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Practice: 19:45 GMT (30 mins)
Qual 2: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30 - 23 Laps

Cars allowed: FR90
Track: Zeltweg (Red Bull Ring Spielberg)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry

Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption:  Normal
Pit-stops: None required

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Example Setups:

V12 (https://phspok1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/Race/setups/2021-01-07_10-00-33_formula_rr_90_v12.svm)

V10 (https://phspok1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/Race/setups/2021-01-15_10-41-11_formula_rr_90_v10.svm)

V8 (https://phspok1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/Race/setups/2021-01-15_10-43-44_formula_rr_90_v8.svm)


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So. I have created the calendar for this series based on Birgir's suggestion of 2020 F1 events
Like the idea, and it's a no brainer for me to do  ;D

I have been doing some more testing at the tracks, which are mostly quite fast tracks, and these Tatuus F4 cars to me are
just plain boring at these tracks. With max front grip, min rear grip min rear wing they still just understeer and you have to try
hard to lose the back end. Will produce some close racing, which is a good thing, but we already have an easy drive
series with the Scirocco. I have been testing the F90, which are proper F1 cars, are evocative of the era, sound
amazing, particularly the V10, and with some setup mods and a gentle right foot I can drive them.
I assumed that everyone would just run max power (the engine maps are 1-5) but it isn't that straightforward
My best time at Zeltweg for a long time, was with the V8 at Map 1 and reduced rear wing. I could hit the power earlier
and with more confidence, though it was slower on the straights than Map 5, it had to be a long straight for
Map 5 to catch up. At Monza and Spa I could run Map 5 with some care, but at the slower tracks with off camber
corner exits, like T1 and 2 at Zeltweg I found Map 5 too risky.

There are subtle differences between the V12, V10 and V8. The V10 is the hardest to drive for me, it seems heavier at the rear
and wants to swap ends into and out of corners more than the other two. It may be the fastest in the right hands
but My best lap at Zeltweg was in the V12 @ 1:17.0 with map 4 and max rear wing. V8 was 1:17.3 with map 1 and half rear wing
V10 was 1:18.1 at Map 5 and full rear wing.

I have moved this series to F90, they are way more involving, and I can drive them easier than the Touring Classics

Have a run in the V12 at Spa if you want to try one. It is quite satisfying

Hmm. ok shorter tracks might better suit the lack of horsepower in these things.

I must have missed those 'F1' cars

Bit puzzled about the last race Matt, do you have some inside info about Bahrain coming to RRE?

No, I am mistaken. Was not fully awake this morning..  ::)  Will be something similar with a desert maybe

Here's a taster. A few corners at Spa in a V12, then a lap from the pits at Imola in a V8
Geforce experience recording has very low sound here.

https://youtu.be/UU6Q7ORBcC4 (https://youtu.be/UU6Q7ORBcC4)

Last event is set to Dubai GP now

Note: Car Change to FR90

I have decided to run this series as 1990's F1 type cars. They are not as hard to drive as the DTM2020 we ran at the weekend
and most people managed those ok, so these should be a good challenge, but drivable with a cautious right foot  8)

These are awesome, great noise, fabulous speed, and lots of setup options to get a car anyone has a chance of driving
I will put links to some more drivable than default setups for those who don't have the time.

Fine by me. Didn't drive these cars before but the V8 seems okay after the tyre update.

V8 or V12 are my faves. The V10 seems harder to drive for me, so maybe the fastest with an  :alien: in the seat.

Yep can go with this OK, just need to get the laps in! ;) V8 sounds great.  8)

I will try this car out!

Had a quick go last night after the TC race. Only 9 seconds off the AI pace, 2.5 seconds slower than the slowest  ::)

I have put my example setups in the event page above which some may find useful

Thanks Matt but I assume these are going to need significant tweaks for each circuit we visit?

To some extent yes. I will post the setups when I need to change.
I haven't done the event pages for the other races yet.

For Hungary for e.g I think I just ran with this Zeltweg setup. There is (for me) only so much I can do before
I can't drive them. So it's mostly about rear wing and map choice. Faster tracks can use a higher
map, and may get away with less rear wing. Portimao was challenging over the crests as always
so again this setup would probably be about right. That's what I used in testing.

Is there a way to save more than one setup at a track for a car? I have tried renaming setups, like one for race & one for qually, but it just seems to overwrite the existing one, even though I have given it a different name. Am I doing something wrong?

If there is I haven't found it. Seems to be a current limitation. A bit naff.
So far, I have setups for some tracks, fast tracks/medium and slow
At a new track, I load one of the others, and then rename it.

Not got to "qual" setups. The soft tyres are qual tyres. they will be no use for a race.

It works ok for me - see screenshot with race and qually setups saved for the same car/track. Geoff, are you sure you are changing the filename and not just renaming the description. The filename box at top left can be easily missed, but this is the important bit.

(https://i.imgur.com/ibd279Gh.jpg)

Yes Frex, I think you are right, I am just changing the description. Thanks.

Um.. me too

I've been doing some practice at Dubai. Not sure if there actually is less grip ? sand?
But it's not fun in these cars. Or I least it isn't for me. So I am changing the last event
to probably Zandvoort, as it was supposed to be in the season for 2020, and, it drives nicely in these.
Other option was Indianapolis, Paul Ricard, or Russia. Haven't tried Russia yet, so not
cast in stone.

Thx for the setups,

Pffff no easy cars to drive, even more difficult than FRJ. Still learning to get easy on the throttle at corner exit.

Question: I cant get a propper start, any tips. Now starting in second gear :-[

Go to engine map 1 or 2 in the start.

EDIT: Also if you're having trouble finding the throttle sweet spot, upping throttle sensitivity (linearity) to 100% helps for me. Same trick that tames the DTM 2020.

Can you change maps while on track? missed that one, must set a key for that.
I have been starting in 3rd.... not sure I like the idea of moving maps up and down
at different parts  of the track, but I guess it's how it is.

I have been testing at the other tracks, and this one is maybe the hardest because of these
tight corner exits. Silverstone is an absolute hoot  ;D

Oddly, I found setting throttle sensitivity to "0%" made it easier to drive
Still can't just stand on the pedal out of these awkward off camber slow corner exits
and I still have to do a lot of short shifting. Seems that the tyre model is like the AC one
where cold tyres have no grip, and the brakes are cardboard until you get them glowing

I have fine tuned the V12 setup and uploaded the new version. name is the same as before.

You can indeed set buttons to switch engine maps on the fly. With engine map 3 and your V8 setup it seems perfectly fine, as long as the wheel is pointing straight and all tyres are on tarmac I can just floor it from the hairpins (in 2nd gear) and it goes straight, no problems.

First lap will require extra care. I assume there's no way to do a warm-up lap?

We could make it a rolling start. Though that's not realistic, it might be safer?

Its never the starts, more arriving at the first corner all at once which you get with a standing start

Either way, it could be an issue.
The starts in these remind me of the GTL starts at Daytona, starting on the banking slope. People go sideways without care.

I wont be doing these races. They really don't appeal to be raced. The Merc showed me that with trying to race people where any difference in driving style, braking distances and now at a higher speed, with even less notice, will be a nightmare.

 

I found the best way to start is give it about half revs in first & let the clutch out slowly keeping the revs constant, when clutch is all the way out ease more throttle on or change to 2nd & give it some more revs.

Tried the V10 with engine map 3 & medium tyres, just got into the 1.16s with it. With soft tyres & map 5 I got to 1.14.8. Surprised how much difference map 5 makes to the straight line speed but its virtually undrivable on the medium tyres, well you need to be ultra careful anyway.

Guys, please be aware of this, happened to me twice on the ranked servers this afternoon, hopefully it will be fixed before Thursday.

https://forum.sector3studios.com/index.php?posts/216560/

Thx Toni, Martin and Geoff,


Still having problems to start (i'm easy on the clutch and indeed half way the revs) but its still hard (second gear start is possible to be safe). Noticing no real changes if i change my mapping towards 1 for the start.

Still need to play with the throttle sensitivity (will also try 0%)

Happy to hear, Red Bull ring is the most difficult track for this series.

Apparently this is now fixed, server may need updating though.

It wanted a server update yesterday, and I did it.

I have set false starts to off in case people roll backwards, or get jumpy. 1st gear start is not an option for me, 2nd is possible
with extreme care, a quick shift up to 3rd is safe.

I have also set it to 23 laps, not 30 mins. Not sure whether that's a new feature or not, but I haven't noticed it before.
You can set "standing start" or "rolling start" but I think the rolling start is AI control, I will test it.
Still thinking of a human rolling start, I will do some testing. We don't want a mess at the start as people snake around
or spin into a barrier on lap 1, and as Spanner says T1 is going to be challenging enough.
You really really really need to take it easy on lap one anyway, until the tyres warm up and also the brakes will not stop you at T2 as well as you expect.
A rolling start with some tyre warming might be a good idea. Maybe for this 1st race, and see how it goes.

Thoughts ??? ??? ??? ???

The more I practice with these, the more I like them. I am now liking the V10. It needs a lot more coast diff, and harder
front bump, but I can on occasion power slide it (sort of) but they do need some concentration, though  they are very rewarding
with some practice.

The biggest thing for me apart from setups (mine are perhaps a bit extreme and tame) was setting the throttle to 0% sensitivity
If you look at the power curves for V8, V10 and V12, they are as you would expect. The V12 is peaky, less mid range with a steeper
curve to peak. I think that's why I found it less evil, as it's slow corner exit power came in later. The V8 has a flatter curve
so has a bit more mid range. I have been trying to find the sweet spot between high power map and rear wing
ideally less power map to help slow corner exit, and less rear wing to help compensate for top speed.
I haven't found it yet...... The wing seems to do more than I would expect at low speeds, so I find I need it anyway.

I have updated the V10 setup with a map 5 that is more drivable. The V12 was updated a couple of days ago
so, if you haven't got the latest perhaps give them a try. I will do some work on the V8 today, though that one
is probably more finished than the others.

I've done a few rolling starts in races elsewhere and they worked well. You are dropped onto the track 100 metres or so before the start line in 2x2 formation, and yes with AI control at slow speed until the leader crosses the line, and then go.

We did a race here with these soon after they were released and I think there were a few incidents because of the high speeds and (especially) very short braking distances. They did have different tyres and physics then though. I think I only have the V12, but not tried it since then, so I'll see if I can get some practice in later.

Btw, do these have tyre warmers? If so I would suggest the new AI rolling start would be better than a full lap manual rolling start - a full lap at slow speed will likely cool the tyres down too much.

Although even though they do occasionally start behind the safety car in very wet conditions in F1, it still doesn't seem quite right to have anything other than a standing start here..!

Even if we do a rolling start, the tyres remain cold for a while so the problem manifests itself again out of T1 and T2. We might as well do standing start, and everyone takes it easy on lap 1. To me, they are not more difficult to get off the line than the DTM 2003 was once you use the fixed setups and lower the engine map to 2 or 3.

The problem I highlighted happened yesterday afternoon & has been fixed overnight, so it may need updating again. See the second post in the link.

The possibility of setting the race distance to laps rather than time was introduced in the major update just before xmas if I remember correctly.

Quite happy with which ever start method is used, I think care will be needed on lap 1 whatever.

I have just restarted the server, and it didn't want an update, so I guess it has been done.
I will do a few starts at other tracks to see, but I am personally in favour of traditional standing start
I just want to try to avoid the event being wrecked before T1

I could perhaps have a virtual yellow flag, so no overtaking into T1   :scared:


EDIT: All 3 setups have now been updated

Can not use my laptop, forgot my adapter in the Netherlands. Sorry guys because this was the competuin i asked about. ????

Slight delay on results.

Well I enjoyed it, even if I came last.
Great pace and a good win for Jos. Welcome, and I hope you will race with us some more  :thumbup1:

Hungary next for these. A tight track, but doesn't have the nasty off camber exits of Spielberg that seem to
catch people out.

VW Scirocco next at Brands GP. Quite a different event  ;D

Thanks, phspok! I was surprised with the early part of the race and the few secs advantage that allowed me to manage my Crew chief mistake on the fuel department. I spent the second half of the race managing my fuel when I found out that I was running tight on it. I'll check this out for the next race.

Tons of thanks for the improved setup. I had downloaded the previous one and was doing high 15s with softs in qualy but decided, last minute, to get the improved setup and went done almost a full sec and P2 for the start of the race. Great setup! Thanks.
The start was a bit wobbly but safe  ;D

Mediums also worked well and lasted the full 23 laps, so thanks again for the tip.

If I manage to recover the replay, I'll probably process the video and will upload it to my channel.

Congrats to the podium and P2 that kept me honest and tense with the fuel management. I guess, had P2 not have a moment at T2, the last few laps would have been far more intense as he was catching fast...

Thanks for setting this up and hope we have more drivers joining the next race.

All the best,
Jos Ogos

Glad my setups were of some use  :)
Your pace was well beyond what I could manage with it. I could do with getting some more mechanical front grip without making the rear too loose.
I was getting a load of understeer if i went in too deep.  The faster tracks won't need such extreme rear settings.

We were at least two of our regular people down, one isn't happy with these cars, and one couldn't make it. Also I was hoping our fast Italian friends
might be tempted to race a 1990's Ferrari F1 (style) car. And Dimitar would have been a great addition to the grid. As would Roger and Stephen to name another
pair of our regular racers.  Maybe more will come for future races.  The cars need adding to our system, then I can do the results. Apologies for the delay.

I've had a quick test with the Scirocco at Brands GP. Fantastic combo!

Looking forward to it.

BTW, here is the video of the first 5mins of today's race... With the fuel management, it became quite boring after this...
https://youtu.be/O-p30WCbVfs (https://youtu.be/O-p30WCbVfs)

Last night was my 1000'th race here at SRou! Shame it was such a disaster, these cars are way passed my skill set so I'm starting a crotchet course on Thursdays.

Congrats! On your 1000'th race! That's quite a mark.
LOL with the crochet course... It might be a great relaxation technique before the races though. I can see that introduced in F1 nowadays ;D

Just in case this wasn't a typo, it's an age thing, you're allowed to be a bit annoyed as you get older. If it was, I could really do with a tea cosy Pete, aka a hat.

Billy Connolly said. You can't trust any man, who when left alone with a tea cosy, doesn't try it on.

That was pretty close in terms of pace from everyone and the start went better than expected with no major incidents. Unfortunate that we lost a couple of guys to spins that diffused the interest in the race. The tyres are a bit more peaky at the limit than I would want, but maybe we'll get used to them after a few races. A dominating win there for Jos.

That was kinda fun until I got a bit clumsy with the first to second gear upshift out of T2 and veered hard right into the barrier, game over. Looking forward much more to the Sciroccos next week.

Congrats Jos and podium.

Ha, so true  :laugh:

Congrats to Jos on an excellent win.  :notworthy:

Was a fun race & I may have been able to challenge for the win if I had not made a few mistakes early on which made me a bit tentative in the first half of the race. Got a bit lucky when both Pete & Frex spun out of the race at T2 & Toni made a slight error which elevated me to 2nd. Thereafter I got my act together & started to gain slowly on Jos but only really got so close at the end because he eased the pace considerably in the last few laps.

Interesting to watch Jos's video, he was using vastly different gears to me, maybe because the V12 does not have the torque of the V10, but at some corners he was 2 gears lower than me. I will have to experiment with the gearing options, possibly more speed to be found with different gearing.  ???

Thanks a lot Geoffers. I'm sure the issues you all were having behind helped a lot.

One of the first things I noted in the new setup by phspok was the different gear settings and I think it had a clear positive effect on speed and times when compared with the previous one. I'm expecting it will have a similar effect on the V10s. 

I think the original setups didn't have camber set to what appears to me to be sensibe, and the gears were probably just the default
I just wanted to give people a base that was drivable. The updated setups are more complete, gearing is probably about right
and the tyres should heat up more evenly across the width.

The thing that stood out to me in Jos's vid, was he, and it sounds like others, were using 1st out of the tight corners
I used 1st for about 100msec at the start, and never got any use after that , I was using 3rd in T3 for a lot of the time
and only started using 2nd as i got more confident. I do hope people don't get demoralised with these, they are
so rewarding at some of the tracks, though can be challenging with tight corner exits.

Getting down to 1sr gives you an advantage, I think, but you can see that I was ultra careful with my throttle and had to do a few corrections nevertheless. Particularly challenging was T3 in the change from 1st to 2nd as this was still very tricky to manage with the car still not fully straight...

Like Matt I was using 2nd for T2 & 3rd for T3. Also held 4th through the two left-handers with the final two corners in 5th & 4th respectively. Can't remember what I used for T1 though!  :-\

Jos was using 1st for T3, can't imagine with my gearing that that would be possible.

Results done

Couldn't participate because i forgot my adapter at the Netherlands.

Happy to see i had good training pace (high in the 1.16sec). Used the Martin setup but also changed the gearing back to the default setup. Only switched to second gear in T1 and T4. Still the start is really difficult.

Happy to see a youtuber participating in the RRE race's.

Hiya everyone.

Just signed up yesterday and looking to get involved in the FR90 races.
I couldn't find the round 2 post so perhaps someone can point me in the right direction.

My name is Paul and I'm 51 and live in Angmering, West Sussex.
I've been a sim addict for more years than I care to remember.

The post will appear when the lazy admin does it...  ::)

It is at Hungaroring, and will be 30 mins/XXlaps (probably laps when I get some times to go off)

And you are very very welcome  ;D

EDIT: Lazy Admin has done the event page, almost.
Even if there are no event pages, you can see the tracks in the Championship page here:
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1352&theme=4 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1352&theme=4)

Many of us here are senior racers, so you will fit in well  ;)

Superb. I'll keep an eye out.