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Endurance Season 4 Opener - Guy Fawkes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_fawkes) memorial races

Practice 1:	20:00	(15 mins)	full time drivers only
Practice 2:	20:15	(15 mins)	reserves may join too
Qual 2:	20:30	(25 mins)
Race:	20:55	(80 mins)

Cars allowed: any GT or NGT from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.1 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27) (see this thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2228.0)) except the Porsche 993 GT2.
Weather: to be decided just before the race based on real-world weather according to the Endurance rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=42).
Track: Valencia GP
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: All drivers must make a minimum of one pit stop. This must involve entering the pit lane at the speed limit, and coming to a complete standstill in the designated pit box. Tyres do not have to be changed and no fuel has to be added. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Endurance Masters
Password: here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2324)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=33).
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).

At which location?  :P  Valencia I assume....

Personally I would prefer the weather to be set now so that I have some time to find a semi competitive setup.

true!

Well i did check a 5 day forecast and it looks sunny on sunday :)  See here = http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?world=0205&links

According to one web site there is a 20% chance of rain  :boat:

Why not practcie offline in the rain and make a setup for that. Never hurts to preactice in the wet, eventhough it won't be necessary.

The weather will be that specified by the SRou official weather supplier, in this case

http://www.weatherunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=39.485495,-0.630341&units=metric

Each event's home page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=232) has a link to the official weather provider. Follow the Circuit Link in the title and then the weather one.

Can't wait for this one ;D

Why? In real life we cant do that ::).
I know, i know....this is a game 8)

Agree :)

I agree in real life we can't dictate the weather, unfortunately.  However, as you say this is a game.  The ballast pack was introduced with the aim of producing closer racing.  However, the idea of leaving the weather to chance will only do the opposite.  The more experienced drivers will be able to easily adapt to any condition while us newbies who are still trying to learn the cars/setups and tracks will struggle.  Unfortunately there is only so much time I can devote to GTR2.  If I have to practice multiple scenarios instead of just one it’s obvious I'm going to be less competitive.  This is just my view and I'm not asking for special treatment.  I'll race in any weather condition.

Just spare a thought for the newbie once in a while.  Let face it, you were all one once. (aliens excluded)  :P   

Well...if we go through that way.....some day we have races with 8 wide drivers :o
And yes, i remember when i was a newbie. :)
First race i did with UKGTL guys, they gave me 3 !!! laps ;D with the tc-65 cars at Nurburgring with  the Alfas and Cortinas only 8)
Since then, they only give me 1 lap down, so im driving better now ;D

We didn't have that many races in the wet so all drivers will face not usual conditions.  :)

TT

Daz, I think you are missing the point. Endurance racing is an art which needs to be mastered, and preparation is a key part of that. If you can gain an advantage by being better prepared then good for you, if not then you will have to accept that your chances are more limited. Why should an experienced driver give up a key advantage over you? They have presumably worked hard to gain that experience and so they deserve to reap the benefit don't they? When you are one of the experienced ones, won't you want to be up the front as a result?

I couldnt put this words better myself Paul  ;D
I wish i could speak English like this  ;)
Ful agree with Paul968

Paul, you have made several valid points.  But at no time have I asked for anything to be changed.  I just stated a preference.  There is a difference.

I also hope that when I become more experienced in this game I won't become so obsessed about winning that I forget the main reason we are all here; to have fun!!!

Please be aware there are some of us that haven't played GTR or GT Legends before GTR2.  It's a steep learning curve.

Maybe the solution would be to use real life weather for the masters and set the weather for the academy league...

Daz
   I know you were only stating a preference - I wasn't telling you off, honest  :)

I was just trying to explain what endurance events are about, and prep is one of the main things to get right. If you are in an academy race then there will be lots of other less experienced drivers to measure yourself against, so the racing should still be good. The issue of lack of time is one we all face to some degree. With 2 children to entertain and a business to run, not to mention helping with the league admin, I will also have little time to devote to wet setups (unlike Simon G who will no doubt have found a shortcut somewhere round the back of Valencia  :P). If I get in as a reserve though I'll still give it go in the wet.

I know its a steep learning curve, but we all have to go through it (in fact some of us oldies did it years ago in GPL where the cars are rather more of a handful!).

Your last comment maybe worth looking at however - I'll mention it to the other mods in case they missed it.

GL on Sunday  :)

Paul

Priebiero, ur post always has me laughing so hard!!!

@ Dyno...the weather variable for academy has been set to DRY from the word go (if u read the race announcement closely) Im assuming it will stay like this for all academy races

I did think about that but in the end decided against it. The Endurance Academy has to both cater for those of us who are too old and slow to enjoy life in the Masters, but who want the same variety of challenge, and for those who are new to endurance racing in this setting and need to learn the skills that one day they will take into the Masters, and that includes driving in difficult conditions. Hopefully the Academy will be a good environment to pick up these skills from those of us with more experience than talent. ;)

The Sprints are always dry but Endurance events are by tradition a mixed bag (although wet races are actually quite rare - it doesn't rain anywhere near as often in any given place as people think it does).

Thanks Paul.  Good luck to you too.

Dave, is there any chance I can join you old, slow guys in the academy league? :P

I am currently placed in the masters league with the aliens.

If it's too difficult to change at this late stage I'll understand.  Don't worry I used to looking in my mirrors :D

Don't worry Daz, there's a few non-aliens in the Masters ;)

Thanks Pob, but I've seen you race..  Ok lap me.  :P

Out of curiosity, what is a good NGT time around here in 100% rain?

It's be 50% rain unless it's changeable (in which case it will be... changeable...). I'll published the 'rules' we've agree amongst the moderators for setting the weather later today to help folks predict the likely conditions.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/2/24/180px-POB.jpg)

Those days are long gone, I'm pretty much turn up and race nowadays.

Have a good event guys I will unfortunately miss this one and the GT Sprint cause I'm on holiday. Go Sharks!

Thanks Dave.

Ooops sorry Popabawa, no offense meet, honest  :P

What a fine looking fellow. I actually know someone who has a jumper just like that  ;D

Weather rules published on the Endurance S4 page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=42).

Not wanting to be picky about this, as I look forward to what the rain will bring (until it comes probably ;D)
But if we have a description of this in the weather rules :-
"Dry or light showers will be set as dry; light rain or showers will be set as changeable; and any other precipitation will be set as 50% wet"
The five day weather forecast on the above site gives a chance of rain on the five day forecast in percentages.Not from what I can see a " Dry or light showers" description.

Could we not have a weather rule which matches these percentages?
Something like 0-20 = 0 in game, 21-40 = 10% and so on.

Tell me to shut up if I am too awake for a sunday morning. But this might give people more of a chance to run the likely conditions, as everyone can watch the percentage chance through the build up and practice accordingly.

We're not setting it from the forecast (on the right on WU), but from the actual conditions, on the left on WU, currently "Mostly Cloudy".

Ok thats fair enough.

Guess we can still practice based on the 5 day until they become actual conditions.

Cheers

Hello, I need to resign... :-\

My computer doesn't give any screen image anymore. While booting it gives a beep followed by 3 fast short beeps, if I'm right (by googling) it's the code for a faulty videocard. Which ofcourse explains no screen display.
While fiddling around with it for many hours, I had twice the moment it did gave image (strange really), with all kinds of devices disconnected from the motherboard, but even after updating the bios it's back to the beep beep after rebooting...

Computers are so frustrating just like 3 weeks ago my motherboard died.... >:(


Was really looking forward to the season opener. But as it is for now, one of the reserves will be lucky to fill in the spot tonight.

PSU on the way out perhaps?

My PSU is an Enermax (expensive :censored:) and when I saw the bios (when it did start) the voltages seem okay, I'm not thinking that's the one who failed :)
It's really irritating when it just does things at random, but everything powers up as it should, I can hear windows booting for example (rattling harddisks), but just the vid card which does seem to be gone to haven.

I notice that the Masters enduro entry list is quite oversubscribed, but the academy not so much.

I was wondering (I know it's a bit late to be asking) but could I be put down in Academy instead of Masters? Judging by my pace in NGT I think i'm more of a padewan and less of a Jedi ;)

Also, I can make this race, and I'd rather not miss out because I'm listed as a reserve and just in case the masters server is full..

I added you to the Academy reserves as well as the Masters - I must admit I was a bit lax with the reserves largely on account of that being the last thing I did during registration, at which point I was thoroughly hacked of with the whole process. :laugh:

Thanks for your continued patience, Dave  ;D :thumbup1:

Very disapointed. Made real, real effort to get home for this one. Practise and qual sessions were fine then had exactly same problem as sprint race here last week, it wouldnt allow me to join the grid at race start and gave me a DQ.  >:(
Cant believe its happened to 'just me' for 2 races on the trot in NGT.  :'(

Had a TPG race here in a GT car in the week and it worked fine so dont know if its something to do with the skinpack ? ???

Totally gutted and feel sickened.

Hope everyone had a good race

I also had problems.
I got a lost connections during qualify and when trying to rejoin the server didn't accept the (correct) password.

I'm really disappointed as I was eager for a good race with the Lambo :(

Phew, I am knackered, did not spin it once though so that proves this must be easier than GTR1 :D

Apologies to Paul968 when I knocked him off into T2, literally could not see the car, only the name tag, until you had gone past me, there was nothing in my mirrors except a gap closing. Because of that I let you back through couple of corners later.

Obviously the Lambo used a bit more fuel than expected and had to sit and wait for the leader to finish, which cost me a place same as pitting would have I guess.

Grats JonM, and courteous driving by the NGT's as well!

Well that was a first for me, engine went with 3 laps to go.  Dont think it helped being flipped on my roof early on in the race.
Oh well stuff happens.

Awful setup, no time to practice really (my fault, too much overtime!) then halfway through first lap, my wife wants me to setup sky+ to record something GAH......into pits and a lap down before I've even started... it just went from bad to worse after that. At least I finished I suppose. :(

Mark you do know there's no warm up now just 2mins of prep time. Was a bit confused at first myself but jumped in ok in the end.

Had a good race and qually. Just managed to get ahead of Ruskus for pole in qually so was happy with that ;)
Not alot happened in the race really. Everyone of the backmarkers were superb at letting us through :thumbup2:
The only thing I had to do is short shift in the 2nd stint as I thought I was gonna run out of fuel. The lambo was eating it up and my pants were getting browner lap by lap. In the end all was well and I just made it :) Glad my connection held up and glad to open with a win for my new team ;D
 Grats to TT on his win. Good stuff boys, very enjoyable 8)

Unlikely but possible - can't see why it would affect grid placement though. ??? The grid at Valencia is clearly wibbled anyway, once again the entire left side of the grid was a spot too far back. ::)

Congratulations for all classes podium´s ;)
Maybe there were a few lads a bit nervous, due to this be the 1st race :)(very normal, tho).
But, when we have a 80mnts. race, we can be more carefull at 1st lap ::).
One more time, i ended 1st lap in last position, cause someone hit me and i spun :'(
Then, some laps after,  i was hit for more 2 times and spun again ;D, so i had to recover ::)
Never mind, because this history keeps going race after race :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
One thing for sure, i had a hell of fun doing this enduro race( i love enduro races btw) ;D
One big thanks for the GT boys, they were very honest and fair when lapping us, understending
that we were in our batlles also, thank you boys :thumbup2:
Thanks for the fair dice leuven,popabawa and paul (hope dont forgot noone) :yes:
Nice race Vertigo boys (see, why i race with one at sprint?) ;D and To Viper boy also ;D

Cheers to all

Replay (http://www.ukgtr.org/replay/Valencia%20GP%20-%20Endurance%20Masters%20061105.zip) and Provisional Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=232) are there for all to see :)

Interesting battle in qually with Jon. I had just 1 clean lap, my first lap, and I had to settle with that time. The rest of the laps were messed up or traffic hold up.

Very very early in the race I saw a female flash her boobies at me at the sideline, so I lost concentration and spun ::)...that, and the fact that my car was very different than in qually. Touching a curb was hell. After the spin I was last of the GT's I think, so I had some work cut out for me.
I had a hard fight with Fozz. I sometimes had a door shut in my face, but as far as I could see, there was nothing serious. Nick gently let me past, eventhough we were fighting for position :-*.
I also had a good battle with Greg. The problem was that his car was jittering alot. It was vibrating or something, which made it very hard to predict thing.

Then I had a big gap to Martin, and I just could not get close. My racepace was horrible and I have no idea how come. Maybe I downgraded the car a bit too much in order to survive. Even lapping NGT's on the straight was hard as the speeddiff was next to none :-\.
In my last lap of my first stint, my tyres were gone, so I went in with 40 minutes to go. When I was almost ready with my pits, I saw Jon stop behind me. I was almost lapped at that point :D.

After the stop my car felt a whole lot better and I could start chasing Martin in his great looking Viper. When Martin came up to a Vertigo I could squeeze between him and the Vertigo and position myself for an overtakingmanouvre the following corner.

I could not pull away from Martin. He could hang on in the corners, and on the straight his Viper was flying. So my 3rd place was all about the last corner.
At some point we were going side by side in T1 which felt great ;D.

Grats to Jon for a supersteady race, TT for winning NGT and CJ for making the C5R go so fast :D. Shame no Shark 1-2, but maybe next time ;)

P.S Sorry for my "sorry"message during race, I pressed the wrong button. After my spin I wanted to put the driverlabels on, but I didn't see what I was pushing, so I prssed the buttong above that and chatted, sorry for that :-[

Hehe! My other half is under strict instructions that, unless the flames have reached the second floor, I'm not to be disturbed :laugh:

Really enjoyed the race but had forgotten how demanding Endurance racing is. I think GTR2 really comes a live with it though and so is worth the dodgy back I'll have at work tomorrow. Had a great scrap at the back with Pribeiro, leuven and Pops. NOt sure if I tapped you Prib or you span, boy you were struggling in the corners with the M£, but apologies if that was my fault. Stopeed and let you get in front again. Tarted up my first ever GTR2 pitstop in so many ways it's not true and gave away enough time to see 3 cars shoot past as I exited the pits. Serves me right for not practicing.

Glad that bloody track is out of the way, not a fan of Spanish track design I have to say!

By far the toughest ever...Was so hard with the GT cars, was very hard to let them past apart from the s/f straight ,Soz to greg it must of seemed like i was blocking but i wasnt.
First few laps of the race was quality had a great battle with TT and Leuven but got a tap from Leuven coming out of the first corner and lost it...Wasnt intirely your fault mate i moved across alittle bit and you had no where to go. After that just plugged away and managed to get second in class SOMEHOW!!!...Bernie caught me with a few laps to go and was putting me under pressure bigtime and i had a big slide going through the double right after the esses  but managed to correct it but Bernie clipped me and i spun... Great sport for letting me through cheers. ;)

Grats to Jon and TT.

Well, that was probably my first and last appearance in the Vertigo of Doom but it was a very enjoyable race in the end.

I was questioning my car choice in the first couple of laps as various Porsche's whizzed past me down the straight :D but my tactic of just being consistent (which I definitely wasn't in the RSR) and coming in very late for the briefest of pitstops seemed to work OK and I'm well chuffed with my 4th place, not that far behind Bernie and Minton.

I have to apologise to Bernie & Minton, as I re-joined after my pit-stop, as I hit the pit-limiter off point the game flipped my view from cockpit to bonnet cam  ??? I was fumbling with the keyboard to get back into the cockpit, I think I hampered Bernie a bit so I let you past - glad we didn't crash :-\

Grats to TT - awesome work mate  :clap:

[rant]CHAT IN THE RACE - STOP IT!  >:([/rant]

Man that is so distracting- I thought only "Pit IN" and "Pit OUT" were allowed?

It is  ::)

Didnt hamper me Pops ,no worries.

It is and that's about it. We has some annoying chatter in the Academy race too. I expect someone will be along to chastise ;)

I was all going swimmingly, having inherited 2nd place when Ruskus spun early on. Had a fairly comfortable gap in time to 3rd but when I pitted the crew just stood there. I did overshoot very slightly, but they ignored me reversing and trying again, so had to go round again with only 0.4 laps of fuel in the tank! I drifted down the pitlane with an empty tank and just made my stall, only this time they didn't ignore me. By the time I came out tho I was a lap down on Jon and back in 9th. Had fun near the end chasing down Nick from a long way back, and managed to get the place with 5 minutes left (np about the tap later btw Nick if you couldn't see me). It was a bit strange for the last few minutes following Claus who nipped past when Nick nudged me off, as I could keep up but didn't want to spoil any elses race (mine was fairly safe at that point). It was interesting lapping the NGT hoards, which was certainly a challenge the first time round on such a tight track. Thx to all who helped me past.

Overall I enjoyed it, but a bit frustrated not to finish higher. If overshooting was the problem then fine, I'll learn the lesson, although it is a bit harsh when in reality you would just back up a few feet.

Congrats to Jon and TT on their wins.

Paul

Didn't really hamper me either pops so no worries mate

Jon, eek have i missed something then? Does that mean that when the clock is ticking down thats the time for all cars lining up on grid? If so, that definitely explains it. :( :-[  I sat there same as the sprint race with my race setup loaded instantly ready to race and watched the clock counting down on the right.... but thought that was a 2 minute warmup session  ???  I didnt even know it was set to go straight to race from qually  :-[ :(

Balls, i feel a proper numpty if that is the case. :-[ I must have completely missed it if it written down somewhere on here. Gutted.

Well done to the race winners. I'm off to smash my head against the wall until i black out for being so dumb ::)

Yes. There's no warm-up like there was in GTR. Silly boy :)

Much as I would love to fight you for position, my only chance would be if you were in an NGT I think ;D

No point holding a team mate up though.

Qualified 17th but started 18th.  Sorry Popabawa I know you tried to give me my place back on the formation lap, but I was slow to cotton on.  Thanks anyway :D

It was a race of 2 halves for me.  Was having a great battle with Minton, Bernie and Popabawa for the first 40 mins until I decided to pit.  Although I was trying to be careful I still received a stop and go penalty for speeding in the pit. DOH!!  :-[

This left me firmly in last place :(

Over the remaining 35 minutes I slowly clawed my way back and was disappointed to see Leuven limping down the straight.  However, I soon caught up with Jan.  Very good racing Jan!!  I apologise for my first overtaking attempt; there was not enough room.  Thankfully we didn't collide.  However on the penultimate lap coming out of Curva 11  I was drafting  Jan going up the hill.  As we reached the crest Jan's car got abit out of shape.  I tried to avoid contact but I couldn't.  Sorry Jan, it was not the way I wanted to pass you.  I've looked at the replay several times and I’m still not sure if there was anything else I could have done.  I'll post a racing incident report.  If the gods (Dave etc.) decide it was my fault you can happily have my place.


Good racing at the end Popabawa, looks like I didn't quite unlap myself  :P

Cheers everyone, I really enjoyed that...

Did anyone else experience jerky wheel movement down the pit lane?

but i got no drivers showing as 'on track' until they all went blue on the 00 time  ???  Is the no-warm up something we (UKGTR) have invoked or is that just what the game does now? I dont get how i didnt suffer it in the TPG race (at Valencia) the other night.

Either way i'm a dingus for missing it. I'm gonna ask the missus to slap me round the face a few times with a large herring....i  deserve it. :wetfish: :helpsmilie:

GTR2 has a 2 minute countdown to the start of the race, because this is plenty of time to check the race setup it was felt there was no need to have a 2 minute warmup and then to sit on the grid for 2 mins while everyone fannies around before joining. If you look at the race announcements there is no warmup now listed in the session list unlike last season.

I forgot the corvette boy ::) well done !!!!!!

Yeah good racing Daz!!

You aren't teammates in the race, Junior boy... ::) :P

Unofficial Lapchart (http://lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Endurance 5-11-2006/g_info.htm)

Qually went well, didn't manage to match my pb and was just pipped by Truetom. 8)

Race was absolutely fantastic and very hard at the beggining as I was attaking TT and constantly trying to find a way past not just for position but to try and shake off Minton(Dan?) who was all over the back of me.
It was great driving but It would have been very difficult keeping that up for 80 minutes. :o
Had a couple offs and some contact which saw me near the rear of the grid, but after my pitstop (which I messed up as they put in another 26 Gallons of fuel in after using only about 10Gallons in 45mins.) ::) I came out a few seconds behind Pribero and persued with the chase, eventually catching and having a good battle with but not passing as you held on just enough in the twisties so you could burn me off on the straights(which seemed to been the case with everyone), untill in the end the engine just decided it had had enough of Valencia and chucked the towel in. ;)


I was hoping it wouldn't come to this but I may have to give the Vertigo the same fate too TBH Even though I would like to do a full season with it. :'(
I have to drive the **** out of it and push it beyond its limits just to compete but for 40-80 minutes even with the extra 70KG taken off it's too much of a risk especially for others who get into problems with me durng a race as I don't want that.


Yeah, the amount of times in the past two races that I have pushed like hell all through the lap and got a great run out of the last corner only to be blown away be EVERYONE. >:(
You did well to finish where you did Pops, and I'm racing more for the enjoyment than the win, but I can't consentrate on consistency as I end up thinking about stuff, going too slow etc so I have to push to keep consentration ::).

So I think that'll be the last time I clean the dead flies/bugs off the back window of the Vertigo for a while whilst I consentrate on a different car and spend some time practicing. ::)

THE END.  ;D

PS congrats on the Wins Jon and Truetom, and CeeJay too in the Chevy, sounds great with that V8 sound pack installed  :)

Thanks for the lapchart Ruskus, always interesting. :)

Good win for the Pengu... errr, Team Shark and Legends Racing.  ;D

Found a compromise setup which surprisingly enabled me NGT pole with Leuven and Minton close. I dare to say the Vertigo was good choice for fun but a bad one to compete for the win.  ;)   Alien Leuven in his Vertigo was quicker everywhere but on the s/f line and I decided its best to keep him busy. So I didn't drive on the limit but just fast enough to let Leuven and Minton have a constant duel and I stayed safely in front. Was watching replay - good duel guys, very nice driving.  8)   When Leuven and Minton put eachother out (  :angel: )  Bernie Lomax took the chase - was feeling like a deer running from the woolves for a while.  ;D  Managed to stay in front and used lapping GTs to increase the gap. Afterwards to the end I was racing alone and just kept the gap big enough. Don't know how, but after pitting I had the next car 40 sec behind.  ???    Had to make one lap extra but I had enough fuel for 15 min more driving.

With Pops and PaulW 4th and 5th Legends Racing  have a nice amount of points. When we teach MJ to press the red button we will do even better.  :P   ;D

Good win for JonM and big thanks to GTs for the patience - Valencia doesn't allow lapping at every moment.  :)

TT 

I went of about 4 times TT which left me that far behind after the pitstops..Was driving the car way to hard.

Sorry thats the multi team working Nascar driver coming out in me 8)
Promise to make it more difficult next time and possibly dump in the gravel due to my lack of control :D :D

Sounds like it was a good race, got stuck in Ireland and got home @ 10pm :(

congratulations to winners

Or incredibly embarrassing  :-[

warmup is good for bog stop, plz re-instate.

Hey Ruskus, mate ;) Any chance of doing one for the academy race? Pretty Please ;)

Yup, no problem (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2327.45)

You can always go at the end of qualifying! :P Most of us were getting thoroughly bored waiting the best part of two minutes for the last stragglers to actually join the grid so it didn't seem unreasonable to eliminate the two minutes of now dead time that were the warmup.

Oh I thought it was longer than that, I remember in S1 going downstairs to get a drink while waiting. Your right you can use the end of qual, but I actually used to use warmup when I wasn't doing other things :)