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Title: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 01, 2020, 03:18:41 PM +0000
Championship Standings here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=684&theme=5)

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Car/Track download available by pm to WT

Track: Adelaide International Raceway

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (50 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit stops: Not required

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Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None.

CAR OWNERS

NOTE: #37 removed.

#14 - WT
#70 - Ziu Bacubacu
#99 - Erling G-P
#302 - Daz9
#1 - fpolicardi
#15 - Geoffers
#40 - roguk
#9 - Dimitar Dulichki
#45 - EvilClive
#33 - seniordan
#18 - phspok
#28 - SpecialKS
#8 - Robby82
#40 - Christian Dauger
#83 - Hristo Itchov
#102 - Paddler


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: Geoffers on August 03, 2021, 04:16:39 PM +0100
I was expecting this to be the Adelaide street course, but no, this is a new track for me, totally different.  :eek:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: Hristo Itchov on August 04, 2021, 03:20:33 AM +0100
I was expecting this to be the Adelaide street course, but no, this is a new track for me, totally different.  :eek:

Same! Quite enjoyable this one, something very different than the usual. Like a short oval but with some infield corners included.

Used my Surfers setup with 1 click shorter gears and managed a 57.8 so far. The setup feels quite nice, but will have to change the diff a bit tomorrow (less lock on coast and maybe more on power).


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 04, 2021, 10:11:59 AM +0100
and managed a 57.8 so far.
:surrender: Only 1:01 something for me.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on August 04, 2021, 12:03:38 PM +0100
Doh! I thought this is the road course. :(


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 04, 2021, 12:18:24 PM +0100
Road course was from 1985 onwards.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: Hristo Itchov on August 04, 2021, 01:31:05 PM +0100
and managed a 57.8 so far.
:surrender: Only 1:01 something for me.

Here's the hotlap replay and setup I used, if you or anyone else finds them useful:

https://we.tl/t-oS4TxhjePJ

I'll probably make additional changes to the setup tonight, but it feels quite OK already (spent a lot of time working on it at Surfers Paradise).


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 04, 2021, 02:12:36 PM +0100
Should anyone need it; Pit lane speed limit is 30mph.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: Erling G-P on August 04, 2021, 04:55:26 PM +0100
and managed a 57.8 so far.
:surrender: Only 1:01 something for me.

Here's the hotlap replay and setup I used, if you or anyone else finds them useful:

https://we.tl/t-oS4TxhjePJ

I'll probably make additional changes to the setup tonight, but it feels quite OK already (spent a lot of time working on it at Surfers Paradise).

You seem to be shortshifting from 2nd to 3rd in two places - is that correct?

Did a 58.17 myself last night


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: Hristo Itchov on August 04, 2021, 05:00:52 PM +0100
You seem to be shortshifting from 2nd to 3rd in two places - is that correct?

Did a 58.17 myself last night

Yes, I have to, because I made the gears shorter. That's very fast! Or perhaps we're both slow and DD is going to do a 56?  ??? ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: Erling G-P on August 04, 2021, 05:33:39 PM +0100
You seem to be shortshifting from 2nd to 3rd in two places - is that correct?

Did a 58.17 myself last night

Yes, I have to, because I made the gears shorter. That's very fast! Or perhaps we're both slow and DD is going to do a 56?  ??? ::)

Probably  ::) - just did a so far not repeatable 57.747 with your setup (on low fuel and moderately worn tyres)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: Hristo Itchov on August 04, 2021, 07:24:11 PM +0100
Down to 56.8 with some additional changes, but it's become increasingly difficult to be consistent. The braking points for T1 and the slow left, and the line through the last corner are so easy to get wrong, and yet they seem to make the most difference as they set you up for the hard acceleration that follows, which is what gains the lap time.

Did some setup changes to cure the understeer in the banked turns, but I'm still not entirely happy with it.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: EvilClive on August 04, 2021, 08:56:05 PM +0100
I trust that you had more fun than I did.

Apologies to Robby for lap 1, I went extra wide trying to give you room and put myself on the grass.......then I had no grip and no brakes to avoid you  :-\.

Once again FF was noticeable by it's absence during practice and qualifying, and I had just about got a "feel" for the light steering to post some respectable laps on full fuel.
Then, when the flag dropped for the start I had a shed load of FF. So much in fact, that my puny old muscles just could not work against it and the car was just undriveable  :(. Once the leaders had lapped me I decided to declare myself as dangerous and quit.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: Christian Dauger on August 04, 2021, 09:24:27 PM +0100
I tightened the tires a little too close at the entrance to the pit lane ... the car didn't like it !! :(  Pity



@EvilClive, are you still with Windows? In your place, I would reinstall the steering wheel driver over and over again, until it worked ...
or maybe find a different driver?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 04, 2021, 09:50:40 PM +0100
Results and replay now posted.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on August 04, 2021, 10:20:05 PM +0100
Apologies to Geoff. I really hope he can understand that i was not looking at Hristo's car during the corner and i was unable to understand the situation correctly. Still my mistake and i apologies.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: Geoffers on August 05, 2021, 08:47:27 AM +0100
Quite pleased with my pace at this track although it dropped off markedly as the tyres wore & I was not as fast as Hristo & DD later in the race so 3rd was probably where I should have finished. I won't comment on the early incident other than to apologise to Hristo for the bump & say that it was rather a disappointing outcome!  :(

Congrats to Hristo on the win.  :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: Erling G-P on August 05, 2021, 10:48:53 AM +0100
Lonely and mostly uninteresting race.  Lost places to Christian & Dan at T1-2 on lap 1, when I almost went off.  Reclaimed the one from Christian a few laps later, and after a couple more laps I saw in my mirror that he hit the wall violently, coming out of the final turn; apparently he clipped the inside tyres.  Chased after Dan for several laps, until he lost control under braking at T1, allowing me to nip past.  Believe he went off again soon after, extending the gap, and I never saw him again.

Shortly after I could tiptoe around a stranded Geoffers in the final turn.  Tried my best, but he was gaining about a sec each lap, so soon caught up, passed and disappeared.  After that the only company was backmarker(s), until Hristo showed up to lap me on the final lap.

Grats to Hristo, DD & Geoffers.

Think the cut warnings are deeply flawed on this track.  Got two during the race, losing massive amounts of time in each case.  First was when Clive's antics confused me enough to cut over the grass in the left-right flick on the back section.  Gap to Christian all but disappeared, so obviously lost time, but still got a warning.  2nd one even more ridiculous; at T1-2, I backed completely off and turned on to the inside grass to let Hristo past, and got a warning for that!  Yep, you really gain an advantage by slowing to let someone pass you...  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on August 05, 2021, 01:12:54 PM +0100
Racing weekend replay from my point of view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fsmj7MQoRc


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: Hristo Itchov on August 05, 2021, 05:48:07 PM +0100
That was a really tough one, because of the tyre wear and the nature of the track, but also very entertaining.

DD's lap time in Q, on his very first flying lap, on not even well warmed up tyres, was phenomenal! It took me many attempts to go quicker than that and then I managed to improved once more, but looking at his stream footage, he could have gone a tenth and a half quicker too, if it wasn't for traffic and last corner mistakes, so I guess I was fortunate.

Not so fortunate at the start though, as he had a better getaway and managed to overtake me going into T1. A few laps later he apparently forgot to shift up to 3rd on the exit of the last corner though, so I was through, but so was Geoffers, who overtook both of us and was now leading!

Another few laps later, he suddenly froze in front, I barely avoided a harder collision and so was now back in front. I was happy to see he continued behind DD in 3rd and so our 3-way battle resumed.

Geoffers, I don't agree that you were the slowest, you were in fact the quickest of the 3! After swapping positions twice with DD at T1, both times with clean attack maneuvers. You were definitely going faster and was a matter of time before you overtook me.

Unfortunately that's when the race deciding incident happened, on the last corner of lap 12 (I think). I was almost always going slightly slower and wider than the other two, and in this instance it wasn't any different, but Geoffers went a bit too wide and touched my rear end, which was enough to send my car into a slide towards the inside. I did my best to catch it fast, but it was not possible as his car was pushing into mine. Judging from DD's footage, he was caught out by the sudden deceleration in front and couldn't do anything to avoid tapping Geoffers from behind, sending him into a spin. It was a typical chain reaction in such situations.

I managed to recover quickly, but I was not aware at that time what exactly happened behind me. I was wondering why Geoffers was waiting for so long and thought perhaps he didn't see me continue, but as he explained later, he stalled his engine. DD on the other hand was waiting for him, so he dropped several seconds behind me as well.

I contemplated waiting for both of them so we can all continue our battle, however I wasn't sure if that was the right decision. In hindsight I should have.

From there on it was a matter of avoiding mistakes and keeping up the pace. A few mistakes here and there allowed DD to get closer and closer. He was just over 2 seconds behind when he spun while overtaking Robby, who I also had a problem with before that. Lapping him on the back straight, I went for the right side but he also decided to move to that side to let me through on the inside, so I had no choice but to lift off and go over the grass.

And this is where I'm just going to say it, because I think it has to be said. Robby, I don't see how you can justify continuing racing in such conditions. You were much slower (more than usual), you were constantly making mistakes, you were already 10 laps down by the middle of the race (and 17 at the end). Clive, who is a much more experienced and better driver than you, had the decency to retire when he realized he might be a danger to the others. I don't even think he was. Yet you never even considered that and just kept going for your own satisfaction while putting others at danger. What is the whole point of it and do you really learn anything from it? Please think about it...

I have nothing against you, but a line has to be drawn somewhere. I don't want to lose a race because of your driving. I know you're trying to get out of the way and so on, but you're too often out of control and make the wrong decision, plus the speed differential in just a single corner is sometimes just too great. It's fine taking part in practice, qualifying, even the start of races, but once you're several laps down, what are you racing (if you can call it that) for exactly? Points? You pretty much cost DD any chance of victory yesterday and some day you're gonna do the same to me and others. Doesn't that bother you?

And also, what's with your constant spamming in the chat? Tony warned you last time not to do it and yet you still keep doing it. It's very annoying and distracting.

Anyway... Once the tyres were really worn out, I managed to suddenly find more pace in comparison to both DD and Geoffers, which opened the gap further and secured the victory. I wish it had remained a 3-way wheel to wheel fight all the way through the race, even though I doubt I would have won it then.

Grats to DD for 2nd and Geoffers for 3rd, and everyone else who survived this!

The points situation before the final race in this championship makes me excited for the final race at Bathurst, but that's several months away. I hope all 3 of us battle it out properly when the time comes.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: SpecialKS on August 05, 2021, 07:45:13 PM +0100
Result (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2021//04082021_Adelaide Raceway)


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Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Adelaide Raceway - Aug 4
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 06, 2021, 02:00:47 PM +0100
Result (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2021//04082021_Adelaide Raceway)


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Thanks Kurt  :thumbup1: