20Demon)

You really ought to join the GRC. ;)

If the multiclass thing works out, with the All Cars facility in rFactor we could in theory run a proper mish mash series with power-to-weight classes, a bit like the Dutch Supercar Challenge. But I think we really are into GRC territory there and I'd rather stay focused on more specific championships.

SRou is missing two major forms of circuit racing, open wheelers and touring cars. We already know the ASRWC cars are good; I'm hoping to cover the latter with the Octavia mod in a future fun race, perhaps to tide us over until the WTCC game arrives. Or we may hate them and not bother. We'll never know unless we try. ;D


Oops :-[ I mean, well spotted, that was the deliberate mistake... ;) :angel:

Team Playboy, here I cum...euh, come. :angel:

I've put the AIW files which should enable the pace car to be used here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/downloads/WatkinsGlen-PaceCarAI.zip). Not sure whether they only need to be installed on the server or whether clients need them too. Suspect the former and not the latter.

I'll try this on the server before installing locally and you you know ;)

Nice idea, but I really wouldn't bother. We will not in a million years get enough people to drive rFactor to race mixed class. We struggle to get enough for one class.

Shark, the Fozz of rFactor. :P

I don't think we've ever tried an rFactor race on a Sunday night when attendance is usually best.

Thats my birthday. Are there any rules about drink driving??? :)

I'll give it a try. I cant be much worse than GTL.......can I?

Rolling start................oh I'm not going there LOL


Oilseal

I can confirm that these are only required on the server.

Excellent, thanks Server Bossman. ;D

Don't get caught. ;)

Are the Demon and the Proton's the same class, as they both have different engine stats?
And why is the ComptUSA Demon car more expensive than the others? Is that one better, and if so, can it be disallowed?

Just trying to clear things up. I'm sticking with team playboy, waaaay too much fun there :P

They're in the same class but have different strengths. The README from the mod I think explains the differences, and also talks about the third car which will be released at the end of the year (hopefully).

Dunno why one is more expensive, I think all Protons are the same, the Demons likewise.

Shark's my arch enemy  ;D


Yes but the Demon is the slightly faster car on any track that is slightly high speed, It's also easier to drive which should make it the clear favourite around Watkins. Has this combination actually been ran yet, the Protons and Demon's are like poo in fast banked corners (tried Daytona Road & AF-RF1) and thier setup is just _slightly_ too restrictive to sort it out. Watkins may not be fast enough for this to happen tho.

Hopefully V8's or NFR's conversion thingy will be out soon then, as I'm not really a fan of either of those (tho I have to admit the Octavia one is well done).

Kewl, always wanted a nemesis!  :D :fencing:

I'm gonna race in this, do you fancy inviting other GRC members along too, obviously racing to your rules etc (I'll add it to the announcment in the GRC forum, if it happens)

Yeah, the more the merrier. ;D

Cool, oh BTW if you were planning on testing the new flag stuff, it's better but it still messes up _far_ too often to be usable.

Fozz

So, will anyone take a Porsche? Proton flies here and I'm up for some speed. Maybe I'll have a chance to lap Pigies for a change, lol  ;D

TT

I wanetd to go with the Proto as well, but if everybody takes it, I might go for the PCC.

I've added a poll to get some idea of numbers and choices. I won't hold anyone to their vote though.

Bump.

 I'll be at the race  ;) 
 but I'm learning the rfactor, ;D
 Actually, I have it for the past 5 Mon's and never played with it  :-[

 Cheers
 Rui

 I will take a Porsche for this one  :)

How is the server availability for training? Can we run GTL event and have rFactor for training? 

TT

When there is a proper event on that will be the only thing running on the server. Outside of those times I try to keep two servers running covering the next 2 events. So GTL for tonight and GTR Elise practice servers should be up now.

Ok.  :)

TT

I may leave one or two open as I'm not at home during the week.

Gizmo/Shark - I've just c/p'ed your announcement over at the GRC, so there's a link there to the password thread fine, but non SRou members can probably not get there, do you want to change the password?

Good point, password updated in the first post of this thread.

Thanks

He's right.

Oops - it's the 10th; first post corrected.

thanks

Can I ask clarification on install files, is this AIW in addition, also I take it it's the AllCar default mod?

Only the server needs the AIW file 'cause it controls the pacecar.

Yes, I plan to use the AllCar RFM and not make one up especially.

  Fozz,
  Do you have any nice setup for the Porshe in this track?   ::) :)

  Rui

Practice/Test server is up and will be till the race now, except for this evening for the GTL race.

I'm sorry, but I can't see the server.  :( Can we use IP?

TT

games.avonrise.co.uk is where the servers are at, should be able to add as a favourite and then see it.

Did this, but says "no games available"  >:(
Does that mean I don't have all the things installed?

TT

Try now, I couldn't connect either but shutting down all the servers and restarting them seems to have corrected the situation  :-\

Nope, I had some amazing setups for the previous version, which were heavily modified GH ones. I don't have anything for the new one, I'm taking the Demon though too I think now.

Works now.  :) Hope it'll be good for good.  ;)

TT

Can see it too :)

Where did you find those GH setups?

GSMF homepage.

2 Huttu sets for PCC 1.2, he lapped the whole field with these in a 2h race at Spa ;-)

http://koti.mbnet.fi/ghuttu/rfactor/setups/GH_PCCv12_SpaGTL_Qual.svm

http://koti.mbnet.fi/ghuttu/rfactor/setups/GH_PCCv12_SpaGTL_Race.svm

I'm sure they'll work for Watkins Glen with some small adjustments.

How does 1.36.xxx sound in Proton? (be gentle with me...)  :sweatdrop:

TT

I'm solidly into the 36s in the Proton but that probably means you're slow. :laugh: I think lower downforce is the way to go but the car's then a real handful through the last  few corners. :o

 Tkx mate  ;) 8)
 
 Rui

Do we have to d/l both the German and GB PCC. Is there a difference? Didn't realise if there was


Oilseal

Yes you do, the GB bit is basically a carpack on top of the German PCC mod

Ok, Dave, was guessing it was something like that. Will work harder.  ;D

TT

I did some laps and 1:35's are possible. I don't know which version I have (Proton or Deamon), but it's the Playboy one. The heavier of the two.

The Playboy car is the Demon. I'm going to be taking the Spalding Proton.

tested the demon for a few laps too and did some low 34s, so i think at least 33s should be possible ;-)

Can the practice server run the same password as the actual event, as no GRC members can practice here, or do you want us to run our own practice server?

My Sebring setup seems to be OK here

VehicleClassSetting="2006 Demon"
UpgradeSetting=(5,0)
//VEH=GAMEDATA\VEHICLES\DEMON\NEC\NEC_86.VEH
//UpgradeClass=
//Tires=1
//Force Feedback=1
//Note: settings commented out if using the default

[GENERAL]
Notes=""
Symmetric=1
//CGRightSetting=0//50.0:50.0
//CGRearSetting=0//45.0:55.0
//WedgeSetting=0//0.00 turns
//FrontTireCompoundSetting=0//Dry
//RearTireCompoundSetting=0//Dry
FuelSetting=54//55 L (16 laps)
NumPitstopsSetting=1//1
Pitstop1Setting=69//70 L (20 laps)
//Pitstop2Setting=49//N/A
//Pitstop3Setting=49//N/A

[LEFTFENDER]
//FenderFlareSetting=0//0.0 cm

[RIGHTFENDER]
//FenderFlareSetting=0//0.0 cm

[FRONTWING]
FWSetting=1//2

[REARWING]
RWSetting=4//5

[BODYAERO]
//RadiatorSetting=3//4
//BrakeDuctSetting=3//4

[SUSPENSION]
//FrontAntiSwaySetting=4//140 N/mm
//RearAntiSwaySetting=3//50 N/mm
FrontToeInSetting=16//-0.20 deg
//RearToeInSetting=22//0.10 deg
LeftCasterSetting=40//2.0 deg
RightCasterSetting=40//2.0 deg
//LeftTrackBarSetting=0//0.0 cm
//RightTrackBarSetting=0//0.0 cm
//Front3rdPackerSetting=0//0.0 cm
//Front3rdSpringSetting=0//Detached
//Front3rdSlowBumpSetting=0//1
//Front3rdFastBumpSetting=0//1
//Front3rdSlowReboundSetting=0//1
//Front3rdFastReboundSetting=0//1
//Rear3rdPackerSetting=0//0.0 cm
//Rear3rdSpringSetting=0//Detached
//Rear3rdSlowBumpSetting=0//1
//Rear3rdFastBumpSetting=0//1
//Rear3rdSlowReboundSetting=0//1
//Rear3rdFastReboundSetting=0//1

[CONTROLS]
//SteerLockSetting=10//15.0 deg
//RearBrakeSetting=40//55.0:45.0
BrakePressureSetting=9//98%
//HandbrakePressSetting=0//0%

[ENGINE]
//RevLimitSetting=0//7,500
//EngineBoostSetting=0//1
//EngineBrakingMapSetting=2//2

[DRIVELINE]
//FinalDriveSetting=2//10/35 (bevel  1/ 1)
//ReverseSetting=0//10/36 (12.600)
Gear1Setting=3//20/67 (11.725)
Gear2Setting=16//14/29 (7.250)
Gear3Setting=28//20/31 (5.425)
Gear4Setting=41//40/49 (4.287)
Gear5Setting=47//10/10 (3.500)
Gear6Setting=52//16/14 (3.063)
//DiffPumpSetting=6//60%
//DiffPowerSetting=0//0%
//DiffCoastSetting=0//0%
//DiffPreloadSetting=0//1

[FRONTLEFT]
//CamberSetting=15//-3.5 deg
PressureSetting=38//128 kPa
//PackerSetting=5//0.5 cm
//SpringSetting=2//120 N/mm
RideHeightSetting=0//3.5 cm
//SlowBumpSetting=2//3
//FastBumpSetting=2//3
SlowReboundSetting=3//4
FastReboundSetting=3//4
//BrakeDiscSetting=0//2.8 cm
//BrakePadSetting=2//3

[FRONTRIGHT]
//CamberSetting=15//-3.5 deg
PressureSetting=38//128 kPa
//PackerSetting=5//0.5 cm
//SpringSetting=2//120 N/mm
RideHeightSetting=0//3.5 cm
//SlowBumpSetting=2//3
//FastBumpSetting=2//3
SlowReboundSetting=3//4
FastReboundSetting=3//4
//BrakeDiscSetting=0//2.8 cm
//BrakePadSetting=2//3

[REARLEFT]
CamberSetting=23//-2.7 deg
//PressureSetting=40//130 kPa
//PackerSetting=5//0.5 cm
//SpringSetting=2//120 N/mm
RideHeightSetting=15//5.5 cm
//SlowBumpSetting=2//3
//FastBumpSetting=2//3
//SlowReboundSetting=4//5
//FastReboundSetting=4//5
//BrakeDiscSetting=0//2.8 cm
//BrakePadSetting=2//3

[REARRIGHT]
CamberSetting=23//-2.7 deg
//PressureSetting=40//130 kPa
//PackerSetting=5//0.5 cm
//SpringSetting=2//120 N/mm
RideHeightSetting=15//5.5 cm
//SlowBumpSetting=2//3
//FastBumpSetting=2//3
//SlowReboundSetting=4//5
//FastReboundSetting=4//5
//BrakeDiscSetting=0//2.8 cm
//BrakePadSetting=2//3

[BASIC]
Downforce=0.500000
Balance=0.500000
Ride=0.500000
Gearing=0.500000
Custom=1

I didn't realise this wasn't just a SRou event   :-[

Hi Guys,
           Have just decided to join you for this tonight, though I haven't raced rFactor for months  :-[

Am I right in saying the only things you can upgrade on the Demon are the wheels and force feedback?

After about 9 laps I'm managing arounfd 1:41.xxx, so a way to go yet. Has anyone got a good race setup for this?


Sorry lots of questions there  ;D

You mean like the one Fozz posted two posts up  :P

Yep.

That's ok, but its progressed.

Not sure how great it is, but its significantly better than default anyway

==================
VehicleClassSetting="2006 Demon"
UpgradeSetting=(10,0)
//VEH=GAMEDATA\VEHICLES\DEMON\NEC\NEC_86.VEH
//UpgradeClass=
//Tires=2
//Force Feedback=2
//Note: settings commented out if using the default

[GENERAL]
Notes=""
Symmetric=1
//CGRightSetting=0//50.0:50.0
//CGRearSetting=0//45.0:55.0
//WedgeSetting=0//0.00 turns
//FrontTireCompoundSetting=0//Dry
//RearTireCompoundSetting=0//Dry
FuelSetting=39//40L (16laps)
NumPitstopsSetting=1//1
Pitstop1Setting=69//70L (28laps)
//Pitstop2Setting=49//N/A
//Pitstop3Setting=49//N/A

[LEFTFENDER]
//FenderFlareSetting=0//0.0 cm

[RIGHTFENDER]
//FenderFlareSetting=0//0.0 cm

[FRONTWING]
FWSetting=1//2

[REARWING]
RWSetting=4//5

[BODYAERO]
//RadiatorSetting=3//4
BrakeDuctSetting=2//3

[SUSPENSION]
//FrontAntiSwaySetting=4//140 N/mm
//RearAntiSwaySetting=3//50 N/mm
FrontToeInSetting=16//-0.20 deg
//RearToeInSetting=22//0.10 deg
LeftCasterSetting=40//2.0 deg
RightCasterSetting=40//2.0 deg
//LeftTrackBarSetting=0//0.0 cm
//RightTrackBarSetting=0//0.0 cm
//Front3rdPackerSetting=0//0.0 cm
//Front3rdSpringSetting=0//Detached
//Front3rdSlowBumpSetting=0//1
//Front3rdFastBumpSetting=0//1
//Front3rdSlowReboundSetting=0//1
//Front3rdFastReboundSetting=0//1
//Rear3rdPackerSetting=0//0.0 cm
//Rear3rdSpringSetting=0//Detached
//Rear3rdSlowBumpSetting=0//1
//Rear3rdFastBumpSetting=0//1
//Rear3rdSlowReboundSetting=0//1
//Rear3rdFastReboundSetting=0//1

[CONTROLS]
SteerLockSetting=9//14.0 deg
RearBrakeSetting=42//54.0:46.0
BrakePressureSetting=4//88%
//HandbrakePressSetting=0//0%

[ENGINE]
//RevLimitSetting=0//7,500
//EngineBoostSetting=0//1
//EngineBrakingMapSetting=2//2

[DRIVELINE]
//FinalDriveSetting=2//10/35 (bevel  1/ 1)
//ReverseSetting=0//10/36 (12.600)
Gear1Setting=3//20/67 (11.725)
Gear2Setting=16//14/29 (7.250)
Gear3Setting=28//20/31 (5.425)
Gear4Setting=41//40/49 (4.287)
Gear5Setting=47//10/10 (3.500)
Gear6Setting=53//20/17 (2.975)
//DiffPumpSetting=6//60%
//DiffPowerSetting=0//0%
//DiffCoastSetting=0//0%
//DiffPreloadSetting=0//1
//RearSplitSetting=0// 0.0:100.0

[FRONTLEFT]
CamberSetting=16//-3.4 deg
PressureSetting=38//128 kPa
//PackerSetting=5//0.5 cm
//SpringSetting=2//120 N/mm
//SpringRubberSetting=0//Detached
RideHeightSetting=0//3.5 cm
SlowBumpSetting=3//4
FastBumpSetting=3//4
//SlowReboundSetting=4//5
//FastReboundSetting=4//5
//BrakeDiscSetting=0//2.8 cm
//BrakePadSetting=2//3

[FRONTRIGHT]
CamberSetting=16//-3.4 deg
PressureSetting=38//128 kPa
//PackerSetting=5//0.5 cm
//SpringSetting=2//120 N/mm
//SpringRubberSetting=0//Detached
RideHeightSetting=0//3.5 cm
SlowBumpSetting=3//4
FastBumpSetting=3//4
//SlowReboundSetting=4//5
//FastReboundSetting=4//5
//BrakeDiscSetting=0//2.8 cm
//BrakePadSetting=2//3

[REARLEFT]
CamberSetting=22//-2.8 deg
//PressureSetting=40//130 kPa
//PackerSetting=5//0.5 cm
//SpringSetting=2//120 N/mm
//SpringRubberSetting=0//Detached
RideHeightSetting=10//5.0 cm
//SlowBumpSetting=2//3
//FastBumpSetting=2//3
SlowReboundSetting=3//4
FastReboundSetting=3//4
//BrakeDiscSetting=0//2.8 cm
//BrakePadSetting=2//3

[REARRIGHT]
CamberSetting=22//-2.8 deg
//PressureSetting=40//130 kPa
//PackerSetting=5//0.5 cm
//SpringSetting=2//120 N/mm
//SpringRubberSetting=0//Detached
RideHeightSetting=10//5.0 cm
//SlowBumpSetting=2//3
//FastBumpSetting=2//3
SlowReboundSetting=3//4
FastReboundSetting=3//4
//BrakeDiscSetting=0//2.8 cm
//BrakePadSetting=2//3

[BASIC]
Downforce=0.500000
Balance=0.500000
Ride=0.500000
Gearing=0.500000
Custom=1

Practice server restarted with race password to allow GCR boys some late practice ;)

Lol, do you mean I'm supposed to read Fozz's posts?????????     :P

Any chance of swapping cars between races or will it be straight to race 2?

There will be some sort of delay while I work out the grid and success ballast for race 2 so I expect you'll have time then.

Just tried joining the server and got an incompitable game version message, I am using 1.070, has there been an update I've missed or is this a different issue?

where are you seeing that server?
cannot see it in game

Version is 1.150  :)

TT

As TT says we updated to 1.150 when it came out.

Nick, if you can't see the server add a game (plus + I think it is) and enter games.avonrise.co.uk and you should see it

Bugger, thought it had been awhile since I'd played it, downloading now 688mb fingers crossed

1.150 I think

Sorry Jon  :(

Cut the crap and lets have standing starts  >:(

TT

No my fault TT. I gunned it when I thought Picnic was going but then I think he got the message about accelerating to soon etc. Then I jammed the brakes and.... :o Sorry bud. Great stuff in the first race really enjoyed it. The second was a bit cocked but I guess you don't know till you try. Had to go 'cus of time, Zzzzzzzzzzzzz(bedtime) ;)

Shame about race 2 (hope Nick didn't hang on for a win  ;)).

Nice format, nice looking cars and good fun in race 1. Worth another go.

First in class SBG!

OK so only one in class, but hey I can work a line on that.

Good fun though, definate potential and looking forward to future events.

Various replays and results can be downloaded from here (http://ukrf.simracing.org.uk/Grand%20UK%20-%2010092006.zip)

Enjoyed tonight, I actually quite like the Proto stuff which hopefully bodes well for GTR2 as the cars aren't on the knife edge that GTR1 seems to be.

Did some practice earlier but was struggling round in the 37's but on checking the throttle it it appeared I had to press very hard to get 100% in the game, so I tweaked the sensitivity setting in the game, suddenly the 265 kph after the first long run was creeping into the 280's and I snuck into the 35 bracket :)

Shame about the pace car problems, being slow and then in the 2nd/3rd races it pulled in but we never got a green flag message :( Still the Proton and Demon have launch control so who needs a rolling start................... o yes the Porka boys ;)

Roll on the Amorali race to get some more rF fun :)

I have to admit I actually quite enjoyed driving those cars.  :o :o After getting a proper setup and copying my GTL FF settings the feel was better, although not as good as GTR/GTR2/GTL  :P :P.

For my taste the Proto and Demons are ever so slightly too fast and the Porkers are ever so slightly too slow, picky I know, never satisfied. I would have prefered something slightly slower than Proto as they're too knife edgy for my tastes.

The pace car speed in rFactor is ridiculous. Can you imagine using it around Spa FFS! I like the idea of a formation lap followed by standing starts (where launch control is available) or our normal pace lap done by ourselves and not the game.

Was suprised to be able to complete that first race with work stuff going on. Had to dash off after the first race due to work committments.

First race was sort of funny :-\ I followed Gizmo through the dirt on the second to last turn on Lap 1 like a true noob sheep  :cowboy: and practically broke my car in two as I hit the barrier side on at speed. Waited for the whole field including PCCs to go past then spun turn only to find Gizmo doing the same and we span turn into each other. Was comical! I had assumed I was alone.  :eek: Spent a whole lap in the pits whilst the crew repaired me as well as they could, although when I left the pits my car still had yellow on the status display on every single panel, but the car felt ok. Managed to unlap and retake all the PCCs so ended up at the back of the Protos a lap down with Gizmo close behind.

Actually I thought it was really good. I managed to get good heat in the tyres (60-70) and brakes and never felt like I was in danger of having an off doing it.

The nonsense with the lack of green flags in races 2/3 would seem to be a track issue. Since the Protos have launch control a formation lap and standing start is probably the way to go. If only we could manually issue the green flag. :-\


:D I can't believe I tried to take that corner in 4th on the first lap, was never going to work and I was far too busy thinking about how to keep TT behind. ::) Top marks to all the Porsche drivers who, to a man, made life very simple when getting back past them.

I managed to compound my newbie mistake by being too busy faffing with the pit crew control panel going into the pits to actually put the limiter on. Realised straight away that I was going to get a stop and go and just took tyres and a small fuel adjustment and got straight back out, came back for me stop & go, and set off after Shark. Too much damage to the car though and whilst I could match Shark for pace I could never really close the gap. :-\

Personally I thought that was a really fun combination of cars; the ProtoRacers are fast enough to be scarey but stable enough for me to push them and not fall off constantly. I also thought the speed gap between the PCC and Proto cars was perfect, enough to make it easy and safe to pass under power but not so much as to make it dangerous under braking and mid corner.

If we ran a once a month "Rolex Grand UK" type championship event I wonder if we'd get good turnouts.

We were having to be 2 abreast so weaving is dangerous.

It's just plain boring going round at 40mph for 5 minutes on a pace lap.

Don't see how having a pace car is any better than doing our own faster formation lap in single file.

I seemed to manage it okay as did others.


The big plus from an admin point of view is that rFactor correctly records the race laps and so on as it knows the difference between the pace lap and a race lap. In GTR and GTL all our numbers (lap counts, average speeds and so on) are strictly speaking wrong because the game doesn't know we're doing our own pace lap.

It also means (when it works) that it polices the start itself instead of us having to look at the replay to see if anyone went early.

Sorry, but..

1) The pace car is simply too slow to use.
2) Double file pace lap is dangerous for online racing.

A pace lap at 40mph is a complete waste of time, you cannot, without doing some seriously dangerous weaving and sharp braking and accelerating (something we have a rule against!!) for the entire lap, and letting off plumes of dangerous smoke from braking, warm up anything for it to be worth doing when we end up still really compact in double file going really slowly. You may as well just have a standing start.

So what if the first lap is counted as a race lap? What difference does it make?

Pace laps are to make sure the field is spread and moving to avoid the massive T1 shunts and people who cannot control wheel spin off a standing start, not to warm stuff up. There is no need to warm anything up if people show caution on lap 1.

I hurtled into both of you I think at a very high speed, sorry  :(