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Practice: 19:45 GMT (30 mins)
Qual 2: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30  (25 Laps)

Cars allowed: DTM92
Track: Sonoma (Sprint)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry

Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption:  Normal
Pit-stops: None required

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Hi all,
I'm a bit more invested in R3E recently and have just installed the OtterHud that appears to be quite an improvement to the driving experience (even including a gadget similar to the Helicorsa app in AC). Were you aware of this? I think it could have a bit of an impact on performance but it looks quite impressive.

The other area I'm looking to improve is the FFB settings. Particularly with the DTMs 92 my current settings are not good. The Merc being virtually undrivable. Do you have any advice on this? Thanks.

Finally, I attempted to do the Watkins race with the Mer but, if possible, I'd like to change to the Audi for the Sonoma race as it seems to be more drivable for me. Is there any issue with that? Considering my none first race, hopefully this will be feasible? 

Jos

You can drive any available car you want in any race Jos. There are no restrictions in these series.
Can't help with FFB, mine works well enough, and I am doing nothing special.

Thanks, Martin.
Perhaps you can tell me how much (%) of the force you have from the steering rack in the configuration settings. I think this is a parameter with a lot of influence on the overall feeling. Thanks.

Jos

Wow, those are some big pictures  ::)

There is a also a FFB multiplier in the car setup and a wheel rotation value. Both these also affect how the FFB feels.

Steering Rack should be 0% as per the devs. Also don't overdo it on the Slip Effect, if I had it higher than 5% I was getting a weird balloon-tyre sensation for the DTMs.

Thank you all. Very helpful.

I'll do some tests with your values.

All the best,
Jos

The only thing I know I change is the steering angle and lock. I don't think I have changed any of the FFB settings from default.

Never seen anyone mention that before

Don't give up on R3E Mike... yet. I think that by trying different settings you might get a better feel and car control...

Struggled for ages with ffb in Raceroom but seems better since I started using my new (to me) G25 instead of my old DFGT. Worth having a good read through this section and trying some settings as I get the feeling they differ wildly from wheel to wheel and have changed as game has been updated.

https://forum.sector3studios.com/index.php?forums/knowledge-base.129/

I've been trying the M3 around here and managed to get my ffb to the stage where I'm happy with it and can actually feel what's going on. Anyone set any race trim lap times yet?

Not that mine will be tough to beat.... but 2 laps in each and I get 1:20.3 in the Little Beemer, 1:19.8 in the Audi, and 1:19.4 in the Merc
The Audi is probably the easier to drive here. The Lill Beemer wants to go everywhere except where I want it to.  ::)

In which case, I'm still struggling. A couple of dozen laps in race trim and I'm at 1:23/1:24.....and Sonoma used to be one of my better tracks  ::)

Matt scratches head..... I will check, I could be mistaken  ::)

No, I am right. 2nd and last flying lap in the replay (there are only two) is a 1:19.2

Replay:
https://phspok1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/Race/2021-02-27+Sonoma+Raceway+Sprint_4.Vcr (https://phspok1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/Race/2021-02-27+Sonoma+Raceway+Sprint_4.Vcr)

Here are the setups, the one I was using I think was the short name "mercm1sonoma"
https://phspok1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/Race/SonomaSprintSetups.zip (https://phspok1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/Race/SonomaSprintSetups.zip)

Hmmmm, 4 or 5 seconds a lap tells me it's not the setup  ::) Cheers anyway, I'll have a look.

I can't believe you are 3-4 secs slower than me at a short track Tudor, or anywhere for that matter.

Just had a quick run with your beemer setup and car felt totally different  :thumbup1: I managed 1:18.370 after a couple of laps  :o

I had been using hard tyres which must have been where much of the time was so just hope I can make those softs last for 30 minutes.

Yes the hard tyres are much slower. I haven't turned any laps here yet, but at Watkins Glen the hard tyres were around 3s a lap slower than the softs. The softs should last a 30 minute race though.

thank you for letting me race hope i did not get in anyones way

No Worries Nij, you fitted in just fine  :thumbup1:

Enjoyed that, gained some places when some went off, then had a heap of fun trying to get past Toni
which became more and more difficult when the tyres started flashing orange  :o

Results were late because our system doesn't understand "Sonoma Sprint"

Respect to Birger for sticking with the Mustang  :notworthy:

Well that was different, discovered at about half distance I had insufficient fuel!  ??? ::) So I had to do a pit stop - first successful RRE race pit stop.  ;D

Welcome Nij, was great to have you race with us and hopefully you'll stick around for more racing. Was also great to see a good turnout. Well done Geoff, John and Jos  :clap:

Last night was a disaster for me - problems with everything from Steam to setup were topped off on lap 1 by an accidental upshift when hard on the throttle out of the right hander at the top of the hill sending me into the barrier. With my engine hanging by a thread I chased the pack but didn't have pace to begin with so it was a real struggle with a ruined engine, my only gains were by attrition more than anything else.

Great race yesterday with the DTMs.
Video here: https://youtu.be/ap5JoN7DT9c (https://youtu.be/ap5JoN7DT9c)
I eventually went for the Audi as the (non-)experience with the Merc at Watkins did not work well. Thanks all for the feedback on FFB settings, etc  :notworthy:. It has improved quite a lot although I believe I need still to tweak some of the SimSteering System settings. Perhaps to add more damping...
I managed to get a decent time in qualy for a P6 start and gained soon a couple of positions as Tudor Morris lost his car in early battles with Dieter(?) and I made the most of the early confusion to gain a position on the beemer as well  :). Passmore proved to be far more complex to deal with and, whilst I was gaining on him and had the pace to be in front, there was no obvious opportunity for the overtake...  :fencing: P4 was looking likely (if my fuel lasted the race which wasn't clear to me considering the info I was receiving from my new OtterHud app...) the end result as I had managed to open a gap with Dieter behind after a few good attempts on his side to regain the position.
Things improved when we saw a struggling Audi in front (Peter's) that must have had an accident as his rear was heavily damaged . The overtake, both for Dieter and I, wasn't easy as Peter was defending and, at times, back on the attack pretty effectively. Eventually, he had to back off (not sure if fuel was becoming an issue or just the damage...).
I tried to resume my attack on Passmore for P2 but he was keeping a very decent pace and my gains were minute.
All in all, a good race for me. Glad to see that I'm improving the feeling with these cars in RaceRoom and hoping to make further improvements in future races.
Congrats to Geoff for a perfect race weekend (qualy and errorless race) and Passmore for a solid P2.
I see that race distance is at the very limit for the soft tyres but hards are not an option... I suppose this adds a bit of strategy in terms of the pace to keep the softs longer in action but it kills a bit the action in the last part of the race, which is a bit deflating...
Thanks all for the racing and hope to keep improving on these cars in future races.
See you at Road America in three weeks.

What a mess up, ran out of fuel in the race and I still don't really understand how it happened. In practice the only change I made to the 'default' setup was to take a galleon or two of fuel out. During qualifying I changed some damper settings to try and tame the Audi's rollability, almost any curb I touched by more than 1mm rolled the car! The changes made it worse so I loaded the default setup, and guess what now rather than taking fuel out it appear I needed to add a chunk  :-\

That damage Jos was as a result of rolling the car in to the barriers at the 2nd the last corner  ::)

I have no knack at setting a car up for normal stuff, you know under or over steer. None of the setup guides give a clue as to what to do to stop a car from rolling. At least RRE crash physics didn't seem to kill the car so I could continue even though it can't be that easy to roll a car.

Well done everyone and great to see such a good turn out :)

P.S. Enjoyed watching bits of the video again Jos, sadly you and John were too far behind to catch my Russ Swift moment at the top of the hill, on 2 wheels almost to the braking point for the next corner  ;D

Typically softer fast dampers and stiffer anti-roll bars. The BMW was also hard to drive on the default setup, it was bouncing all over the place and losing rear grip going over the crests. I had to settle on a soft setup that was driveable but understeering a lot through the Esses. No real way to match the Audi pace from me. Too bad because when you nail your setup for this track, it's one of the most fun out there. At least you can outbrake anything in the BMW, so Matt had a tough time getting past. :P

Enjoyed chasing Jos and John in the first half of the race, but really that was a poor showing from me - completely asleep at the start, then moved over on GT just enough to cause him to have an accident, and then proceeded to make numerous small (and not so small) mistakes before finally rolling it at T1 and falling a long way behind. Not good enough.

Sorry to GT for ruining your race; congrats to Geoff, John and Jos. And welcome Nigel.

I didn't think the big Audi would be very competitive around here, thought the nimble BMW would be the car to have, but it turned out the Audi was ideal for the track. I did struggle with it wanting to oversteer through fast Esses section but a little less aggression on the throttle appeared to do more than any setup changes to control it.

Early part of the race was quite intense with Pete finding some better speed in his Audi than he had in qually. Looked like I might have a struggle to hold onto the lead until Pete did some amazing 2-wheel antics at the top of the hill & lost a few seconds. A few laps later he disappeared altogether leaving me well ahead of John & Jos. Approaching half distance I started to get concerned about my front tyres which were already showing yellow, so eased the pace a little & tried to not be so aggressive on the throttle & through the turns. John started catching me in the second half of the race but I was still able to keep the gap comfortable until the end.

Congrats to John & Jos on the podium.  :clap: :clap:

Hope Nij enjoyed his race & hope you will stick around.  :thumbup1:

I notice that Matt still includes a team element to these series & that only around half the drivers are part of a team. The Kerbies team are already well represented, but maybe some of the other teams could draft in some of the unattached drivers to make the teams championship a bit more interesting & team drivers could help one another out with setup tips etc.

No problem, just an unfortunate racing incident from my point of view. You moved to your left as I moved to my right on the approach to T2. I swerved to avoid contact which took me off track and as I tried to recover I lost the back end and speared into the barrier. Would have continued but my crumpled bonnet was blocking my view which is the last thing you need at Sonoma with its blind apexes.

Had a decent quali but never quite hooked up a totally together lap which was frustrating as the M3 felt great. Hope to join the fun again next time out.

Thanks for watching Pete, hope you enjoyed it. I have my own two wheels moment at 10:08 in the video... You have to be quick with your correcting actions to avoid the rolling becoming unmanageable.  ::)

bit of a baptism of fire for me...but thank you for the warm welcome
I have never driven a '92 DTM before and i have not been on Sonoma in that config either...yeah yeah racing driver excuses... i know  ::)
no i am very happy to hang around i love 'racing' even if it means on my own at the back... put it this way i can only get better... right?

Now i know the the format I will defo get some practice in for the FR90s at Silverstone and the Cupra E at Hockenheim the following Sunday

do i need to pay some subs for the server, admin etc....?

Jos until I watched that video I didn't realize you are the guy I have been watching on facebook admiring your foot work! Nice to race with you man!
Well that was a bit of fun, those Audi's are quick! straight off the the line Pete and Geoff were gone and I feel Jos would have been as well if he had got passed me. I had a real problem with Turn 4 if I went anywhere onto the curb the car would do a strange roll, where the car would go onto two wheels slightly and then continue to roll over someway further on. Something doesn't seem right with the game there, so had to stay well clear of that.
It was a bit tough to keep up with the Audi's plus I was trying to keep the tires intact for the second half of the race, I did notice that Jos front tires were constantly in the red!  :eek: and he was fighting the understeer in the video! but I managed to keep him behind which wasn't easy cool close racing with you.

Nice win Geoff you seem unstoppable at the moment and in another league!

Welcome to Nij hope you enjoyed racing with us old timers, well me anyway lol!   

cheers JP

I think we're all youngsters when compared with Bill! I'll be 60 next year.

That reminds me, I've just renewed the server rental...... You'll see a gauge thing, top right of each page Nij, that shows the current situation. If you click it it will give instructions on what to do.

The pleasure is mine John. I'm glad I've come across this community and find the racing here very friendly and competitive.
All the best,
Jos

what cockpit setup do you have there Jos?

You'll probably find certain car and track combinations suit you better relative to other drivers so you may climb and fall through the order depending on the event.

I tend to be stronger in a WTCR or GT4 car but inept in anything open wheeled, mid or rear engined. As a result I think I've gone wheel to wheel with everyone here despite all our differing abilities.

Finally, raw pace isn't everything - you may find that you improve your tyre management, car setup preferences, consistency and general race management over time and that may be enough to climb up the order.

Yes, I'm pretty sure Bill is the oldest, not sure who is next, I was 64 last month.