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Date: Tuesday 21st November - Boody Sunday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_%281920%29) Race

Practice 1:	20:15	(10 mins)	full time drivers only
Practice 2:	20:25	(10 mins)	reserves may join too
Qual 2:	20:35	(20 mins)
Race:	21:00	(40 mins)	Note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.1 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27) - see this thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2228.0).
Weather: Dry
Track: Brno 2004
Race Start Time 14:00

Server: UKGTR GT (an unmoderated overflow server using the standard practice password (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=12) will be available for reserves who can't get into the main server)
Password: here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2342)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=36).
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers may only change cars twice in the season without penalty.

Bloody Sunday race? But it's Tuesday!  ;)

Go on then guys, depress me with your lap times!? I really can't get the 550 going!
I managed a 1.56 something but I'm guessing this is way off the pace!?

Dave, I noticed there are lots of reserves for this but no Master/Academy split!?
Any reason for that!?

Martin

GTs just not as popular as NGTs. We can barely fill the NGT Sprint or Endurance grids with people who actually turn up and the number of drivers registered for GT is a lot lower.

1.52 qual, 1.54 race so far with F550

1:57xx in Lister - race set up  :'(

Your not the worst out there..!

show off  ;D  :P

Funny thing is that I used Huttu's Lister setup from Team Redline site and only tweaked the gearing :D Lister on his qual setup is just poetry to drive!

Low 51s in quali and 52s in race trim, guess there's still at least a sec in it.

The 550 is so easy after driving the Viper almost exclusively, i consider switching to it for the next endurance race.  ;-)

Martin if you could send me your setup and motec... we're teammates after all :D

[email protected]

Going to have to give tonights race a miss, on a fairly intensive course this week with lots of homework.  :-\

Bad luck Greg.

Not really mate, its a £2500 course that I'm getting for free  ;D, worth putting a bit of effort into.

Unfortunately its a bit dull, prince2 (project management)

LOL, only a bit of effort.  ;D

Nothing wrong with project management...its efficient, saves work and time and applies to almost everything u do in life...but yes it can be boring  ;) :D

Ud laugh if ur saw my initial design for my vid, workflow gant charts and all  8) :lol:

Im so f****************king upset!  :censored: :cursing: :death: :2guns:

Man that sucked the big one...Fought so hard to get the Saleen up with the 550's and lambos then lost connection as joining grid. What a load of croc!

To hell with that!!!!!!!! At least my g/f is happy now :D

Finally had my pc fixed, not really had time to practise so drove rubbish times, but anyway I wanted to drive after 2 weeks so let's give it a go!

Well it could've been more fun if there wasn't a big pile up at last corner at formation lap, where someone knocked my rear wing off, which gave a totally undrivable car, sad ending/beginning of my race :death:

Well i hit the race button after qualifying, only to find that i wasn't starting from the grid - oh no.
In fact, my time was so cr@p, that the server decided to let me start the race from the goddamn forest, behind the grandstand, with a load of 2D spectators.

Nice.

What a complete waste of time ::)

If you go down to the woods today, your sure of a big suprise!!!!!!

Sorry buddy! Couldn't resist!!

M.

:)

Martin Steinmetz ..... can I be your team mate also!!!!  ;D

Qually was quite interesting. I had a Brno setup but it wasn't too good. So I thought, what track goes clockwise and has long fast righthanders....Ahhh. Barcelona. So I loaded a Barca setup and I was immediatly quicker with that ;D. My Q time was exactly the same as my Lambo time last sunday.

The race was boring as hell. Jon and Claus were flying away in the distance, and I was slowly driving away from the people behind. I had t hotlap for 40 minutes at Brno, and my times were pathetic near the end. The car understeered so badly eventhouh the tyres held up (didn't hear a message and temp were fine).

Grats to Claus and well done to Jon for taking 2nd place. I am quite happy with 3rd here, as I utterly hate this track. Just as much as Estoril ;D. So bring on the proper tracks :D

Wasn't looking to forward to this one and took the Lambo. In the end I had a great time racing with CJ. He had the pace of me and got past after about 3 laps. Then it was a case of just trying to stay with him. I made a couple of small errors which wasn't to bad as I was pushing a fair bit but CJ's class told in his F575 and he extended his lead lap after lap. Really enjoyed trying to keep up. Nice race all.
Grats to Ceejay on his Win 8)

Stupid car, why do they have to put the steeringwheel on the wrong side. Touched the grass while braking for T1 and that ended all hopes for a good position. My race decent until then, qualified 4th, which was better then i had hoped. Struggled to keep the 550s of Paul and Baracus behind,but they both made mistakes and i was starting to catch Ruskus again with 10mins to go. Fought hard to catch FreQ and an overambitious move saw us both spinning (Sry ;-)). Didn't cost either of us any positions and with  Baracus going off in the last corners i came home  7th.

I guess after 2 faultless races i just had to screw up this time. :-/

See you all in Belgium :-)

Sorry to here of discos and forest trips. Complete pig when that happens. Feel for ya.

My debut was one to forget.  :-X Chose the Saleen for variety and it felt heavier than I remember, but some setup tweaks and I soon had it going round the bends all right. Quallied exactly where I expected in the pecking order (I think 11th or 12th?) and what a plonker I am. Somehow I had got Softs selected. Now the Saleen needed a lot of fuel and it's heavy anyway, so race and softs =  >:D >:D. they lasted all of 5 laps before it was handling like a large peice of grated cheese  :o. Seeing my wear rate at stupid levels I knew I had selected softs and just couldn't go that pace with such hot and worn tyres so early on and promptly spun it out of the 3rd gear right hander at the bottom of the hill and smacked hard into the barrier. This broke my front end and gave me a puncture. Had to limp round to the pits whilst the whole field passes me. Got repaired and new MEDIUM tyres from my slippery when wet pit crew and off I went nearly 40 seconds behind the next man.

I'm not a quitter and refused to finish last so I pushed the Saleen as hard as I could to chase down the next man and close the 40 second gap with 26 or so minutes left. With about 5 minutes left I caught and overtook him. At the same time CJ and Jon were slowly coming up to lap me. They were faster than me but not so fast that they would just breeze by so I let CJ through on the straight and when Jon was close enough and I made an error I chose that time to let him by easy toon not wanting to mess with their race.

Was catching Gerald but not enough time left and ended 1 lap down to CJ and Jon. Was worth carrying on just to make sure I wasn't last of the finishers and also get more time in a GT car.  ;D ;D ;D

I think next week I'll take the MC12 as although the Saleen was ok, was a bit heavy for my liking, I prefer something that needs slightly less man handling.

Well done CJ, Jon and Jeff on the podium, excellent speed as usual.

Just had my first ever UKGTR race - man what a blast despite running last. Had no clue on what settings to run so I showed up on the grid with 500rpm less power and rock hard rubber. Clearly erred on the conservative side... ::)

Some network questions on warping - I noticed cars could disappear for a split second at times ahead of me - definitely worse. Also.. I get the 'sychronising track' message every 5 laps or so.. is this normal?

I'm on a 8mb adsl connection, connected wirelessly though and ISDN set in-game as suggested. Seems odd cos the connection is otherwise rock solid in r-factor

Anyway.. what a blast! - Glad to have been your moving target Simon!!!  ;D ;D ;D - Bring on the next round! :P

Ah! Yes you kept dissapearing. You have to race wired as GTR is very picky about wireless. Others have had the same problem and only cure is to race wired as wireless will just keep cutting out like you describe.

 :stupid: ;)

I'm soo chuffed, 6th in first race! *beam*

Honestly not a problem Martin - it was a tiny love-tap racing incident, we only lost a couple of seconds. Awesome racing with Leuven, very close and fair.
Tyres were very worn by the end, but were'nt overheating and had a bit of fuel left too....I'll never get the fuel load right :P

I'm looking forward to the next Enduro/sprint already. : ;D


I know I should fell awful about this Will, but your post there had me in stiches when I read it! Classic!

Another race where i end up qually and racing slower than any previous offline or online praccy session..i am perplexed ???
Still, i outquallied TT for once  :P and was tucked just behind Shark until Aagramn pipped me at the end for 12th.

Put meds all round on the Saleen for the race and instantly got more understeer than i had with the setup using softs. Kept up with the top 10 in front of me for quite a few laps hoping shark and aag would tangle and get me through as i was hanging onto their shirt tails. Then saw Shark lose the back end and wind up facing the wrong way on track :o  So upto 10th and feeling good.
Stayed like that for ages until i got caught by Pedro in his Lambo who went by me like i had parked  :-[ Then to add insult to injury with only about 2 minutes left on the clock i got mugged by another pretty boy Lambo driven by Locotus who also caught and flew by me while i struggled with now-serious understeer and he nicked my hard earned 11th place  :'(
By race end my laps had dropped by 2+ seconds a lap  :(  Got no worn tyre warrnings and temps stayed near perfect the whole race with around 195kpa fronts and 203 rears. Perhaps i should have chanced soft fronts as i seem to constantly struggle with understeer using medium fronts. ???  Shame as the car had felt great in practise where i had been able to set regular 1:53's.

Well done to the winner.  8)

Same here. After last fueldisaster I loaded up maximum fuel. But the 550 isn't as thirsty as the Lambo, so I finished with 25L of fuel, enough for 7-8 laps :whistling:

I hate to disappoint you Simon, but the MC12 is around 60kgs heavier than the Saleen in UKGTR spec.

That race pretty much sucked for me.

On the formation lap, just about everyone in front of me locked up, and I ended up sliding into Locutos - sorry mate :(

Then on the 2nd lap, Locutos half spun, and Lincsescom had to brake and swerve to aviod hitting him. Unfortunately I had nowhere to go again and lost some more of my front splitter.

After this, I had a very understeering Saleen. Could just about keep up with people in front, and had a good battle with Mark Mc, but a bit disappointed to be so far down the order :(

Replay (http://www.ukgtr.org/replay/Brno%20-%20GT%20Sprint%20061121.zip) and Provisional Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=244) available

Darn, certainly feels lighter than the Saleen, more chuckable for sure. May end up in a few races going back to the Lambo I used for 3 season of GTR1, but gonna give a few a try to see what they're like even if I do get a 20% penalty or whatever it is. 20% of Zero points is no problem.  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Strange race for me, as I never felt I had the car working properly. Qual was terrible as I should have been quicker (even allowing for online times being slower than offline). I started 6th, made up a place when Leuven went wide and then spent several laps chasing Martin's Lister. As in the NGT race, the car understeered on the exits, which made passing difficult even when I had a good position. In the end, Martin was very slow into the long right at the bottom of the hill, I just about ran out of room trying to avoid him and Baracus nipped by me in the confusion. I then had a spin on the next corner trying to catch up from off-line. Leuven went past at this point, and the majority of the rest of the race was chasing him (like with Martin, I was faster, but had no easy way to get past). In the end the pressure told as he went wide again, and as Martin and Baracus had both gone off before that I was left in a comfortable 4th - probably about what I could have hoped for based on race pace .

Congrats to CJ (& Jon) who are in another league at the moment.

Something bad in the air today methinks! Just to add to the "carp race for me" crew, I really can't believe my bad luck. Here's my story (I will try not to go on but i am well p'd off)!!

I was still trying out some fairly dramatically different setups in the 2 practice sessions and settled on one with a bit of oversteer but nice and controllable. Qualified 8th which became 7th when Rad didn't turn up. A steady start and good few first laps. Someone went off and I was catch Martin and Paul a bit then losing a bit. They were slowing each other down so I managed to get right up close then they touched a bit which gave me a gap past Paul... although he recovered well so I had to defend into the next slower corner but this meant braking late and I ended up having to cut inside Martin but didnt quite make it - sorry for that scrape!! I let him go as it was unfair to take that place aswell. A few laps later I got past cleanly into P4 and than had his Lister all over my ass.

This was about half distance and then my problems started!!! My Momo Force (red one) started making a strange noise in the turns like teeth grinding. It put me off at first coz I was wondering what the hell was going on, which made me loose concentration and I came off the track (not badly) so Martin was back through. This noise  got worse and worse every lap but seemed OK on the straights. I tried to drive through this "mechanical" problem Schuey style and was coping OK but losing a lot of time. I really cant believe the bad timing but literally on the last half of the last lap it died totally and I had no FF and the noise of grinding cogs was constant and so loud I couldnt hear my engine!! This totally screwed me and I went from 7th (or 6th) to 10th in the run up the hill to the finish!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR :(

Oh well, I will have to order a G25 if it works with my pedals but it seems a bit of a waste seeing as I dont need the pedals or shifter. (I got the Frex H-Shifter and ECCI pedals/clutch)

Still cant believe that if it lasted just 1 more minute I would have been OK and happy with my position, considering what happened, but OOOH NOOO! Bugger.

Sorry to anyone I got in the way of on that last lap and grats to the podium... 'till next time.

I will never have an espresso just before race. Never AGAIN! ;)

Qualifications were disappointing as I scored 9th time - 2s below my PB. I always liked Brno and at least hoped to gain some places in race. Unfortunately - it was not my lucky day. On third lap I failed to brake into T4 and dropped to 14th. Approached Truetom and Pablo without problems, but then gave a friendly "slap" to Truetom at T9 sending him into the sand. As I felt guilty about his lost places I ran a self induced "drive through" penalty, which made me drop to 21th. Again.

But - is there anything better than a good chase? :) After some crazy driving and very close (sometimes too close) encounters with Ivonsmiven (mate I thought you would run wide as I did for you just corner earlier), Linescom and EdamSpeed I finished 13th. Not bad considering the place loss I suffered twice.

Right now I'm not so sure I should have penalised myself - but (the hell) it's all about racing and no decision should be regretted. At least I'll sleep well tonight. :)

Congratulations to all you gentelman, with special cheers to the lucky three.

Has anyone, particularly Saleen drivers, found soft fronts to last for these 40 min GT sprints ? Unfortunately i didnt find the time to test my Saleen setup in race trim and suffered the dreaded understeer throughout with the med boots. Losing 2 secs a lap was no fun  :(
Are you guys generally lowering your front ARB from your qually setups to compensate for the meds ?

Congrats to the podium, good to see 2 Sharks up there.  :)

Pretty good race. Qualified right next to Simon (again), in 13th with a new F550 PB. Could tell he was struggling, so wasn't suprised when he spun off. Picked up a few more places as people had problems. Had some luck at the end. A recovering Pablo was catching me quickly, while I struggled with worn fronts. A few corners before the end I passed a splitter-less Baracus to give me 8th place, which also gave me just enough breathing space to defend the last two corners from Pablo. Finished a couple places higher as a result.

Need to check the replay over some minor contact half way through the race.

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Bnro 21-11-2006/g_info.htm)

Generally not me. I don't see how softs on the front last at all. At Brno the left front was the hottest tyre of all 4 with miles more wear than the others both in NGT and GT.
All I tend to do is more fuel, medium tyres, open radiator one more and very occasionally take off one rear wing for greater overtaking.

Is hard rubber used during the enduros or is medium as far as anybody would push it?

How about brake ducts - is the impact on performance sufficiently minimal that you can run wide open or fully closed?

Thanks to your advice, I just picked up an adsl extension cable from Maplin's... so that should eliminate the problem of warping.. perhaps this is a point that could be added to the rules as a suggestion (that inaddition to setting ISDN in-game, wi-fi connections should be discouraged from a lag perspective)

I personally never use hard tyres. I haven't actually tried them in GTR2 but in GTR1 they did not give enough grip to make the extra durability worth it. As there is an enforced pit stop in the Endurance running mediums for both stints imho is the best way to go.

No I don't think you'd be able to run them fully closed. You'd be locking your brakes a lot and wearing your brakes too much. Fully open would mean you had less temperature in your brakes so reduce your ability to actually brake. A happy setting in the middle is best as with most things. Reduce it for qually to get more braking power as you don't care about durability of the brakes.

The only time you'll need hards is when the track is *seriously* hot. Other than that, just go for meds. Even in enduros - if you need to change tyres, do so at the fuel stop.

With hards, unless it's very hot, you'll never get them properly up to temperature, and they won't have very much grip because of that.

On the Saleen, there's no chance of making softs last for 40 minutes. No chance at all. Mark, I can let you have my set up if you like.. I don't change ARBs from qualy to race, but perhaps that's just me.

I used soft fronts and med rears (Ferrari 550). I found that they stay in a good operating temparature for the whole 40 mins that way. Although you must avoid scrubbing them through too aggressive movement but that in turn helps keep the car smooth and fast.

Ordered my G25 wheel today which should be here tomorrow!! Woohooo :) Will probably take a whole lot of getting used to with the higher rotation it will allow me, but really looking forward to the precision for these cars and GTL too.

Shame there are no other companies other than Logitech that do a FF wheel, coz I really didnt want to give them my money again after my Momo breaking up within 8 months. I hope the build quality is better on the G25. Do you think I should turn down the effects a bit because I have a feeling it was the way GTR2 uses the motors that screwed it so quick.???

By the way is there no GTL Ladder race this Thursday?

For the enduro event i had meds front and rear and although they did ok you just loose time to the 550's and especially lambo's....pit really...lambos can do soft fronts np at all  :surrender:

With that in mind i loved driving the saleen at the Brno events and will drive it some more even tho it wont give me sniff at winnig...Ill try a diff car sometime but the 550 bores me to death and Lambo is even worse...not worried about 20% penalty anymore either.

For the Sprint event i was going to try soft fronts but i got disco at start...i do believe i wouldve been struggling tho 3/4 was through

Had a good close race with Jon  8)
Start went and first few laps I was more working on keeping Ruskus behind, then after I got heat in the tires I could start focusing ahead.
Noticed car seemed to have a slight edge on the strait over the Lambo, which in turn was faster in the fast corners
I managed to get by on lap 3 down to T2, thought I might try since I was so far up inside, didn't know if I could keep the lead but gotta try hehe
Gap stayed within 1s for over half the race, then increased abit in the end.

First hand experience in the 575 and feels nice, think I'll switch to it in the endurance, just can't seem to get attached to the Vette atm.

Had a look at the .AIW file and can't see anything obviously wrong with the grid or teleport locations for slot 25 or either of the slots either side of it. ???

Hi all do you remmember I was put in the trees at a fun race. I made a pigs ear of the race my set up made the poor car overheat so had to baby it all through the event . I thought simon would get me at the finish. I just had to drive at 3/4 power and stay in the highest gera I could if thats any help to others, thought it would blow up toward the end. cheers for now gerald

Oh yes, Magny Cours. Will, were you having any connection issues (warp, latency etc) during practice or qualifying?

Didn't someone appear in the granstands at Magny once? Boy that was funny, but not for the driver in question I'd imagine! :D

Yip, i remember as i was up front on teh grid...cant remember who exactly but the guy was stuck on the lower grandstands at magny. I also remember something being mentioned about it by Dave or Simon about a grid limit for that track maybe solving the issue.

Also, doesn't the trick work in GTR2 which it did in GTL where if u have trouble joining the grid to esc back to pits, select someone else's car (click their name) and re-join grid?