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A quick bit of fun in the GPL67 F1 monsters - another series that may well make an appearance in the future..
No ballasting or modding of performance here - so just pick your favourite and man/woman up, or be a glory seeker and pick the Lotus....


Password: see above

Practice: 19:30 (45 mins)
Qual: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30  (30 Laps)


Cars allowed:
3l 1967 F1 from the GPL67 mod.
I've put them on dropbox for now as the original download was apparently VERY slow:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o719sdx2kohk668/AC%20GPL67%20V2.20.rar?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/o719sdx2kohk668/AC%20GPL67%20V2.20.rar?dl=0)

You MUST follow these instructions in order to install the mod:

Packs needed:
Dream pack 3 from Steam for the Lotus 33 to work (we're not using it in this series though)
Ferrari DLC from Steam

Installing the Lotus 49 =

You need the original Kunos Lotus 49 install file:

    Extract folders content and texture to your AC install: …\SteamLibrary\SteamApps\common\assettocorsa\
    Goto …\SteamLibrary\SteamApps\common\assettocorsa\content\cars\lotus_49
    In this folder: Copy the lotus_49.kn5 file
    Within \cars folder, goto \ gpl67_lotus_49
    Paste lotus_49.kn5 here!

Installing the Ferrari 312 =

You need the Ferrari DLC pack from steam:)

    Extract folders content and texture to your AC install: …\SteamLibrary\SteamApps\common\assettocorsa\
    Goto:
    ..\SteamLibrary\SteamApps\common\assettocorsa\content\cars\ ks_ferrari_312_67
    In this folder: Copy the ferrari_312_67.kn5 file
    Within \cars folder, goto \ gpl67_ferrari_312
    Paste ferrari_312_67.kn5 here!

Track: Belgium - Zolder '67
https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/zolder-1967-v-2.18383/

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Live Timing: here (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat)

Time of Day Setting: 15:00
Weather: Mid-clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: Not required

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=0
SESSION_TRANSFER=N/a

Damage: 80%

Password: see above

PLP App - Not used in this series. Cutting will be monitored on replay and penalties issued for excessive cutting.

I'll try to join this one, but not sure I can.

I mentioned this event in VDA forum, so if I won't be there at least I'll try to send you some old GPL drivers like our granpa Lalethor to race with  ;D ;D

Do we need to choose a car so they can be allocated on server or do we just pick what's left when we join?

As this is a fun race I'm not going to do assigned cars - if people can give me an idea before Tuesday of what they are going to drive I can try and ensure there are enough of the relevant cars on the server for the race. No guarantees it'll work though.

The Ferrari is crazy!

Hey Tim, I tried the Eagle yesterday and would like to drive this for tonights race. Can you make sure these are available then please? Tnx

Sorry to Jos, Syd and Maxime for not reacting on your message. It is a bitch typing in VR, sorry.  :P

If all of the other cars are anyting like the one car I tried yesterday, then I am all for a series with them. Couldn't stop driving! Jolly good fun.

I'll be able to have a minimum of 3 of each - but obviously I only need to know if 4 or 5 people want to drive the same car as 2 of them will be dissapointed.

As for driving characteristics - they are al different but behave much like the Eagle.
The mod has it's Physics based on replicating GPL = so it's a 4 wheel drift mod :D

That was frankly brilliant! ;D
Glad we did it, as I realised while sitting on the grid that I can 'fix' the BRM simply by disabling tire wear - so it matches the other cars.

It's still slow, but with equal tires and some seriously angry driving it will then have a chance of actually competing 8)

WD to Fabri and Maxime on filling the podium, and al others who finished.

Hopefully there is some interest in running these after the DTMs?
I think they could be great fun if I can have a rummage for suitably old GPL circuits (That aren't carp conversions).

I joined late with only a few laps practise. Had intended to just follow the pack and build up speed as the race went on. That lasted about 5 corners before I was wiped out by Kimi and Stefan having an accident  whilst at full chat  :( My car was totalled, dragged its crabbing carcass to the pits but couldn’t see where to stop due to all the people standing in the pit Lane  :P ???
Spent rest of session trying various ffb settings to get better feel for these cars.

Unfortunately I had fps issues throughout the race, this reduced a lot the fun.

Nice track, nice cars. I am a fan of the F1 '60s.  :)
Congratulations to everyone for the race.

I'm more interested in a championship with these than with the DTM.  :angel:

Was looking forward to this one. At the start managed to out drag Tim, but Matteo was even faster of the line and overtook us both into T1. When Matteo crossed my line I had to brake a little harder then expected and had to recover a sliding car. That put me back some places.

Then had an accident with Kimi and that was it really. That is what GPL is I guess. @Kimi, did you just not see me at your right? Or where you trying to toughen it out with me? Just curious, as you had the better line for the next left hander over the hill and could have left a little more space..
After waiting for an eternity in the pits I went out for the remaining of the race. Car felt great, just have to get used to the brake power and balance as that is all over the place with these cars.

Defenately should do a series with these cars.

Found out after the race it actually looks better in VR without PP enabled, but you miss brake ligths. So that is not usable for online sadly.

F1 cars don't have brake lights :P

Enjoyed that one. Would have been happy driving any of these cars but concentrated on setting up the Ferrari to a point where it wasn't trying to kill me. Ferrari also has the prettiest cockpit which if I'm going to have to look at it for 45 minutes is important to me.

Decided to give quali a chance this time but once again start was almost a disaster as I had to get out of the throttle to avoid tail ending Tim who was slower off the line than I had expected (or maybe in that unique instant I was faster than Tim  :D) Unfortunately I was then side swiped into the pit wall by Maxime as he passed me, who in fairness seemed to be avoiding a car to his left but I lost more places. Do you guys use Helicorsa?

Race settled down and I gave chase to Syd who I eventually passed after a nice battle and then caught up with Frex who made a small mistake at the last chicane which let me through. My tyre app was showing no wear at the end of the race with an estimated 3000 ish laps of medium grip available so I'm sure disabling tyre wear won't have any adverse affects.


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Spa '66  :thumbup2: It's out there but I have it if you can't find it. Monaco '66 is also available but the racing there is **** so I won't mention it!

Only tried a couple of the cars so far but already liking these - certainly brings back the GPL memories..

Started well but a couple of small errors lost me the places I had gained. Then had a decent fight with GT for some laps - he was much quicker but I could get good exits in all the right places to just about fend him off for awhile, until I put a wheel on the dirt just before the final chicane and he got by. Good fun though, would definitely be up for a series with these.

Congrats Fabri and podium.

Tried the Honda after I saw that McLaren was easily on 25's with some tweaks, so I went for the car I hate more in this mod.

The result is that I will never drive that car again. No confidence in brakes, understeer everywhere. Simply not funny at all for my taste.

My race ended up with my XXX Honda doggy styling a catarifrangant at the exit of last corner for at least 30 seconds of pure lust. Then I pressed esc and watched a bit the lonely drifter Muttram 8), that was surely more fun than driving the Honda.

Bravo Fabri on that shitbox, aswell as Tim on his 500 bhp shopping cart, and Maxime.

See you for the next.

What happend there was that I lost bit control over jump and car went maybe 10 cm wide, sorry for that, I take a blame. I guess pitcrew went to holidays 'cause there was nobody to fix car after accident, good looking racing all over track anyway, cars are ok but seems like some cars have some issues. BRM is only car what I tryied because H16, but I guess all are based Kunos cars.

Only the Ferrari and Lotus are Kunos based (Physics are deffinately not Kunos as are best guesses at emulating the real GPL cars) - I'm not sure where the models have been taken from/based on, It's possible the old GPLEA files were far more detailed than was ever obvious in GPL (and the final models still look bloody amazing now, 23 years after the game shipped).

As for bugs, the only one I'm aware of is the tire bug on the BRM. Everything else behaves roughly like it's GPL counterpart. I've not even noticed any fuelling bugs on these beyond what you'd expect from the real cars (I.e. BRM is very thirsty, Brabham much less so) unlike in the GTLegends mods that have been run over at SRO.
As mentioned, I can fix the BRM tire bug easily for a championship in these and am seriously tempted to use it for giggles if we run one despite how slow it is - although that might change slightly with the tires sorted.


I've got both but we can't run them here as they're both direct rips from PC1, a pity as both tracks would be epic in the correct machinery :(
Not to worry - I managed the UKGPL 65 class for a few seasons so know exactly what sort of tracks we need ;)

The 'Great White Whale' as we called it in Hiki Waza can actually be fast, but it HAS to be 4 wheel drifted and trail braked in order to overcome the understeer.
Oddly it's weakest moment when I raced it at SRO was Monza - the only race it ever won in reality (I did have a nasty off too mind) ;D

Spa and Monaco are actually direct rips from rF2 and look much nicer in AC, but yep I know what you mean.

Your opinion on that is quite superflous, cause with your car control you'd be able to drift even a pallet truck  ;D ;D ;D

You should become my driving coach for drifting style, as long as you don't pretend to be paid 1.500 $ a day for your lessons  ;D ;D ;D

Jokes apart, I'm amazed by your drive in every car Tim, even if on modern ones it becomes counterproductive in terms of tyre wear, as you already know.

And I'd like to apologize for that. :-\ I don't know what should I understand exactly by "swiped" as it was only a slight rear wheel to rear wheel contact ; was hard to guess as those wheels of course are wider than what we can see at the front of the car. I wanted to be cautious with the car passing us on my left and that little right move was a mistake, which in those beast give its effects almost 1 second later.  ::) Still you didn't loose more than 1 position as the other cars had passed us yet.

Side swiped is just a term for side to side contact when a driver is passing an opponent Maxime. I know it wasn't race ending but that's just the kind of accidental contact that can cause big incidents like with Stefan and Kimi on the back straight....saw that one in my mirrors. My reason for raising the issue was to ask if you or others were using Helicorsa as I find it helps me avoid these incidents.

Honestly, I really like the Honda handling. It is very easy to drift precisely because it is understeer. In entering it is possible to oversteer considerably and then at the exit it will be very friendly and with a lot of traction.
Having said that, on a track like this it is quite slow, but on fast tracks it becomes competitive.

Unfortunately I had serious fps issues, so I couldn't drift the car as I wanted, and that slowed me down. I did 1.25.9 as the last lap, but I should improve it by at least 3-4 tenths. Plus I had an impromptu setup.  :angel:

I was really impressed by Ferrari 312 (GPL mod), perfect handling. It is very different from AC 312.

No problem Morris. Sorry I don't play with Helicorsa as it would be quite disturbing here, but even if I play on a single monitor, I play with quite wide FOV plus I have a spatial sound headphone that gives me the position of the cars around me quite accurately. when I feel it's necessary, I add the virtual mirror too.

Dont you guys use Crewchief? With its spotter (available in many languages or characters). Its extremely useful in league racing, albeit not quite fitting in with the period for these cars. Need someone with a loud hailer shouting at you from the pitlane to fit the time period  ;D
But for any guys suffering spatial awareness, and there are a couple here, its a god-send as verbally tells you the other car is still alongside etc.

It's been quite some time I think about this, after discovering it in the Jos' videos, and yes it looks to be very good stuff. What refrains me since all that time is, as you said, that it doesn't fit the era very well.  :laugh:
I'll prolly download it for test, though as I said it wouldn't have changed anything in our small contact as I knew you were there, just I misjudged my placement by overreacting to the Frex' passing car. :/

Something I forgot to mention in my previous message : I wish had have let you pass me on my right side immediately after, but I wasn't aware of my fault at the time. Sorry again for that.

Old wisdom says " If you don't see it in mirror, it's on your side"... :) Crewchief is way too talkative for my taste, other wisdom says " Leave me alone, I know what I'm doing".

Going for the most quoted post award here  :)

First off Maxime, no problem....I know it wasn't intentional, simply a racing incident.

I've just started racing rF2 and use crew chief spotter because there is no Helicorsa equivalent. For me it is better than nothing but as Maxime says, it doesn't really tell you how much room you have and I still have to use guesswork when I'm racing opponents closely especially taking different lines through corners.

I drive with a low FOV and with Helicorsa directly under my virtual mirror. I really can't see anything left or right so I'm heavily reliant on Helicorsa and honestly wouldn't feel as comfortable racing without it. It only becomes visible when there is another car in very close proximity so it is unobtrusive until needed. In some leagues it's compulsory (RD I think from memory) which is not what I'm arguing here, but I would encourage those that don't use it to at least give it a try to see if it helps.

out of interest, and to help me get a better feel with my new DD wheel, what steering lock range would these cars have and what kind of torque strength in the steering? Think a modern race car is 20Nm.

I run ~400 degrees in GPL to match the virtual drivers arms ;D As it's a single seater F1 car with bespoke steering gear I would imagine that real cars were using less range on most tracks so the driver can keep hold of the the wheel longer.

Steering weight will be dependant on steering ratio, road speed, and the setup used.
In a pre-aero car I would imagine steering forces on a par with 1.6-era Formula Fords (many of the UK cars of that period would use the same steering kit), My Westfield had the steering rack from a '66 Formula Ford and was probably in the realms of 4-500 degrees as it was no-where near a normal car.

AC normally limits steering lock on a car by car basis I seem to remember ??? I've never needed to adjust anything for single seaters or other full-blown racers in it, it's always just correct...

Thanks Tim. It’s just that ffb clip has a setting ‘target torque’ when you tick the DD option and it can be done for each car, so something light with power steering like an MX5 would be 12Nm, whereas a full blown GT racer like a F488 might be 30Nm. A Porsche cup car is 20Nm. Guessing a 540kg single seater of that era may be about 15-20? (As the weights at the back anyway)  :-\

I too have always been curious to know how strong the steering wheel of an old F1 was.

I have never set the degrees from my steering wheel: AC adapts it car to car so that it matches the virtual one in the movements. There is a bit of an approximation in cars with many degrees of steering (like road car), it seems to me, because my G27 has not all those degrees.

Low ratio manual racks are always heavy - but you have to bear in mind that these cars were 4 wheel drifted, most of the steering effort was done by foot - all the driver really had to contend with were low speed hairpins and the start & finish of any fast corner.
The middle bit involves pretty much minimal input if you're going fast enough/sliding correctly.

Admittedly the above is based on driving my old 7, but steering loads should still be similar from watching how they used to drive old 50/60's F1

Found out that a Formula Renault 2.0L is 19Nm so these old cigars must be similar.  :)

One thing that really stands out to me with the direct drive wheel is how superior the track surfaces are for Kunos tracks. The two mod tracks I’ve tried so far give really poor feedback in comparison.  :-\

Nice MJ, what is your new rig setup?

oh i went to town to cheer myself up after a sh*tty year, bought Heuskinkveld Sprint pedals, VRS DD Wheel (20Nm) and a TrackRacer TR180 sim-rig :) Hardly used my real cars this year so money i've saved on them i used towards my sim fun to make it feel more realistic, plus i can sell/have sold some of my Fanatec gear for decent money to recover some dosh. My triceps and lats are getting a damn good workout with this DD wheel  :P

I should add, i've been using a playseat evolution for about 10yrs and my ageing back was beginning to suffer as you nearly sit on the floor and it wobbled about with the ever improving-strength hardware, hardly ideal.
All the kit i bought is an improvement, but biggest surprise was the pedals. My Fanatec V3's made all my previous Logitech/Thrustmaster stuff feel like toys. The Heusinkvelds make my Fanatecs feel like a toy!
Hence why i needed a proper rig as i now have 20N torque in the steering and upto 58kg braking pedal pressure!  :o  Been two weeks of pain configuring it all though and getting the ideal cockpit position...nearly there  :)

How big is the wheel in them?
Without knowing that and then calculating the force to match your own wheel size the value itself will be irrelevant - you'll be feeling more or less force than the real thing unless it just happens to be the same.

The Standard wheel in my 180 is only 10-20mm larger diameter compared to the Momo I fitted about 10 years back, but you can feel the difference easily - and when I have the wider wheels on the car and/or the 2-way fitted, it mounts up again :D

The trouble is that I haven't heard of any wheel software that configures force based on the above factors, so you may as well just go with something that feels authentic because it'll be pure luck otherwise :)