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Title: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Cookie on December 22, 2020, 09:02:18 AM +0000
Season 38 - CANM66 +71 Fun Race - Road America

For this 2 short Fun Races we will be at Road America in the USA. The track covers 640 acres (2.6 km2) within Wisconsin’s Kettle Moraine. It is near the Kettle Moraine Scenic Drive and has hosted races since September 1955. It currently hosts over 400 events a year. Road America has not been modified and retains its original configuration of 4.048 miles (6.515 km) in length and consisting of 14 turns. The track features many elevation changes, along with a long front stretch where speeds approaching 200 mph (320 km/h) may be reached. One of the best known features of this course is a demanding right hand turn known as "the kink." Road America's open seating allows spectators to venture throughout the grounds. Grandstands are available in several locations, as well as permanent hillside seating where crowds of more than 150,000 can be accommodated.

Rolling Start!

(https://i.ibb.co/Yp8jC8T/roadamer.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

Start procedure:

Overtaking is prohibited until curve T3!
Flagman gives the start.
The polesitter drives ahead with a high but not full speed and the others follow him in a single line with safe distances.
At the exit of turn 3 the race is released.



Race List =  IGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP Address = look at iGOR
Race date = 27-12-2020
GPL mod = CANM66 + CANM71
60fps patch used = 60fpsV2newmod
Track dir = roadamer
Qualification Race 1 = 20:45  UK time -> 15min
Race 1 = race starts at ~21:00 UK time
Qualification Race 2 = 21:35  UK time -> 15min
Race 2 = race starts at ~21:50 UK time
Race length = ~25 min -> 12 laps
Damage Model = Intermediate
Replay = here (https://www.sendspace.com/filegroup/veNCwjvuB6918pg3v8jjsw)



Handicapping
"Works" drivers will not use works cars.
So only privateers can use the M1B 361ci and Lola T70 359ci in the CA66 race and the M8F and T260 in the CA71 race.[/b]

Resets will be allowed (there is no need to carry out a Stop and Go in the pit lane if you make a Shift-R).

GLA +FUN


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: maddog on December 22, 2020, 03:45:01 PM +0000
I am guilty of joining fun races of various Leagues, without prior knowledge.  This may happen here.  I suggest a Chat message to explain the start, just before it starts. :angel: Also, turn 3 looks like turn 2. 



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Cookie on December 22, 2020, 04:20:07 PM +0000
For this races a PW is obligatory. So you must look into this post.

I ask not to give the PW in igor Chat so everybody has to read here.

Maybe we need someone who translates it to spanish and portuguese...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Phil Thornton on December 22, 2020, 05:41:54 PM +0000
I suggest a Chat message to explain the start, just before it starts. :angel: Also, turn 3 looks like turn 2. 
The start procedure is pretty clear and concise but I wouldn't want to try to explain it in chat, that is too much hassle and there is a big risk of typos and confusion. The drivers should pay the moderator's the courtesy of reading the race post, all the moderators can do in the chat is ask if drivers have read the race post (which is why Axel will be using a race password, an approach I fully support). We need to try to avoid the turn 1 carnage of first two races.

I've had a look at the server replays.

In the first one I got a bit of a slow start from P4, you had a better one from P5 and had a chance to get up the inside into T1 but it looks like you took the wise decision to back out. I took a wide line into T1 but not wide enough, I should have given you more room. The result was a gentle tap of my left rear and I spun around. The rest of the field then piled into us leaving the first 3 to disappear into the distance. From the server replay it looks like warp contact but unfortunately I didn't keep my client reply so I can't compare the two.

In the second replay, P2 got a slow start. P3 applied too much power resulting in wheel spins and snaking to the right, almost colliding with P2. P4 got a blinding start and rear-ended P2. After that it was complete carnage, everyone was involved leaving the pole sitter to disappear off on his own.

So the lessons to be learnt are; give each other room and be careful with the throttle. But is there something else we can do? We don't want the same things to happen again.

We expected the limited visibility and hugely powerful engines would be problematic for standing starts so we need a few fun races to confirm this and to work out a way of coping with the issues.

Doing a rolling start (although authentic) has its problems (keeping a steady pace for a lap is difficult for the pole sitter), so we are going to try a rolling start but after a partial lap, not a full lap. I think Axel has made it pretty clear on the map where T3 is, everyone needs to understand the exit of T3 is where the race begins. Drivers must remain in single file until that point.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: maddog on December 22, 2020, 09:13:41 PM +0000
In the first one I got a bit of a slow start from P4, you had a better one from P5 and had a chance to get up the inside into T1 but it looks like you took the wise decision to back out. I took a wide line into T1 but not wide enough . . . .
For my part - we had a 3 abreast developing there, so I gunned it a bit longer than otherwise, which did not create the desired effect, with hindsight. :-\

Next race  :  a Password fixes the problem, and nice map displayed.  A narrow track with wide cars, will always have visibility problems in close company.  Elkhart Lake and Monza are not the same starting challenge. 

Popularity now, may be because Can-Am races have become rare - drivers have  become rusty.  Get out the brass polish, and onwards to glory! :D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Phil Thornton on December 22, 2020, 11:02:26 PM +0000
For my part - we had a 3 abreast developing there, so I gunned it a bit longer than otherwise, which did not create the desired effect, with hindsight. :-\
But if I'd given you a little more room that wouldn't have mattered. We would have got through T1 OK (not sure about T2 though :o ). Anyway I learnt a lot there. I'm no where near the fastest GPL driver but I'd like to think my race craft is pretty good and I'm a fair racer. The fact that I made a mistake which contributed to most of the field crashing out, suggests to me that, with the best will in the world, standing starts in these beasts will be problematic. Lets hope the pseudo rolling start solves the problem. A full series in these cars would be fun, they have been overlooked for too long.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Alain Maurice on December 23, 2020, 10:24:01 AM +0000
Good morning all

I find this idea of not overtaking very well until turn 3 and I would even add that it would be good to modify the starting grid with more space between each driver.

Some will say, ok but where is the pleasure of the race then ????

The pleasure of the race is already above all to finish the race, and it is far from being that easy.

Anyway, as a rule, practice is a reflection of everyone's performance, so whoever is in front of you on the starting grid is in principle faster.

So no need to believe that on a simple start you will beat him for the length of the race.

Thanks everyone and fun GPL

Thanks Admins :)



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Cookie on December 23, 2020, 11:00:08 AM +0000
In RL they started behind a pace car in a 2 x line!

Look here - I love the sounds!

https://youtu.be/xXjZYIzKGCM

(https://i.ibb.co/Y3YYNsr/Bildschirmfoto-2020-12-23-12-01-55.png) (https://ibb.co/pxGG1Fm)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: maddog on December 23, 2020, 04:19:44 PM +0000
This has reminded me, to fix the 66 sounds, although less than 66 in total.  These sounds are already installed, and easy to use, if realistic sounds are wanted.  The choice is yours :  https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?board=52.0  Look for the Can-Am 66 listing.

BTW - I started practicing on the challenging & narrow Roadam67 .  Decided roadamer is wider & more friendly, so will join you there.::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Phil Thornton on December 23, 2020, 09:39:31 PM +0000
BTW - I started practicing on the challenging & narrow Roadam67 .  Decided roadamer is wider & more friendly, so will join you there.::)
I find the in-car view makes the track look very narrow. But looking at a replay, the track is about 3 car-widths wide in most places. Hopefully there will be room to pass safely :eek:

The 66 cars feel fast until you try the 71s. The power and brakes are so much better. They must have been terrifyingly fast in real life!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Phil Thornton on December 23, 2020, 09:56:43 PM +0000
Look here - I love the sounds!
Great video Axel, not sure about the "Luxury Economy" comment, a bit patronising. But "necessity is the mother of invention" and we now have the fastest most fuel efficient F1 cars ever.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: maddog on December 25, 2020, 02:22:44 PM +0000
A Merry Christmas to all !  A sudden thought anidst the merriment . . . these races are advertized as OPEN TO ALL.  For this, the password should be displayed for all, but only on this page, sometime soon. :angel:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Cookie on December 25, 2020, 02:50:30 PM +0000
A Merry Christmas to all !  A sudden thought anidst the merriment . . . these races are advertized as OPEN TO ALL.  For this, the password should be displayed for all, but only on this page, sometime soon. :angel:

Merry Chrismas,

Yes the PW will be seen for every registered member of UKGPL and it is automatically released by the SROU system.

It is open to all UKGPL members as such a non conformistic start procedure can not be done in any pick-up race.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: maddog on December 26, 2020, 11:45:51 AM +0000
 , , , , Looking good! :-*


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: JonnyO on December 26, 2020, 12:58:23 PM +0000
 Procedural tests are valid for results and impressions.

 ....particularly, in my little league "Clandestines Trophy", in the USAC thematic championships, we have already made starts where overtaking would be allowed after the T1 in an oval, but I always had problems, there is always a driver who is uninformed. Then I came to the conclusion that the best way was to put the cars in single file on the grid with 30m between them and the start released.
  We cannot forget, that the current GPL world is very small, everyone knows each other, and many, like me, run in more than 4 leagues, I myself participate in 6, in this reality, the possibility of confusing the rules is great.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Cookie on December 26, 2020, 01:28:39 PM +0000
As long nobody gives away the PW of this race to drivers not reading here, there should be no problem.

When suddenly like at the GP in Zeltweg unknown people are on a GP server not knowing any rule - that sucks!

I will write in iGOR comment "rolling start"


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: maddog on December 26, 2020, 06:07:49 PM +0000
. . . . and many, like me, run in more than 4 leagues, I myself participate in 6, in this reality, the possibility of confusing the rules is great.
A chat message after practice ends, is a good backup.  A small confusion may be no turn 2 can be seen.

We have had other start versions tried in past years.  I think the big problem, was cars arriving at the 1st corner at many different speeds.
A streached grid does this.  All European racing started very close together in the 1960's.  Mostly nowhere to go, left & right, so only forward and back to consider.  Ukgpl instead gives some space all around for some excitement.

Rolling starts were for Can-Ams but also for ALL North American racing.  When F1 went to race in USA, they were told only a rolling start was allowed.  F1 drivers laughed and said, 'Standing start or no start.'  They were some of the best of their time.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Doni Yourth on December 26, 2020, 07:36:40 PM +0000
Starts are always a bit of a crap shoot.  You can make up or lose a handful of places by Turn #1.  Rollers versus standing starts offers no guarantee of avoiding catastrophes.  See Indy, 1966 & 1973.  As well, a grid start can lead to disaster.  See the Mosport CanAm, 1966 or the Canadian GP at Montreal, 1982.

As long as all runners know the procedure and behave themselves, our planned start for these Road America races can go off without dramas.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Phil Thornton on December 26, 2020, 09:39:22 PM +0000
I've had a go at setting different cockpit views using Lee's "GPL Head Movement Patch" as Axel suggested. I've kept the default 78 degrees FOV, but I moved the drivers position back a little. I think it helps when trying to judge the apexes and the width of the car. Not sure if I'll be able to lap any quicker but hopefully I'll be able to drive more accurately and make less mistakes.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Doni Yourth on December 27, 2020, 09:52:22 AM +0000
I just tested an idea that struck me as I went to bed last night.  After the field pulls away from the grid in an orderly fashion and cruising to T3, wait til you go under the Alpine bridge before throttling up.  It took about 12-13 seconds to arrive there from the exit of T3 at a speed of 60mph.  The instant that the bridge structure overhead went out of view was my go signal.  Planting the throttle, I was able to get up to about 150mph before having to shut down for T5.  This might prove a safer start procedure with everyone obliged to wait til the bridge overhead is gone from view before hitting the gas regardless of when the row ahead starts to accelerate.  This should, if everyone follows the procedure, provide an additional space-time cushion for launch and arrival at T5 at speed.  Comments?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Phil Thornton on December 27, 2020, 11:35:12 AM +0000
Good idea Doni, but whilst the bridge gives a clear point at which to press the throttle, it does mean drivers will have to try hard to adhere to the rules. I'm not suggesting drivers will cheat, but the opportunity to try to gain an advantage will be too tempting. A few milliseconds of throttle will make yards of difference at the braking point for T5. Moreover, drivers are quite likely to be watching the car in front and go when it goes rather than wait until the bridge.

At the exit of T3, drivers will be constrained by the corner itself. They will hit the throttle as soon as they dare, that point won't be determined by a marker but rather the traction from the tyres. This takes the judgement out of the drivers hands, they will not be tempted to "go early". So I suggest the exit of T3 is the best option (notwithstanding that T2 is an almost imperceptible kink).


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Doni Yourth on December 27, 2020, 05:29:47 PM +0000
Oh, of course, Phil.  I was merely suggesting a possible alternative to the T3 go point.  I'm cool with that.

Looking forward to some beer & brats in Elkhart.  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Phil Thornton on December 27, 2020, 06:33:33 PM +0000
Oh, of course, Phil.  I was merely suggesting a possible alternative to the T3 go point.  I'm cool with that.
It's Axel's choice, he is organising the race,  but as a good moderator he will listen to suggestions.

Quote
Looking forward to some beer & brats in Elkhart.  :)
I'm cooking Cumberland Sausages and having a glass of Cabernet Sauvingnon. Beer and Brats would be nice too ????‍????


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Enrique Farina on December 27, 2020, 07:35:34 PM +0000
I want to enjoy today, it's possible ?
  thanks


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Cookie on December 27, 2020, 07:49:14 PM +0000
Yes of course, you are welcome  ;D

but read racepost:

we do a rolling start!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: GregT on December 27, 2020, 08:04:27 PM +0000
"Works" drivers will not use works cars.
So only privateers can use the M1B 361ci and Lola T70 359ci in the CA66 race and the M8F and T260 in the CA71 race.

That still leaves some good cars for the Works drivers.

I think I'd like to try these races. I'm ill prepared and out of practice so I'd hope I can get my act together in qualifying.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: fpolicardi on December 27, 2020, 09:25:47 PM +0000
Freeze at 5 laps to go in 66  :'(


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Doni Yourth on December 27, 2020, 09:26:15 PM +0000
A little over-anxious to make a pass there, Ricky?  I would think so.  You had me easily out-gunned on the left the lap prior.  So why?  :(


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Phil Thornton on December 27, 2020, 09:28:48 PM +0000
Freeze for me too  :taz:  Leading by 4 seconds with 4 laps to go. It is very rare for me to be leading an open race so very disappointing.  Hopefully have better luck in the 71s.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: PaulV on December 27, 2020, 09:30:06 PM +0000

Freeze here too.....   didnt realise at first it had frozen as I was going so slow anyway.. I coudnt tell the difference LOL!!!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: francesco on December 27, 2020, 09:53:37 PM +0000
No freeze here but anyway this cars are not easy.Is difficult to dosing the brakes.I noticed that many cars are without numbers.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Enrique Farina on December 27, 2020, 10:30:07 PM +0000
not to much to say, funny races, for this bored day, :-9
   ,Gregory's return I tarnished it  :'( in mod 71, I crash him car in lap 1 and destroy your race, so sorry greg,
  I enjoy the race, but some drivers need to drive clean, It is not allowed to change career lines more than twice, and some people do it so as not to give up the overtake, and thus generate accidents
  I hope in the championships, the handling is cleaner.
  cya next year guys and happy new year
 8)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Phil Thornton on December 27, 2020, 10:34:11 PM +0000
I enjoy the race, but some drivers need to drive clean, It is not allowed to change career lines more than twice, and some people do it so as not to give up the overtake, and thus generate accidents
Agreed. We have a rule about changing lines too often. It just creates accidents. Drivers should make one defensive move and stick to it, no weaving it is dangerous.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Phil Thornton on December 27, 2020, 10:42:45 PM +0000
No screen freeze in 71 race  :thumbup2:

Managed a second place because of accidents ahead. I had just enough pace to keep a manageable distance in front of Fulvio. It is easy to succumb to the pressure and make a mistake in these cars.  I had good pace but nowhere near as quick as Lasse. He was too good tonight.

Well done Lasse, two great races for you. You are obviously "Works" material, if you consistently drive as good as that you'll be a championship contender this season!

The rolling starts worked well for me. I preferred the 66 start, the pace was a bit quicker.  In the 71 start it was a bit slower and less consistent, so we had a bit of bunching. I was worried about rear-ending the car ahead and getting punted from behind.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: GregT on December 27, 2020, 10:45:03 PM +0000
I got lucky the first time. :), but it would have been fun to see if I could catch Phil and Lasse. It might have been possible if I had my gpu set correctly.

The second race was weird. I think I've forgotten how to drive these cars. It was one the mods I was fastest. It sure wasn't today.

Thanks for the fun guys.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Rainier on December 27, 2020, 10:52:41 PM +0000
not to much to say, funny races, for this bored day, :-9
   ,Gregory's return I tarnished it  :'( in mod 71, I crash him car in lap 1 and destroy your race, so sorry greg,
  I enjoy the race, but some drivers need to drive clean, It is not allowed to change career lines more than twice, and some people do it so as not to give up the overtake, and thus generate accidents
  I hope in the championships, the handling is cleaner.
  cya next year guys and happy new year
 8)

Enrique, remember for next season : "No chat during race and qually" !


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Pepe Higdon on December 27, 2020, 11:24:29 PM +0000
In the last week I managed to make peace with the CA66 cars during the week and began to enjoy them. In the race I took advantage of the usual attrition and finished fourth, behind Axel and ahead of Enrique, mainly by staying on the track. The rolling start was kind to me in that it didn't require trying to launch the two-gear Chaparral from a standing start.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Lasse Albrecht on December 27, 2020, 11:31:42 PM +0000
Well done Lasse, two great races for you. You are obviously "Works" material, if you consistently drive as good as that you'll be a championship contender this season!

The rolling starts worked well for me. I preferred the 66 start, the pace was a bit quicker.  In the 71 start it was a bit slower and less consistent, so we had a bit of bunching. I was worried about rear-ending the car ahead and getting punted from behind.

Consistently... I went off 3 times at Moraine sweep in the second race alone, I definitely need some work in that regard.

After being told by Doni that the first start was too quick, I was tempted to make the second start slower by a fair bit which I did quite well I think; the inconsistency came when Pribluda showed me that there was quite a big gap between P4 and P5 which made me think that I might have put too much throttle on inbetween which caused this gap.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Cookie on December 27, 2020, 11:43:50 PM +0000
Strange things happened with CANM66 - half the cars had no start numbers!?

So I had to add them manually...

Strange as the Riside66 import had no problems...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Phil Thornton on December 27, 2020, 11:47:47 PM +0000
I agree the 66 start could have been a bit slower, but I think the important factor is a constant speed. Slowing down to let people catch up causes more problems than it solves.

However, I think we are being a bit over-critical. You did a great job in both races, we had 2 clean starts. So much better than the starts at Riverside.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Pepe Higdon on December 27, 2020, 11:49:39 PM +0000
Thirty minutes before qualifying for the CA66 race I somehow managed to lose my CA71 driver. I'd boot the CA71 race and a few seconds later it would crash to desktop. Rebooting didn't help. I deleted everything associated with CA71 and recreated it from scratch. In my haste and irritation I also deleted the setups, so I guessed at what I'd created in the last few days. It appears that I didn't do a very good job of that.

I enjoy the race, but some drivers need to drive clean, It is not allowed to change career lines more than twice, and some people do it so as not to give up the overtake, and thus generate accidents.

This comment is directed at me, and I'll accept that my driving lines in the CA71 race were, given a hopeless setup, ill-suited to competition. I think all might have been well tonight if Enrique hadn't rear-ended Greg and put the two of them behind me on L1. I did my best not to interfere with anyone's overtaking, and no one managed to rear-end me but Enrique. The idea that I was deliberately blocking him is laughable. Anyone from oAo who knows me --- and Enrique was a teammate of mine in 2019 --- knows that I wouldn't block a determined fart. Maybe if he'd just find a way to qualify ahead of me and keep his car on the track, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Now having said that, the fact that after retiring his car he took the trouble to send out a lengthy chat message during the race objecting to my driving has to rank as one of the rudest things I've ever seen in an online race.  


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Phil Thornton on December 27, 2020, 11:57:11 PM +0000
Strange things happened with CANM66 - half the cars had no start numbers!?

So I had to add them manually...

Strange as the Riside66 import had no problems...
Very odd. Thanks for the server Axel and a great job with the import. Overall I've really enjoyed the experiment with the Can Ams. I think you've shown that it would be possible to run a full championship with these cars. They are fun to drive but they require a slightly different driving style. Track selection would be a bit of a headache but with the right tracks the racing would be fun.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: JonnyO on December 28, 2020, 04:00:18 AM +0000
  I disconnected in race1 and then slept, woke up and race 2 was with 5 laps ... GRRRRRR


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: francesco on December 28, 2020, 06:20:26 AM +0000
Quote
Strange things happened with CANM66 - half the cars had no start numbers!?
I noticed the same.I worked on these cars in 2011 than the mod was set aside for years.Than Tommie asked my permission to add the reflections(not allowed on metallic color) than Gianfranco and other have worked on the Genie and historic version.So ,after so many years and many hands ,i don't know if all is correct.I have my original folder and the cars are numbered from 1 to 20.We could ask to some expert in the repository if the number for online are right.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Cookie on December 28, 2020, 09:09:17 AM +0000
Fran - it had worked last week at Riverside!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Rainier on December 28, 2020, 11:00:44 AM +0000
I agree the 66 start could have been a bit slower, but I think the important factor is a constant speed. Slowing down to let people catch up causes more problems than it solves.



And the 71 start could have been a bit faster and without slowing down.

At least 2 times, I was almost like Montoya vs Schumacher under Monaco's tunnel in 2004.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Alain Maurice on December 28, 2020, 11:29:03 AM +0000
Hi all

Good morning all.

Thank you for organizing this event.

I used a 60fps exe last night with a patch installed that makes it nightfall while racing.
See here https://www.grandprixlegends.fr/forum/gpl-les-mods/brouillard-ou-pas-de-brouillard?scrollto=4840770
Jani Posta's post.  :P

Result, 2 places lost because you no longer have the same braking spots, which shows that this has an impact on our behavior on the track, so I find it very interesting for simulation.  :o

See you soon


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: maddog on December 28, 2020, 12:33:28 PM +0000
I found a fast car in the first race.  It's new, more powerful engine sound was working well, but I was lucky to finish so well.  Both Phil and Lasse dematerialized together while ahead.

Second race practice ended as the first, with chauffeuring myself into the pitlane.  Both cars then sat in the pits, while everyone waited.  Embarassing, so I took my turn to hit 'escape' by accident . . . grumble! :-\


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Cookie on December 28, 2020, 01:06:44 PM +0000
I agree the 66 start could have been a bit slower, but I think the important factor is a constant speed. Slowing down to let people catch up causes more problems than it solves.



And the 71 start could have been a bit faster and without slowing down.

At least 2 times, I was almost like Montoya vs Schumacher under Monaco's tunnel in 2004.

I 100% agree David,

the idea was to pull the field apart by the faster speed and not to compress the field by such deceleration.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Lasse Albrecht on December 28, 2020, 03:37:48 PM +0000
I have neither been the leading driver in a rolling start yet nor have I ever been part of a rolling start in general, but I think my mistakes in the buildup to the start have let all participants know what do to and what not to do when being the leader in this particular scenario, therefore I guess that my shortcomings had somewhat of a learning effect. To my defense I must say that during the second start phase I was afraid that something might have happened behind, and I really didn't want the race to get underway like this, though it should be none of my business to care about what's behind if it wasn't my fault, which it never is if I always hold a decent speed consistently.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Enrique Farina on December 29, 2020, 01:08:59 AM +0000
Thirty minutes before qualifying for the CA66 race I somehow managed to lose my CA71 driver. I'd boot the CA71 race and a few seconds later it would crash to desktop. Rebooting didn't help. I deleted everything associated with CA71 and recreated it from scratch. In my haste and irritation I also deleted the setups, so I guessed at what I'd created in the last few days. It appears that I didn't do a very good job of that.

I enjoy the race, but some drivers need to drive clean, It is not allowed to change career lines more than twice, and some people do it so as not to give up the overtake, and thus generate accidents.

This comment is directed at me, and I'll accept that my driving lines in the CA71 race were, given a hopeless setup, ill-suited to competition. I think all might have been well tonight if Enrique hadn't rear-ended Greg and put the two of them behind me on L1. I did my best not to interfere with anyone's overtaking, and no one managed to rear-end me but Enrique. The idea that I was deliberately blocking him is laughable. Anyone from oAo who knows me --- and Enrique was a teammate of mine in 2019 --- knows that I wouldn't block a determined fart. Maybe if he'd just find a way to qualify ahead of me and keep his car on the track, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
   yes pepe, We were partners in oAo and it was very good.
  In relation to the accident with Greg, I accepted my mistake, and I apologized for all the means I had and for having, I don't know if I read them, it was a big mistake of mine and I feel bad about it.
  But that is very alien to the way you handle against me and anyone who sees the replay will see that you stopped me before and you zigzagged, to make my life impossible, and it was 4 times in the course of the race that you reach and me you were taking the limit of generating an accident until you achieved it, I would like anyone to see the replay and say what they saw in that attitude, yours against me, I do not want to think that it is racism, because it is very far that I thought something like that, that is mentally weak, but if you had it, strong against me.
  So do not come to say that I drive dirty because it is not like that, pepe, we were teammates but it does not mean that you lean on that, to accuse me of taking you out, if you were the one who generated that.
   full stop and I hope next time you drive cleaner.

Now having said that, the fact that after retiring his car he took the trouble to send out a lengthy chat message during the race objecting to my driving has to rank as one of the rudest things I've ever seen in an online race.  


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Enrique Farina on December 29, 2020, 01:10:33 AM +0000
not to much to say, funny races, for this bored day, :-9
   ,Gregory's return I tarnished it  :'( in mod 71, I crash him car in lap 1 and destroy your race, so sorry greg,
  I enjoy the race, but some drivers need to drive clean, It is not allowed to change career lines more than twice, and some people do it so as not to give up the overtake, and thus generate accidents
  I hope in the championships, the handling is cleaner.
  cya next year guys and happy new year
 8)

Enrique, remember for next season : "No chat during race and qually" !
  no problem rainer, not happen again.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Rainier on December 29, 2020, 08:57:43 AM +0000

  no problem rainer, not happen again.


 :thumbup1:  Thanks Enrque !


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Pepe Higdon on December 29, 2020, 03:04:59 PM +0000
I do not want to think that it is racism, because it is very far that I thought something like that, that is mentally weak, but if you had it, strong against me.

I suppose it's only a question of time before you discover that I'm also Hitler's illegitimate son. But you're attributing to malice what is more easily explained by ineptitude. You're a better driver than I am. In GPL Rank you're -51. I'm -7.2. Isn't that a clue as to where we stand in this rubble? You need to realize that I'm going to make mistakes that will distress drivers like you. I'm doing my best out there and, as I explained, in the second race I had a car that I was unable to control well. It was an unfortunate combination of circumstances, not ill will.

There's also this: You were having a remarkably ugly day yourself. In 45 minutes of racing you rear-ended three different drivers, parked your car in the middle of a lap in the CA71 race, and fired off a long, rude chat message that hammered the frame rates of every driver still on the track. I get that neither of these fun races was much fun for you, but if you're going to be on the same track with drivers significantly inferior to you, I'd recommend you find a way to deal with them other than by calling them racist pendejos.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Phil Thornton on December 29, 2020, 04:48:18 PM +0000
Gentlemen, I think it is time to calm things down a little. We are all here to have fun and whilst part of that is being competitive, after all an uneventful race would be boring, there comes a point where a minor disagreement spills over into a full blown argument. That is why we have the court system (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/moderating/court), disagreements can be settled amicable by the moderating staff. However, given that this was a fun race the court should really be unnecessary.

I don't want to have to go through the replay to try to sort this out, I'm trying to concentrate on getting Season 38 up and running so we can all have an enjoyable season. However, I can say this was an experiment to see how feasible a full season of CanAms would be. There are obviously unique challenges these cars present. Notably, stability under power and braking which coupled with the large physical size makes clean overtaking even more difficult with these cars. So clearly qualifying is paramount because it will be very difficult for someone with a bad start to work their way back up through the field. Patience will be required.

So please can we agree to learn what we can from these races and move on. We have a mature set of rules (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/intro) that cater for most incidents but the moderating staff would prefer not to be draconian, it is preferable for drivers to embrace the spirit of the rules and to drive accordingly. I'm sure if you look through the replay and try to apply the rules, you will be able to see for yourselves what, if any, transgressions were made. All I would ask is for drivers to look to themselves to try to understand what they could have done better. In many cases, incidents are a shared responsibility.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: GregT on December 29, 2020, 10:23:08 PM +0000
it was a big mistake of mine and I feel bad about it.

Don't worry about it. I wasn't surprised. I thought with a rolling start we might be pushing any accidents to T5 instead of T1. T5 is very difficult to get the braking correct. It always takes me several laps to figure what I need to do there. I did slow down early to leave Lasse plenty of room, but at the point you hit me I wasn't going any slower than I needed to make the turn smoothly. I just happened to be the one that was unlucky at T5. There was some good that came from it. It gave Lasse a good opportunity to win considering the huge car advantage I had. I only took the fastest cars available to me because I've driven so little lately and I had no practice beforehand, and I had never driven either of cars I chose at Road America.

Take care guys.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: GregT on December 29, 2020, 10:34:55 PM +0000
Enrique, if I'm angry with anybody, it's myself. I let Lasse beat me for pole position and fast lap in that crappy Porsche. If I were driving well that never would happened. :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Cookie on December 29, 2020, 10:38:29 PM +0000
Forget the past - look at the upcoming Le Mans on Sunday!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27
Post by: Enrique Farina on January 01, 2021, 07:56:13 AM +0000
I do not want to think that it is racism, because it is very far that I thought something like that, that is mentally weak, but if you had it, strong against me.

I suppose it's only a question of time before you discover that I'm also Hitler's illegitimate son. But you're attributing to malice what is more easily explained by ineptitude. You're a better driver than I am. In GPL Rank you're -51. I'm -7.2. Isn't that a clue as to where we stand in this rubble? You need to realize that I'm going to make mistakes that will distress drivers like you. I'm doing my best out there and, as I explained, in the second race I had a car that I was unable to control well. It was an unfortunate combination of circumstances, not ill will.

There's also this: You were having a remarkably ugly day yourself. In 45 minutes of racing you rear-ended three different drivers, parked your car in the middle of a lap in the CA71 race, and fired off a long, rude chat message that hammered the frame rates of every driver still on the track. I get that neither of these fun races was much fun for you, but if you're going to be on the same track with drivers significantly inferior to you, I'd recommend you find a way to deal with them other than by calling them racist pendejos.
   I see you study me, ok.... for me its over. just stay in track