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Track: Brands Hatch GP

Car restrictions: Drivers are limited to a maximum number of drives per Class. For more information please click HERE (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CVTeIB0vHbw3q_Z_y4ArWjB-FmBoY7rB-lQDJYOWEro/edit?usp=sharing)

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins) Drivers must not leave qualifying to change car make.
Race: 20:40 (25 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk Wednesday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None.

IMPORTANT

We have a poll running which all UKGTL driver's should have a look at please.

You will find it HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=26901.msg523001#msg523001)

Just noticed there are some serious errors in the overall points scoring. I have 4 races where it is shown I scored 0.0 points, in two of which I won the class. Many others have zero scores when they did score points. In fact it shows no one scoring points at the first Crystal Palace race. Class scores seem to be correct.

Thanks for pointing that out Geoffers. Yesterday I was creating the scoring system for a 1965 BSCC series and was using the 1964 BSCC as a template. Obviously I upset something. I'll go have a looksee.

EDIT: Should be Ok now but let me know if you spot anything untoward please.

Virgin Media have informed me that there is the chance that my Internet could be disrupted on Wednesday. I will set the server up late Tuesday night and if I'm not able to make it please advance sessions by voting etc. Oh and have fun.

Yeh, looks OK now.  :thumbup1:

Points don't look OK at all actually. Mine and other people's points from previous rounds are gone  :'(

Can you state at which races your (or others) points are missing please?

Your points look fine to me Hristo. You did not drive at the two Goodwood races & did not start the second Aintree race, all other points are there.  ???

Oops, I'm very sorry... I was only looking at the top table, Class A  ::) Scrolling down, it all looks fine now  ;D

I thank you for your welcome.  :angel:
It's a change from gpl, it's very different.

i need training!

I hope I behaved well, and didn't disturb anyone.

See you next

So I've buggered up the results but the correct ones will be posted asap. Sorry guy's.

EDIT: The replay file is available.

A birthday win for Erling, many grats indeed!

Not one of my better performances, & a rather farcical ending.

Was going to run the Falcon but when I joined I was the only one in it, so rather than a boring race (the car is way faster than the other cars), I changed to the Cortina. However after the first few laps that turned into a rather boring race, an error from me dropped me some 10s behind Daz & Hristo. It got a little more exciting at the end though after I moved up to 3rd when Daz had an off. I won't go into details but my last couple of laps were just ridiculous, spent more time off track than on it & then pulled over & quit back to the pits thinking the race had finished only to discover everyone was still racing, there was still one lap left!!!  :oops:

Luckily I only lost one place to Matt as everyone else had been lapped.

Congrats to Erling, Hristo & Daz.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Edit: It appears from the results I did not lose a place.  ???

Like Geoffers, I intended to take the Falcon...not having driven any other car...
I change for the Jag, fortunately very pleasant to drive !

A good race in the end, with a lot of people and different cars, and people more or less in shape (Dimitar  ???) that allowed me to stay well placed (at least for me  ;))

Grid/server capacity: 22

Car/Track download available by pm to WT


Track: Brands Hatch GP

Car restrictions: Drivers are limited to a maximum number of drives per Class. For more information please click HERE (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CVTeIB0vHbw3q_Z_y4ArWjB-FmBoY7rB-lQDJYOWEro/edit?usp=sharing)

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins) Drivers must not leave qualifying to change car make.
Race: 20:40 (25 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk Wednesday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None.

IMPORTANT

Please go here for results https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=27282#event16382

@ Robby

Unfortunately the results do not include you. But I have given you the points in the Championship table anyway.

Results: after my stop and go (lap 4 or 5 ?) I happily did my laps somewhere between Dimi and Clive so that would make my position 10th.  The shown 5th is Matt’s after a solid drive in the Alfa.

Ok, thanks for the info. I'll review the replay this pm and adjust any error's accordingly.

BTW I did an amazing job of screwing up the results last night. All my fault so sorry for the confusion and delay.

Surprised to be the only Falcon, not least given the large turnout.  Preferred driving it here, instead of in the final rounds at Oulton, so stuck with it.

Don't know if the scoring system is a reflection of the real one, but find it a major and demotivating factor that only class position counts, and not the overall position in the race, as we've had before in other series.  Seems also that there's a lot of potential for overlapping scores between drivers - I believe I'm tied with Hristo now in Class D, and neither of us have any drives left in that class.

Race was not the greatest challenge, given the Falcon's massive straight line advantage - the question would be if Daz and / or Geoffers, who weren't far behind in the beginning, perhaps would get a second chance once my tyres were shredded enough.  As it turned out, I could punch a big enough hole over the first half, and had the gap mostly holding in the 2nd.  Most interesting bits were trying to lap slower cars without too much intrusion into their respective battles - hope I succeded reasonably with that.  Was fun though to drift the big barge through the corners, and required a lot of self control not to overdo it and lose the tyres even faster!

Grats to Hristo & Daz on their podiums.

Indeed it was - thanks!

I am pretty sure Matt passed me just before the finish line (or so I wrongly thought), so he should be 4th.

It's close. Real world scoring in 1964 had points thus: 1st = 8 points, 2nd = 6 points, 3rd = 4 points and 4th received 2 points. They also had 1 point for fastest lap in each class at each race. This scoring system started in 1961 and went up to the 1970's (I have not been able to establish yet exactly when it changed).
Our closest scoring system is 10,8,6,4,3,2,1 so that is what I have used.
When the series was created we did not have the mechanics in place to award fastest lap points but now we do.

I can confirm that as I watched it.

Matt 4
Geoff 5
Christian 6
me 7
DD 8

Robby left about half distance

Results now corrected (I hope  :-[ )

I think what Erling is trying to point to is that we're rewarded class points for the overall standings, instead of treating the whole race result as its own. In other words, it means people in different positions get the same amount of points, because they're in different classes, and the overall standings are being ignored.

As for my race, I did the best I could in the Jaguar, setting a personal best in qualifying. Could have gone 2 tenths faster if it wasn't for traffic, but it was only natural, given the large turnout for this race (great to see!).

I knew that there was no chance to fight with Erling, so my only option was to take bigger risks after the start and hope to get in front of him. Unfortunately I braked a bit too late for T2 and tapped him from behind, sending him into a slow spin. I thought he wouldn't recover it, so when I saw him spin out of view to the right, I slowed down to wait for him. Little did I know Daz hit him and "helped" him recover quickly, so by the time I realized what has happened, I was down to 6 or something, narrowly staying in front of Dimitar.

From there on it was all about pushing as hard as possible and recovering the positions. I was just catching up to Geoffers and Daz, when both had a moment in 2 consecutive corners, so I was suddenly up to 2nd. Erling was already more than 10 seconds ahead by that time and no matter what I did, he was pulling away by about 1 second per lap.

I knew tyres were going to be an issue and with the Cortina being so easy on its tyres, it was going to be tough keeping Geoffers and Daz behind. As expected, Daz caught up with me and when I had a small off at the last corner, he was through into 2nd place. I did my best to close in on him, but sometimes it's so difficult to judge the difference in car size and weight, so we had a moment in T1, after which I waited for him and we resumed our battle.

We exchanged positions 1-2 times more, but then it was his turn to misjudge a braking point going into T4. Funnily (for me) the Jag is so heavy, that it barely felt the hit, while the poor Cortina spun around despite being the offender.  ;D

All this allowed Geoffers to move up to 3rd and now it was his turn to threaten my 2nd place, by going quicker and catching up. Fortunately for me Daz had other ideas and both of them battling allowed me to escape further in front, and eventually secure 2nd after they lost a massive amount of time waiting for each other due to contacts (and other shenanigans, from what I saw on DD's live stream replay analysis  :D ).

Grats to Erling on a well deserved victory - you were out of our league in this race! Grats to Daz for bringing it home in 3rd and commiserations to Geoffers for mistakenly ending his race 1 lap too soon!

I hope we'll continue getting such a big turnout in future races as well. I wonder if this was because of the track and cars, or just a coincidence that everyone was available to race this week.

I fully understood what Erling was saying, thank you.

This is how it went back in the day, and yes, drivers did tie for positions. In fact overall positions in a race were not considered, just class by class positions. I have still not been able to discover exactly when this changed.

Next year we will be running the 1965 BSCC (but on Monday night's). I will introduce fastest laps in class bonus points, but the scoring will remain the same.

EDIT: Class groups ended in 1991.

Amazing fight with Kurt mostly and a short one with Matt. The other part was me fighting the car trying somehow to stay with Cris. :)

Grats to the podium.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zne8Fx0-5Uo

You can take a look on the final standings on the video.

Happy Birthday Erling and grats on the win and welcome to Mnsr Gerard

I do enjoy these multi-class races, but in hindsight maybe opting for the Anglia was a step too far. Ironically it was a toss up between the Anglia and the Falcon in my head, but I had 2 drives left in the Mini/Anglia class.
Dan's pace in the Mini was 4 secs faster than I could squeeze out of the Dagenham dustbin, but as he pointed out in chat at least we were guaranteed 1st and 2nd in class.

My early laps were great fun as I harassed a couple of Jags along with a Cortina and an Alfa. They were battling and slowing each other enough that I could stay with them, being quicker in the corners but losing out on the straights. In some places I was so much quicker that I will claim they were holding me up !! But in reality any of those cars would have passed me on the next straight lol.
I was having a blast ( for the first time in a long while with my steering etc now sorted) until I made my 2 big errors that dashed any hopes of staying with that group of cars.
Both were gearchange related as  went from 4th to 1st twice in one lap!!!  apologies to anyone who was behind and was forced to avoid a tyre smoking Anglia spinning across the track.
The final laps were a great battle with Tony and his Jag with a chance of pinching his place until a small error allowed him to get a few seconds ahead.

I hope that I was not a hinderance to those who lapped me and thanks again for 24 laps of fun.

Thanks, but it was really just the car - I can't take much of the credit for it  :)

Have to say that last night's race was one of the most enjoyable events I've attended in recent memory. Always some action somewhere and it's a period of motorsport I'm very keen on.

Thanks to everyone who turned out and made this such a good evenings racing.

As stated previously, we are running the 1965 BSCC in 2022. So it's farewell to the Falcon's and Jags and Hi to two classes of Mini's

Hope you can all make it in 2022.

OH, YES! :D

OH NO!!  :'(

 :thumbup1:

@ Tony: I'm not quite sure if you screwed up the results or the server, because I'm unable to create the results as all participants
are DNF in the logfile. So no results this time.

In fact one of the most enjoyable races ever, especially in the opening stages.  Sorry for some slight tabs to Dimi and others
& sorry to Tony if there was an incident (did not watch the replay). Using virtual mirrors which in fact creates a big blind spot.
Used Geoffer's GTAm setup from Monday's race (thanks again) for the Giulia and it worked real fine (I assume both cars share similar physics).
Was a bit surprised that I was able to catch Dimi who seemed to be considerably faster in the opening stages of the race and
slightly slower than Christian in the other Jag.

Looking forward to next years series  ;D
Thanks Tony for the creation   :thumbup2:

Happy Birthday subsequently, Erling  :punk:

great video - as always, Dimi  :thumbup1:

Ditto...Not Minis!!  :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

Many, many Mini's ;D

You can open the race file and delete the DNF's but no idea what else you have to do, sorry

So much to say, would probably be typing for hopurs if I wrote it all here....

Cortina was my option, had saved 2 drives in it for some reason that escapes me. Knew Erling would be impossible to stay with, but as he says if the gap was small enough as his tyres went off on the Falcon then maybe the end of the race could be close-ish....No idea where Hristo got his laptime in the Jag from for 2nd on the grid though, epic pace in the old girl!

Clean start, clean through paddock as well which doesn't always happen, but sadly there were some shenanigans at Druids. I arrived at the apex to find a Falcon elegantly draped over the full width of at least half the track, and though I moved all the way to the inside there was just no way to avoid it. I could have dived onto the grass, but was aware of then spinning into the wall myself, and being completely trapped, so chose to hit the front end in an attempt to put Erling out of my way as gently as possible. Seemed to work, if fact very much too well for us as competitors because he essentially immediately steamed off into the distance! The contact had robbed me of speed, and I had to work back up to the tail of Geoffers to make a challenge. Good dice was eventually decided in my favour by a run wide at the exit of Clearways, and I got my head down in an attempt to keep any kind of gap on the rapidly closing Hristo.

Sadly, I just wasn't as consistent as usual last night, the setup certainly was not as sweet as it had been at Silverstone, and I think a bit of damage had been done in the contact with the land barge Falcon. This meant not only did I not pull away from Geoff at all, but then Hristo in the Jag hove into view in the rear mirror. As he said, we then ended up kind of gifting the place to him, but at least it gave me a chance to follow a very sideways Jag for a good few laps as we diced, running very similar laptimes for quite some time but in a very different fashion! Eventually it all got the better of me, and I got drawn into a 'who can be the most out of shape' duel, followed by a 'how many corners on the trot can we be alongside' contest. All of which was fantastic fun to be fair, but every time I got my nose in front I would balls up a little and he went back through. Was essentially 10 laps or so of hilarity, but I then I sent one up the inside that proved to be one too many and round I went....

So, now following Geoffers, about 3 seconds or so ahead, but I was faster by a small amount. Just needed to get in the tow, and it would be game on. Hristo was also not far enough away for us both not to catch him in the remaining 7 laps. Got onto the tail of Geoffers eventually with 3 laps left, and we had both closed on Hristo, so it could well be a great finish I thought. Sadly, between myself and Geoffers it was so tight on laptime that any overtake was going to be difficult. And this proved to decisive, as we ended up taking ourselves out of the running, more my doing I am sure as I was mostly following...Apologies if anything was out of order Geoff, I am going to have to check the replay to remind myself of what happened as it has formed a blur now.....

Great racing, shame about the errors, but that can partly be blamed on having to push hard I suppose. Outrageous pace in the Jag Hristo, and if I drove it like that the tyres would be destroyed in about 10 lap, so how you kept it going forward at that pace I have no idea.

Super clean victory for Erling in the end, congratulations all round.

The tyres (of the Jag at least) seem to have a fairly large peak slip angle, so as long as you don't go over that, the wear is not that bad, even with seemingly big angles of attack / sideways action. I was trying to do more of my acceleration in a straighter line to look after my tyres even more, but I doubt it made that much of a difference. The wear became more of a factor after mid distance and I could tell that both your and Geoffers' Cortinas were gaining on me ever so slightly. If it wasn't for mistakes and time lost from dueling each other, I doubt I could've held onto 2nd.

You can check my driving (and wear) on the stream recording https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1169259331

Lol thanks!   Helped me more than I realized in the situation..  :D

Giving the file the correct name and adding some fictional racetimes solved the problem.
Order and position graph should be okay.
Added Robby with fictional times & race length, as I dont know the real standings for him.

Result (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2021//06102021_EarlyBrands)


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