Title: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1967 F1 Sprint - Wiesbaden - Oct 11 Post by: Rainier on October 03, 2020, 05:37:21 PM +0100 Season 37 F1 SPRINT – Round 6 – WIESBADEN
The sixth race in the 1967 F1 SPRINT series takes us to Wiesbaden in Germany. The Wiesbadener Automobiel-Turnier was an event first organised in the early 1920s. Apart from the Hohe Wurzel hillclimb and a gymkhana, it also included races for sports- and racing cars titled Rund um den Neroberg from 1924-1929 and in 1931. Motorcycles were also catered for at least once, in 1927. The races were originally held on an eight-shaped 12.5 km circuit north of the city, which comprised 86 curves through undulating terrain. Large parts of this course seem to have vanished since. The sole documented fastest lap is Hans Stuck's 9.22,0 = 80.1 km/h (1928). In 1931, the race took place once more, now on a shortened, or possibly completely new, 4.6 km circuit. Bugatti-driver HeinrichJoachim von Morgen clocked the fastest lap in 2.41,4 = 102.6 km/h. The new course was used just once, because after 1931 the Neroberg races were dropped in favour of grass track races at the airfield of Erbenheim, just south-east of Wiesbaden. That same airfield was later paved and hosted a one-off auto race in 1958. The next races in Wiesbaden took place in May 1935 and 1936 as part of the Wiesbadener Motorsportkämpfe, which was more or less the successor of the Automobiel-Turnier mentioned above. The event included a long-distance regularity run, but also a speed event (Hochleistungsprüfung) on a 7.48 km street circuit in Wiesbaden, for touring cars, sports cars and motorcycles, although it should be noted there is a possibility these actually used some sort of time trial-like format. Server = UKGPL_10 IP = 217.155.118.41 Race date = Sunday 11-10-2020 Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT) Track = WIESBADEN (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=1156) Race length = 29 Laps (50 minutes) Variant = 1967 60fps patch used = 60fpsV2newmod Damage Model = Intermediate Qualifying time = 30-45 minutes Replay = here (https://www.sendspace.com/file/spzpdh) Password: see above (#post_event_password) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1152&theme=6) Please check the Season 37 details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1102&theme=6) regarding rules and the 1967 F1 Sprint Championship pages (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1152&theme=6) in particular. Drivers must complete 50% of each race to score. "Works" drivers are not allowed any resets. "Privateer" drivers are allowed a maximum of one reset with a compulsory Stop & Go within two laps. Drivers are reminded that Lap 1 incidents carry an extra 1 place penalty. Only reported incidents will be moderated. The chassis token system is explained on the championship standings page. Please ensure you choose a chassis that is within your budget, which can be seen by hovering the mouse over your points total in the standings. Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line. Works drivers are : Angex Bagrupp Doni Yourth Pepe Higdon Ricardo Da Silva Dulima Phil Thornton Baab MagicArsouille Arf Arf Arf Gareth Iestyn Davies DuFossa Markus Friedrich Privateers drivers are : Albert Hallu Billy Nobrakes Dave Curtis David Sochenna PaulV Francesco Bernie Darwin karliss Daniel_San Badblood Maestro57 Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1967 F1 Sprint - Wiesbaden - Oct 11 Post by: dave curtis on October 04, 2020, 01:10:29 AM +0100 I was seeiing duplicate/mirrored white lines on track, which was rather distracting. However, installing a really early nvidia driver (& re-applying the same nvidia inspector profile) seems to have corrected that. - just mentioning in case anyone else finds similar? Cheers, Dave. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1967 F1 Sprint - Wiesbaden - Oct 11 Post by: Pepe Higdon on October 11, 2020, 06:04:22 PM +0100 I was a little surprised to see a relatively peaceful, open track like Goodwood replaced with this city venue consisting of eight, blind 90o corners, most of which I'll be taking in first gear. Let's hope the inevitable pile ups occur in one of the wider streets, because if we get clogged up in that constricted section between turns 7-10, none of us may get out alive. :)
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1967 F1 Sprint - Wiesbaden - Oct 11 Post by: BadBlood on October 11, 2020, 08:12:46 PM +0100 Not sure I like this track much. Not sure I will get OUT of first gear...
Pity Goodwood has issues. It is lovely. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1967 F1 Sprint - Wiesbaden - Oct 11 Post by: BadBlood on October 11, 2020, 09:40:39 PM +0100 Well - got out of first a couple of times but the engine let go on Lap 3 - did about 30 practice laps not a problem. I was a moving chicane anyway so decided not to bother with the Shift-R. Might actually practice before Sunday for the next one. ;D
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1967 F1 Sprint - Wiesbaden - Oct 11 Post by: AnGex on October 11, 2020, 09:51:25 PM +0100 Hit the Green Flag for the Race and GPL decided to stop working... >:(
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1967 F1 Sprint - Wiesbaden - Oct 11 Post by: Billy Nobrakes on October 11, 2020, 10:06:48 PM +0100 What a dreadful track.
Been happier to take my chances of a disco at glorious Goodwood rather than this tip pot place. Was hitting 1.42's in practice but nothing near that tonight. Apologies to anyone I made contact with. I simply wasn't able to drive the track. Quit after a coming together with Fran. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1967 F1 Sprint - Wiesbaden - Oct 11 Post by: bagrupp on October 11, 2020, 10:28:50 PM +0100 First time hit this track tonite was quite ok.
Sorry Bob for not seeing you in lap 2.That looked bad, at least no one had to retire there. My Fault.... Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1967 F1 Sprint - Wiesbaden - Oct 11 Post by: francesco on October 11, 2020, 10:29:09 PM +0100 Good start gaining the 8th place but at lap 3 smoke from the engine, at lap 23 header and stopped race.
The only luck was the touch with Billy,for me was without consequence. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1967 F1 Sprint - Wiesbaden - Oct 11 Post by: Pepe Higdon on October 11, 2020, 11:51:14 PM +0100 This is a new track for me and, as city tracks go, I actually prefer it to places like Monaco, Pau, and Turin. Still, it is unforgiving, as I quickly discovered in practice. The intermediate damage model setting seemed to me to be producing pro level damage results in the Cooper's handling. I concluded that the only way to get through this place was to do so as carefully as possible and let others subject themselves to the inevitable laws of attrition.
I qualified with a PB 1:42.00 in fourth behind three guys who were clearly faster than I was and just ahead of Doni and Bastian who were not long to be denied. I know my place in the UKGPL food chain, and although I am classified as a "works" driver, I am not one of that class who works but the one who gets worked. I understand that and accept my fate without my customary pissing and moaning. For me the only question as I sat on the starting grid was how long I would be able to hold Doni and Bastian back, a question that was answered within the first 100 yards. With my sloppy start, I found myself in 6th place before the field reached the first turn. Still, that was essentially the end of my angst. I avoided early idiocy, wasn't nearby when the death angel came calling, and stayed away from trouble in the trouble spots. Soon the field lengthened out and by the end I was about 16 seconds behind Bastian and 16 seconds ahead of Phil. It had been a rather lonely drive, but in the midst of a cold city, even loneliness occasionally is something to be cherished. I do want to send a shout out to the back markers, all of whom were outstanding in giving way to my approach. There was one instance where one driver,. having been passed by me, thought it would be fun to race me to T1. I'm not going to review that incident on the replay because I want to leave this pretty city thinking kindly of my time here. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1967 F1 Sprint - Wiesbaden - Oct 11 Post by: dave curtis on October 11, 2020, 11:55:18 PM +0100 Server replay available from: here (https://www.sendspace.com/file/spzpdh)
Also added to event details page. Had some issues with the import, results will be added when possible. In the meantime, here are some details: RACE RESULTS (After 29 laps) Pos No Driver Team Nat Laps Race Time Diff 1 18 Markus Friedrich BRM GER 29 49m17.336s 2 11 Doni67 BRM CAN 29 50m04.460s 47.124s 3 10 Dave Curtis Brabham GBR 29 50m07.823s 50.487s 4 5 Bastian Grupp Cooper GER 29 50m17.348s 1m00.012s 5 12 Pepe Higdon Cooper USA 29 50m41.984s 1m24.648s 6 15 Phil Thornton Brabham GBR 29 50m59.049s 1m41.713s 7 13 Dulima Dulima BRM BRA 28 49m58.754s 1 lap(s) 8 16 Bernie Darwin Brabham GBR 27 49m26.398s 2 lap(s) 9 6 Fran67 Molteni Brabham ITA 23 42m42.125s 6 lap(s) 10 9 David Sochenna Brabham POR 17 32m23.962s 12 lap(s) 11 3 Albert Hallu BRM BRA 16 30m23.032s 13 lap(s) 12 1 Billy NoBrakes67 Brabham GBR 14 26m16.848s 15 lap(s) 13 19 Peter Byles67 Honda GBR 14 26m59.216s 15 lap(s) 14 17 Bob Whitwell BRM GBR 2 3m42.269s 27 lap(s) 15 20 Paul Whitfield Cooper GBR 2 3m58.673s 27 lap(s) 16 14 Billy NoBrakes67 Brabham GBR 0 DidNotStart 29 lap(s) 17 8 Andreas Gebhardt Cooper GER 0 DidNotStart 29 lap(s) Hopefully no track-limits will apply: ON TRACK LAPS Driver Laps/Total Percent Pepe Higdon (0/29) 0.00 Bernie Darwin (0/27) 0.00 Markus Friedrich (0/29) 0.00 Peter Byles67 (0/14) 0.00 David Sochenna (0/17) 0.00 Dulima Dulima (0/28) 0.00 Doni67 (0/29) 0.00 Paul Whitfield (0/2) 0.00 Fran67 Molteni (0/23) 0.00 Phil Thornton (0/29) 0.00 Bob Whitwell (0/2) 0.00 Dave Curtis (0/29) 0.00 Bastian Grupp (0/29) 0.00 Albert Hallu (0/16) 0.00 Billy NoBrakes67 (0/14) 0.00 Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1967 F1 Sprint - Wiesbaden - Oct 11 Post by: bernie on October 12, 2020, 11:01:31 AM +0100 Unlike most I enjoyed this track which I thought was more like Mexico than Monaco , so naturally I loaded my Rouen set up for the race ! By Lap 2 I was in 8th place but had to over brake to avoid rear ending Fran & causing a massive chain reaction , my off lost me a stack of places having to wait for everyone to pass before I could recover , I then hit the barriers going into the twizzely bit and the re bound sent me into the Honda of P Byles sending him into a bit of a twizz ( sorry for that, hope it didn't ruin your race too much ) ::) Billy drove through the carnage but then lost it coming out of the hairpin , so I got my next to last place back again . Somehow finished 8th only 2 laps down in a pretty lonely race , what an achievement :)
Grats to the podium and all finishers :) Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1967 F1 Sprint - Wiesbaden - Oct 11 Post by: BadBlood on October 12, 2020, 05:44:00 PM +0100 Well, wish I had uploaded a Rouen set up Bernie. Unfortunately my setup was much more "ruin". I managed to make the friendly coop into a wild beast :(
Went for a quick look at Solitude. Not sure what sort of time would be competitive but my 4:15 sighter lap certainly would not be ;D Took that down to 3:58 and caught a few slides and started to really enjoy myself. Then I crashed... If I can take another 30 seconds off I might not qualify at the back... lol. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1967 F1 Sprint - Wiesbaden - Oct 11 Post by: Markus Friedrich on October 12, 2020, 07:50:48 PM +0100 Congrats to Doni and Dave for the podium and grats to all finishers as well! A city track like this one does not forgive a lot of mistakes.
In the beginning I did not like the track as well. The stop-and-go characteristic prevented me from finding a rhythm. I even thought about skipping this race. I really needed some practice before I started to like the circuit. Eventually I liked braking into these slow corners and I had quite some fun. After quali I was surprised being over 1s faster than anybody except Bob. I think this track needs a good amount of training and focus to stay out of the barriers for 29 laps. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1967 F1 Sprint - Wiesbaden - Oct 11 Post by: Phil Thornton on October 12, 2020, 07:54:02 PM +0100 I'm not a great fan of this track either. Too "Point and Squirt" for me and a bit slippery. However, that doesn't mean there are not lessons to be learnt here. Markus and Doni showed what can be done with the heavy BRM, it looks like they have mastered the hard braking and hard acceleration better than me. I was trying to get the power down early and to use the throttle to rotate the car but I'm obviously not good enough at executing that technique without generating excessive oversteer (which cost me lap time). A better setup would have helped but developing that is a skill in itself.
So for me, whilst I didn't like the track, the race has highlighted an area I need to work on ::) I had an engine explode in qually. It went bang over the bump on the main straight. So in the race I lifted over the bump to make sure I didn't over-rev the engine and so it survived the entire race. Grats to Dave on a podium and top placed Privateer. Well deserved, great driving. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 37 (2020) 1967 F1 Sprint - Wiesbaden - Oct 11 Post by: Doni Yourth on October 12, 2020, 08:48:16 PM +0100 Fine drive to the win, Markus! Bit of a runaway for you and if anyone was going to challenge, that evaporated early when anyone up to it managed to shoot themselves in the foot.
Quite pleased with a P2 finish. I set a time here in April, 2019, with the BRM which was precisely equal to Markus' qualifying time but for our race yesterday, I couldn't repeat it. Started P5 and the got the jump on Pepe to gain a place and be P4. Dave went a bit wide in T1 and had to lift allowing me to be Jonny On The Spot to steal P3. That soon became P2 when Baab spun in T1 on Lap02. Looking good so far. Baab's race was rapidly going into the toilet with a hefty collision on Lap02 when Bastian pinched him off. Lap03 and a gruesome fate. Stuck in the fence at T1. A sad end to the day. Starting Lap08, I thought that I'd sneak a sip from my cup of tea on the front straight. That done, I fumbled putting the cup back onto my desk and that had me wrong-footed for T1. Spun and clipped the bales. Just as easily could have ended up like Baab but no, the gods were with me. Dave and Bastian passed to demote me to P4 and I chided myself for making an unforced error. I lit up the BRM in chase and when he got the rollercoaster section after the arch wrong on Lap10, I was cleanly by Bastian in a flash. Dave was next on the menu but fully six seconds ahead. It would be a tough go to reel him in but as Bastian was getting ever smaller in my mirrors, I was free to concentrate on narrowing DC's lead. Lap14 and somewhat thanks to traffic and yellow flags, I was within sniffing distance of Dave's Brabham. Dashing into T1 on Lap15, it was deja vu all over again in a repeat of Lap01 as Dave went wide and I snuck underneath him for the place. Barely a lap later and in trying to finesse my way through the rollercoaster, the BRM got away from me and spun. I planted the throttle and luckily, the nose came 'round to face the right way for me to continue with Dave right on my tail. Talk about dodging a bullet! Managed to run off the last dozen laps without dramas keeping DC back just a handful of seconds. Markus long gone. Pepe a good run to P5. Well done, bud. |