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Track: Karlskoga (Gellerasen)

Cars: Aston Martin DB4, Ferrari 250 GTO, Jaguar E-Type

Car restrictions: One drive maximum per make/per night. You decide which race you enter which make in.

RACE ONE
Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (5 mins) Drivers must not leave qualifying to change car make. One attempt at a timed lap only
Race: 20:25 (14 laps)

RACE TWO & RACE THREE will follow, with same rules

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk Wednesday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
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(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None

Such a tricky little track! Did some serious practice with the Aston just now and had to go about in a different direction than usual with the setup. Best is a 1:13.500 so far.

Time to have a go in the Ferrari now. I'll upload the setups for all 3 cars after I'm done.

OK, all 3 cars setups uploaded to the online database. It took much less time to set up both the Ferrari and Jaguar, but perhaps it's because I already knew the track better after the Aston run.

So far the Jaguar is the fastest for me, surprisingly, with a 1:13.257. Ferrari is almost as fast as Aston, with a 1:13.540

Thanks Hristo. These setups will help massively. I'll test in a minute.

Thanks for posting your setups Hristo. I only tried your one for the Ferrari because I am always well off the pace in that & you are super quick in it. Well I must be missing something because I could not get below 1.16 with it  & was over 2s slower than with my own setup!!! I was hoping it would show where my setup was lacking but no such luck. I have posted my setup online if anyone wants to give it a try.

I think it's down to the lines and acceleration points through some of the corners. They don't seem so intuitive at first, but somehow deliver a lap time. I've uploaded my hotlap replays for the best times in each of the cars, if you and anyone else want to have a look:

https://we.tl/t-MeYR6I3oA1

Hristo's setups are great but too oversteery for me. So i made some changes and here is what i have at the moment: 13.4 with Aston and 13.6 with Ferrari and Jag.

All setups uploaded if someone wants to take a look.

Results and replay now posted.

EDIT: Just spotted errors. I'll see if I can fix things.

Now fixed  ::)

Grats to the usual aliens  on the podiums.

These 3 race evenings are good fun and thanks to Tony for organising.

At last, after all my recent probs I was beginning to feel that I was regaining some decent race pace in GTL. I also downloaded Hristo's setups, but just like DD I find all of his setups far too oversteery and twitchy, so a few adjustments to "soften" them and things got better. I enjoyed several laps actually feeling that I was involved in a race again.

One thing that I did alter ( something which I have rarely looked at ) was the STEERING SENSITIVITY within the GTL CONTROLS menu. It was set at 100% on my PC and I dropped it to 65%, which made a noticeable difference to the handling ( or my ability to control it ) and then to 50% which was even better. So, that raises the question about what settings Hristo ( or anyone else posting setups ) is using as it appears to make a huge difference. I also backed off the ACCELERATOR setting to around 60% and that certainly smoothed out the snap oversteer out of the corners.

As each race unfolded I would tweak the sensitivity settings and discovered that they have a much bigger effect that I ever anticipated. I even managed a 1:15.01 best lap which was around 3 secs better than my practice times, so something was working.

One question that I do have is about FF within GTL? I did not make any adjustments to the FF  settings for any of the races. But, the steering on the Jag in Race 1 was quite light...Race 2 in the Fezza was the same in Quali, but at the start of the Race the FF load trebled and I was struggling to apply full lock on the tight corners....Race 3 in the Aston and we were back to similar levels as the Jag ??

It would make sense that the setup can affect the feel of the FF, but as all of Hristo's setups were similar I wonder if anyone else experienced similar weird effects??

I had no choice about the setups, because it seemed the only way to extract speed from the car around this slow twisty track was to drift the cars around a bit more than usual.

As for speed sensitivity, you should always set that to 0, otherwise your steering ratio is going to change with speed, making steering less sensitive as you go faster. It's mostly used with gamepads and joysticks, to help control the direction of the car better without having to be too precise. It's not necessary with a steering wheel though, unless you're using one of those cheap ones with limited degrees of rotation.

As for the FFB, for the Jaguar I have to increase the FFB strength and for the Ferrari I usually lower it a bit. Haven't noticed any difference between Q and R though.

EDIT: Oops, I was thinking of speed sensitivity but you meant steering. As Geoffers said bellow, setting it to 50% is best for perfect linearity.

Quite enjoyed the cars/track combo but apart from a few laps trying to fend off the attentions of Alvaro & Hristo in race 2, not the most exciting races. I seem to have settled into a bit of a no-mans-land where I am off the pace of the aliens but too fast for the mortals leading to some rather tame races.

Congrats to Alvaro, Hristo & DD on their podiums.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Clive, common procedure is to have all control sensitivities set to 50% as apparently that gives a linear response. Also yes I agree that the steering on the Ferrari is a little heavier than the other two cars although not to the extent you mentioned. Odd though that it only occurred in the race. ???

Here still exist a G25 Steering-Wheel-Guide (back from 2008):

http://www.gt-legends.dk/GTLDK/showthread.php?37-G25-Steering-Wheel-Guide-deutsch-english (http://www.gt-legends.dk/GTLDK/showthread.php?37-G25-Steering-Wheel-Guide-deutsch-english)

The place where it all once began.

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Last week at 67Laguna I realized that I had to change my degrees of rotation & ffb settings completely to make the Impala reasonably driveable (using DD's before)

Thanks for the feedback guys

I suspect that Hristo is referring to the SPEED SENSITIVE STEERING slider ?, which I have always had at zero for the very reasons that he mentions. The sliders that I was referring to were the independent ones for Steering/Accelerator/Brake/ Clutch.

Geoffers' comment regarding the 50% position of the control input sliders makes absolute sense in view of what I experienced in the races. How they ever got to the 85%-95% levels before last night, I do not know.

However, I think I need to delve into the FF a little more as something is clearly not quite right there. Slightly re assuring to discover that different cars/setups DO have an effect and adjustments need to be made to the FF levels with each car to compensate. I assume that Geoffers is not referring to the Steering Ratio in the setup, but to the actual FF levels on the main menu?
I need to check whether I have "allowed" the game to change settings or if I have the Thrustmaster software overriding it all, as that could be where the anomaly lies?

I had not made any adjustment to the FF either within the Thrustmaster software or within GTL after booting up my rig or throughout the 3 races. The Jag and the Aston were too light and had no "weight" to the steering but the Ferrari was OK during Q, but about twice as heavy as anyone would want during the race. Somewhere in between these extremes is where I want to be.

@ Kurt.... I have finally dumped my trusty old G25 and now I am using a shiny new Thrustmaster T300 wheel and pedals. But, just to complicate my simracing even further, I have been given a new ( still in the box!!) set of 3 Fanatec pedals (with the load cell type brake pedal) to try and keep if I like them.

I used to just stick to the default FFB settings of GTL, but for several months now I've been using DD's FFB tweaks that he found somewhere else, so perhaps he could link them again for you to try, Clive.

Result_Race1 (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2021//14072021_Gellerasen_R1)

Result_Race2 (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2021//14072021_Gellerasen_R2)

Result_Race3 (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2021//14072021_Gellerasen_R3)


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I assume, you are talking about this one:

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=22902.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=22902.0)

Yep it's that one. Alvaro gave it to me, i hope he won't mind that i share it.

EDIT: Sorry it's not that. This is the previous version i was using. But still i think this is better that the original GTL FFB.

Three good races. You can take a look on my replay with camera and commentary here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjrUqwqsTS4

Grats to Alvaro and Hristo on their wins and Geoff on his podium.

Thanks Kurt  :thumbup1:

I didn't make a mistake in Race 2 DD, I moved over to let you through, as I wasn't really racing you  :angel:

Really tough 3 races, fighting mostly with Alvaro who was so quick in all the cars. Dimitar and Geoffers also played a role, but it was mostly down to chasing Alvaro and trying to overtake him. Managed to do that in race 2 and almost succeeded at the very end of race 3 (worth watching the final few corners of the last lap)!

In race highlights i said it was all my fault i think. And this is the truth. Sorry if you ddn't understand me.

No problem. I didn't mean the contact. I meant later when you caught up.

Yes, i am sure. Unfortunately i was able to stop later as always :D and i had to be more careful. :)

I understand, I am usually a late braker, but I was being cautious in a crowd  :o
That was not an issue, you lost time as well, so no problem.

Later in your vid, as you caught up in the corner after the hairpin, you said "He's made a mistake"
I didn't make a mistake, I pulled over to let you through, as I was not really racing you.  :angel:

I think something got lost in translation..... when I said "I didn't mean the contact"
I was not saying " I didn't intend the contact", I was saying "That is not what I am talking about"  ;D

Oh, sorry Matt, i was streaming and posting at the same time and i didn't realize you are talking about other situation. :D All clear now :)