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Title: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 04, 2020, 02:11:29 PM +0000
Championship standings HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=672&theme=5)

Grid/server capacity: 22

Car/Track download pack available by pm to WT

Track: Zandvoort '67

Cars: Aston Martin DB4, Ferrari 250 GTO, Jaguar E-Type

Car restrictions: One drive maximum per make/per night. You decide which race you enter which make in.

RACE ONE
Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (5 mins) Drivers must not leave qualifying to change car make. One attempt at a timed lap only
Race: 20:25 (10 laps)

RACE TWO & RACE THREE will follow, with same rules

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk Wednesday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: Admin note, track glitch causes winner car to re-appear on track before finish line.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 17, 2021, 02:27:36 PM +0100
Look out for Matt's new series beginning this Thursday https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1631&theme=4


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Hristo Itchov on October 20, 2021, 01:56:07 AM +0100
Did some laps in the Jaguar and Ferrari. Very difficult to nail a perfect lap. Did 32s in both cars, but it came much easier in the Jag. The Fezza is difficult to slow down for T1 and I expect the Aston to be even worse. Going to try that one tomorrow and upload all 3 setups once I'm done.

Overall I'm going for a more aggressive balance to reduce the understeer and carry more speed through the long fast corners. It makes accelerating out of the 2 slow ones a bit more tricky, but it's worth it.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Hristo Itchov on October 20, 2021, 11:39:44 AM +0100
Just finished a run in the Aston as well and it's by far the easiest car to drive around this track. In terms of pace, it's on about the same level as the Ferrari for me.

I uploaded my setups for all 3 cars in the online database, if anyone needs a starting point. You can also watch my test with the Jaguar and Ferrari from yesterday here:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1181452114

I'm pretty much using the same lines as I would in GPL, sacrificing exits here and there to get a better position for the following corner, getting back on the power as early as possible. With the Aston it's even enjoyable, as it's such a predictable car compared to the other 2.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: seniordan on October 20, 2021, 11:45:10 AM +0100
Peter Greendike is visiting me today and he would like to join in tonight's fun. He is a member.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 20, 2021, 11:54:09 AM +0100
Peter Greendike is visiting me today and he would like to join in tonight's fun. He is a member.
Yes, we know Peter  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: SpecialKS on October 20, 2021, 02:23:49 PM +0100
Hope to be here for one or maximum two ones tonight.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Erling G-P on October 20, 2021, 10:10:37 PM +0100
An otherwise fun evening ruined by a track bug.  Had 200m left before the finish and a certain 2nd place, when Hristo's car materializes right before my car, colliding with it instantly.  Have tried to make a video from the replay, but can't get the recording to work.

Normally I don't ask for adjustment of results, but there was simply nothing I could have done to avoid it, and bar a computer crash, my 2nd place was absolutely certain, so will make an exception in this case.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 20, 2021, 10:14:59 PM +0100
Results and replay now posted.

I'll check the replay for Race 3 Erling.

EDIT: Done


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Erling G-P on October 20, 2021, 10:34:12 PM +0100
Results and replay now posted.

I'll check the replay for Race 3 Erling.

EDIT: Done

Thanks Tony - I hope everyone is ok with it?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Erling G-P on October 20, 2021, 10:46:32 PM +0100
Looks like results for race 1 should be adjusted too for Geoffers - he suffered pretty much the same fate as me, apart from a better chance to see the car before hitting it.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Geoffers on October 20, 2021, 11:13:51 PM +0100
Looks like results for race 1 should be adjusted too for Geoffers - he suffered pretty much the same fate as me, apart from a better chance to see the car before hitting it.

Not worth bothering with to be honest, it caught me by surprise but I should really have missed it. Rest of the evening was a bit of a disaster so it doesn't matter.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on October 20, 2021, 11:28:12 PM +0100
In my opinion the right decision is to give Erling and Geoff their real results - 2nd and 4th. This is something not planned and normal so we must change the file with the results. EDIT: Both files.  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 21, 2021, 10:41:35 AM +0100
In my opinion the right decision is to give Erling and Geoff their real results - 2nd and 4th. This is something not planned and normal so we must change the file with the results. EDIT: Both files.  :)
Done


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: phspok on October 21, 2021, 11:40:21 AM +0100
I would go with it, but if someone's internet fails on the last lap, I can't remember adjusting results
and I saw the cars parked on the straight and drove round them. Perhaps I had more time than someone
closer to the finish line. Not an easy call, but we have now set a precedent.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Geoffers on October 21, 2021, 11:57:34 AM +0100
I tend to agree with Matt, particularly in my case as although DD's car suddenly appeared I really did have time to avoid it. Different with Erling as Hristo's car emerged at almost the same instant that Erling reached that point. Internet dropping out is a different matter, that is just too bad, but in this case it is some bug with the track as it happened in all three races. I would suggest that we do not use this track again until it is fixed.

PS: It is Tony's decision, but I request that I am returned to 9th place in race 1.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Erling G-P on October 21, 2021, 12:14:00 PM +0100
I tend to agree with Matt, particularly in my case as although DD's car suddenly appeared I really did have time to avoid it. Different with Erling as Hristo's car emerged at almost the same instant that Erling reached that point. Internet dropping out is a different matter, that is just too bad, but in this case it is some bug with the track as it happened in all three races. I would suggest that we do not use this track again until it is fixed.

PS: It is Tony's decision, but I request that I am returned to 9th place in race 1.

Like I said earlier, I would normally not ask for adjustment of results, and have suffered plenty of mishaps late in races and just accepted it.  Yesterday was special though; thought at the time that I had hit an invisible car, as it only became visible in the same instant I hit it, so no way of avoiding it.  Since my internet didn't drop out, and I only had 200m of clear, straight track left, and an undamaged car, it's 100% certain I would have finished 2nd without the bug - even if I had run out of fuel, I could have rolled across the line well before the 3rd place car.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Hristo Itchov on October 21, 2021, 12:46:31 PM +0100
OK, I admit it, Erling, it was deliberate and part of my plan to get Dimitar back up to 2nd  :wetfish:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Erling G-P on October 21, 2021, 01:49:37 PM +0100
OK, I admit it, Erling, it was deliberate and part of my plan to get Dimitar back up to 2nd  :wetfish:

Well, in that case, it was certainly perfectly executed!  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on October 21, 2021, 02:14:42 PM +0100
Great racing yesterday. We had good chases and battles with Hristo. Shame about I made so many mistakes, so I had to take only 2 second positions and one 3rd.

Grats to Hristo on his amazing driving and hat trick and to all on the podium. :)

https://youtu.be/6-u5ra-DC4o


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 21, 2021, 02:26:07 PM +0100
I tend to agree with Matt, particularly in my case as although DD's car suddenly appeared I really did have time to avoid it. Different with Erling as Hristo's car emerged at almost the same instant that Erling reached that point. Internet dropping out is a different matter, that is just too bad, but in this case it is some bug with the track as it happened in all three races. I would suggest that we do not use this track again until it is fixed.

PS: It is Tony's decision, but I request that I am returned to 9th place in race 1.
Done


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: EvilClive on October 21, 2021, 02:33:12 PM +0100
After a 4 day weekend break, I returned home early enough to join the mayhem.

Thanks to Hristo for posting his setups. They were not exactly to my liking, but certainly better than the defaults ( and probably a lot better than I could have concocted   ::)). A few tweaks to roll bars and diff and my lap times improved.  ;)

Race 1
The Fezza felt like it was the easiest to drive and I was holding pace with Geoffers up ahead until i got too confident and made a complete horlicks of a corner. This allowed Tony to catch and take the opportunity to get ahead in his Aston(?). Like Hristo, I know this circuit layout from GPL and like Hristo I also know that there is really only one passing place which is braking into Tarzan. But, that requires better brakes than any of these cars appeared to possess!! Tony defended his position for lap after lap and a couple of my attempts to engineer a pass ended in my adjusting the length of the grass  :-\.
Each time I was able to catch Tony again quite quickly even when my excursions allowed Kurt to pass me. Eventually I worked out where I was carrying more speed and went for a pass that required 3 or 4  corners to complete. Once ahead I was able to ease away comfortably, but was too far adrift from Geoffers to challenge....until I saw the wreckage just before the finish line and took avoiding action  ;D.


Race 2 with the Aston was a further improvement on my recent performances. Thanks to Kurt's observation about my brake lights I have made some crucial adjustments to the pedal software/sensitivity. Combined with the fix for the FF ( Alt/F ) things are beginning to feel much better in the controls dept.
Qualifying behind Erling and his Jag was a surprise but he provided me with a pace car for the early laps until I realised that I was perhaps slightly faster?? Now that has not happened for quite some time!!. Getting past him was going to be a problem, coz generally Erling does not make mistakes  :(. But it was obviously be nice to Clive week, because he went sideways at Tarzan and left the road clear.... :thumbup1: thankyou Erling.
A few laps later I discovered that I was up to 3rd place and I could almost taste the champagne. With a good gap back to Matt I relaxed until..... Lack of concentration allowed a rear wheel to get onto the grass and suddenly Matt was within a second :scared:. A few laps pushing hard eased me away and I got my champagne  ;)

Race 3
The setup for the Jag had seemed the best of the 3 during pre race practice, but the intermittent return of my FF gremlins screwed my quali lap and I started at the back of the field.
At the start it was clear that I needed to hit Alt/F to reinstate the FF to a very wobbly car, then I fluffed a downshift ...3 offs in 1.5 laps!!!  This did nothing to improve my mood and when I screwed yet another gearshift and went into dune buggy mode I decided to call it a day.

Grats to the podium guys and thanks to Tony for organising the historics series.






Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Geoffers on October 21, 2021, 03:09:41 PM +0100
Just noticed I scored points in race 3 despite crashing out on lap 1. I thought the SROUK rule was that you needed to complete 1 lap before you could score points, has that changed for some series?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Geoffers on October 21, 2021, 03:10:50 PM +0100
I tend to agree with Matt, particularly in my case as although DD's car suddenly appeared I really did have time to avoid it. Different with Erling as Hristo's car emerged at almost the same instant that Erling reached that point. Internet dropping out is a different matter, that is just too bad, but in this case it is some bug with the track as it happened in all three races. I would suggest that we do not use this track again until it is fixed.

PS: It is Tony's decision, but I request that I am returned to 9th place in race 1.
Done

Thanks Tony.  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Hristo Itchov on October 21, 2021, 04:31:15 PM +0100
Race 2 with the Aston was a further improvement on my recent performances. Thanks to Kurt's observation about my brake lights I have made some crucial adjustments to the pedal software/sensitivity. Combined with the fix for the FF ( Alt/F ) things are beginning to feel much better in the controls dept.
Qualifying behind Erling and his Jag was a surprise but he provided me with a pace car for the early laps until I realised that I was perhaps slightly faster?? Now that has not happened for quite some time!!. Getting past him was going to be a problem, coz generally Erling does not make mistakes  :(. But it was obviously be nice to Clive week, because he went sideways at Tarzan and left the road clear.... :thumbup1: thankyou Erling.
A few laps later I discovered that I was up to 3rd place and I could almost taste the champagne. With a good gap back to Matt I relaxed until..... Lack of concentration allowed a rear wheel to get onto the grass and suddenly Matt was within a second :scared:. A few laps pushing hard eased me away and I got my champagne  ;)

Didn't notice it yesterday, so grats on getting back to the podium, Clive!

As Dimitar said, I was able to benefit from him making more mistakes than usual, even though he had the pace to fight in at least 2 of the 3 races and was also leading, which meant I had little chance to overtake, but luck was in my favour.

I look forward to the next few races, as this championship is the one I enjoy the most this seson. The cars are a joy to drive and somehow almost always produce similar lap times, despite their technical differences.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: SpecialKS on October 21, 2021, 06:38:43 PM +0100
Result_Race1 (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2021//20102021_Zandvoort67_R1)

Result_Race2 (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2021//20102021_Zandvoort67_R2)

Result_Race3 (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2021//20102021_Zandvoort67_R3)


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Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Erling G-P on October 21, 2021, 07:52:01 PM +0100
Initially I hated the track/cars combo, but with some practice, I started enjoying all 3 cars.  The track has much of what I normally like - fast, sweeping curves and elevation changes.  Very challenging, as you have to keep your lines very tight, to get a fast lap (relatively speaking)

Race 1:
Had not expected to be fighting Geoffers in a Ferrari with my Jag, but that's how it turned out.  Had a gap of a few secs most of the race, but required 100% concentration and nailing every corner to maintain it.  Up ahead, the occational dust plume indicated that Manfred had had a moment, but it was never enough for me to profit from.  Grats to Hristo & pod.

Race 2:
No Clive, you qualified ahead of my Ferrari, but I did a Dan, mugging you at the start  ;D.   Staying ahead of Clive would be problematic it seemed, and after a couple of laps, I lost the rear, braking for T1, spinning off and gifting the place to Clive.  Wasted a huge amount of time trying to right the car; got stuck with nose up the banking and had to reverse, losing 3 more places in the process.  Managed to slipstream past an uncharacteristically slow Manfred in an Aston. Bit of a scary moment as we were both approaching another, slow moving Aston.  Had to adjust my line to go around it and feared I might hit Manfred, but thankfully that didn't happen.  Next hunted down Tony and passed him into T1 after some more slipstreaming.  Had my sights on Matt in 4th, when I noticed the presense of a green Aston in my mirror. Quick check revealed it to be Geoffers - so he had been the mystery, slow Aston I just avoided earlier.  My hunt for 4th now became a battle to keep 5th. However, as he got close, Geoff spun off entering the straight, so I could focus on Matt again.  Too little too late though, and the race ended before I could do much more.  Again grats to Hristo & pod.

Race 3:
Mugged Geoffers at the start this time . guess he must have been getting tired of me by then, but regrettably saw him flying off into the dunes in my mirror.   Couldn't keep up with the front runners obviously, but gradually pulling away from Matt, so a little lonely, until I caught up to a recovering Dimitar.  He started pulling away again, but then performed a dune stunt, gifting me 2nd - until Hristo's dastardly plan was executed...   Grats to Hristo on yet another win, commiserations/gratulations to Dimitar on 3rd.

Thanks again to Hristo for the setups - used the one for the Jag, while for the other two, earlier and slightly tweaked Hristo setups proved the best for me.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 21, 2021, 08:07:58 PM +0100
Result_Race1 (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2021//20102021_Zandvoort67_R1)

Result_Race2 (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2021//20102021_Zandvoort67_R2)

Result_Race3 (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2021//20102021_Zandvoort67_R3)


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Thanks Kurt  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup - Zandvoort - Oct 20
Post by: Daz9 on October 22, 2021, 08:39:27 AM +0100
Sorry guys, couldn't attend due to doing house smartening up work in preparation for sale.....Likely to effect my racing for a few weeks to be honest.