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Title: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: Phil Thornton on September 18, 2020, 10:31:39 PM +0100
Season 37 – 1955 Grand Prix – Round 4 – Avus
The fourth race in the 1955 Grand Prix series finds us at Automobil Verkehrs und Ubungs-Strasse near Berlin in Gemany. In English the name means "Automobile traffic and training road" and it is commonly known as AVUS.  The track is a public road which was opened in 1921, it is the oldest controlled-access highway in Europe. Until 1998, it was also used as a motor racing circuit. Today, the AVUS forms the northern part of the Bundesautobahn 115.

At the time of opening, AVUS was ​12 miles (19 1⁄2 km) long, each straight was approximately half the length of the track. The straights were joined at each end by flat, large-radius curves. The races were driven counter-clockwise. The track has been extensively modified over the years, in1936 the north curve was turned into a steeply banked turn (43°). It was made of bricks and didn't have a retaining barrier so cars could easily fly over the top! As the popularity of racing on straights declined the length of the straights was reduced. By 1961 the banked corners were considered too dangerous and were outlawed, so flat turns were used instead. Finally chicanes were introduced before racing finally ended in 1998.

Today we will use the 1950 layout. It is shorter than the original but it is still a mighty 5.187 miles long and features the awesome banked Nordkurve.
 
Please read the championship specific rules on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1112&theme=6).

Race listiGOR
ServerUKGPL_4
IP address77.102.28.179
Date20-09-2020
Trackavus50s (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=2729)
Mod55GP with 60fpsV2newmod
DamagePRO long
Race time~ 21:30 UK time
Qualifying 20:45 UK time - 45 minutes
Race length20 laps
Replay here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JDpsQPequT-iR8jkcjQ9e0M20GwVEtr-/view?usp=sharing)

Please restrict chat to emergency messages only including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Password: see above (#post_event_password)
Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1112&theme=6)

Handicapping and chassis allocation.
The 1955 Grand Prix cars will be using a token system which allows drivers to purchase any chassis of their choice for a given number of tokens as published on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1112&theme=6). Drivers classed as Privateers will be allocated an additional 10 tokens.  The tokens available to each driver will be published in the race announcement. See table below.

Available Tokens:
Note: These are the tokens available to each driver before the 10 tokens are added for making the race start.

Driver        Tokens  Status
Alain Maurice
15
Works
bagrupp
15
Works
Clive Loynes
35
Works
Cookie
5
Works
Doni Yourth
35
Works
Dulima
15
Works
Enrique Farina
25
Works
EvilClive
13
Works
fpolicardi
7
Works
JonnyO
20
Works
Phil Thornton
20
Works
Raoni Frizzo
20
Works
Albert Hallu
30
Privateer
bernie
11
Privateer
covisi2016
20
Privateer
Daniel_San
20
Privateer
francesco
20
Privateer
maddog
15
Privateer
PaulV
10
Privateer
Ricardo Valim da Silva
25
Privateer
tagomago
25
Privateer


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on September 19, 2020, 11:35:19 AM +0100
Oh goodie!

Another race that I can make a mess of!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: Phil Thornton on September 19, 2020, 06:35:28 PM +0100
It's only race 4 Clive, your luck will change for the better soon  ;)

Practice server is up on iGOR if anyone would like to practice slipstreaming. I'm pretty sure it is going to be a major feature of this race  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on September 19, 2020, 08:39:51 PM +0100
Thanks for the encouragement Phil.

Is it bad luck to run over the snail on the back straight?   >:D  That should have everyone looking for the snail instead of proper practice.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: EvilClive on September 19, 2020, 09:53:56 PM +0100
Isn't "snail" ( escargot)  the nickname for the Gordini???

Running over a Gordini sounds like you are getting a little too competitive Clive ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on September 19, 2020, 09:59:44 PM +0100
.....................sounds like you are getting a little too competitive Clive ::)

Well it's about time!   >:(


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: EvilClive on September 20, 2020, 11:16:38 AM +0100
Beware the slumbering beast!!!  When he girds his Loynes, stand well back  :scared: :scared:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: bernie on September 20, 2020, 08:26:36 PM +0100
Do we brits drive on the left here ?



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: Gareth on September 20, 2020, 09:46:53 PM +0100
I cant believe I did that. ???
Grats to Clives, both impressive times.
Thanks admins for organising.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: bagrupp on September 20, 2020, 10:07:43 PM +0100
nice fights with evil and phil, but too fast out of the final corner...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: Ricardo Valim da Silva on September 20, 2020, 10:14:31 PM +0100
very disappointed, with a 20 coin mercedes they took me out of the race on the 2nd lap, beast mistake.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: francesco on September 20, 2020, 10:40:39 PM +0100
Phil,I am wrong or you have lost a wheel 10 mt before the finish?If yes is real bad luck.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: Phil Thornton on September 20, 2020, 11:26:12 PM +0100
You are right Fran, I made a mess of the very last corner and ended up smashing into the wall and loosing 2 wheels. Just missed limping over the line by a few metres. I was trying to take it easy because there was no way Clive was going to be able to pass me on the Nordkurve but for some reason the car bottomed out (I heard a scraping sound) and I ran wide and clipped the brick kerb which flicked me into the wall. I won't make that mistake again, that brick kerb is a different colour so I should have been able to avoid it. Other than that it was a great race for me. A lot of retirements, I need to look at the replay to find out why, I suspect it was mainly down to the tricky Südkehre.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: JonnyO on September 20, 2020, 11:26:39 PM +0100
I will protest !!!! I want my money back ....... Mercedes gave me a broken engine for the race. :cursing:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: Phil Thornton on September 20, 2020, 11:39:39 PM +0100
I will protest !!!! I want my money back ....... Mercedes gave me a broken engine for the race. :cursing:
Very unlucky JonnyO, an engine blowing up at the start is rare.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: francesco on September 21, 2020, 05:42:34 AM +0100
Quote
I ran wide and clipped the brick kerb
Same for me around lap 6-7.I was immediately behind you and Evil,i lost the possibility to overtake  both car but i was able to continue.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: maestro57 on September 21, 2020, 08:20:25 AM +0100
Hi All

1st race back after quite a few years away from sim racing

and 1st time driving the 55 mod, lots of fun and realise how rusty i am

I disco'd after a number of laps in race which was really annoying as was having a good race with two others

I had also disco'd in practice and qualifying

I checked my internet connection and had good ping (18ms) and up (35mb) and down speeds (9mb)

any suggestions on settings, patches or PC config i should check/change?

i see in results lots of others disco'd too. was that though choice due to crash or network like me?

any advice/help much appreciated

cheers

Peter





Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: EvilClive on September 21, 2020, 08:50:06 AM +0100
Grats to Clive ( looks like he has his mojo back) and Doni who drove a very steady race to 2nd spot.

I confess that taking the Gordini was a big gamble, but my token account was looking a little empty with so many fast tracks still to race. I also reasoned that Avus is always a track where there are multiple casualties and the Sudkerve always claims multiple victims. So, driving the Gordini and aiming for survival might cost me nothing, but might just score a few points.
I actually did some offline practice to sort out the gears and brakes, but the big hole in the Gordini's performance is the start!! With only 4 gears and low power setting the ratios for the slipstream is essential, but spreading the 4 gears to drag the little snail up to top speed is a nightmare. If 1st gear is too high then the car can hardly drag itself off the grid allowing all of those lovely tow trucks to escape on the first lap!! So I practised the start, and the use of the clutch, over and over....but still almost messed up the start and had to dip the clutch go again.
Fortunately, I got the little car up to speed quite quickly and sat myself behind one of the huge Silver Arrows down to The Sudkerve for the first lap. All my plans almost went t*ts up at the first braking point when a group of Merc SL's applied their brakes about 200mtrs earlier than I was planning to do in the Gordini!!! I only just avoided taking out a few of those Mercs  ::).
I was never going to overtake an SL, but I quickly realised that my little car was much faster through the Nordkerve and under braking, but with a silver road block ahead I could not take advantage of that  :-\
There were a few casualties in the early laps and I found myself in 3rd place!!! Doni was ahead following Clive, but after avoiding a few cars that lost control under braking, Doni was frustratingly just a few metres beyond the slipstream range and I could not get the tow that would have dragged me away from chasing pack and perhaps take me all the way to the finish?.
After a few more laps I was joined by Phil and later by Bastian and so began a mutual slipstream event , until Bastian got the banking a little wrong and that left Phil and myself running 3rd/4th.
By swapping slipstream we were able to maintain the gap back to Fran's SL and it was possible that we could keep our places all the way to the finish  :)

That was how it worked until we caught Fulvio to lap his Lancia and suddenly we had a much faster car with us on the straights. I knew from a rehearsal on lap 15 that if I was faster through the right hander before the Nordkerve and if I was ahead there I could hiold Phil at bay until I crossed the line. So, the plan for the last lap, was to let Phil be in front at the Sudkerve, slipstream him up the return straight and draft past before the righthander to take a glorious 3rd place.
Brilliant plan, which almost worked lol. But... Fulvio's Lancia ( no complaints Fulvio you were very careful to not influence our race ) found itself  ahead of Phil and gave Phil a little extra speed that I could not match. I was resigned to 4th place as we entered the Nordkerve for the last time, but that was way, way better than I had hoped for.
Even my wife said that she overheard my shocked cry  when Phil went off right at the end of the banking, presenting me with a gift of 3rd place in the Escargot.
I really felt for Phil as he had driven a faultless race, whereas I had made a few mistakes and made a some miraculous escapes to get to the flag.

Commiserations to those who did not reach the finish, and congratulations to those who did.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on September 21, 2020, 09:58:21 AM +0100
Just my sort of race, nice and simple!  Start from the front, avoid being taken out in the first corner (Don't know how as I thought it was a certainty!), pull away from the pack and drive to the finish.  Although I almost managed to talk myself into binning it on the last lap!

Well done Doni and Fran.  Evil's third place was astounding!  I can't begin to tell you how disappointed I was to see that!   :P



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: EvilClive on September 21, 2020, 10:32:02 AM +0100
What can I say?
It was your inspirational remark about a snail on the return straight that did it Clive, after that it had to be the Gordini  ::)....I knew that you would be secretly pleased  ;)



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on September 21, 2020, 01:58:30 PM +0100
And very hard luck on JonnyO.  I think that the last time that I can remember that happening was around about Season10.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: Alain Maurice on September 21, 2020, 02:53:05 PM +0100
Good morning all

Cautious start anyway I was last I think.

A few places gained following the accidents until I hit the wall on the pit side at the end of the turn.
The result was a maximum speed of 230klh before breaking my engine on the leader's 13th lap but only 9 for me, so I wasn't even classified, too bad.

Congratulations to the Winners and thank you to all


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: Doni Yourth on September 21, 2020, 06:22:12 PM +0100
Hearty congratulation to Clive Loynes for a convincing victory.  Pole position, FTD and the win.  Doesn't get any better.

Fantastic run for Evil to put the little French puddle-jumper on the podium.  Really quite an admirable performance but in the same breath, I have to say that I'm shocked and dismayed to see Phil's excellent run come to grief within sight of the flag.  Shades of J. R. Hildebrand at Indy, 2011.

I didn't bother to look for a tow in qualifying and in hindsight, that cost me.  Starting P6 gave away too much to Clive and those ahead.  Ahhh, except for Jonny, of course.  Mon Dieu!  What a tragedy!  I had a similar result in a UKGPL race with GP65 cars some years ago at Montjuic.  Joined the grid, was warming up the engine at about 7K when WAMO!

Gareth having the misfortune to stuff it comprehensively at the end of Lap01 handed me P2 with some clearance behind.  Clive was almost in reach and I worked to close but a serious gaffe coming off the banking cost me dearly and I could see the writing on the wall.  For the balance of the race, I just cruised satisfied with P2.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on September 21, 2020, 11:29:09 PM +0100
Thanks Doni and well done for coming in 2nd.


Gareth having the misfortune to stuff it comprehensively at the end of Lap01 handed me P2 with some clearance behind. 


I think he probably forgot to allow for the fact that I was towing him down the straight and so he arrived at the right-hander at more than normal Lancia speed.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: EvilClive on September 22, 2020, 09:15:23 AM +0100
Well observed Clive.  ;) I think I saw Gareth's demise at the right hander and had to take avoiding action to avoid Lancia bits ( I think there was another car involved too ). That hesitation was where I think I  lost the opportunity to get my tow rope onto the back of Doni's car.

The change in braking distance was something that became very noticeable in the Gordini, because when I picked up a good tow, my top speed went from 162mph ( in clear air ) up to 175mph or higher if I hooked up to one of the SL's. In fact I had a couple of lucky escapes at the hairpin early in the race when I thought that I had the braking under control....but I clearly didn't and ran around the concrete wall scraping chrome off the wheels.

There is that gut wrenching moment with the 55's when you realise that the retardation has evaporated at the last moment and the corner (and the barriers ) are approaching far too quickly  :scared: :scared:  I seem to experience that far too often lately  :-\


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: Gareth on September 22, 2020, 11:34:27 AM +0100
Nothing to do with streaming, it was just a mistake.
If you think there was other cars involved or that is where you lost the tow I think you should watch the replay.  ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: EvilClive on September 22, 2020, 12:36:47 PM +0100
.......just watched the replay and I think I must have been breathing in too many exhaust fumes?? There was definitely another red car bouncing around, honest guv!!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: Enrique Farina on September 26, 2020, 03:21:05 AM +0100
I could not avoid hitting Ricardo (I think that blow left him out ... :hang: sorry Ricardo) and restart badly, hitting another car, I went to the grass and goodbye motor.
   mine is terrible in this season and in other leagues, I am sorry if and some riders are uncomfortable, it is just lack of training due to overwork :no:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: bernie on September 26, 2020, 12:45:31 PM +0100
Never let work interfere with your GPL,  its far to important  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: Gareth on September 26, 2020, 02:04:07 PM +0100
I will protest !!!! I want my money back ....... Mercedes gave me a broken engine for the race. :cursing:
Very unlucky JonnyO, an engine blowing up at the start is rare.
Surly you wont charged for the Merc as you didnt start the race.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1955 GP - AVUS - Sep 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on September 26, 2020, 03:14:04 PM +0100
I will protest !!!! I want my money back ....... Mercedes gave me a broken engine for the race. :cursing:
Very unlucky JonnyO, an engine blowing up at the start is rare.
Surly you wont charged for the Merc as you didnt start the race.

Hmmm........

This is getting expensive.

A driver must cross the start line at least once under race conditions to qualify as a starter (this is determined automatically by GPL not by the moderating staff).  This means if a driver makes the grid he must actually cross the start line to qualify as a starter, simply making the grid is not sufficient.  Similarly if a driver fails to make the grid but decides to start from the pit lane, he must cross the start line at least once under race conditions to qualify as a starter.  Depending on where his pit box is in relation to the start line, this may mean he needs to complete a full lap in order to cross the start line.  Drivers must start the race to be eligible for the 10 tokens "start money".

Ouch!