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Title: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Simon Gymer on September 28, 2006, 10:21:50 AM +0100
All members welcome.

Practice: 20:15 (15 mins)
Qualifying: 20:30 (20 mins)
Race: 20:50 (22 laps = ~40 mins)
Track: Zolder
Cars allowed: BMW CSL Alpina (rating 15.0), Ford Escort RS (rating 15.0), Porsche 914-6 (rating 14.0), Ford Capri 2600 RS (rating 13.5)
NOTE TO ALL: We are unable to restrict the use of the fast Capri and the faster BMW, so we are relying on everyone to NOT pick those cars. Anyone picking those cars will be asked to leave and rejoin with a different car, otherwise they will be excluded from the result.
Time of Day Setting: 14:00

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Password: See this post (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1665.0)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7).
(3) General information on the ladder can be found on the series home page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=25).
(4) The season will be run using a UKGTL carpack v1.2 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/downloads/UKGTL-skins-1.2.zip) which will need to be installed prior to racing.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Oilseal on October 07, 2006, 02:43:12 PM +0100
Just to let you guys know that Tom's operation went with no snags and we expect him home on Sunday.

As he cant drive for a minimum of 6 weeks you can expect him on here daily grumbling about how his newly arrived copy of GTR 2
is gathering dust on the shelf.

Of course after 6 weeks he'll probably revert to his Ross Brawnesque persona and test the arse off the game.

Thanks to all for your kind messages


Mike Cooper

PS. I'll probably get him to beg Madd to paint the cars. Well you cant refuse a sick man can you. I expect him to use the heart op as a means of gaining sympathy. DONT FALL FOR IT


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 07, 2006, 05:04:22 PM +0100
Great news, Mike. If starts grumbing about GTR2 tell him to get on with painting some Team Oldie skins instead of waiting for Madd to do them! ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Madd-RIP on October 07, 2006, 05:22:21 PM +0100
 :P I've a feeling I may get swamped soon!

Glad to hear the operation went well, good to hear.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: will16v on October 12, 2006, 12:36:39 PM +0100
Hmm, may go with the CSL...have to get some praccy in though before tonight if i can though... :o


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 12, 2006, 12:55:49 PM +0100
have to get some praccy in though before tonight if i can though... :o

Between the ASRWC and GTR2 I'm treating UKGTL races as very much "arrive and drive". I think that's actually GTL's strongest suit - as long as you know the track layout it's fun even with no practice. ;D Which is how I'll be doing it tonight. ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Simon Gymer on October 12, 2006, 01:52:12 PM +0100
Between the ASRWC and GTR2 I'm treating UKGTL races as very much "arrive and drive". I think that's actually GTL's strongest suit - as long as you know the track layout it's fun even with no practice. ;D Which is how I'll be doing it tonight. ;)

Excuses already?  :P


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Adam Parle on October 12, 2006, 02:34:21 PM +0100
I'm a bit short on practice at this one - certainly in the GTC76'ers.  Haven't decided for sure what I'm going to be taking, but it's probably going to be the Escort.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Mark J on October 12, 2006, 03:54:15 PM +0100
Escort for me too, though i've only ever driven it once in GTL....plenty of times with a real one  ;) ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Radius on October 12, 2006, 04:30:08 PM +0100
cant make race tonight...g/f wants to ride ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Iain on October 12, 2006, 04:49:47 PM +0100
i have installed windows recently so i will have to dig out my CD key to get this running, but i try and race tonight. 3 days 3 races, not bad. ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Simon Gymer on October 12, 2006, 05:14:16 PM +0100
i have installed windows recently so i will have to dig out my CD key to get this running, but i try and race tonight. 3 days 3 races, not bad. ;D

Don't forget 1.1 patch and our skin pack.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Iain on October 12, 2006, 05:50:57 PM +0100
i have installed windows recently so i will have to dig out my CD key to get this running, but i try and race tonight. 3 days 3 races, not bad. ;D

Don't forget 1.1 patch and our skin pack.
files will already be there i will just insert the CD key, i hope... but cheers for the reminder ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Adam Parle on October 12, 2006, 07:12:16 PM +0100
Don't forget 1.1 patch and our skin pack.

Cheers for reminding me!!  I've just reformatted my comp so I'd best stick it back on.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Baz on October 12, 2006, 08:06:28 PM +0100
Just to let you guys know that Tom's operation went with no snags and we expect him home on Sunday.

As he cant drive for a minimum of 6 weeks you can expect him on here daily grumbling about how his newly arrived copy of GTR 2
is gathering dust on the shelf.

Of course after 6 weeks he'll probably revert to his Ross Brawnesque persona and test the arse off the game.

Thanks to all for your kind messages


Mike Cooper

PS. I'll probably get him to beg Madd to paint the cars. Well you cant refuse a sick man can you. I expect him to use the heart op as a means of gaining sympathy. DONT FALL FOR IT

Great news Mike, tell him to get well asap Team Oldies need him.

Baz


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Mark J on October 12, 2006, 09:12:51 PM +0100
well that was crap  >:(  Was looking forward to a good race here too.

Qualied 8th which i was happy with. Got nurfed off the track on the first or second lap, picking up a bloody 'cut corner' warning at the same time >:(...kept it going around to the same place on the next lap where i got the door slammed on me by the same driver from the previous lap and ended up spinning into the gravel for another cut warning ! ::) Took me about a minute to get out of the gravel trap  :'(
Was so irate i then chucked it off the track again and got a stop and go. Sat in the pits for the worlds longest S&P pen...upto 40 seconds when i decided to hit the escape key ???, as i was being lapped already.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Iain on October 12, 2006, 09:22:47 PM +0100
once i got into the race my car was understeering and locking up all the time, i kept skidding over the chicane and got 3 cut tracks for basically spinning off.  >:(


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: pribeiro on October 12, 2006, 09:27:39 PM +0100
well that was crap  >:(  Was looking forward to a good race here too.

Exactly my own feeling Mark :-[
I did 2 mistakes after (only 4 laps) in the same place, after last chicane, made me hit the right barrier :'(
1st time, after a whole lap with steering problems i spend 2 mnts in pits repairing and replacing parts >:(
2nd time with the very same problems, during the hell lap to pit, to repair and replace again, i distract myself
watching some stuff at MOTORSTV (my TV is over right from my PC +- 3 mts. away) and BANG......and burn my engine :-\
against the wall ;D, never mind that, i was 2 laps down by that time tho.............. :hang:

Congrats to all and see you next race (maybe at GTR2) :tt1:

<Edit - fixed quote>


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Adam Parle on October 12, 2006, 09:32:32 PM +0100
Not a great qualifying for me, 16th I think.  The start was pretty average, kept out of trouble for a while, until there was a spinner at T1.  Couldn't see the car for the smoke, and ended plowing into the front left hand side of the car ... sorry whoever it was.
[EDIT - Just looked at the replay - Sorry Dave.]

After that my car wasn't handling great, and after a couple of locks under braking it was time for a stop and go.  Kept going for a while, but the rears were getting over 100 degrees and the car was all over the place.  Kept well out of the way of the leaders coming through, but after sliding off into the tyre wall again, enough was enough. Trundled round to the pits for an early bath.

Was knackered by the time I retired, was fighting the car the whole way round - especially round the first few corners (now I remember why I haven't raced here for a while - have never got a handle on it).

Amazing pace up the front as ever.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Jeffrey on October 12, 2006, 09:42:35 PM +0100
ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....................

This could easily been my last GTL race. Another bloody boring race. Didn't see anybody the whole 40 minutes. And hotlapping in this game is like watching grass grow.
 
I'm gonna see if I keep racing at Comet Dave, but very unlikely, as the racingsphere there is kinda bad, with all the ego's and their etiquette. Might give Per Gassne my spot there.

After GTR2, GTl just bores me to death. I only sticked in this race to get the teamscore.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 12, 2006, 09:47:09 PM +0100
Was so irate i then chucked it off the track again and got a stop and go. Sat in the pits for the worlds longest S&P pen...upto 40 seconds when i decided to hit the escape key ???, as i was being lapped already.

You are the same Mark Jonzo, are you not, who recently said:
Too right Dave, spot on, thats always annoyed me when people quit so early because they have had an off or been trying to win the race on the first couple of laps. Especially in endurance races  >:(

 :P


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Madd-RIP on October 12, 2006, 09:47:52 PM +0100
Waste of an hour and a half, quali'd ok and got a reasonable run in the beginning, although I'm expecting some crap to fall on me from a great height...Soz many apologies. (you know what I'm talking about) I found that I just kept locking up everywhere initially, I even had to adjust balance after a few laps to minimise it.
Had a good fight with Shark and settled into a rhythm only for the damned game to give me a 2 cut track warnings at the same time on the same corner!!! wtf.. to make matters worse I go in for the stop/go and the T**T of a game stops me short and I cannot move forward or back or press enter to serve my penalty, I go from 4th to 13th....what a piece of S**T.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 12, 2006, 09:48:13 PM +0100
I'm gonna see if I keep racing at Comet Dave, but very unlikely, as the racingsphere there is kinda bad, with all the ego's and their etiquette. Might give Per Gassne my spot there.

Funny, I was thinking exactly the same thing! :-\


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Jeffrey on October 12, 2006, 09:53:06 PM +0100
I'm gonna see if I keep racing at Comet Dave, but very unlikely, as the racingsphere there is kinda bad, with all the ego's and their etiquette. Might give Per Gassne my spot there.

Funny, I was thinking exactly the same thing! :-\

Guess we need a 2nd reserve driver then...any volunteers? ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 12, 2006, 09:54:07 PM +0100
Not a great qualifying for me, 16th I think.  The start was pretty average, kept out of trouble for a while, until there was a spinner at T1.  Couldn't see the car for the smoke, and ended plowing into the front left hand side of the car ... sorry whoever it was.
[EDIT - Just looked at the replay - Sorry Dave.]

Unlucky, mate, I locked the rears trying to stay close to Goran's 914 in the bends as I had a huge top speed advantage on it, had to dive to the inside to avoid creaming into the back of him and spun, unfortunately coming to rest smack bang in the middle of the track. Can't believe nobody else hit me, good job chaps.

In fact, locking the rears became a bit of a theme. Having finally dragged myself back onto the back of Goran and passed him before the final chicane (pleasure to have you with us, sir), I then caught Baz up, before once again locking the rears at the Kleine chicane and going off, letting Goran back past. Spent the rest of the race trying to catch up and would've got 9th back had there been just one more lap, but with Pero having lapped me it was not to be.

I really struggle with the Escort, it just doesn't talk to me the way some of the other cars do. I wish now I'd taken the Capri 2600. Still, top 10 isn't bad all things considered.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Simon Gymer on October 12, 2006, 09:54:13 PM +0100
ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....................

This could easily been my last GTL race. Another bloody boring race. Didn't see anybody the whole 40 minutes. And hotlapping in this game is like watching grass grow.

EVERYTHING bores you to death Jeff. I'm suprised you haven't keeled over yet really.  :P ;)

I had my most successful race in GTL for ages. No idea where I qualified. In the teens somewhere, finished 4th with a no mistakes race and ok but not stellar pace. I could not get to grips with the Escort after no practice and no setup for all but the very last bit of my qualifying. Race gave me opportunity to stay steady and learn the car.

Escort is not really suited to my driving style, but I managed to coax her home with a very good result for me.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Pero_Grozni on October 12, 2006, 09:56:26 PM +0100
I was very thrilled about finaly geting into the 44's with the Escort - a shame the lap didnt get ssaved. What suprised me though was the difference of pace to the field - I knew that I was quick here, but not by so much. So I was in for a boring race with lots of engine conservation.
I was able to get away cleanly after the start and got a good lead after a few laps and started driving very easily to keet the car alive. All was going fine until I cought up with a backmarker and I misjudged the situatuin and almost ran into the back of him - luckily I was just able to avoid contact, but didnt have the needed steering lock to keep from spinning (I had only 30,5 degrees in the setup). I was able to rejoin quickly though and passed him a few corners later on. The next and last interesting occurance was when I again got in trouble wih a backmarker at the end of the race. He appologised afterwards as there were no blue flags and he thought I was fighting him for position. But it wasnt much of a problem - I should have gone about the pass easyer anyway as I had a big lead and there was no need to pass immidiatly.
All in all a booring race on one of my favourite track/car combinations.
I hope you will still do a race or two Ruskus - otherwise it could get quite booring and that goes for the Comet leauge as well.
Seems like I have to get me GTL2 to get back the raceing thrills GTL used to have, or maybe wait for that Race game (WTCC) or whatever it will be called.
I cant really get into GT racing - I am much more into touring cars and historic cars.

BTW: My Escort finnaly lasted a full race distance  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Simon Gymer on October 12, 2006, 09:57:40 PM +0100
I don't understand why you really fast guys at the top don't take the slower cars to get more racing. That's the whole point of the ladder points. If you take the fastest cars you're going to have lonely races.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Jeffrey on October 12, 2006, 09:57:50 PM +0100
ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....................

This could easily been my last GTL race. Another bloody boring race. Didn't see anybody the whole 40 minutes. And hotlapping in this game is like watching grass grow.

EVERYTHING bores you to death Jeff. I'm suprised you haven't keeled over yet really.  :P ;)

I knew you would comment on that ;D. I'm trying to look for other words than boring :P. But you're wrong. I loved every GTR2 race, even if I lead from start to finish, the game is even fun when hotlapping. Driving 22 laps all alone is just not how I want to fill my evening.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Zacari on October 12, 2006, 10:02:27 PM +0100
It's probably the least practiced track in GTL for me but by the end I was liking it more than when I started :D

Took the 914-6 which was slower overall (much slower mid-range acceleration :'() but pretty stable and good round the twisty stuff.  Quali'd 9th and was more than happy with that!  The race started well and I made a couple of places in the first 2 laps.  Then the downside of having the Porsche came into play when I got behind one of the escorts, no chance to get into a braking zone and overtake, but being held up through the bends so I got nailed down the straights ::)

After out-braking myself when I got a rare look down the inside, I settled down into a good rhythm lapping in the 49's in 7th.  The laps slipped by.... slowly!  After what felt like an age it was only the 12th lap ??? in the end I decided to keep a steady pace and hope for mistakes/misfortune ahead, picking up a couple of places to finish 5th.  Which I'm also more than happy with! ;D ;D

Couple of points.  Firstly, it makes no sense to me to come out of the pits in quali and go right up the backside of a car on a hotlap.  Ever.  People do, and I'd rather they didn't.  There's no flippin' point! :P and secondly, pleeeease DONT talk until EVERYONE has finished the laps they're on at the end.  Regardless of if you want to look or not, it's an unnecessary distraction and more importantly against the rules.

I don't understand why you really fast guys at the top don't take the slower cars to get more racing. That's the whole point of the ladder points. If you take the fastest cars you're going to have lonely races.

Absolutely damn fine point.  It always amuses me that the fastest guys take the fastest cars 99% of the time for whatever reason.  IMO if you're that quick, if you want a chance of close racing take one of the slower cars.  If you end up having a lonely race it's more self-inflicted than anything else in this kind of league.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Jeffrey on October 12, 2006, 10:02:38 PM +0100
I don't understand why you really fast guys at the top don't take the slower cars to get more racing. That's the whole point of the ladder points. If you take the fastest cars you're going to have lonely races.

The most important things about these races is....fun. I hate every Porsche in this game, and most the 914. I just can't get it to move (and have a good time). The Beamer could be fun, but is nothing slower than the Escort and the Capri 2600....well..... :yawn:(I can't say it anymore ;D)


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Jeffrey on October 12, 2006, 10:04:02 PM +0100
If you end up having a lonely race it's more self-inflicted than anything else in this kind of league.

This is complete nonsence, really.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Simon Gymer on October 12, 2006, 10:07:27 PM +0100
I knew you would comment on that ;D. I'm trying to look for other words than boring :P. But you're wrong. I loved every GTR2 race, even if I lead from start to finish, the game is even fun when hotlapping. Driving 22 laps all alone is just not how I want to fill my evening.

You've changed your tune. You used to rave about GTL. I must admit I'm not really that keen on it either (as you welll know), but I know that before I take to the track and sometimes I don't bother because the track/car combo just isn't fun for me. That's fine cause I can pick and choose when things are going to more fun. Perhaps take a break and see the races that look like fun cars for you and come back for those?


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Iain on October 12, 2006, 10:10:14 PM +0100
i used to prefer GTL a lot more to GTR, but now i have played GTR2, i am not really fussed over GTL, so i can see where these comments are coming from.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Jeffrey on October 12, 2006, 10:10:48 PM +0100
Yup, I loved GTL more that GTR, because of the physics, but now that GTR2 has much improved physics, the speed of the GT cars just give a bigger thrill IMO.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Pero_Grozni on October 12, 2006, 10:15:30 PM +0100
Well why not take a slower car - it is a doublesided sword really. This time I could have gone with the Beemer and would have easly still be on the winning pace, but taht was here. A few races ago taking a lesser car ment you had no chances of having a good fight for the lead. So immidiatly it was a game of which car the other fast guy was taking and what he can do with it. Most tracks that ment we all were on the same machinery - even if it might not have been the absolute fastest choice. As far as taking alway the fastest car goes - nonsence. I have many times take a slower car. Possibly I still got fastest lap, but with something else I could have been even faster. Last weeks race for instance - Healey wasnt the fastest choice - that was the Alpine. Or A few races back at Nurburgring - again Elan was the fastest choice, but I took the Daytona. Same goes for many other tracks - this might sound wrong, but I alway try and have a good race with the fastest of the other guys as those battles are much more intense. This race was quite booring because I was a bit too quick and Ruskus was a bit to slow. It could have well been a real monster of a race if we would have been close together on times as than tirewear and car preservation would come into play and we would have gone nose to tail as we did many many times before


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 12, 2006, 10:20:09 PM +0100
Some of the GTL cars I still really enjoy. I had a blast in the Healey at Donington last week despite never really racing anyone; I love the Capri 3100 and the Alfa and especially the Cortina are aways a giggle. I am spread a bit thin on the ground now though, between the ASRWC, GTL and GTR2. Oh, and the annoyance of a full time job. :D


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Zacari on October 12, 2006, 10:22:11 PM +0100
I don't understand why you really fast guys at the top don't take the slower cars to get more racing. That's the whole point of the ladder points. If you take the fastest cars you're going to have lonely races.

The most important things about these races is....fun. I hate every Porsche in this game, and most the 914. I just can't get it to move (and have a good time). The Beamer could be fun, but is nothing slower than the Escort and the Capri 2600....well..... :yawn:(I can't say it anymore ;D)

I dislike the Porsches too, but I find it more rewarding to fight an ill-handling car up the leaderboard than to run off out front in a faster car.  I'd rather have the battles.  There's nothing wrong with doing either, of course!  That's just what I choose.  Sometimes I forget the world doesn't think like me :-[ :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 12, 2006, 10:33:33 PM +0100
Replay (http://ukgtl.simracing.org.uk/Zolder%20-%20Ladder%20061012.zip) and Provisional Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=219) available.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Mark J on October 13, 2006, 10:10:58 AM +0100

Oh dont worry Dave, the irony wasnt lost on me too  :-[...except on one count, i wasnt trying to win the race, i was minding my own business when i got mugged at the chicane and point 2,   i was already almost a lap down from the chicane incident, then get given a stop and go penalty because 2 of those 'cut tracks' were given to me for involuntarily going off the track, and then losing yet another lap sitting in the pit lane for the penalty, what was the point of continuing ? I had zero chance of racing anybody as i was 2 minutes down after first few laps.
If it had been a GTR or endurance race i would have carried on, but with the shite handling of the escort under braking i would only have thrown it off several times trying to vainly catch up on a lap+.

Why was a stop and go as long as 40 seconds 'stationary' and it looked like it was going to be even longer when i hit the escape key ???

By the by, i am not attaching any blame to the other driver, it was a couple of 'racing incidents'.

Amazing pace up front once again, its quite dis-heartening to know someone is upto 5 seconds a lap quicker in the same car :-[ (Pero can i have your setup please? ;) )...err and your driving skills ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 13, 2006, 10:54:22 AM +0100
Why was a stop and go as long as 40 seconds 'stationary' and it looked like it was going to be even longer when i hit the escape key ???

Sounds like they were changing your tyres and adding fuel instead of serving a stop/go...


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Simon Gymer on October 13, 2006, 11:15:27 AM +0100
Just wondering...if we turn off Black Flags from the server does that effectively ignore corner cutting infringements?


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Mark J on October 13, 2006, 12:49:03 PM +0100
Just wondering...if we turn off Black Flags from the server does that effectively ignore corner cutting infringements?

Gotta be worth a try? But then the more un-scrupulous might take advantage by blatant corner cutting :-\

Zolder is one of the worst for the dreaded 'cut corners' when you run wide / get nudged.  :(

Considering how hard it is to keep these wayward motors on the black stuff in a pack of battling cars, you'd think they would have coded it in better  ???...or at least released a patch to fix it.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: picnic on October 13, 2006, 12:59:32 PM +0100
Yes - shouldn't have been hard to look at total laptime and if you didn't gain an overal advantage to ignore the warning. There will still be a grey area but it would chuck out the blatent gone off track still gets a mandatory count towards the 3 and your out bit.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Simon Gymer on October 13, 2006, 01:25:50 PM +0100
Gotta be worth a try? But then the more un-scrupulous might take advantage by blatant corner cutting :-\

First things first, let's see if it actually works.
Should be very easy to test. If someone hasn't beaten me to it I'll try it tonight when I get home.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 13, 2006, 04:19:41 PM +0100
Just tried no flag rules on the dedi server with the following results:

1. You can jump the start. My first lap in the 914, sitting in the next seat over from the wheel and right foot braking, was a 1:30. :D Not really a problem with a rolling start though.
2. You can indeed cut all the corners you want. Not only that, but it correctly logs all laps. Woo!
3. You can speed in the pit lane. Not so good - although UKGTL doesn't normally use pit stops unless you've broken the car.

On balance I think we could sanction running with no flag rules in UKGTL. UKGTR Endurance will be a different conversation...


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Simon Gymer on October 13, 2006, 06:29:17 PM +0100
Just tried no flag rules on the dedi server with the following results:

1. You can jump the start. My first lap in the 914, sitting in the next seat over from the wheel and right foot braking, was a 1:30. :D Not really a problem with a rolling start though.
2. You can indeed cut all the corners you want. Not only that, but it correctly logs all laps. Woo!
3. You can speed in the pit lane. Not so good - although UKGTL doesn't normally use pit stops unless you've broken the car.

On balance I think we could sanction running with no flag rules in UKGTL. UKGTR Endurance will be a different conversation...

Cool, thanks. Was just firing up my GTL Server now when I read your post so saves me the work.
We need to talk about how to police corner cutting though as this could very easily be abused. When you are on your own in a race there is nothing stopping you cutting a corner massively doing this and no one else would notice cause they hadn't seen you and therefore would go unreported. I do think it's very dangerous so we need to be careful but going ahead and changing this just cause Blimey! couldn't be arsed to write the corner cutting code very well.


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Mark J on October 14, 2006, 09:40:34 AM +0100
Maybe just use the rule at tracks where corner cut warnings are a real pain in the arse, like Zolder  ???

Thanks for testing guys.  8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Ladder - GTC-76 @ Zolder - 12th October
Post by: Simon Gymer on October 14, 2006, 03:43:53 PM +0100
Maybe just use the rule at tracks where corner cut warnings are a real pain in the arse, like Zolder  ???

Most circuits have a chicane, so most will suffer from the possibility of major corner cutting.