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Date: Tuesday 12th Sept
Track: Enna Pergusa

Practice 1: 20:30 (25 mins)
Practice 2: none
Qual 2: 20:55 (18 mins)
Warmup: 21:13 (2 mins)
Race: 21:15 (40 mins)

Cars allowed: Lotus Elise only - see this thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1975) for car pack and team choices - note the new GTR 1.4 compatability patch!
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Server: UKGTR Elise Cup
Password: Server Password will be the usual practice/fun race password, as shown in this post (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=12.0).

Notes:
(1) No registration is required; all forum-registered members may join.
(2) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(3) See the Series Info (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=30) for general Elise Cup info.
(4) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7); note that we have no specific standing start rules, but first lap incidents will be punished more harshly than subsequent incidents

Cool, Enna 8) Can we take the chicanes flat with the Elise?

How many people will make the finish without hitting the concrete walls / tyre barriers?

Place your bets

I'd like to know if anyone manages 5th gear!  ;D

Woat? It has 5 gears??? ???

Heh, I use 2, 3, 4 only.  ;D

TT

Hehe, is that brain cells TT ?  ;) ;D :1eye:

Are you returning to the bosom of racing for this one then TT?  :wheelchair:

I'll be waiting for ya  :ninja: :tank: ..or perhaps my heavies need to pay another visit to your garage :whistling:

Elises at Enna should be like a go-kart race !  :o

Cheers, MJ, I think I'll be able to be there, yes.  :thumbup1:

I have only two brain cells - one for throttle, the other (smaller) in for the brake.  ;)

As soon as one cell divides I kill the third (the oldest one now, mind you  ;D ) with a big glass of Greek Ouzo.  :balloon: burp

TT

Thank God I have an extra braincell for steering. How do you streer, like a tank, left and right? :P

Just close my eyes...  ;D

TT

This should be a good one, Enna and the Elise are made for each other, as Jonzo said, it's going to be more like karting.  Hopefully I'll  manage a full race after getting disco'd on the last on  :'(.

Noticed the server is at enna but its still set to rain. ???

The sun has got his hat on, hip hip hip, hooray!  :whistling:

Brilliant track, taking that first chicane into 4th gear....heartpumping ;D And the first track on which I've used 5th gear or the Elise :thumbup2:

It's just so hairy around here. To go fast I'm teetering on the edge of death, which is what I predict will happen to me in the race ;)
That first chicane...Have I got it right....Have I got it right...Oh shiiii.....Ahhh just made it ;D
Used Matjaz's Silverstone setup, It seems very quick here too but I guess the order of the day is just to finish.
So I ask you. Is it better to burn out than to fade away?

A burnout, no doubt ;)

Ok Just been having a blast and it looks like you can't get a cut track warning after the first chicane. Dunno about the section coming into the start/finish as I got to go out and G/F is giving me filthy looks(no not that kind). But this seems like a big problem to me as it would encourage major track cutting. Dunno if it's 'cus elise is so slow that the game thinks that this is a average speed for the car between these 2 points or not but what you guys think. Track change or just a gentalman's agreement etc? Or maybe my games just screwy :P :death: :scared: :drool: :eek:

We have a rule on track cutting which should cover this instance. Straight lining the track is cheating and will be penalised where reported.

Use Of Track Surface

    * Moderators will not normally check these rules unless another driver submits an incident report.
      These rules apply in all sessions, including qualifying, even when not on a flying lap.
    * Persistent or deliberate 'railriding' is strictly forbidden.
    * Drivers must at all times keep at least two wheels within the boundaries of the track.
      The track is defined as the normal road surface, which at most tracks is definied by white lines at the edge of the road, plus any painted curbs. Areas of grass, gravel, sand, and areas painted green, are not part of the track.
      Cars which are not fully under the driver's control are normally exempt.
    * A driver who gains an advantage by breaching the previous rule must yield the advantage back to any affected car(s).
      An advantage may include taking a place directly, setting up a pass, or avoiding losing a place.

Thanks for clearing it for me :)

I think I had quite a few cuts in Oschersleben when turning to that long left corner which is faster if you enter it very wide and to do this you have to go beyond the white line but you're still on the asphalt.  :angel:

Enna could be fun with Elise. I think we'll have a lot of slipstreaming but not much overtaking due to some very nasty chicanes.  ;D

Enna eats cars.


So this should be fun  ;D

Bearing in mind that there is going to be one hell of a tight pack of cars (due to similar cars) heading down to the 2nd? chicane (the one with tyres/barrels on the apex), how about enforcing a no-outbraking/overtaking rule for the first flying lap when heading into the braking zone for it ?  I know its not quite the way of 'racing' but its got to be better than losing upto 6 cars in a big pile up, as happens everytime we race here. It can be complete carnage and also usually takes out innocent drivers who come flying down into a wall of stranded and busted cars....speaking from bitter experience ::)

Just a thought, anyone agree?

The Elise is good fun around here and as i suspected, like a karting meet  8)...and there will be some chaos! :sweatdrop: :2guns: :cursing:

Was doing some training off-line. Race weekend in single player allows only 15 min race. When in garage it says 101 laps!?!?  ???
But then the race does last 15 minutes only.  :(  Something to do with the skin patch?

TT

Wow had a great start but lost places as the faster guys got by.

Then smacked a chincane  >:(

Very sorry to however was following me - I tried to hit escape as soon as I could, but I don't think I was fast enough  :oops: :hang:

I never even made it to the race, was going to manage to log in with 5 mins of qualifying left, and then my connection was screwed.  It was showing as connected, but couldn't contact anything.

I am so angry i could almost kill  >:(

Waste of an hour and a half of my night ruined by some arse hole on the last lap of the race, who refused to get out of the way blocking myself and Big G, even when flashed and obvious it was two lapping cars trying to get past. His stupidness caused me to slam into the tyre wall on the chicane as i was blocked and unsighted and totalled my car, with Big G also crashing at same place.

You know who you are you tw*t :2guns:  i thought this was supposed to be 'sporting' I cannot understand the mentality of someone who decides to f*ck up other peoples races just because they have failed in their own.

Was running in 4th after slipstreaming Big G who had already been badly blocked by the same bloke through several corners and refused to move out of the way,  and on last lap...nuff said.
End up with naff all >:(

Wow what a nervous wreck I am :eek: This track was just soooo hard. Knowing that on any lap in one of 2 places it could be all over really made me bottle out of going for super flying laps. For the first time I felt that I had the pace of Matjaz but when I finally did have the pace I didn't have the class to go with it. Superb driving Matjaz Grats on the win 8)  I've really enjoyed this Champ, dicing with Matjaz and Ruskus has been a blast, I'd like to thank SROU for organising and all the lads who drove for making it a great little mini champ 8) 8) 8) Great stuff lads ;)

Qually went as expected, I couldn't keep up with Matjaz and Jon. Especially Jon's time was amazing, a second faster than me. Maybe if I had a clean lap I would have beaten Matjaz in qually, but he is good at starts, so that would have been lost quickly anyway ;D.

Matjaz shot in the distance at the beginning and I was following Jon around. He went wide at the 2nd chicane and I took 2nd. But I was in a fair mood, so I messed up and gave his position back :P. Soon after I spun again and I went into  :wheelchair: -mode, because I thought I had to settle for 3rd as I was too far behind anything better.

Halfway through the race I remembered I had replays on, so I thought I would get the 1FPS bug for sure, but luckily I managed. But more surprisingly, I came from 12s behind Jon, to 6s behind and I thought he was struggling with his tyres, and that I would get a shot for 2nd. But he played with me and started using his right foor again and slowly drove off again :laugh:.

That first chicane is scary. In qually I was almost going flatout through there and I didn't give a crap, but during the race I was frozen everytime I approached it. The last 5 minutes I went slower through the 1st chicane, but that made it even more dangerous as I misguessed the entry point, but I didn't crash luckily.

Grats to Matjaz for surviving and finishing 1st and Jon for outspeeding the Devil during qually :thumbup2:

It ain't over yet, or did your nerves break down ;D. but I'm having a blast as well, eventhough i can't keep up with you guys in the Elise. :)

It aint over... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

One race to forget for me. Total lack of practice was a terrible mistake. Default "fast" setup is so unforgiving I had to tweak it - which took almost all the practice session. Apart from unstable car, my driving seemed terrible. I couldn't find out why I spin all the time (later about this).

I qualified 12th struggling to keep the car on the track. This position didn't seem that bad as I have expected some un(enna)vitable DNF's in front of me, which should have resulted with some points. Quite a nice start as some folks forgot to press accelerator on green lights and then, on a turn 2 - slam, a little friendly punch from behind left me spinning on the grass.

Rejoined 16th - of course. Managed to 14th then spun 5 times in 3 laps. Luckily - without any car damage.

After several laps I got 11th then hang my car on the first chicane :( Tried to get back on track without success.

At least during standing start I have found out the reason of my terrible driving - my accelerator pedal didn't calibrate properly and it worked only the last 30% of the scale. Even Elise is difficult to drive with binary input on the throttle. After the race recalibrated it and easily got 1.47.xx time. Well - racing they call it.

Congratulations to all you folks who managed to finish the race - no matter what place!!!

Replay (http://www.ukgtr.org/replay/Enna%20Pergusa%20-%20Elise%20Cup%20120906.zip) and Provisonal Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=197) are available

  Bad night  :(

  In practice I get 1 frame then in Qual the same and I had to come out the game, but when I get back no time left   :eek:
  I was so happy to be the last in the grid that I did a spin in the start just to celebrate :taz:
  Then I realize that my pace was 3 sec. slower and I look to the fuel and I saw more 20lit, I end the race with fuel for 12 more laps  :wetfish:
 
  Be side that it was a nice race  :thumbup2:
 
  Cheers,
  Rui

WOW! now that was intense , really enjoyed that  ;D apart from the car in front of me hitting the chicane taking off, spinning straight in to my windscreen, made me jump  :o

I always did well at this track so tonight it was mistakeless race from me and that usually does it for a good result here. Jon was very fast in qualifying so I had to settle for second with Ruskus close behind me. Another great start from me gave me the lead coming into the first corner. I knew this will be tough for Jon driving in my slipstream through those chicanes and it was in the 2nd chicane that he did a small mistake going wide and clipping the wall. I saw it in my rear mirror so I gained some breathing space. Ruskus took second and was going with a nice pace and closing a bit but as usual I'm like a diesel engine so I needed a few laps to find my rhythm. From then on I tried to be smooth but not 100% flat out through those chicanes so my times were about  half to one second slower then in my practice run. I had a bit of a problem with my pit guy... he was showing me some confusing gaps to the 2nd position driver. One lap it was 4 seconds then 9 and 16 and then 9 again so I really had no idea what was my advantage. So I just focused on surviving and tried to be very carefull overtaking the backmarkers. They were very good to me, watching the mirrors. Still there were a couple of spins right in front of me but I was expecting them and kept my focus not to do anything stupid like spinning. At the end my advantage was only 6 seconds so my pitboard was completely wrong. I'll have a word with my pit guy so it doesn't happen again.  ;D

Great and scary race as usual... I think I need a shower after that because I'm claustrophobic you know and Enna is a bit of a nightmare for me although I always do well here. See you in Estoril and I hope for a fantastic final race.

Sturdy little car, eh?  ;)  Bumped it four times, once in 1 st chicane, but all I got was "some aerial damage", not even a puncture.

I'm pleased to say my foot is healing well and it got a bit uncomfortable towards last quarter of the race, better than I expected.  :yes:

Hate Enna, love Estoril. I wonder if I can make it any better there.  :shifty:

Grats to the fastest guys. I was 4 sec behind in quali !  :wacko:   Not even in season 1 did this happen to me, I think. Ok, maybe in season 3 when CJ was driving.  ;D

TT

P.S. Sorry to the driver who I blocked rejoining. Was it you, Dan? I'm not sure. Sorry again.  :(

1st, well done to the top 3. 2nd, well done TT for hanging in there whilst carring a injury. and 3rd my race:

Happy with my 6th on the grid for the race, Never really liked this track in the 996, but after practice the other night found the car suited my driving well.

Got a great start and moved upto 4th behind Jeff by T1 and was happy with the pace, Jeff and the others where pulling away already, so I started to think about wot was happening behind me. Then at the last fast chicane I ran wide into the kitty litter and ended up driving for 150 mtrs before being able to rejoin the track this dropped me back to P8, but the car was not damaged.

Then people started doing werid thing and spinning off in front of me, 1st Dan M spun off, followed by Pablo, then Maurice ran wide at the same place I did and I was back in  5th.

Pablo soon recovered and started to harras my arse, but he made a mistake and the pressure was off. Greg was running a good 4th place just down the road. I was catching very slowly when understeered off at the 1st corner.

By this point i started to run into some tire issues (Understeer). Not to much off a problem I thought with now Mark Jonzo some 10-15 secs behind. Well I was wrong there. I started to make silly mistakes as I had to adjust to less grip on the front. As Mark caught me I was coming upto *** to lap him as we started another lap.

I was not really in a position to overtake in T1, Then also had to stay behind in T2 and T3 as there was no real straight between them. Then coming out of T3 I got a bad exit and *** pulled away. This then allowed Mark to get a run on me and that allowed him to get bye on my left as we all headed towards the fast right/left chicane. I had lost the corner to Mark and so pulled in behind him. We where both now very close to *** and I think we put *** in a position he could not get out off. He could not move over to the left anymore and I beleive he also though he could not have moved right as I was over there. He then went through the chicane and hit the 2nd barrier on the left. Mark then hit the 1st barrier and I then hit him. Damaged but still able to get running again. So I then drove home for 4th place, my best ever, well for a long time.

Good racing all round, thanks to the back markers for allowing me through, felt strange lapping people for the 1st time.

I am surprised you do not feel you were being blocked BigG ? [...edited by the editor... >:(] Its reported to the mods anyhow.

Congrats to the podium guys, its a tough old track just to get through in one piece, especially trying to follow peeps blind through the chicane walls  :o

Well that was certainly and eventful race!.....except for me....

Just hadn't got the pace and my setup stunk like gravy! No top-end speed, not enough fast rebound, diff was completely wrong.....the list goes on..

Wouldn't mind but I had a great start getting a few places before the first corner. After that though, Captain Slow took over, felt like I was driving a Peugeot to everyone elses Veyron!

Hope I didn't prove difficult to lap to anyone -  BigG, congrats on all the lapping you got in there, had to check your placing twice when I looked in the mirror the first time!  ;D :o

No need to star out the names if you're just reporting the facts in an objective and nonjudgemental way. ;)

F*ck mine, is this is a racing website or a girls school for political correctness >:(

If i balls up, i expect to get shouted at or my collar felt, likewise we should be able to express our own opinions or views.

It's a community of gentlemen racers and not a school playground. There are certain well established rules of conduct and if there's any feeling of collars to be done, the moderators will do it and not the mob.

Yes Mark we where blocked, but I think it was more the case of where we were on track when we caught Dan. Then due to my problems getting out of T3 allowed him to pull away. Then when we caught him again, our positioning did not allow him any choice to move over. I know you can argue he should have really slowed down to allow us past, but that racing as far as I am concerned.

Sorry you feel so pissed.

I would like to hear what Dan has to say. then we have the facts from all three parties.

Exactly, and i considered last nights driving by 'he who shall not be named' as un-gentlemanly and un-sporting, more so against the guy in front of me than to me personally. But BigG is obviously a lot more laid back than i am and therefore not as flustered ::)
It ended my race right at race end, i am not going to be happy about it, as the circumstances that created it shouldnt have happened :( Me and Big G should have been allowed to continue our duel un-hindered.....blue flags anybody?

I enjoy reading all the post race 'posts', for good or bad experiences and dont see why its beneficial to sterilise them, taking all the passion that is motor sport out of the posts. Mods should step in if it becomes a slanging match but people should still be allowed to air their thoughts for better or worse, and from previous pm's i've had from fellow drivers, i know i am not alone in this thought.

I'm gonna leave it now...sh*t happens. Perhaps i wind myself up too much  :-[

Mark, I had this kind of conversation with Picnic some other time and finally had to agree, that flame wars that do happen at other leagues are killing the fun. Submitting the incident and waiting for ruling is the only way to avoid it. It feels wrong not to be able to express yourself when you are upset, but it really works fine and GTRUK is great example. This is one of the few great leagues I know that avoids public incident judgement.

Nevertheless - in my opinion, rulings for ignoring blue flag and inability to drive wide if someone attacks inside lane should be penalised more severe and biased towards victims right. Several times I felt that aggressive (in a sporting, positive meaning) driving is penalised and less experienced drivers favored. On the other hand - this makes the league friendly to the newcomers.

So - even if you were victimised, be sure someone will get penalised. Clean rules.

Good post Pedro, thanks.

Dont worry i have retreated back into my shell at the back of the garage.  :surrender: :whistling:

I'll be back  ;) :ninja:

Please come back, we miss you.

Practice hard for Estoril. Light and "jumpy" Elise will be so much fun at the polish type asphalt they have. It's the only track in GTR that resembles streets of my home city :)

Hi Guys what a wiered event I got a double stop and go ? what for I can not say. I was doing quite well up to that point 8th saw stop go message loss concentration and attacked the barriers. Took the stop go but got another , ran wide whilst being lapped and clatterd the barriers car was about a second and a half a lap slower after that. If I was the holder up I am very sorry but when ones car is a pig to drive and one is in a battle with a closing car it is somtimes difficult to let lapping cars through. 11 wasnt bad with 2 stop goes in the end. gerald

Its allways a bit special to lap the cars of the same class and of the same model in particular. The lapped driver loses a giant amount of time. I too was moving outta way to the top three much slower than in GTR Endurance to GT cars. Then again, the lapped guy has to choose a moment when its safe to get outta way or accelerate with less throttle. Bad choises hapen, but I don't think it was a deliberate one, MJ.  :)

I hope you cooled down a bit. Have a cold beer on me.  :balloon:  burp   ;D

TT

Jeff, do you still do you race stat thingy?

Yup, but I have Office 2007 beta now, but it causes a million errors before I get the file, so it takes alot of time to create. So I need to install an older version tomorrow and post them.

OK cheers

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Enna Elise 12-09-2006.htm)

There ya go sir.

Appologies to both Mark and Big G but i wasnt blocking on purpose.

Thanking you