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Title: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: FullMetalGasket on December 06, 2020, 04:16:08 PM +0000
Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=1252)

(https://i.postimg.cc/HngNz2kw/Round-6.png)

Welcome to Round 6 of the DTM season. This will be our one and only trip to a fictitious circuit for this season.
Some of you will know Horsma already, some will not - it is a very well created (But bumpy) circuit based in Finland. It is intentionally worn and with a poorly maintained racing surface - you have been warned ;D
Ballast will be applied to the following drivers as follows:

+20Kgs = Manteos
+15Kgs = FMG
+10Kgs = Fabri
+ 5Kgs = Jos

Due to it's hilly and bumpy nature I highly recommend you get some practice in prior to the event if you don't know this track/layout - there are some nasty surprises hidden over blind crests and at the end of constantly tightening corners.

When joining the server please ensure you select the correct car.


Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Practice: 19:30 (45 mins)
Qual: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30  (2x 11 lap races)


Cars allowed:
Alfa 155 (+11Kg ballast, 10% (-42Hp) restrictor)
BMW M3 DTM (no handicap)
Ford Sierra R500 V3.03 (+20Kg Ballast, 45% restrictor (turbos don't respond the same as N/A before you ask!)
https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/ford-sierra-cosworth-rs500-pack.24027/
Mercedes 190E DTM (+6Kg ballast, 1% (-6.3Hp) restrictor).


Track: Horsma Full
https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/horsma-raceway.27713/ (https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/horsma-raceway.27713/)

The first lap of each race will be moderated as far as turn 13 - any incidents that require moderation beyond that point will require a report to be raised in the normal fashion.

Live Timing: here (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat) (Only available in the week up to the race)

Time of Day Setting: 15:00
Weather: Clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: Not required

Server track settings:
SESSION_START=100
RANDOMNESS=0
LAP_GAIN=0
SESSION_TRANSFER=N/a

Damage: 70%


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Jos Ogos on February 04, 2021, 01:56:21 PM +0000
"...intentionally worn and with a poorly maintained racing surface..."

Ummmm, Sierra territory again?  ::)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Mark J on February 04, 2021, 02:48:15 PM +0000
tempted to say ive never raced here, certainly dont remember the name, though usually some bright spark chirps up and tells me i raced here in 2002 or something  :laugh:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Fabri Fibra on February 04, 2021, 02:56:33 PM +0000
"...intentionally worn and with a poorly maintained racing surface..."

Ummmm, Sierra territory again?  ::)

Yep  ;D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: FullMetalGasket on February 04, 2021, 04:46:11 PM +0000
Ballasts corrected and server is now up :)

I've raced here once or twice with SRO Mark, so some of our other regulars will have done the same - this may have been before you started racing there though as it was in one of the GPL series..


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: IbnSolmyr on February 05, 2021, 02:02:40 AM +0000
Installed the track and did a couple of laps in F50 and then a few more in Sierra.

This track is very well made but totally insane ! Designed by a deviant brain for sure !  :o  ;D

SRO F50 series guys, if you want to get nausea, just try the F50 on it.  :laugh:



Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: FullMetalGasket on February 05, 2021, 07:24:25 AM +0000
I took a 917K out last night to test my new wheel - now THAT's insane ;)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Jos Ogos on February 05, 2021, 07:32:30 AM +0000
I took a 917K out last night to test my new wheel - now THAT's insane ;)

New Wheel... Congrats, Tim!

Is this a humanising wheel  :detective:, Tim... Or are you becoming greener and greener  :alien: with it?


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: FullMetalGasket on February 05, 2021, 07:55:56 AM +0000
I went a tenth quicker at Brands within 4 laps last night on my race setup - I'm being forced to drive less flamboyantly while my muscle re-learn how to drive :P

Don't worry, soon I'll adjust and go straight back to wildly over-driving everything ;D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Jos Ogos on February 05, 2021, 08:35:48 AM +0000
I went a tenth quicker at Brands within 4 laps last night on my race setup
:scared: :surrender: :sweatdrop: :cursing: tumbleweed


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Mark J on February 05, 2021, 09:27:30 AM +0000
what wheel did you go for Tim?  Got to say i love the DD wheel i'm using now (VRS), you just feel so much more through the wheel, ie tyre grip and track surface. I need to build up a collection of steering rims like Jos has now for use with my QR system for added immersion  8)

Goldtop got his (new to him) G25 i sent him and is enjoying it already, and Stefans new to him Fanatec wheel is en-route into Europe for him too so its new wheels all round for some of the gang  :)

D/loaded the track last night but not had a chance to try it.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: FullMetalGasket on February 05, 2021, 09:54:22 AM +0000
I've gone Thrustmaster and got one of these plus the Sparco Rally wheel (I need a round wheel for all my drifty shinanigans ;) )
https://shop.thrustmaster.com/en_gb/products-steering-wheels/ts-xw-servo-base.html (https://shop.thrustmaster.com/en_gb/products-steering-wheels/ts-xw-servo-base.html)
It's VERY smooth and quiet compared to my knackered old G25, but the different sized rim is messing up my reflexes a bit still.
Drifting with it feels wonderful though when done right, as does ACC based on the 2.5 hours I spent at Zolder in the GT4's last night (I was fully drifting T1 in the Wazarati towards the end :wub: ).

I wish Fanatec had bothered making their store work better post Brexit, as I could have built a wheel that uses my Momo from the track car (instant saving of a few hundred quid), but Fanatec would have been a 2 week+ wait and customs charges and extra courier cost on a system that was already several hundred pounds more.
I have to say that their complete lack of clarity on shopping from the UK and the many issues on their forums have put me right off buying from them.

Thrustmaster had my wheel with me from France in 2 working days with no paperwork in comparison..

I've also got some Load cell pedals on back order and will be ordering an SHH shifter once they allow orders again - I'm currently stuck with the TM wheel, G25, Rift, and button box all needing to be plugged in so I can drive. It's a right old mess of cables ::)



Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Lorenzo Galluzzi on February 05, 2021, 02:56:58 PM +0000
Glad to hear you are enjoing your new wheel Tim! I think that will be my choice too...

Btw...i'm entering in my new house next month, and having more space available i'm planning to build a driving setup, is anyone using a cockpit? Do you have any suggestions? No motion atm :laugh:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Mark J on February 05, 2021, 03:11:20 PM +0000
i upgraded mine during lockdown Lorenzo, bit the bullet after 12yrs using a Playseat, and went full ali-rig, TrackRacer TR160. Its a great setup, very sturdy and very adjustable. Over-priced like they all are though considering they are just packs of cut aluminium profile frame bolted together and a seat of your choosing.  ::) I bet they have a minimum 50-70% mark up!  :o


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: goldtop on February 05, 2021, 03:53:27 PM +0000

Goldtop got his (new to him) G25 i sent him and is enjoying it already, and Stefans new to him Fanatec wheel is en-route into Europe for him too so its new wheels all round for some of the gang  :)

D/loaded the track last night but not had a chance to try it.

Yep, G25 arrived from MJ  8) I'm now all set up and ready to start threatening the back of the grid again  :)

I quite liked the DFGT but the G25 is a noticeable improvement and if anything feels even slightly better than a G27 I had a while ago. Getting used to H shifting and clutch will be a challenge though, just doesn't seem natural in a sim after using paddles, although I seem to have been able to do it all these years in my old Saab :laugh:

What ffb settings were you using for your G25 Tim? And did you mod your pedals in any way?


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: FullMetalGasket on February 05, 2021, 05:52:56 PM +0000
Stock and Stock  :)

Only adjustments I made was to adjust the dead zones for the clutch and throttle to work around my ancient and somewhat unrealiable potentiometers (There are good videos and even a guide on some website on how to pull your pedals apart to clean those bits).
My are so heavily used that I have to do it once every 6 months or so now.

Hence getting the Thrustmaster pedals as they are hall effect so in theory the sensors can't wear out.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: IbnSolmyr on February 05, 2021, 06:10:14 PM +0000
Tim, let me know if you would like me to share my Thrusmaster (T500RS) settings if it can help you getting a nice feeling. I improved mines over the time and it can make a huge difference of course.  ;)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: goldtop on February 05, 2021, 06:55:16 PM +0000
Stock and Stock  :)

Only adjustments I made was to adjust the dead zones for the clutch and throttle to work around my ancient and somewhat unrealiable potentiometers (There are good videos and even a guide on some website on how to pull your pedals apart to clean those bits).
My are so heavily used that I have to do it once every 6 months or so now.

Hence getting the Thrustmaster pedals as they are hall effect so in theory the sensors can't wear out.

Wow  :o I spend more time tweaking and faffing with my ffb than I do racing  :laugh: Currently I'm using the "Recommended" LUT for the G25 https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/rasmusps-lut-guide-for-g27-29-and-dfgt.16799/ which I'm very happy with, but knowing me that will probably change  ::) For the brake pedal I'm using a DIY version of the "Nixim" mod which is basically a lump of rubber inside the spring to limit travel and give greater resistance. So far this works much better than the squash ball I had in my old DFGT pedals.

I've found Servisol best for cleaning pots. Been using it on pedals and my guitar and amplifier pots for years....real miracle juice.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: spanner on February 05, 2021, 07:17:34 PM +0000
Will be interested to hear how you get on with the Thrustmaster wheel and their loadcell pedals Tim.

Having moved from my G27 to a T300 6years ago (gulp just checked) I'm still in love with it and will probably stick with Thrustmaster, their pedals look attractive compared to fanatec and their wheels sound quite different to set up as well.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: FullMetalGasket on February 05, 2021, 09:18:16 PM +0000
I'll try and remember to update you then - I think the pedals are returning to stock around the end of Feb, so I guess I'll get them end of Feb, beginning of March.
The SHH is the annoying one - can't even order until late next week, and then a loooong wait.
If not for Covid restrictions I could make my own in that time! ;D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: spanner on February 05, 2021, 11:12:42 PM +0000
i upgraded mine during lockdown Lorenzo, bit the bullet after 12yrs using a Playseat, and went full ali-rig, TrackRacer TR160. Its a great setup, very sturdy and very adjustable. Over-priced like they all are though considering they are just packs of cut aluminium profile frame bolted together and a seat of your choosing.  ::) I bet they have a minimum 50-70% mark up!  :o

Lol, i only just read your post.. i think they are, though i was shocked how expensive seats generally are! Did you go with a Trak Racer seat?


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Mark J on February 06, 2021, 03:03:28 PM +0000
Yes Mark, even they are over priced but cheaper than a Recaro etc. I was tempted to swipe the Recaro Pole position from the pax seat of my old 911 and use that.  :) the TR seat is pretty well made and comfy actually.

This is a tricky track, learning it in my minimal practise time will be a challenge  :P


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: IbnSolmyr on February 07, 2021, 12:16:44 PM +0000
Hello all !

Tim, Jos and I forgot to ask if we could register here in Srouk our "official team" named "Crank of Brothers" like we did in SRO as you may know. :)

@Matteo : please, master, no need to humiliate us all mere Sierra mortals !!  ;D ;D ;D :taz: :hang:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: FullMetalGasket on February 07, 2021, 02:40:19 PM +0000
I think I've done that correctly - If I remember correctly you'll both get a PM with a link in it.
You have to do what ever it says to accept, and then you'll be in the team.

Let me know once you're both in as I think I'm currently classed as the founding member, so will have to resign in order to hand the team over.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: IbnSolmyr on February 07, 2021, 05:36:59 PM +0000
I think I've done that correctly - If I remember correctly you'll both get a PM with a link in it.
You have to do what ever it says to accept, and then you'll be in the team.

Let me know once you're both in as I think I'm currently classed as the founding member, so will have to resign in order to hand the team over.

I tried to register but am really not sure it's ok.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: FullMetalGasket on February 07, 2021, 06:18:40 PM +0000
You driver info says you've joined  :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Bob on February 07, 2021, 08:52:11 PM +0000
 >:( The minute the start lights came on  got a drive through for no reason then kicked to desktop. Got a clean install of win10 and AC. This only happens on a Sunday. Feel like giving up! Anyone know if there is a log file anywhere to give me a clue.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: FullMetalGasket on February 07, 2021, 10:42:00 PM +0000
Hi Bob, I think you have the wrong thread - but the most likely thing I can think of is that whatever you are driving doesn't have a manual clutch.
Therefore as soon as you select gear the games considers you to have 'gone'.

I don't think the results files contain info on this, and not sure if any other files are made that might help.
Depending on your pedal set it may be worth checking the signal from them from AC's settings screen - if you have dirty pots then the signal might be noisy enough that you aren't considered to be waiting on the clutch?


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Bob on February 08, 2021, 07:36:33 AM +0000
Just realised I'm in wrong thread, sorry, pedals all OK and calibrated but can't harm to give them a clean.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: IbnSolmyr on February 08, 2021, 03:54:18 PM +0000
On a sad side note it seems we lost our Bob buddy  :-[. I hope it's not because of his crash into the wall in Berlin after he punted my back in the chicane... Perhaps we should message him ? Also Vva never showed up in this series..  :'(


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Bob on February 08, 2021, 04:18:58 PM +0000
Not at all Ibnsolmyr, had the dreaded start up repair problem with windows, had to reinstall everything then the oculus software made me join bloody facebook and had to wait a week for the thing to work, then crashed onto desktop last night. Will try again on Wed. On the plus side the Oculus Quest2 with the PC link cable is much better than the CV1 in game.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: IbnSolmyr on February 08, 2021, 10:42:28 PM +0000
Pleased to know that you may be back soon mister Bob. :)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Stefan aka Postal on February 09, 2021, 10:00:02 AM +0000
Mmm, I find it pretty hard to get decent pace in the Beemer around this track. It is going to be a tough race. Hopefully I can cut more corners.... ejhhhhh I mean find some more pace tonight.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Bob on February 09, 2021, 04:04:32 PM +0000
First time felt nauseous in VR. ::)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: FullMetalGasket on February 09, 2021, 05:17:12 PM +0000
Get Kartcraft ;)

My GF had a go 'because karts are slow' and was literally ill for half the day afterwards :D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Fabri Fibra on February 09, 2021, 09:53:09 PM +0000
Get Kartcraft ;)

My GF had a go 'because karts are slow' and was literally ill for half the day afterwards :D

 :laugh: :wacko:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: MaxVeloce on February 09, 2021, 10:08:19 PM +0000
Get Kartcraft ;)

My GF had a go 'because karts are slow' and was literally ill for half the day afterwards :D

thats mean  :D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Mark J on February 10, 2021, 11:02:18 AM +0000
eek have had no time for practise here other than a half hour sesh at the weekend  :(  Unless i can get upto speed in pre race practise i'll have to use Race 1 as my familiarisation laps  :P :'(

The bumps make my eye-balls bounce in VR  :blink:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: MaxVeloce on February 10, 2021, 12:57:32 PM +0000
The bumps make my eye-balls bounce in VR  :blink:

have you tried using the head/neck motion adjustments in content manager?


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Mark J on February 10, 2021, 02:24:12 PM +0000
The bumps make my eye-balls bounce in VR  :blink:

have you tried using the head/neck motion adjustments in content manager?

whos this?  ;)  welcome back stranger, been off to another galaxy winning races?  :alien: ;D

never knew of those adjustments, will investigate thanks though prob not before tonights event.  :(


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: MaxVeloce on February 10, 2021, 10:05:14 PM +0000
never knew of those adjustments, will investigate thanks though prob not before tonights event.  :(

here's my settings if it helps   https://imgur.com/a/mHp4waI

no more eye rattling headache/nausea inducing badness


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Manteos on February 10, 2021, 11:19:57 PM +0000
My replay https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DPzwzU1xCI3S8_UulJHOGs3c--Bzep59/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DPzwzU1xCI3S8_UulJHOGs3c--Bzep59/view?usp=sharing)

This time my work has been quite easy  :P

After a good quali lap with meds and the usual gap of some millisecons by Tim, I took the lead with the "4WD Alfa mafia clan" teammate Fabri, that also burned his poor Merc  ::) ::)

Tim had the better on the rock-hard Fabri Nannini after 6 laps or so, but was too late to try and comeback for him even if his pace was almost a second faster than mine in the last 4 laps.
Well done team Alfa and Tim. I can feel your pain every time you see our Alfas flying at the start.  :-\

Race 2 was even "easier", because Fabri and Tim started again a rustic duel and after a couple of laps I saw Tim's Merc landing into the sand at the uphill bend of 3rd sector. By that moment my only task was to stay focused on the race, so I followed to push until the checkered flag, managing to keep a pace I'd never expect before tonight's race. On a remark note this time Fabri resisted until the end for a solid 1-2 Alfa that will surely be appreciated by the management and guarantee the renewal of our "ticket" for the next season  ;)

Well done chaps. See you for the next :)




Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: KDiesel on February 11, 2021, 02:19:04 AM +0000
Track was pure dynamite, unlike my driving...


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: FullMetalGasket on February 11, 2021, 08:32:59 AM +0000
I used to 'like' Horsma after having done a few races here with SRO and offline, but in the DTM's it's an absolute blast!
Unfortunately for me my biggest racing headache in this series seems to be the Alfiosi, last night I made a setup breakthrough for my hard tires (it may be specific to Horsma as I changed a LOT to cope with the bumps).
But that still left me with the problem of having to fight past Fabri as soon as possible while his Mediums were still fresh. In race 1 this took too long, if not for the oil on the exit of turn 17 (Seriously - watch the replay, both Matteo and I run wide there on the final lap. I quite literally go flying though thanks to it) I would have probably crossed the line within a second of him, but not close enough to even try to pass.

For race 2 I knew I had to go full attack with a bin it or win it attack on Fabro from the start. If I could pass him within 2 or 3 laps then based on race 1 I could be on Matteo with time to actually try and pass him.
Unfortunately I didn't spot my brake-marker while going up the hill into turn 18 and totally missed the corner - this dropped me back to behind Max and 5th position.
Max very kindly made it easy for me to get back by, and Maxime then did similar by falling off at T1 around half race distance before I had caught him.
Fabri how-ever fought tooth and nail to hold me off when I caught him. Each and every time he was saved by that :censored: 4 wheel drive!
Eventually I tried for the unexpected and went around the outside of the final chicane - it turns out it's extra bumpy out there so I lost back end and had to go grass tracking to avoid hitting anything. After re-joining the track I couldn't catch Fabri again with time to attack.

Well done to Matteo and Fabri (Fabri is like Matteo's 'extra life' I've decided ;D ).
Welcome back to Max, from your pace you'll be back to fighting at the front pretty soon i recon  ;)

Despite grumblings I hope you all enjoyed that one, I seriously doubt I'd use it for anything faster (60's F1 maybe, that worked well at SRO) - but something like the Fords Vs Alfas series would be amazing here ;)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Mark J on February 11, 2021, 09:27:36 AM +0000
Track was pure dynamite, unlike my driving...

Track should have been dynamited, let me correct that for you  ;D

Cant say i enjoyed this track in the BMW. It was like driving a bucking bronco. I had to dial down my ffb and soften the springs so much that the car became a bouncy castle with a skittish rear end that liked to constantly skip sideways off the bumps. The Sierras had such a huge advantage in the middle sector, even when i had a 3 or 4 sec gap over Jos or Max they could close it with ease in that sector alone.

Race 1 i qualified far better than i expected in 6th place. Had a good early chase of Kai whilst Maxime did his usual close up on us all from the rear and pick us off one by one. But still enjoyed a healthy run hanging on for dear life whilst Stefan and lorenzo put me under some pressure. But at mid race at T1 i carried too much speed into that nasty downhill off camber turn and span around on the concrete run off strips. Lost a load of positions and rejoined in 12th  :'( Chased Jos and the pack for a few laps until the end but too far away to do anything, then gained a place or two near the end when he and Jari? came together in sector 3. Finished 10th  :(

Race 2: More of the same, hating the handling on the bumps but just getting my head down. Had some fantastic battles trying to keep Jos's Cossie behind me, he was all over me and took a couple of nibbles but considering how much my car was bouncing about its not surprising. The fighting was close and intense and he eventually squeezed by within millimetres in sector 3  :fencing: but then prompty nibbled the wall at the final corner allowing me to scamper back up the inside for the s/f straight.  :) I gained about 3 seconds here but as mentioned, the closing speed in sector 2 was like we were in different class racecars  :o He was soon joined by Maxime who must have had an earlier off and i was fending off two fast Sierras now  :o
Jos was soon back on my tail again and got past a lap later when i got a little out of shape off a kerb on exiting the downhill hairpin allowing both past  :taz: 
Next up was Stefan attacking me and we had a great scrap for a few laps, swapping places a couple of times whilst the two cossies disapeared up the road  :( Then Kai appeared on Stefans tail to give him something to think about and give me a desperate breather from my constant combat  :sweatdrop:
In the last lap i saw them both spin off into the sand at the final hairpin in my mirror and i sped home for wherever i finished.  ???
have to say Race 2 was brilliant for action but mainly because i was fending off quicker cars/drivers in an ill handling car and others were making mistakes, falling off at one corner or another. Wont be sad if i never race here again.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Manteos on February 11, 2021, 10:58:26 AM +0000
Track was pure dynamite, unlike my driving...

The Sierras had such a huge advantage in the middle sector, even when i had a 3 or 4 sec gap over Jos or Max they could close it with ease in that sector alone.


Unless Kai and you drove different cars, clock doesn't say lies. It's clear that you were doing something wrong in that sector as you were regularly over 47.0 (apart from a couple of laps) and Kai was lapping regularly from 46.4 to 46.7 when he did no mistakes. He did manage even a 46.1 like my only attempt with the BMW on tuesday with race fuel, so there was definitely something wrong with your lines in 2nd sector.

http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/sessiondetails?playerInSessionId=20010# (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/sessiondetails?playerInSessionId=20010#) Kai race 2

http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/sessiondetails?playerInSessionId=20007# (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/sessiondetails?playerInSessionId=20007#) MJ race 2



Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Stefan aka Postal on February 11, 2021, 11:06:35 AM +0000
They layout of this track is great. Just too bad the Beemer doesn't like bumps in the tarmac.

Qually went ok, was sitting in 6th when the time ran out. Just to see my teammate beat me with a tenth of a second without knowing the track that well! Both races were great with all kinds off battles going on. Had Max in sight at one point after earlier battles with MJ, Maxime and Syd. The Sierra of Maxime was just that bit faster and could only manage to follow him home to the finish.

Replay vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcJ6EHCdtAs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcJ6EHCdtAs)

Heat no. 2 was even more hectic with an Alfa beating me off the line. Hard but fair battles where a joy. To bad Kai was a bit too eager and rear ended me twice. Also Jaari made a move into T1 which was never going to happen. That cost quite some positions unfortunately. Still the final battle with MJ and Kai made up for it.

Replay vid Heat 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh4ReD7WDnI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh4ReD7WDnI)

See you all on the other unknown venue in Japan.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: MaxVeloce on February 11, 2021, 11:51:01 AM +0000
Track was pure dynamite, unlike my driving...

Track should have been dynamited, let me correct that for you  ;D

 :lol:

Despite grumblings I hope you all enjoyed that one, I seriously doubt I'd use it for anything faster (60's F1 maybe, that worked well at SRO) - but something like the Fords Vs Alfas series would be amazing here ;)

This track is going in my special folder of "best AC tracks",  its a gem! - tough yes, but so so fun.  I can't help thinking how much of a riot it'd be in the 72D or 917k  :drool:



...this dropped me back to behind Max and 5th position. Max very kindly made it easy for me to get back by...
those Italians aint the only ones who can play the team game (no point me fighting you and slowing us both down) :P


Welcome back to Max, from your pace you'll be back to fighting at the front pretty soon i recon  ;)
eh we'll see, I could roll out some good ones from the book of excuses, but hopefully some more time in the car and AC in general will see me pick up some speed again  :)

I'm not disappointed, 2 4th places isn't in any way bad when I know the 3 guys in front are all fast fast. I made a few mistakes in both races including a couple of off tracks so yeh, need moar practice to get back into it.

Damn it feels good to be back in AC though  ;D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: FullMetalGasket on February 11, 2021, 01:07:38 PM +0000
Mark, when you adjust spring strength do you not also adjust your ride height and Shocks to compensate?
If the car became bouncier when you softened it then either the shocks were totally wrong (too stiff if you didn't change them) or the car was too low and hitting the bump stops under compression.

I think you can also adjust the bump stop stiffness in the DTM M3 to give it more travel - I did all of this to the Merc and even before I'd learnt the track it was worth a second and a half.
I did it again this morning to a Brands setup in the 917k and gained 2.5 seconds as it then spent most of the time on the ground (2:06 dead BTW, if you think the DTM's were hard then you need to try the Pork ;) )


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Mark J on February 11, 2021, 03:23:56 PM +0000
i'll be honest and say i just didnt get enough laps in compared to most for this one so was learning on the hoof. Usually i would study some onboards beforehand but as it was a fantasy track so i couldnt.

First race my front springs were too stiff (140), 105 rear so i was getting understeer but it was at least keeping the errant rear in check a bit better. I also had my gear ratio one notch too high i think which meant it bogged down in some tighter corners.
Second race i softened the front springs one notch, raised the ride height and added some dampers to try and absorb the bumps, hence why i was quicker in race 2. But still forgot to adjust my gear ratio...grrr.  :wetfish:

The Cossies visibly closed so quickly in that middle sector that starts with the nasty double downhill off camber left, thru a chicane and then onto a tight left hairpin on the crest. I hated that section. I also think wrestling a 20N DD wheel and H-shift disadvantaged me against some cars, the ffb was pretty fierce here and both wrists and neck ached at race end, despite being a biker! I couldnt release my grip on the wheel anywhere as the bumps would have me off.

Still i got to enjoy some good fights and 7th in R2 so not all bad.  :)



Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Jos Ogos on February 11, 2021, 04:13:19 PM +0000
It wasn't the day for the Sierras... But nevertheless, great fun...
I'm going to agree with Tim that this is a great track, but resurfacing it with a new layer of evenly spread asphalt is long due!!  :yes:
Race 1 wasn't worth for posterity on my part. Early mistake with a spin and, despite putting good effort to catch up and make the most of other drivers' mistakes, the final accident with Jari put an end to a terrible race... So back in the grid for the second race, it could only get better...

Race 2 (https://youtu.be/2LkOVkP-15g (https://youtu.be/2LkOVkP-15g)) was much more fun. The fight(s) with Mark J were the highlight of the race. He was defending with teeth and nails but I managed to squeeze my Sierra after a well-crafted attack  :fencing:. All to be thrown away three turns later in that over-complicated way of entering the straight...  :cursing: So back to the charge and now with two additional cars to overtake... :gun_bandana: T1 helped me a bit with Stefan and Jari having a struggle that gave me again clear sight of Mark J...  :hammer:
The objective was clear and off I went to get him. It was going well when I saw my teammate struggling on the grass after T2... We both hesitated (who should be ahead!?). I had to get Mark again.  >:D I was feeling furious after managing the first overtake, having lost it in such a poor way and I knew that with Maxime in front, things would get complicated... :hammer: I went ahead and, thank goodness didn't waste time for either of us. Reached Mark soon enough and went ahead after the beemer failed to keep pointing to whatever the heck the car should point in that sort of corkscrew the track has  :death:. All was going well and I realised I was confronting "you shall not pass" Syd  :nono: in his 4WD red Alfa ahead...
With Maxime breathing now on my neck, I had to put as much pressure as I could on the 'Lancia'... And..., I'm pleased to report to all of you guys that I broke the wall and passed him after forcing his resistance to unbearable levels... :ninja: Or so I think... but, he and only him will tell the true story of events. ;D
With the job done and reaching as far as I could... Although Max's merc was awkwardly dozing and close enough to be considered for a hunt with a few more laps... but with not enough time to reach him, I found myself starting the final lap with a speed deficit (again  :cursing:) with Maxime that, this time, really had had me... He lifted mid straight though. I guess we were engaging in teamwork but that got me confused, lost my concentration and a few turns later went wide and opened enough space for him to go through... :eek: It was right though. He was the fastest of the two Sierras yesterday. I was quite content with a well-earned P6  :smartass:.
See you at Mine guys


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: IbnSolmyr on February 11, 2021, 04:48:02 PM +0000
For sure it's an extremely well made track, love it, but I fully agree that if the tarmac was a bit less bumpy/rusty it wouldn't hurt my feelings.  ::)

It was a bad racing for me yesterday, some physical weaknesses, arrived too late in the server, and with such a difficult track the punition(s) couldn't be far, with plenty of small, medium and even big mistakes.

Qualif was so bad as usual, never did a flying lap.

Race 1 : Sorry Syd for my skid at start, I was hoping to get full control back earlier. Sorry Max for our contact upto the hill, I reviewed it on the replay and I hadn't missed my braking point, but your mid-lane defense forced me to put a weel on the grass as I hadn't enough room to place my car on your right. I lost a bit the full control of my braking leading to front left wing contacting your mid right side, it disturbed your end of braking so that we both lost a bit of time and Kaï was happy.  ;D Also sorry Stefan for my little tap on your back  :-\ thankfully you managed to nicely keep control and almsot didn't lose any time ! But this race my driving wasn't as clean as yours, sorry for that.

Race 2 : Was even worse. After a quite satisfying outlane pass on Max (I believe ?) in first few turns, I still didn't get focused enough and multiplied the mistakes again, untill the one where I spun in first triple left. That was quide bad yet but then I did the basic-angry-noobish mistakes, failing twice to recover from it. Laughable, ridiculous. Jos related the rest of the action yet. Mate, when I lifted off it simply was because I thought the race was over, lol. Sorry for the disturbing gambit strategy  ;D :D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Mark J on February 11, 2021, 05:46:15 PM +0000
Good post and fantastic vid Jos, really captures our battle well !  :fencing: :thumbup1:

I can see my derrier skipping sideways in the video  :o also see you had a lot more grip in the downhill camber turns where my car wanted to wash out to the outer edges where dragons lurk.  :P

Nice to see my team mate was attacking you while you attacked me too  :devil: shame he got wiped out by Jaari as soon as he got past you. He could have been a good tail gunner for a while when you returned for another attack. Shame i got spat around on that exit kerb over the crest or our battle may have continued until the end. 8)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: MaxVeloce on February 11, 2021, 06:00:18 PM +0000

Race 1 : ... Sorry Max for our contact upto the hill, I reviewed it on the replay and I hadn't missed my braking point, but your mid-lane defense forced me to put a weel on the grass as I hadn't enough room to place my car on your right. I lost a bit the full control of my braking leading to front left wing contacting your mid right side, it disturbed your end of braking so that we both lost a bit of time and Kaï was happy.  ;D..
Its fine, when 3 people battle for the same spot that close things happen sometimes  :)

Race 2 : Was even worse. After a quite satisfying outlane pass on Max (I believe ?) in first few turns, I still didn't get focused enough and multiplied the mistakes again, untill the one where I spun in first triple left...
Hah, I made a bad start, saw you coming and blocked the inside but when you went to outside in T1 I decided I didn't want to crash that soon and let you have it...   I did have a little chuckle a few laps later at you pirouetting in anger after your off in the same place,  but I know that feeling too, so  :P


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: IbnSolmyr on February 11, 2021, 06:30:52 PM +0000

Race 1 : ... Sorry Max for our contact upto the hill, I reviewed it on the replay and I hadn't missed my braking point, but your mid-lane defense forced me to put a weel on the grass as I hadn't enough room to place my car on your right. I lost a bit the full control of my braking leading to front left wing contacting your mid right side, it disturbed your end of braking so that we both lost a bit of time and Kaï was happy.  ;D..

Race 2 : Was even worse. After a quite satisfying outlane pass on Max (I believe ?) in first few turns, I still didn't get focused enough and multiplied the mistakes again, untill the one where I spun in first triple left...
Hah, I made a bad start, saw you coming and blocked the inside but when you went to outside in T1 I decided I didn't want to crash that soon and let you have it...   I did have a little chuckle a few laps later at you pirouetting in anger after your off in the same place,  but I know that feeling too, so  :P

Yes, I saw you chosing to def the inside, so swapped for outside, wasn't really an attack at that time, just "put some pressure, wait and see" as I knew racing rules wouldn't allow you to change your defense that late then... But there was room for each of us, from my pov, so it's fine. :)

About the little chuckle, fair enough, I can't blame you for that !  ;D I was really naming me you know...  :D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Manteos on February 11, 2021, 08:17:12 PM +0000
Just finished to watch Jos' video and I'm always amazed by the movement of his feet wrapped in his comfortable racing slippers ;D ;D ;D. Sometimes he brake with right foot doing heel and toe, sometimes he uses left foot for braking, and that "dance" reminds me Jeremy Clarkson's Farmkhana  ;D ;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbW1CnThwoA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbW1CnThwoA)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Jos Ogos on February 11, 2021, 08:40:47 PM +0000
Just finished to watch Jos' video and I'm always amazed by the movement of his feet wrapped in his comfortable racing slippers ;D ;D ;D. Sometimes he brake with right foot doing heel and toe, sometimes he uses left foot for braking, and that "dance" reminds me Jeremy Clarkson's Farmkhana  ;D ;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbW1CnThwoA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbW1CnThwoA)

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Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Fabri Fibra on February 11, 2021, 08:45:50 PM +0000
This track is great. I ran here on SRO with the F1 of '66, but I had a disconnection (problem that I have often on that server).

The Alfa team put some pressure on me, as I wasn't having decent results. So this was the right opportunity, to push and make a good result.

Race 1: I managed to defend myself from Tim halfway through the race, but then the tires started to lose effectiveness and I lost the position.

Race 2: my start was crazy. 1-2-3 gear like a rocket. I started so well that I was near to pass Matteo too, but I preferred to don't do stupid things.
Tim has been fighting since the first laps, and at the hairpin he tried (knowing that I wasn't perfect in braking).
Luckily for me he made a mistake and this gave me breathing space for several laps. Towards the end my tires ran out and my car was trying to kill me in some corners (once I had to go full counter-steering).
Tim approached quickly and there were still 3 laps left, I thought I couldn't do it. He had a better pace and he had also hard tires. For some miraculous I managed to resist the various attacks and finish second, to the delight of the team Alfa. First 1-2 of the season!

At some points on the track I had to slow down a lot due to the awkwardness of my Alfa, but the exit from the corners was always great and allowed me to win the battle.
A hard fight!

Matteo "Larini" ruthless as always has won two more victories, congratulations!


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Jos Ogos on February 11, 2021, 08:53:41 PM +0000
The Alfa team put some pressure on me, as I wasn't having decent results. So this was the right opportunity, to push and make a good result.
:lol: :lol:
Fabri, do not pay attention to Larini's bullying.  ;D


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Jos Ogos on February 11, 2021, 08:59:59 PM +0000
Just finished to watch Jos' video and I'm always amazed by the movement of his feet wrapped in his comfortable racing slippers ;D ;D ;D. Sometimes he brake with right foot doing heel and toe, sometimes he uses left foot for braking, and that "dance" reminds me Jeremy Clarkson's Farmkhana  ;D ;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbW1CnThwoA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbW1CnThwoA)
I think all cars simply get mesmerised with such an amazing plethora of pedals' inputs and lose half of them in perplex admiration of their new master... this reckoning on their part makes me definitively slower than I actually am ;D. I swear, if cars were really capable of processing all my pedals inputs, I would be invincible...   :alien:  :yes:


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Syd Drake on February 11, 2021, 09:17:40 PM +0000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpJFjtDl3iM  ;D

For R1 I had Jarri putting some pressure on early, until he went off somewhere. Than I had Lorenzo late, but I kept it on the tarmac to finish 7th.
R2 I got ahead of Stefan at the start to get to 6th, then someone (Maxime?) fell of in the front I found myself in 5th. I was running 5th for majority of the race. I could see first Mark, then Jos getting closer, but not as quickly as I thought they would. And then just as I thought I might have this, I went over the kurb half way though penultimate lap and the car just wouldn't stop after that. Went straight into a barrier, heavy damage, broken windshield and all the way down to 11th. Disappointed with myself for that as I have been very consistent lately, even under pressure.


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: FullMetalGasket on February 19, 2021, 05:47:11 PM +0000
Firstly apologies that the report button was removed before I had even entered the 2 incidents from Race 1.
Someone else must have finalised the results without my knowing.

Secondly, sorry to Jos and Bob who will now be getting 2 PM's about their incidents as I originally moderated the wrong result in LM2 ::)


Title: Re: UKAC Season 17 DTM Rnd 6 - Horsma - Feb 10
Post by: Jos Ogos on February 19, 2021, 06:32:22 PM +0000
Thanks, Tim.
Very thorough analysis and report.
I can only reiterate my apologies to those affected by my clumsiness on that race.
Jos