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Track: Surfers Paradise

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (24 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit stops: Not required

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CAR OWNERS

NOTE: #37 removed.

#14 - WT
#70 - Ziu Bacubacu
#99 - Erling G-P
#302 - Daz9
#1 - fpolicardi
#15 - Geoffers
#40 - roguk
#9 - Dimitar Dulichki
#45 - EvilClive
#33 - seniordan
#18 - phspok
#28 - SpecialKS
#8 - Robby82
#40 - Christian Dauger
#83 - Hristo Itchov
#102 - Paddler

IMPORTANT

Race length increased to 24 laps (was 22).

Which car for this race, Tony?

EDIT: I think it's the Ford. And the good news is that there can't be engine failure, because the engine never gets less than 100% even with 250 kmh hit to the barriers.  ;D

Did a bit of testing, setup is uploaded in the online database under the name of "boss mustang v1c".

As usual, the key is to nail the trail braking so you can both carry speed and rotate the car around, to be able to accelerate as early as possible.

With an engine as powerful as this, it takes a very careful throttle application to keep the car on the edge while keeping it turning slightly. Less throttle instantly makes it understeer wide and too much sends it into power oversteering.

Best lap time 1:52.9xx, but it was more of a one off. Usually mid, sometimes low, 53s. All that with 40 liters of fuel though.

It's going to be a tricky race, especially once the rears overheat and wear down.

It's the Boss 302 Mustang Dimitar

Unfortunately the RaceRoom enduro is not my cup of tea this week, so I will be present for this, even though this is another track I detest with all those confounded chicanes. Will not be bothering the front runners though, nowhere near Hristo's laptimes.  :o

Those are just reckless driving kind of lap times for qualifying though. Definitely can't afford to take such massive risks during the race, so I expect 54-55 in the race at best. You've always been better with the tyres management too, so anything can happen.  ;D

Here's the replay of that 52, using the setup I posted online:

https://we.tl/t-4gPXtE4stO

You have to switch to a different camera view though, because the in-car cam appears positioned too low on the replay.

53.7 with fuel for the race here, as i lost 4 tents at the end. But as H said - this was reckless driving and it won't happen during the race. Especially at the first couple of corners. Will upload the setup later.

Using #8 for the race today, if ok.
Robby

40 for me, thank you

1:52.1 with fuel for the race. The lap was amazing though, and i don't think i will even make it again. I upload the setup with the name"Boss 302 Mustang".

Done

Done

If Hristo is taking part tonight could he chose a car # please and post his choice here, thank you.

 :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

As I said I won't be troubling you guys, I can just get in the 1.56s.  :(

Don't be so sad Geoff. You always have a chance with your consistency and tire saving. And with this barriers it will be an achievement for everyone to see the chequered flag.

Here's the hot lap if someone wants to take a look: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yT1nEUjeirxy78i_yIS9xg1Bsro9hbHK/view?usp=sharing

I thought I already selected an available car last time we raced, at Sandown, but I see now that it was the same one that Fulvio and Micha used (the #1 car, I didn't even know, just selected it because of the colors back then). I see some other people used the same cars too though (e.g. Daz and Clive in the #302)

Will let you know which one when I start practicing later tonight

I watched your lap and it's amazing how late you can brake. Also T1-T3 were just perfect, as well as the other 2 chicanes later in the lap.

#45 for me please.

All that I need now is the location  of the turn for the short circuit? coz that must be what H and DD are using!!! I would not expect to be down to 1:52, but I cannot get below 2:00 atm and that is trialling their setups!!  :-\

Tried a few laps with DD's setup & the best I could do was 1.57.7!!! Puzzled by your choice of gearing DD, I find the next gearing down easier to drive, but obviously it works for you.

I like the shorter gears too, but the problem is that for some corners 2nd becomes a bit too long and 1st too short, while with his setup you can use 1st gear for all of the slow corners. As for lap times, it's mostly about the acceleration and then braking is the secondary factor that shaves off another 0.5-1.0

I don't want to bother you either, I would just like to do below 2.xx ...  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

ARGHHHH, GTL is trying my patience. Had a Logitech G-Hub update yesterday now GTL will only start once then it won't run again. I have to reboot the PC to get it to start again.  >:(

PS: Looks like I have to start GTL first, minimise it then start the logitech software, plug wheel in, load profile & then bring GTL back up, seems to work then.  ::)

OK, #83 for me, Tony

No that doesn't work either, GTL will start again that way but the wheel inputs don't register in game. Grrrrrrr!!!!!!!

Done

Your already listed with that car Clive  ::)

Can you restore to a previous version?

Not sure, the Logitech software automatically updates & I have never looked into if updates can be stopped or restored to an earlier version. Cannot get any of my GTL installs to work now with the Logitech GHub software, even rebooting the PC, so something in the update has messed things up. Odd that it worked initially & now won't.

#102 for me please

ty

I meant to restore Windows to before you installed the problem

Done

Maybe try to start gtl without connected steering wheel, then restart after connecting it?! ...

As Tony suggests Geoffers, can you possibly revert Windows to a previous checkpoint (from before the update) via System Restore ?    Depending on how you're setup, that might get rid of the update.

Updated my setup to make the car behave less like a boat, you can find it under the name of "boss mustange v2b2". A bit tricky on cold tyres, so don't judge it prematurely

That didn't last long...  :'(

Screwed up qualifying by accidently running with race fuel initially, and messed up too many laps.  Probably wouldn't have been any further up the order though, even if I had matched my earlier pb.

Screwed up the start even more; too few revs bogged down the car completely, and just as I had been relieved that this time Matt was too far back to outstart me, he came streaking past..  ::)

Chased after him & Christian, who also had made it past.  After a few laps, Matt & I both narrowly missed two stationary cars at the first chicane, one being Christian, the other Dimitar.  Tried putting pressure on Matt, with Christian not far behind and eventually replaced by a recovering Dimitar.  That was just before my early demise.  Following close behind Matt, it caught me completely by surprise when we encountered Robby's practically stationary car at the entry to the fast S bends.  Had nowhere to go exept straight into the barrier and race over..  :-X

Thanks to Hristo & Dimitar for providing setups & hotlap replays - the latter were enlightening regarding the line through those S bends.  Went with Hristo's first setup, as that worked best for me.  Not enough time to explore the updated version, so stuck with the one I knew.

Sorry Dimitar, I may have caused your withdrawal during the 2nd accident ...


The race was more thrilling than I expected (I don't like city circuits too much) But besides the 2 incidents involving Dimitar, I was in a good place with some interesting fights but I started doing too much error (I do not know how many times stuck in the chicanes !!) to find myself almost last ... :-\

Results and replay now posted.

No worries Chris, it was all my fault for the result tonight. I shouldn't hit that barrier on turn 1 to begin with.

Grats to amazing Hristo. I had no chance to go down to 51 here even though i try hard. grats to Manfred and Daz on their podium and the other 4 guys that survive on of the toughest circuits as of late here.

Weekend replay, now with information from my steering wheel and throttle, brake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyE89OOZ-qQ

Thanks for the suggestions Tony & Erling, but the problem is GHub automatically updates itself when you start it, so it would have just installed the update again. Have not yet figured how to stop it doing that. Anyway after failing to get it to work this afternoon I gave up & will try again tomorrow. AC & RaceRoom still run fine, it is just GTL that is kaput.

Sounds like a virus...  ;)   

Hope you find a solution Geoff; must be mightily annoying

This Ghub thingy doesn't attract a lot of praise online from what I've read.............

Sorry to hear about your woes Geoffers. All I can offer is that "I feel your pain brother".

I hope that you get things sorted soon, but I am afraid this is the wrong person from whom you should expect any technical advice, other than dipping the whole thing in a bucket of warm soapy water and initiating a clean install with a large mop.

No it doesn't but it was the only way I could get my G29 to work on Win10, the older Logitech Gaming Software I used on my Win7 PC would not recognise the wheel on Win10.

I could be mistaken, but I think I had my G25 working on Win 10 before it broke, and I replaced it with a TM wheel
The internet is quite sure that the G29 works on Win 10.

FWIW I run a G25 wheel on Win10, I only used the Logitech Profiler that came with the wheel to set things up. ( Current experiments with Bodnar cables and Linux are a totally separate dilemma).

About 2 yrs ago I actually purchased a shiny new G29 wheel and pedals and despite hours of fumbling around and d/loading Logitech drivers etc., I had zero luck in getting Win10 to "see" it. After 3 or 4 days I actually returned the wheel for a refund and struggled on with my increasingly worn G25.

After my abysmal pace in last night's race I found the time today to watch Dimitar's video in the hope of seeing where that shortcut is hiding. My thanks to Hristo who tried to offer me some coaching pre race. I tried both DD's and Hristo's setups and opted for H's revised version that I found slightly more stable.

I was around 8-9 secs per lap off the leader's pace and did not post a sub 2:00 lap, even in qualifying. My fragile ego can live with not being able to run at alien pace, but the time difference was huge!!  :blink:

Well, the first thing that stood out was how much later DD was braking  :o :o. From what I could see he was applying the brakes as he passed under the 150mtr board? When I tried that ( on multiple occasions with the same setup) we went straight to the scene of the accident and implanted a Mustang into the concrete wall!! I can say now that I had zero hope of stopping the car before I hit the outer wall even if I made no attempt to take the corner. Exactly how he had the grip to slow down and turn in ( apparently under complete control) 25 mtrs before I could even contemplate turning the wheel  I have no idea. The later braking must account for maybe 0.5 secs per major corner? I had to start braking 50mtrs BEFORE that board and still wrestled with the beast to avoid hitting the outer wall!!
What was also a little hard to take was that when he stood on the gas at the exit, the car went where he was pointing it!! My Mustang objected strongly to being "muscled" and would rotate the rear end around and send me into the barriers. I had to treat the GO pedal with the utmost respect to avoid slamming into the walls. Hristo's v2 setup was certainly better when the power went down, but did not improve my pace.

So my first question to DD is,  "Are you trail braking? i.e. keeping 20% throttle on until you turn in? ( I tried that but could not see any benefit ).

I watched DD through those ESSES. The first 3 elements are almost a straight line, so I think that it all comes down to getting the line and the speed right for the last section and to avoid hitting the concrete wall at the exit.  All about carrying speed out of that complex? Again, even with the same setup, I had to be slower or the car just would not make that last flick to the left without sliding into the wall.

I have deduced that it is not me, but my wheel and pedals that are faulty  ::). Just a thought though guys, what settings are people running from the GTL/CONTROLS/SENSITIVITY menu?? I run all settings at 100% for Wheel/ Accelerator/brake/clutch, but maybe that makes things too twitchy??

I guess it is a lot of things here Clive for such a big gap. Did you watch my new Brake/Acceleration information on the left down side of my screen. You can see that i am using throttle while downshifting to keep the car stable. And i had those problems with less fuel as well - the car was oversteering on braking. And i use a lot of engine braking as well, since my early Formula 1 days around 2007, 2008 :D

And from what i see most of the drivers were loosing ton of pace on the first 2 corners, not daring to risk there, but maybe this was the right strategy as i hit the barrier on turn 1 at the beginning of the race.

Don't forget that this setup is for MY drivng style, so it's totally normal that i am more comfortable with it.

My wheel settings: https://ibb.co/bLYftXY

I drive with different Force feedback setting. I think i uploaded them here, but nobody liked them.

Feel free to ask more questions Clive. I hope i can help.

Result (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2021//02062021_SurfersParadise)


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Clive, I can't brake as late as Dimitar either, but you're wrong to think he gains 0.5 sec per corner by doing that. In fact I think he's losing a bit of time overall by braking too late for most of the corners, because it compromises how early he can put the throttle on. I've been trying to convince him about it for a year now  :D I managed a 51.5 twice during practice, so he was still half a second or more slower. It's just that I couldn't repeat any of that during qualifying.

When I was watching you drive in practice, I noticed that you use WAY too much throttle under braking, which prolongs your braking distance, and you also carry too little speed through most turns, especially the chicanes, taking them at cruise speed rather than at controlled deceleration or acceleration.

As a whole, with this car, it's imperative to really keep it going, because it is so heavy that it doesn't turn well on its own and it tends to lose a lot of speed, especially when the revs drop. It's a constant dancing with the throttle to keep it rotating, but it has to be delicate and just enough, with the steering wheel giving secondary inputs to correct the direction of travel.

It's difficult to give exact tips by chat alone, without being physically present to see the actual inputs you're doing with your wheel and pedals, and talking with each other. I'm pretty sure just about anyone here can improve massively if they can be shown certain aspects of how to do things.

Dimitar's style is very particular in that he likes an understeery car and compensates for it by turning in sharply, so it doesn't work for anyone. I can rarely drive his setups and usually opt to go for more neutral or oversteering settings, as I'm used to less steering input from my GPL years. If that's what you also tend to do, then you really have to focus more on exploiting the way the car reacts under braking and acceleration, with modulation of both pedals. It's where the key is, in my opinion.

Most of you guys, from what I could see, were driving this like a road car and not a racing car. You just let it roll too much on its own and don't force it into turning faster and keeping the speed through the turns. I wish I could record some videos where I could explain and demonstrate all these things, but I'm really bad at doing such things verbally, plus my room is a mess  ;D

 Yes it does, or did until the latest GHub update & it is only GTL that it has cocked up, RRE & AC still run fine.

By the way, congrats to Hristo on some amazing pace & to Manfred & Daz on the podium.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Thanks Kurt  :thumbup1:

Silly me, I did no practise for this, but it seemed the setup from Sandown was good enough to get reasonably competitive, so just stuck with what I had. That got me a low 55, so miles off the pace at the front. Got me thinking maybe there was something in the setup after all. Tried Dimitars after the race, immediately put me on a high 53, but that was your lot. Any attempt to go quicker just resulted in a Mustang/wall interface of fairly extreme proportions. I should go and try Hristos setup given his commentary on the style of Dimitar, as understeer is kryptonite as far I am concerned, but probably won't until the next outing in the car as I'm not that big a fan of it...

As for the race, went both better and exactly as I thought it might. Ran hard early on, taking 3rd initially, and then 2nd when DD had the incident at the first chicane. Was nice and steady, Manfred was behind but not a big threat as he couldn't get close enough, with Hristo pulling away with ease.....but then hit the wall letting Manfred through, and then hit various other walls at least another 3 times when pressuring him, the last of which just ruined the car. At that point I gave up the chase and just brought it home. Still hit the wall another 3 times without trying.

Tough combo, grats to the finishers one and all.

Sorry for my bad entry at the first chicane hitting Matt and Erling, I hadn't pressed in time the right pedal... :-[
Luckily not too much damage for you and a cut for me.
I was lucky to avoid many stationary cars crashed on the chicanes and ended ahead of Christian even if my pace was way slower.
Clive what did you put in the tank that your car was smoking so bad on the straights that I couldn't see a thing in the esses?  ;D
Dimitar were you looking for a bar when you pitted?  :laugh:

 :lol: