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Practice 1:	20:16	(9 mins)	full time drivers only
Practice 2:	20:25	(10 mins)	reserves may join too
Qual 2:	20:35	(25 mins)
Race:	21:05	(35 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any NGT from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.1 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27) except the 993 GT2 - see this thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2228.0).
Weather: Dry
Track: Brno 2004
Race Start Time 14:00

Server: UKGTR NGT Academy
Password: here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2310)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=40).
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers should remember that they get only two free changes of car in each series.

Shame I missed out on the first race...Hope to make up some points in this race  ;) Cant wait!!

I will hopefully be able to repeat the great result I had last race, I have been practicing this track quite alot

After missing the first race of this series I'm hoping for a good showing.  Ran well on the practice server on Friday, so hoping for good things to come from it.

What times are you guys doing?

I'm concerned to see the 350Zs and TVRs doing 1:56s offline...   :surrender:

OMG! I'm a lot slower than that, although I haven't done a lot of setup work yet!

Where did you see that? GTR2Rank shows the best lap of any NGT (barring a silly 1.27) being 1.57 and the best TVR at 2.00.

Just did an offline race with the AI set to 110%.

The 350Z did a 1:56.7 best lap time with the TVR less than half a second behind.

The worrying thing is I'm struggling in the high 2:02s with my porker.   :-[

I drive a TVR and i am nowhere near the 2:00 mark how the hell do you get to that!!  hope these 1:56 times are wrong.

They are wrong. I doubt anyone will get near 2 minutes in a TVR, let alone a 350Z.

Edited to say that the negative ballast might just make it a possibility in a TVR, but I can't see the 350Z doing it.

I'll be walking around the track, as somebody sold my GT2 Porca. Please be carefull when overtaking me  :-*

I hope you are right Paul.  I'm as surprised as you by the times.  Perhaps the negative ballast screws up the times in the hands of the AI.  All I know is I couldn't live with the 350Zs on the track in that race.

The AI cars don't use the real physics.

You want a lift Ruskus?  Second thoughts you can drive ;)

OK that explains it then.  Thanks Dave..

You never did say the times you were doing  :P

Are you a hot chick with nice (.Y.)  ? If not, I'll keep walking  ;D

I have just seen someone do a 2:00 flat in a TVR, so it is possible....

....Damn and blast!

Its a good job he is in the Masters race

I have done a bit of practice off line and have got a qual setup just about ready. Got a 2.01.4 in my ballasted 360 GTC. Going to do a bit of prep for a race setup tonight and hopefully I will get a reserve spot for tomorrow's race. I have found though I am eating tyres in qual with softs. Can do about 3-4 laps max before all four hit 100+ degrees. Hopefully the race setup wont be as bad!

Got my G25 on Friday last week so still getting used to that a bit although I am at least up to the times I was getting previously with my old wheel (MS Sidewinder without FF). I would have got in more practice over the weekend but had to modify the desk to get it to fit properly. Not due to the design of the G25 but because I have a real old school desk. The metal frame is right up to the edge of the wood so had no chance getting the shifter unit over them both! Liking it so far. I had the 5 degree left off centre problem initially but fixed that using the solution on the logitech site. If anyone else would like it posted then I will stick a topic in the GTR2 board if there is not one there already.

I drove 5 laps yesterday with default F360 GTC setting and 2.01.xxx was easy - on medium tires. I guess going below 2.00 on qualy is perfectly possible. I just hope to find some time and prepare a proper setup today.

Unfortunately yesterday evening my brother decided to crash brake into someone's trunk and I had to do 150 miles to get him home from Berlin :(

1.31.4............... @Brno? Are you sure?

No wonder he is eating his tyres ;)

ooops! It is still early in the morning. I mean a 2.01.4  ;D Edited!

guys, are these times your posting in a car with ballast?

Si senor! :D

I've not managed better than a mid-2:03. Brno has always been a bit of a bogey track for me, I never seem to find a decent rhythm here or set the car up so it isn't sliding all the time. :-\

shud be a good race! gonna keep it on the black stuff this time  :)

See you on the track guys  8)

I can not get into race was in praccy but since you changed the password my gtr keeps crashing as the cars are loaded.cheers gerald will keep trying but times running out

I can't get in either. The lobby seems not to be responding :(

have just run off line no probs re installed mod pack but still crashed computer every time it got to adan parle.cheers gerald

Nice race!Well done everybody!Congrats to Perdy!
Qualied 2nd and finished 2nd,couldnt get anywhere near Perdy and went around on my own all race.Still good fun though!
Nice one guys!

Hmm, hard luck Gerald.  :-\

Happy enough with that, PB in qually, and after some early pressure settled in to doing some good laps.  The tyres went off a bit with about 10 mins to go, and I was losing bags of time after that.  Held off 4th and 5th for long enough, but after a bit of understeer into a corner both sneaked past and after that it was a fight to stay with them, in the end easing off and taking 5th.

Pleased, but gutted I couldn't stay in 3rd for my first podium.

Congratulations to the podium boys ;)
I´m very happy with my 4th place :D
Was a very intensive and fun race,i did almost all 35 mnts. behind
Paul Richards trying to overtake him, but he hold very well and fair :thumbup2:
On the straights he get some advantage with the 360, when cornering, my Vertigo
catch up the (beautifull skin, btw) Fezza. :yes:
When we catch Adam and his (beautiful skin, also  :laugh:) M3, we had an amazing
dice (top fairplay) :clap:
Thanks guys, was great ;)

CHEERS

Had a good race, couldnt get anywhere near my 2.03.03 pb for quali so setted in the end of 11th  :-X
The race was fine stayed consistant and keep it on the black stuff overtaking a few others who had misfortunes on the way......
whilst in 7th with about 5 laps to go was 3.4 secs behind Jonathan Ball, so dug in deep and pulled it down to half a sec or so at the start of the last lap!! through the last 3/4 turns we were bumper to bumper with no contact (excellent driving!! that what online racing is all about!! :-*) with us going out of the last turn and over the line side by side...... i thought i had it..... but no!! finished 7th!!
pleased with that!

Munk

congrats to the winners  :thumbup1:
for me this just gets better  :) first part of the race i had dave and don infront of me and was thinking of a block pass on don here and there but could'nt quiet get close enough to justify it :-\.i was keeping a constant gap to them till reign man had span and rejoined about 2 seconds behind me then.after that i was paying to much attention to what was behind(which i must stop doing) and he chipped away at me till i had a moment and he took the opportunity.
after that had abit of a bad stint but concentrated and caught up with don on the last lap but once again i couldn't find a safe way to pass.still though best race so far  8)
cheers for the hosting and bring on the next  :thumbup2:

Replay (http://www.ukgtr.org/replay/Brno%20-%20NGT%20Academy%20061114.zip) and Provisional Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=276) available

I was directly racing with someone for the entire time, and really enjoyed it. Nice clean racing from everyone I got near, great stuff.

Great race!

Had a great qualifying 5th or 6th, cant remember, it was just behind Paul Richards

Quickly got into good rhythm at the start of the race and was able to put some pressure on Adam, but exiting a corner I dropped it, spun the car. I hit the kerb whilst accelerating. Rejoined in 9th or 10th place. Just started to get a flow going again when I spun the car again.

Needless to say i was gutted, I used a few choice words and rejoined in 14th behind the TVRs of Don and Merlinthepike, i decided to take it easy for a few laps, i did not want to spin again.

After a few laps I started to get a good pace going again and started to catch merlin it took a few laps to catch him and had to start thinking about how to pass him. Merlin did the work for me and made a mistake which allowed me to pass him. Thanks mate  :P

Don was about 1.5 seconds up the road, took a few laps to catch him and had a real nice battle with him, took real effort, passed him once but overcooked it and he retook the position. He was defending the corners really well but had a slow exit out of a Corner and I was able to get past on the straight.

Dave was a few seconds up the road but there just wasn't enough laps left, finished about 0.5 behind him. Next time ;)

Despite the spins, a good race.

Reign Man

That was intense!! Great driving from all the guys around me esp Munkez. One more lap mate and you were way past me. Was watching our time difference get smaller and smaller and was wishing the race would end. I kept my lines as tight as possible so that you'd have to go outside me. Got the dreaded message on 2nd to last lap my tires had gone and knew I'd had it. But the end was sublime.....great respect for your driving Munk, I wouldn't have been atall disappointed if you'd pipped me...maybe next time:)

By the sound of it there's still something wrong with the pack installation. Did you look for duplicate car files as per my post, er, somewhere else?

good fun! well happy with first win!!!! grats all

was more nervous about leading field on first lap and not spinning for some reason!

quali was good! and starting from pole is a nice simple affair with this speed limiter procedure! and u know u won't get rear-ended!!!

just kept a consistent pace and FOR ONCE! didn't make any mistakes. race was good!!!  :)

This happened to me with GTL and I'd not installed the skin pack correctly. Can't remember exactly what I'd done wrong though :-\

Probably your best bet is to search on your GTR2 directory for any files with UKGTR in the name and delete them, then re-install the pack Gerald. At least that way you know there aren't any files in the wrong place. GTR can crash if it finds something it doesn't understand, I found that when trying to install an add-on track.

Rubbish race for me, slowest TVR and stupid tyre wear on fron left. Got the pit warning with 3 laps to go that it was worn  ::)

Had to quit and reboot GTR during P2, had all sorts of texture problems round T7 and T8, lucky for me the wall of grass texture was not solid, but no way could one race like that.Was fine after the restart.

Seems like most people have moved on a notch since the last race, in the whole race I only gained one place from people quitting or falling off. Well done everyone.

That was a pretty enjoyable race even though I still don't really grok (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok) the track.

Qualifying was disappointing with me unable to get within a second of my PB. Tried two totally different setups, one for straight line speed and one for corner speed, laptimes were similar but the corner speed one was a lot more comfortable so I went with that for the race, and I'm glad I did!

The start was fairly hectic with Eddie Meyer's RSR ahead and Merlin's TVR behind. Seemed to have really good pace compared to others in the opening laps and managed to squeeze up the inside of Eddie into the first part of the double right hander. Need to check the replay but I think and hope it was a solid but clean move.

Had a great tussle with Don's TVR, which was quick in a straight line but looked like Don was having to manhandle it into and out of the corners. Got round the outside of him once up the final hill but that compromised me in the final turn and we swapped back. Made a better job of my second attempt, making it stick earlier in the lap which gave me the track I needed to start to slowly eek out a small gap.

The Zed was mighty in the middle sector but quite short on pace in the faster first and final sectors; Jamera's RSR went off ahead but I couldn't make any real impression on him. Chunky on the other hand was much less consistent and the gap was changing quite a lot. I had no choice but to keep pushing hard because Don was starting to catch me again and I really wanted to stay in the top 10. I think Chunky's tyres must've started to go off big time near the end because I suddenly closed up a lot, and then he ran wide in the tight downhill left hander and gifted me 9th.

From there it was a matter of trying to stay as much in touch with Jamera as I could in case he made another mistake, and concentrating as much as possible on good exit speed. In the last few laps Reign Man was catching me very quickly even with a completely buckled in front end but luckily the flag was out and I just managed to keep the place. No way could I have held him off for another complete lap!

Thats from when i decided to remodel my front end on a tyre wall.  >:( It did not seem to slow me down to badly though, just had a spot of understeer in the higher speed corners

i think there was some confusion at the end of the formation lap, at the back anyway - there seemed to be some delay in getting going in front of me, so i lost about 3 places with cars behind going past... :-\
Anyway, had a good battle with Ivan for a few laps, and i think Oilseal.
Ivan and i were quite happy swapping paint throughout the race, untill i took us both off on the final turn - sorry m8  :'(
I got a puncture on the right rear on the following lap, leaving the front left off the ground. i tried to pit, but there was no way i was going to get around the track without getting in anyones way, so had to leave .

Some good driving all the way through the field, grats to perdy for the win, and all who took part.

Great stuff for the academy series  :o

This was my 1st ever GTR2 (and GTR) league race. Qualified 12th, more than a second slower than PB, which was a bit disappointing. The 1st part of the race was quite hectic and I got passed by Gizmo (solid and clean  ;D). Later on I had to let go two TVRs (picnic and Merlin I think) and tried to stay close which wasn't easy. Back to 15th the rest of the race was rather uneventful until the last lap. Turning into the last lefthander before the finish line I crashed into a porker which was parked in the middle of the track.
Trying to rejoin the track I spun on or rather off the grass and rolled onto the track just when Dangerman and Martin came round the corner. Sorry about that :-\

I was in front of you, I thought that when u put your pit limiter on exiting the 2nd to last corner it had to stay on! But the cars in front of me clearly pull away from me. so i kept mine on not wanting to break the rules (as i understood them).  :(

No worries m8 - at least you know now lol!
I'm sure you'll get used to it the more you enter events.

Will.

Well that was a tale of 2 stories for me - The Race & Biology!

Was happy with Qualli, did a pb in the 350z. Started at the back of the grid (as usual  :)) and dropped into a nice rhythm - then the biology came into play. My lad decided to barge into the room with a picture of a human torso and asked me if I could identify certain parts, for his homework! "Are you real? I`m racing", after quite a choice reply, he left the room, but my concentration was gone and I slammed it into the wall at T1 - that just wound me up even further, and I proceeded to do exactly the same on the following lap - *obhead!!!
My mental state at that point suggested a jacket with buckles might be in order, so I called it a day.

Really struggle with getting heat into the tyres on the 350 - they were that cold they had a woolly hat and a scarf on, and those mittens (you know the ones with the string).

Anyway, glad the new season is here, congrats to the podium, see you next time.

Cheers

Rob

Should i come off the pit limiter then?

The rules state


I didn't mind you hanging on as it gave me a bit a breathing space for the first couple of laps ;)

Yes, but if the drivers ahead fail to put on their limiter early enough then it seems reasonable to catch up.

Yes, indeed; there has to be an element of common sense, and if a large gap opens up in front after the limiter is supposed to be on it's not fair to be disadvantaged or to disadvantage those behind by not closing it up.

The other thing I've noticed is people not going until they reach the start/finish line; you can go as soon as the car directly in front does and again there's no need to disadvantage yourself by hanging around until reaching the line.

Ah, didn't think this was the case ... going when you cross the line seemed fine to me, generally you're not close enough to the car infront to cause an incident - this is certainly the case when T1 is reasonably high speed as it is at Brno.

For the most part it seems to work out that you go as you reach the line anyway. :D

From my experience, usually from the nice end of the grid ;), the two pretty much are the same thing. Only 1 or 2 car lengths in it usually.

Last night Damac was on my tail as we approached the go, I went when the car in front had and Damac didn't seem to for quite a few seconds after.

Congrats to Perdy and Luke and a special thanks to PRibiero for an excellent race :thumbup1: It was really tough but a good way to earn my first podium.

Qually was ok, didn't get near my PB as I had a pretty good practice build up to this race but 4th was ok. Didn't get as much time to prepare the race but mediums all round meant it would last and I was able to run consistant laps.

Started off quite slow while the tyres came up to temp. Got a bad start and Reign Man was able to put me under a lot of pressure straight away. He had a great pace for the first lap and got by quite easily. PRibeiro nearly did as well but I held on by the skin of my teeth (great side by side stuff!). Tyres then came and I was up to pace. Reign Man was closing in on Adam's M3 until unlikily he span. In the meantime I was getting serious grief from PRibiero. Could hold him off in the straights but round corners the Vertigo was great. It pretty much stayed like that for what seemed like ages. I would eke out the smallest of margins only to be back under the cosh again a alp later! It was great fun but very hard work!

Toward the end while still battling (I thought it would never end!) we started to close in on Adam as his tyres wore. I thought it might give PRibiero the chance to pass me as all 3 of us went nose to tail. Fortunately for me just as I was begnning to think I will need to pass Adam and quickly he had a big understeer slide on corner exit and that allowed a pass down the striaght. To my dismay Priberio also got up the inside to continue his assault! The 3 of us battled it out for a lap or two before it finally ended and I got my first podium still with a looming Vertigo just behind.

Well done to all, didn't see many cars at all spinning and the times were all pretty close so great driving. Thanks again to the orgainsation no problems here at all. With Luke getting second we scored good points for 28CD for the second race in a row!


 

i could not see the rear lights of the car, so had to wait until i knew you were pulling away.

Just put it down to experience - next time, just keep an eye on whats going on in front - the car(s) in front normally take off on the s/f line at the end of the formation lap.
Check out the replay and have a look at some of the others to get an idea if you are unsure m8.

Excellent 1st race guys really enjoyed it!?
Newbie questions.....
1.  Does GTR2 and/or Motec give you data on tyre wear!?
Or is it just a case of an educated guess on set up or run a full race length in practice!?
I'm using the temperature and pressures etc. have I missed anything!?

2.  Once you feel you have a 95% correct setup set as symetrical, are you guys then doing any minor non symetrical changes!?
ie. For a mainly lefthand circuit, would you be tempted to modify the righthand side of the car for that last little bit of grip!?

Only been at this 2 weeks! Can't believe I never got into this sooner! Just hope my reserve spot gets me in each week!?

M.

Welcome Mason, glad you're enjoying the game.


Don't think Motec gives tyre wear info. It is available in-game, but annoyingly only when you pit. I've always wanted to be able to check wear at the end of a race, but if you pit after the checkered flag it dumps you back to the lobby.  :-\ Fortunately, it's possible to check the wear using the PDMonitor utility (anyone have a link to this?). The wear values go up to 60, but at 30 it's seriously worn and you'll start losing heaps of time.


Yes, lots of drivers use slightly non-symmetrical setups, especially tyre pressures.

http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?p=3215116


You want the tyre pressures and temperatures to be as symmetrical as possible - in order to achieve this on a non-figure-of-8 track you'll need a little asymmetry in the cold settings (which is what you get in the garage) to try and get the 'inside' tyres (right side for clockwise tracks and left for anti) closer to the outside tyres in terms of pressure and temperatures.

I shy away for major asymmetry though because it makes the car difficult under braking.

Thanks Guys, must change my displayed name... Martin!!

Good feedback, thanks. I have noticed that no matter what I do to the arb settings I can never get the 2 wheel temps per axle as close as I believe they should be.
So has this drive for even temps suckered me into reducing my arb settings too low do you think!?
I'm guessing now that I can run slightly stiffer arb and correct temps on inside wheel with pressures etc.?
I appreciate your comments, thanks.

M.

a ha thats what i was gunna post 2 martin's, not that i minded he done better than me (the draw runners holding my wheel ect fell apart during the race least thats my excuse) can we change race names without making a new profile in the game?

Martin ???? but which one

Thanks for the advice Guys , Will do the search and Dave I will look for your instructions again.Is it that when you change to the race password only cars in the pack are allowed.But any with the praccy password. Cheers gerald

The cars allowed should be set the same regardless of whether it's a practice server or a race server (caveat GT/NGT allowed, both or just one, depending on what event is coming up). The pack is installed on both A and B servers - but if you're the only one on the server you won't have problems with anything but your own car. If there are others on the server, you may have problems when it comes to load their cars on your machine if the car files don't match up.

I don't think you can do it in the game, but if you go into the GTR2\UserData directory, you can rename the directory, and then the .PLR file inside to match. (Take a copy before you try of course!) That should do the trick.

thanks for that I've now changed my race and user name to "exteg martin"

Martin