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RACE ONE
Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (10 mins) Drivers must not leave qualifying to change car make.
Race: 20:30 (12 laps)

RACE TWO
Practice/Car change: ~20:50 (5 mins)
Qualifying: 20:55 (10 mins) Drivers must not leave qualifying to change car make.
Race: 21:05 (12 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

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Mmmm, just went to test the Jag out around here for next weeks race &............. I cannot get it around St Marys without it flipping over. Anyone else tried it yet & having the same problem. Looks like I will have to try another car & save the Jag for somewhere else. :-\

I did similar..........but my top team of crack technicians set about trying to fix the problem. They had limited success  ::)

I can confirm Geoffer's issue.
I think Tony uses the wonderful skins & the physics of ervin58's "GTL Jaguar Mk. II. real mod 1.0"
(https://www.evolution-modding.net/t1517-gtl-jaguar-mk-ii-real-mod-1-0?highlight=jaguar (https://www.evolution-modding.net/t1517-gtl-jaguar-mk-ii-real-mod-1-0?highlight=jaguar))
which in fact has this particuler issue.
I did offline races with 30 cars or so and in the first corner about 10 cars flipping over.
Maybe combining the skins with the original physics or just using the original tyres could solve the problem.

edit: @Tony - totally forgot about that. I worked on solving the issue during summer 2019 for my private pleasure and wrote in a.m. thread:
 
Indeed - lowering the center of gravity is a possibility to eliminate or at least reduce the issue described above.

But the center of gravity is not it's cause.

As I was motivated to find the cause of the issue I played around a bit this afternoon:

I tried to replace step by step single lines in the 'general' section of the hdc by data from the original GTL MKII
and then replaced the tyres without any change.
Then I looked at the 'suspension' section of the hdc and compared it with the original GTL MKII and found
significant differences.

I'm not really deep in this topic so I decided to go back to ervin58's hdc file for keeping most of his changes ('high pressured tyre' and the complete 'general' section) and simply but completey replaced the 'suspension' section in the hdc by the original GTL specs and added the original GTL MKII sp file to the car.

That obviously solved the problem. Cars running fine now. I made this change first for the 3.8 only
and left the 4.2 as it was with the effect that only the 4.2 still had that issue.

I don't know, what exactly causes the problem but it was definitely in the 'suspension' section of the car and/or in the sp file.

edit2: Replacing of sp and tyr files with the original ones is necessary!

Thanks Kurt (although no one need to know about your private pleasure  ;) )

I'll have a test tomorrow and report back.

EDIT: I have now tested the car using original MkII tyres and suspension. No great improvement in pace but the car no longer tries to turn turtle at anything resembling a tight turn, although it does still lean a lot. But this can be offset by some setup tweaking I fancy.

I will pm a patch later this afternoon.

Thanks to Kurt for his detective work  :detective:

Does this explain why the Jag was such an ox-cart at Snetterton? The handling was IMHO woeful and the body lean was closer to  Citroen 2CV than a classic British performance saloon.

 I had decided to use it and "get it out of the way" after trying  the Jag and 3 other cars during the afternoon prior to the race.

I didn't find it too bad at Snetterton after some setup tweaks. I certainly didn't roll it like at Goodwood.

It's still an Ox cart tho  ::)

I think the problem with Goodwood is it has quite a high grip level. I had a similar, although not quite as bad, problem with the Toyota Corolla we used in last year's 83ETCC series when I tested it at Goodwood. That would sometimes flip over if I took St Mary's too quick.

The Jag seemed fine at Snetterton & was fairly quick there, it isn't so competitive at Goodwood, I can get the Mini around nearly 2s faster.

Do we have to change cars between race one and race two ?

No, It's your choice to change or stick. As long as your car roster has free cars your good to go.

IMPORTANT

Race length increased to 12 laps.

Race results and replays now posted.

Well, Race 1 was a little bit boring. The Sprints were too fast in front of me and the other cars behind me slower. So i finish in P3 without having a chance for something more.

For Race 2 i decided to save the Cortina for the later stages of the tournament in the last moment and decided to drive the Mini without having a single lap twith it on Goodwood.

I had great pace but, boy, the car had so much oversteer on braking. I was unable to control the car there and made at least 4 big mistakes that at the end let to P14.

Congrats to Clive nad Coyote on their wins and to Coyote, Clive and Micha on their podium finishes.

Race replay: https://youtu.be/UVUbubngGzg

I decided on the Lotus for race 1 as it was pretty predictable to drive.

My race went well until the last lap at St Marys. I was being pressured by Micha, I think it was, driving a Mini very quickly though the twisty parts of the circuit. I was determined not to make a mistake as I could hold him on the straights if I got a good exit from the corners. I spent a microsecond too long checking my mirror to cover a possible dive down the inside and out-braked myself. Driving about fifty plus yards on grass slows you down and I lost two places trying to defend one. Apart from that moment I enjoyed the race.

I decided to take the Lotus again for race 2 to see if I could do it a bit more justice. I made a slight setup tweak. I don't know if it was that or if I just drove it better but I was a little quicker in the second race. Early in the race I had a Mini and another Lotus just behind me coming out from the chicane. Half way down the straight I was about to pull over to line up for turn one but on checking my mirror couldn't see the Mini so checked left and was surprised to see it along side me so I had to slow more than usual to take the inside line keeping the fast Mini on my outside (I think it was Dimitar). He went wide onto the grass and Fulvio in the other Lotus got a faster exit and passed me. I followed him comfortably for a lap or so but just when I was thinking about a possible passing stratergy I think he must have picked up his pace and I was struggling to hang on. Then his car suddenly froze on the track in front of me I lifted but he disappeared momntarily only to reappear on the grass. Very strange, a computer glitch I guess. That was the end of any intense racing. I had enough of a margin to maintain a good pace and bring the car home behind two Alfa's who were just a bit too quick for me. I would have liked a bit more racing with flavio or someone but nevertheless an enjoyable race.

Congrats to winners, podiums and all. :clap: :clap: :clap:

After sorting my pedal problem I was hoping for a couple of competitive outings in the Jag, however it didn't all go as planned. Joined practice & had just completed a couple of laps when the game froze & my PC shut down & restarted all by itself.  :-\

OK, try again. All seemed fine during the rest of practice & qually, quite happy with my qually although Daz was around half a second faster in his Jag. Race started & was in the hunt on lap 1 but ran wide at Madgwick on lap 2 & went off again at St Mary's, so now right at the back. Picked off one or two cars before both Dan & Matt threw their Jags off the road elevating me to 2nd in class but way behind Daz. Then the game froze again & my computer again restarted itself. I had a Win10 update in the afternoon, coincidence ???

I was then a bit wary of rejoining for race 2 in case it did it again & ruined someone else's race. Decided to see how qually went, if it happened again during that, then I would skip the race. Qually though went OK, still half a second slower than Daz ::). Race started quite well, after disputing the class lead with Tony (where did Daz go?), I managed to get ahead & then Daz appeared behind me! Held him off for 3-4 laps until I ran a little wide at St Mary's & let him through. Resigned myself to class runner-up spot, but then Daz went off at Woodcote & I was back in front with a 9s cushion, so just had to keep it on track & hope the PC held up to take the class win, luckily it all worked out. ;D

Congrats to Clive & Erling on their victories & to all the other class winners.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

MY sympathy to Geoffers and his probable Win10 update glitches. Over in GPL, I have experienced updates that totally screwed my install and I have had to start again from scratch, losing all my setups in the process!! Now I have an external hard drive where all my important simracing folders are stored and updated every week. Worryingly there is a Win10 update lurking on my PC that I have postponed since early January and it keeps offering to do it's thing.............I am not letting that happen until I am 200% sure that I have ALL files and folders backed up, with a successful trial retrieval under my belt. I hope you get your PC woes sorted Geoffers it is disconcerting finding you slumming it with mere mortals in the midfield  ::).

I think maybe I was seduced by the easy option for both races, and my liking for big American V8s. So it had to be the Falcon.

I have watched these cars at the Goodwood Revival several times in years past and they are hugely entertaining.

For a while I thought that I was going to be in a lone Falcon for Race 1, the Erling joined the battle and things were very close on the front of the grid. My biggest problem in qually was the immense speed difference between the Falcon and the rest and finding a clear lap where I could exploit all that power. I suspect that Erling had similar issues. I am not complaining at all about the driving of the other cars. As far as I am concerned, if you are on a qualifying lap in a slower car and you are giving 101%, you are entitled to hold your line and complete the lap. Only out laps and spoiled laps require drivers to clear a path.
Race 1 was all about small errors between Erlingand myself. I did fluff a couple of gearchanges which resulted in some buttock clenching moments on the grass in a large piece of Yankee iron, travelling very sideways and tearing up the Goodwood lawns. The mistake score ended in my favour by a single digit and I was fortunate to take the win.
Race 2
Falcon again because I was feeling comfortable with the gearshifts and where they needed to be done ( very important when you are inept with an H shift!!) Although I squeaked pole by the narrowest of margins, Erling was too quick off the line and I was back in 2nd spot before Madgewick.........not part of my script!!
The rest of the race was a re-run of Race 1, but this time my error score was higher than Erlings.


There were a lot of Jag 3.8MKII s in last nights races and some of you might have picked up that I am having an issue with this car. Basically, GTL refuses to let me select it  :-\
I have all of the files for the Jag in my Gamedata/Teams/TC-64 directory. #'s 7,9,32,39,71,81 & 87. Tony was kind enough to send me a copy of his own Jaguar 3.8 MK II folder which obviously works on his PC, and I have overwritten my install, just in case mine was corrupted.
On the server I can see all of you guys in your shiny Jags on track.
I can switch CARS and view the internals of your Jag as you drive around.
All of the above suggests that GTL can see and read those files to create the Jag graphics on the track?

However, when I go to My Garage, and select the Jaguar 3.8 MK II car set, I get 7 greyed out icons each with a padlock and no small pics of the various skins. The main pic has defaulted to the Cobra ( which to me suggests that GTL is NOT reading the graphics files?), and I cannot SELECT or BUY.
Weirdly, if I click on the SHOWROOM button, I get a nice rotating picture of the respective Jag in any of it's optional skins. I have clicked on all 7 greyed out icons and all come up with the correct number and colour scheme.
I have reviewed the Snetterton race where AFAIK I was using one of these Jags, but I now think that I must have selected one of the 2 available GTL standard Jaguar MK IIs?

I was relieved that my probs with the Jag did not interfere with anyone else's racing and if there had been any suspicion of an issue I would have quit the race. But at some point I will have to use the Jaguar, so I would appreciate any suggestions as to how I can get me a Jag ( Tony is suffering from a nasty headache ATM  ;) )

Clive - do you have a "64 Jaguar MkII" folder on top of the showroom?

Two tough, frustrating, rewarding and entertaining races.  Goodwood seemed very well suited for the Falcon. I had very little time to practice, but also tried the Alfa as a backup solution.  Absolutely loved the car, but would like to save it for more twisty tracks, so Falcon remained 1st choice.  Surprised to find myself the only one in this car when I joined (were you on the server already Clive?).  That Clive would use it too came as no surprise though  8)

Got a start in race 1 that Dan would have appreciated, and kept the lead.  Clive went off at St.Mary's early on, giving me a small gap, but he slowly clawed his way back, aided by small mistakes from me.  Then at one point, his car disappeared after we passed St.Mary's, and I thought he had gone off good and proper.  Later that lap, while approahcing Woodcote, he suddenly reappeard right behind me out of the blue!!  Found myself wondering if he had taken a shortcut accoss the infield after going off, but replay suggests computer glitch, with his car frozen at St.Mary's for a long time - you can see it in Dimitar's video as well.

Late in the race, I ran a tiny bit wide at Woodcote, but enough to let Clive position himself on the inside line into the chicane.  No other option than to brake and let him through - otherwise we would probably both have gotten jammed solid in the chicane; sure the rest of the field would have appreciated that...  :D   Next lost time in traffic and then went off at St.Mary's two laps in a row, ending any chances of a comeback.

Clive on pole for race 2, but a repeat of the start secured me the lead again.  This time I did a mistake early on, coming out of the chicane fishtailing, which let Clive grab the lead. Not bl.... again!!!  Cursing myself and determined to fight until the last drop of blood, I tossed the anchor chain after Clive's car.  After a couple of harassment laps, he took the hint and went off at St.Mary's  :D  Back in the lead then, and this time managed to keep it till the end.

Grats to Clive, Dimitar & Micha for win & podiums

Clive, no idea what your Jag problem is, but the 'Cobra graphics' is something I frequently see myself with custom cars. I think it gets shown when the modders haven't bothered making the necessary graphics for the car.

Yes, I have

Jaguar 3.8 MK II
   Wt         1305kg
  power      187kw
  Max rpm  6500
  Class        FIA TC-65

and a pretty picture of a Jag rotating with the correct number on the door.

Erling is correct. The cobra shows when a modder hasn't bothered to create a BIK file (moving or still image of the car).

So the BSCC Jags show as a Cobra. Same for everyone and not part of Clive's problem.

Result_Race1 (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2021//10022021_Goodwood_R1)

Result_Race2 (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2021//10022021_Goodwood_R2)

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Two, a bit disappointing races. Had hoped for less Jags on the grid  ;D

I sort of understood that the Cobra graphic is a default when there is no dedicated pic of the relevant car, but I thought that I would try and paint the whole picture of my issue.

BTW Tony suggested that I create a new profile as a possible way around the problem, but the result was exactly the same.

What I cannot get my head around is that GTL is obviously accessing the files in order to "draw" the cars on track, and to put them in the showroom. So, why are they greyed out and locked to prevent me driving them??  I am racking my mind to find reasons why any cars would NOT be available?

It won't let you purchase one at all Clive?

If you don't purchase it you can't use it from memory....I'm saying this presuming it is much too simple a solution, but you never know....

Have you installed the 'unlock everything' file Clive, not having that is the only reason I can think of to still have things locked. You need to install it before you create a new profile if I remember correctly. Just a thought, but if you can access the other cars I guess that is not the problem.

Decided to just get the Jag out of the way, it's a bit of fun I know, but is all a bit unwieldy.....

Race 1, not a bad effort in Quali (sorry Geoff) and then a half decent start to get away from some of the smaller cars......But, I knew all they needed to do was sort themselves out and they would be hareing after me for sure. And the emerging force from the pack was Tony, and he proceeded to drive with great consistency, just a little bit quicker than I could really go with the Jaaaaag. Then I had a little too much enthusiasm with the right foot exiting the chicane, losing most of the 2 second lead I had, which gave him a lovely slipstream to tuck into from the fat bottomed Mk2. I held him at bay for a couple of laps whilst he looked at where to go through, he had obviously spotted how much speed I was having to scrub off at Madgwick, and he whooshed past in a daring move and just drove away. Was a good dice though, and a cracking overtake :thumbup2:.

Race 2, went a touch faster in quali again (sorry Geoff), but with more faster cars this time was much further back. Made a good jump from the line, but then the traditional Goodwood scenario that you see so often at the Revival and Members Meeting happened, and I just couldn't get across to take the corner, there was a car in the way all the time, and I had no option but to try the outside run, inevitably ending up by being sent too wide and onto the grass. Managed a bunch of decent laps to catch up to Geoffers, and then just made a nuisance of myself in his mirrors (sorry Geoff) until he wobbled at St.Marys, and I drove though and away. Did two quick laps, pulled a gap, then was content I wasn't going to go much further so stayed at a good pace without being daft.....But, in contrast to race 1, things didn't remain this way, as the last few laps were punctuated with 4 or 5 run of the circuit moments, all of which on the brakes where the car just wouldn't stop for all the pressing I had been doing before. I did tweak the setup between races, so I am putting it down to that. Lost a load of places and time for what were very simple mistakes, but that's racing.

Glad to have the fat cat done to be honest!

Grats to all the winners, Falcons in a total class of their own here......

@ Daz

It is just not possible for me to purchase any of these Jags.
The car list has an entry for "Jaguar 3.8 MK II" in the left hand list. Selecting that car brings up the animation of the Cobra ( we know why that is there ) and a column of greyed out icons on the right hand side of the screen, each with a small padlock symbol. There are 7 icons which matches the number of skin options in the 64 folder. Clicking on an icon and then selecting the SHOWROOM button brings up a lovely graphic of the correctly numbered car, in it's specific livery, in the showroom complete with all the performance stats, but the SELL button is greyed out and there is no option to BUY.

and Geoffers
The unlock everything tag is active as is proved by being able to get at all the other '64 cars for this series...except the Jag. I cannot see that it can be switched on or off for specific cars? it is either working or it is not?

From where are you trying to buy the car Clive ?

Is it from the car dealer, or after going for practice or similar event, and then trying to buy a car you don't have already?

From the car dealer, I also get the padlock symbol on some cars, including the Jag 3.8, but selecting the car and getting the rotating showroom animation lets me buy it no problem.  The sell button I only see if I go to my own garage, and it's greyed out for many cars - seemingly those with value '0'.

Thanks Erling, I get no BUY option in the showroom although I can clearly see the various Jags. I will however try your idea of visiting PRACTICE and then going back to buy the car......... tomorrow  ;)

Just did a short offline race at Goodwood with MKIIs only, using a stock one for myself.

Curiously enough all seven (!) '64 MKIIs (AI) were out after flipping over after less than half a lap ??? .
So the problem still persists, at least it's gone when you drive the car yourself.

There still seem to be some GTL secrets as I'm working at the moment at a physics update for the Skoda 130RS
which was obviously designed for GTL as a front-engined vehicle by mistake. The stock variants all turn from
the track within a short period of time (Goodwood too - or is it possibly a track issue? Will try other track for
evaluation purposes)

Apologies, I should have been clearer as Erling was, the Car Dealer is the option to go and buy from of course.

OK guys thanks for the files/advice/help which is all most welcome.

Yesterday I spent many hours trying to find my way past this stupid problem, all to no avail. I re-installed the download pack into a fresh virgin install.......I replaced the Jag folder in TC-65 with the one that Tony sent me........I double checked that I had added the small update file to tweak the suspension/tyres that Tony issued........I even re-installed the Goodwood track........I tried a new driver profile......I tried every which way through the menus within GTL to get at the Jags and purchase /use them. In the end I deleted the fresh install with all of the various changes that I had attempted as I figured that I had gone too far down a dark path that was only going to cause me ( and others ??) more grief in the future.

I then gave up on the problem resolving to come back today ( Friday ) and start afresh.

To calm my fevered brow I fired up GPL for some practice, I have races today and Sunday to prepare for and spent 30 mins happily driving cars that wanted to be used  ;)

By then it was time for food and the evening meal, so I left my rig intending to return later in the evening, but we got sucked into a programme series on TV and I totally forgot all about my PC.
Like an elephant, it appears that Microsoft NEVER forgets and this morning I discovered that my PC was still ON ( I normally shut down after races/practice etc ) and that Win 10 had taken the opportunity to perform an update that I had been postponing since early Jan, much to my irritation!

I fired up the original BSCC install a) to see if Win 10 had screwed anything as it has in the past in GPL and GTL. b) to have another go at breathing life into the Jag.

It seems that I might owe Bill Gates a grovelling apology, or at least some credit for what his software appears to have done. ( or more likely, maybe something that we tried yesterday sorted things when GTL rebooted today?) I can now access the Jags and was able to purchase all 7 through the Car Dealer, something that was not possible before as the BUY button was permanently greyed out.

I swear that I do not touch stuff that is working as regards GTL and GPL. The BSCC worked fine at Snetterton with all cars available and on track, so why it should suddenly change for Goodwood I have no idea. I joined the server for a quick test/check of the BSCC on Wed p.m., for the first time since closing down after Snetty, and that was when I discovered that there were no Jags available. I duly reported this on the forum just in case there was a glitch somewhere in the system.

These problems are becoming a source of acute embarrassment to me. I know that I am woefully ignorant of how computers function and how software interacts etc. and I try to steer a very cautious path and not do anything that might screw things up. But these clusterf*cks keep happening. I am eternally grateful for everyone's patience and help in resolving my dumb problems.

So, I still have no idea what was wrong, what happened to cause the problem or what actually fixed it, but the BSCC install appears to be fully functional now with all 7 of the 3.8 Jags available, so once again I am not going to touch it until the next round...................fingers crossed it all works then.

Could only happen to you Clive  ::)

But sounds like whatever the issue was it is now resolved which is great news  :clap: (for all concerned).

BTW I now have an issue so maybe you have passed your  :wacko: over to me.

In a series I'm trying to create I have lost engine sounds. Not the PC or Windows, as other installs work fine. Checked all the obvious stuff and nothing missing or miss-pathed so I have to delete the install and start over.

Beware the curse of Clive I say.  :death:

 I never touched it !!!! :angel-wings:

Glad it is sorted Clive.

Hopefully my problem was only a temporary hiccup. I did two Raceroom races & some GTL practice yesterday without any PC spontaneously restarting problems, so fingers crossed for Monday's Scirocco race.