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Season 38 – 1967 F1 WORKS – Round 2 – Montjuich v2

For the 2nd round we go to Montjuich Hill near Barcelona.
This track was a street circuit on Montjuich mountain above Barcelona. A twisty tricky circuit, it was the site of the tragic 1975 Spanish Grand Prix. Many drivers felt that the circuit was unsafe, and two time world champion Emerson Fittipaldi withdrew in protest before the start of the race. On lap 26 the Embassy Hill-Lola car of Rolf Stommelen left the track, killing five people. The race was subsequently stopped at half distance and half points awarded, with Jochen Mass being recorded as the winner. Lella Lombardi became the first female driver to score world championship points, taking 0.5 points for 6th place. Formula One never returned to the circuit after the accident.

Race list	= iGOR
Server	= UKGPL04_60fps
IP address	= 86.6.125.152
Date	= 24-01-2021
Password	= see above
GPL Mod	= 67
60fps Patch	= 60fpsV2newmod
Track download	= Montjuich v2 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=13752)
Track directory	= montjc69
Damage	= PRO
Qualifying starts	= between 20:45 and 21:00 UK time - until 21:30
Race starts	= ~ 21:30 UK time
Race length	= 32 laps
Replay	= here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1887u_xESYwvRqLmdYFReUevp4EaF3KC1/view?usp=sharing)

Please restrict chat to emergency messages only including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Driver lists and division specific rules can be found on the Season 38 pages for details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1262&theme=6) regarding the rules and the 1967 F1 Works pages (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1282&theme=6) in particular.

Handicapping
This serie is a joint championship with GPL Brazil so, please, read carefully these new and specific rules :

Drivers will have a FREE CHOICE of chassis however, a bonus of 50 championship points will awarded to each driver that uses all 7 chassis.

To qualify for bonus points, each chassis should be used at least once and no chassis can be used more than twice."

A bonus point will be awarded for pole position.

A bonus point will be awarded for the fastest lap.

Any driver who uses the same chassis more than twice will not be awarded any bonus points.

A driver must cross the start line in order to register the use of a chassis, participation in qualifying is not sufficient.

It is not necessary to use 7 different chassis for the first 7 races.
However at the end of the season, all 7 chassis must have been used to qualify for the bonus points.

Points will be allocated from 1st to 12th as follows: 20, 15, 12, 10, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
Drivers must complete 75% race distance to score.
All rounds count towards the driver's championship.

For each race, only the top two drivers from each team count towards team championship.
All rounds count towards team championship.

Drivers are reminded that Lap 1 incidents do carry an extra 1 place penalty.

Only reported incidents will be moderated.

Used chassis after Watkins Glen race :

Driver	Once	Twice	Three+	Bonus
Alain Maurice	BRM			No
AlexGPL67	BRM			No
AnGex (Andreas)	Eagle			No
Arf Arf Arf	Honda			No
Baab	Brabham			No
Cookie	Cooper			No
Doni Yourth	BRM			No
Enrique Farina	BRM			No
EvilClive	BRM			No
fpolicardi	Brabham			No
GregT	BRM			No
JonnyO				No
K.Miele	BRM			No
Lasse Albrecht				No
MagicArsouille	Cooper			No
Markus Friedrich				No
Raoni Frizzo	Lotus			No
Syd Drake	Lotus			No
Bagrupp	Brabham			No
Ricaramos				No
Ricardo Valim Da Silva				No
Renato Jungle	Ferrari			No
Carlos Cendejas				No

32 times through that T1  :laugh:

I thought the same. The race is likely to be one of attrition. Lets hope that at least a few of us will get to the end somehow  :wheelchair:

Nice going there, Markus.  :(

Frank...  Your instance on remaining on track inverted cost me 15 seconds while I was trapped behind you.  Grrr...

Short race here, rear ended in the twisty section on lap 2. Car flew to the moon and back and landed on the wheels right side up. But the car was heavily damaged and pulling to the right. I crashed out at t1 on the next lap when it pulled me into the fence.

All freeezed like me at 7 lap to go?  :'(

Same here. Game just froze with only 7 laps to go.


And sorry for the lap one incident. I spun after the hairpin but could go on... Hope it did not cause too much trouble to all of you. I had problems hearing my own engine and so I applied to much throttle when I left the corner.

Unfortunately Lasse had some troubles. Before that, it was nice to battle as we were at a similar pace (even when seperated by a few seconds). After Lasse retired I took it a little easier. Feels bad that the race ended with a freeze. I would have liked it very much to claim a victory at such a challenging track!

I didn't fully enjoy this combination of car and track even though it is a great challenge and gives you a satisfying feeling when you master it.
Circuits which require lots of risk have always suited me. I felt that around here as well and took a last-second pole, though credit has to be given to Markus who had the inferior car, but still almost outqualified me.
Then something must have happened in the first 5 corners in the race, because suddenly I was 4 seconds ahead of Markus. That only lasted until lap 5 or something when I completely unncessarily spun at Guardia Urbana, what a stupid driver error... After that I tried to cut the gap to Markus back down and well, my pace was good, but another error into T1 cost me even more time, but I survived a 180 degree spin into the right side of the barrier. Then just a few laps later I repeated the same stupid mistake into T1, just failed to straighten the car enough and spun in the same way as I did previously, though this time my left front tyre fell victim to the wall.
Now I'm just curious to see how many drivers make it to the checkered flag.
I've really got to say that as soon as I saw this track on the calendar, I considered it to be a fragile choice. It's really hard to get the 67s around this circuit, therefore accidents are likely and especially in the first part of the track it's really hard to avoid a spinning/crashing car. Furthermore the pre-season test race around here has shown that the likeliness for screenfreezes is high... Still I enjoyed this challenge in a way.

Edit: Well, as I typed this many drivers experienced a screenfreeze...

After this round the chassis used are:

Driver	Once	Twice	Three+	Bonus
Alain Maurice	BRM Ferrari			No
AlexGPL67	BRM Cooper			No
AnGex (Andreas)	Cooper Eagle			No
Arf Arf Arf	BRM Honda			No
Baab	Cooper Brabham			No
Bagrupp	Honda Brabham			No
Carlos Cendejas				No
Cookie	Cooper			No
Doni Yourth	BRM Cooper			No
Enrique Farina	BRM Cooper			No
EvilClive	BRM Cooper			No
fpolicardi	Brabham Ferrari			No
GregT	BRM Cooper			No
JonnyO	Honda			No
K.Miele	BRM Cooper			No
Lasse Albrecht	Brabham			No
MagicArsouille	Cooper			No
Markus Friedrich	Cooper			No
Raoni Frizzo		Lotus		No
Renato Jungle	Ferrari			No
Ricaramos				No
Ricardo Valim Da Silva				No
Syd Drake		Lotus		No

  Congrats Alain!!!!!! Super!!!!!

 Congrats Taber and Farina for podium!

 Me , one stupid mistake  :death:

Thirty-eight seconds.  That's how far I was off the lead at the end of my first lap.  Never been in such a shit show.

Lap06 and I swung a bit wide in T1.  Car just skated off into the barrier.  Wheel gone bye-bye.  Now I see why.  I opened a saved lap in GPLRA and see that the outside of T1 is configured with concrete, not tarmac.  It has far less grip.  Thanks, track builders.

Apologies to Bastian for a nudge in T1 in an early lap.  You careened off the inner barrier and swung wide.  I thought I was easily through down low til you pinched off the corner.

I watched replay, we got freezed at the very same moment. Very odd.

I had the same experience at half distance, I don't know how I survived.

my apologise to syd drake, for the incident, I try to brake to hard my car, but was impossible, maybe you break early, and I could avoit you, so sorry syd, I accept any punish of the marshals,
  the rest of the race, I try to drive the more safety than I can, and can end the race in 3 place, I only have that bitter taste of my blow whit drake :-(
   congrats, alain and greg for the rest of the podium...

Good morning all

Lasse and Markus were in the race as in the fastest practice, bad luck will not even allow them to finish the race, sorry for you.
Behind us are several in the same second, the errors will be fatal.
In this little game, I am lucky to only make 2 mistakes and at the same place in Guardia Urbana, the track is wide and I do not hit any rails.

At the end of the race, Lasse breaks his car at V1, here I am 2 behind Markus already far too far and anyway too fast.
Behind Greg T starts honking just seconds, he goes fast.
Concentration and no exaggeration of confidence, take care of the braking and we'll see.

Suddenly, I see several messages in RED at the top left of my screen, thin several pilots coming out like that at the same time, it smells of general disconnection !!!

Finally no, but Markus disappeared victim of the end-of-race freeze, again dsl for all of you.

There are 7 laps left, I'm 1 and GregT is at 2s, no stress or panic otherwise breakage is guaranteed, it comes back to 1s, the same after a virtual yoga session, my hands are starting to sweat.

Luck smiles at me once again, GregT running out of gasoline cannot keep his pace which allows me to end up without pressure in the end with 10 laps of fuel in the tank OUFFFFFF !!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

Bravo Enrique for this beautiful podium, Alex and Arf in BRM for finishing this race.

Sorry for all the unlucky ones and see you soon

Thanks to Admins

I just watched the server replay and saw the horrible chain reaction I caused through spinning at lap 1 turn 2  :(. I am very sorry and totally understand your frustration Doni. So the freeze I was suffering from later seems like karma. I have to apologize espacially to Raoni, Miele and Bob too. Raoni and Miele were taken out in the aftermath of my mistake. And Bob had a superb start from P5 to P3 only to loose it again due to me spinning. Apologies also to all the others who got frustrated by my mistake!

@Maurice: Congrats to the win! As you described the track is exhausting. Well done!

We had this the other day at oAo as well around Edmonton where NINE drivers experienced a screenfreeze in the same lap... GPL is a mystery sometimes.

its ok. i had a weird line in the corner. my favorite track with my favorite car. could not believe it went that good, slow but stable.
I was finishing in mind when that f*cking freeze with 7 laps to go caught also me. Hoped the new track is more stable.

Congrats Alain and Enrique! Good job guys.

I worried lap 1 could get ugly. It did. It's not surprising the attrition was so high. It's a shame to see all the misfortune.

The drivers that took the Hondas and BRMs are brave souls. I doubt I could have made it. I would have had to go slow.

This was the first time I've driven the new version of the track. I drove 5 laps before qualifying. That was enough to see my old setup was very close for the new track. This new track didn't seem to puzzle me as much as Monza67 does.

My Cooper was excellent. It took some lap 1 damage. I hit the walls at least 3 or 4 times through the race and I ran the Maserati engine rather hard the first 2/3s of the race.

It was nice to drive decent. I felt alot better than I did at Watkins Glen. I was hoping to finish at least 6th, 1 point in 1967. I never imagined I finish 2nd.

That's the most I've enjoyed driving the 67s in many months. I was moving along fairly well by the midpoint of the race. It did suck that I didn't load enough fuel. With about 10 laps to go I realized I wasn't going to finish if I didn't start saving some fuel. That was about the same time I thought I might catch Alain. I saved just enough fuel to cross the line before the engine died.

Thanks for the fun guys!

Had a look into the screen freeze problem:

Markus, Fulvio and Bastian all suffered screen freezes at the same time (0h41m24s).

Positions at the time:
Markus P1, at Pueblo Españo
Fulvio P5, at El Ángulo de Miramar (exit)
Bastian P7, at El Ángulo de Miramar (approach)

Nobody on a particularly unusual area of the track. So, if it was a discontinuity in the road surface, it is surprising that it didn’t happen to many other drivers who have crossed the same piece of tarmac.

Looking at GPL htlm export, the race numbers are:
Markus #16
Fulvio #3
Bastian #2

The race numbers of the other drivers who were still running at the time were:
Alain #17
Greg #7
Andreas #15
Enrique #6
Alex #19
Arf #9

I can’t see any correlation with race numbers (i.e. sequential numbers affected).

Had a look in the “Detailed Race Report”

So according to the report all 3 were disconnected at exactly the same time. Not sure if the order the drivers are listed in the report is significant. All the other non-finishers retired for mechanical reasons or crashes.

Don’t know why disconnections are sometimes associated with screen freezes and sometimes they are not. It appears in most cases when a screen freeze occurs, it affects multiple drivers, no idea why. No idea why specific drivers are affected.

In the Privateers race there were no problems. Different servers but nothing to suggest it was a server issue. But will investigate further.

Martin (Maddog) did warn us that the track was susceptible to screen freezes which is why we ran a test race (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=23571#event12931). After that we decided that it was probably worth the risk. Sorry it didn’t work out for Markus, Fulvio and Bastian. We should probably do more testing and investigation before we use the track in a league race again. Next use currently scheduled for Mixed Open Wheel – Round 10 – 8/6/2021.

Re the discos, Clive and I had a similar experience in the recent 69 fun race, not sure if it's significant.

This track seems pretty heavy for my set-up, I suffered reduced frame rate (below 50) in quite a few corners which was annoying and off-putting.  Since i only have this when racing online connecting to a race server I am wondering if it is due my internet connection, could this be so?  I only have a 16MB connection...of which ookla tells me I achieve 13MB.  This generally seems fine for my numerous conference calls and indeed online racing at other circuits (another test would be Spa 67 I suppose).  I've set-up port forwarding in my router and turned off my firewall  :o.  Do you all have much faster connections?

The race was okay until I crashed.  I had a few hairy moments but was going reasonably despite the frame rate issue.  The Cooper's tyres seemed to take a good few laps to come in but after that my front end was amazing, almost too good as I had to watch the rear skating about.  After Alain had a moment I closed on him but shortly after brushed a barrier which bounced me into another spinning me into yet another and ripping a wheel off (amazing damage for such a minor impact), sorry for not exiting immediately Fulvio, glad you managed to navigate around me.  Disappointing, I had high hopes.

@Markus, ah so it was you spinning L1!  No probs, sorry I couldn't avoid you!  L1 can be really tricky, cold tyres, other cars close by, gotta be cautious, I also struggled, was in 2nd when I thought I was in 1st, etc.

Cheers Guys

@Bob

I just explained it to Bernie - the online CPU stress is way more than racing offline with 19 simple AIs.

AI have a simple alghorithm and don't do unexpected things.

Your pc gets much more info when you do online racing - just go into any other drivers cockpit and you see him driving and get all his cars data - and you can do this with all racing drivers on a server!

When you see one warping because he has lag, it is your pc wich computes where he will go next, if a different info is received belated the car jumps! It happens in your PC not in the server!

Good morning all

I also had drops in FPS in some places when I have a fiber optic connection.
To reduce this phenomenon, I used for racing the original FERRARI from the 1998 game, it much less pretty but corrects the drop in FPS.

For the race, I wouldn't be against suppressing the result, or replaying it if possible.

Thank you  :)

Yes, fps-drops have nothing to do with your type of connection.
I was allready taken out in a mass dico sitting 5m besides the server!


Reducing the resolution of your car may help a little, yes, but it is not the solution, another way is to reduce the drawing distances of the track as Martin has mentioned.

BUT

these are all false stopgap solutions, because the real problem is not solved. I bet every mid range PC is able to play GPL in full glory without problems, if it is not older than 5-7 years.
The tracks have become much more demanding and require more from the CPU and GPU than 10 years ago.
Modern CPUs and GPUs running in lowest eco state cant handle GPL well...

I just made a test with an old Haswell 4130 and a very cheap MSI 1050 mobo with 8GB RAM - a fresh W10 and the integrated intel graphics.
GPL 60fpsaiV1 Spa67 full grid AI full HD 1920x1080
It did run fine with OGLV2 until you wanted to leave the car - black screen  :o so I resetted the W10 graphics to standard and replaced it with the old msi intel iGPU driver -  Problem solved!
W10 had installed its own signed inappropriate intel driver...
This would be fine for 67s offline, but for online it is too weak! Next step will be the GTX 960 added...

@Cookie
Am I right remembering that Ginetto provided an update for the new Goodwood circuit that has a new 3do that reduces the draw distance? Because there were also problems with screen freezes during online races with that circuit.
And is there another way to reduce the draw distance on my own? I mean without changing the 3do, because I do not know how to do that.

Yes, the reduced-draw update for Goodwood65 is available at the track download location. Was added to the first post of the thread at SRMZ:  http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=13395&st=0

Cheers,
Dave.

Markus, imo too much for little effect...
only if your pc specs are very poor you can reduce the graphic settings in game options to "few"
and set the detail slider to 50%

my 2GB VRAM GT 1030 passive office GPU does not need it!
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(https://i.ibb.co/y8FSmtN/Bildschirmfoto-2021-01-26-14-27-56.png) (https://ibb.co/VvYm0RL)
(https://i.ibb.co/VqQvqmY/Bildschirmfoto-2021-01-26-14-28-18.png) (https://ibb.co/kS9hS12)