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Practice 1:	20:15	(10 mins)	full time drivers only
Practice 2:	20:25	(10 mins)	reserves may join too
Qual 2:	20:35	(20 mins)
Race:	21:00	(40 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any NGT from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.1 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27) except the 993 GT2 - see this thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2228.0).
Weather: Dry
Track: Zhuhai 2004 - you must install the finish line fix, which can be downloaded from this page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27)
Race Start Time 14:00

Server: UKGTR NGT Masters
Password: here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2311)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=35).
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Joining the server without the finish line fix may result in some of your laps not being recorded.
(5) Drivers should remember that they get only two free changes of car in each series.

Damn...will miss this one. Got a xmas bash on   :'(

I will miss it also.  :(

TT

I won't, but the way I'm driving lately it will be very much like I'm missing it ;)

I just wanted to see all our avatars lined up :D

hehe, you young scamp Pops  ;D.....pass the cinzano  ;)

Hell yea!  ;D

TT

This has gone far enough!!! ;D

Stop spamming this thread :P

Yeah, stop it! :angel:

About to update the Zhuhai fix notes in the light of discoveries made...

We win! 6-3  ;D

On a serious note, I tried to replicate the bug last night but was unable to do so ??? I haven't installed the fix yet...

In a Practice session, just drive out, do a normal lap; as you cross the line you'll see your lap count go from 1 to 2. On the next lap, duck into the pits and drive through as far to the right as you can. Your lap count will stay at 2. Now do another lap and cross the line normally; it will be 3.

Now install the fix and do it again. The lap count will go up as you cross the line in the pits and will end on 4.

Do i need to delete all the HAT files for the  tracks ie, National Barcalona and Barcalona GP?

Yes, delete the HATs for all the affected layouts (two Barcelonas and one Zhuhai). I can't see any real reason not to just delete the lot, TBH. :D

Maybe link to the original files, of people wanna go back to normal after this race, and forgot to backup :)

What original files? You just delete the .GMT file (or better still rename it) from each track directory, that's it. The GMT file overrides something in the .GTR archives for the track - it doesn't replace an existing file.

oh ;D

OK, so for those of us who dont know, and dont mess in the GTR folders to see what happens. Whats this hat file, and where is it?

It's in the UserData/<your name>/LOG/HAT directory and is generated or updated by the game whenever you drive a specific layout. I'm not sure exactly what it's used for but AFAIK you can lose them all without problems.

Was really looking forward to this, having enjoyed my debut at Spa. Unfortunately I'm away for the week so won't be able to race NGT. Looking forward to the endurance and GT sprint though.

Woo! I should definitely be making this one tonight after my recent race misses, I'm looking forward to competing again. TVR shouldn't be too badly suited to Zhuhai, but I've not played Zhuhai that much so we'll see.

Go Sharks!

Gutted to be missing this one tonight, i'll be getting xmas larapped instead in some seedy west end bar  ;D....oh well, someone has to do it  :)

Good luck tonight gents. Dont forget to tie some chrimbo decorations to your space ships  ;D.....or would that increase your drag co-efficients too much  ??? :P  :laugh:

Ive just hired 8 of Santas reindeer to pull my M3 around tonight.. just look out for Rudolf's red nose in your mirrors.

Unbelievable, get my darn internet fixed and the rsr's engine just gives up without warning, oh well, just about sums up my luck this season, lol.

Big apologies for whoever it was I hit as we went round that slow right hander, didn't expect you to slow down so much.

Grats to Ruskus for setting the 3rd quickest time in the world for an NGT at Zhuhai, especially when carrying 50kg of ballast, unbelievable.

Well thats me done till the new year, off to get some winter sun, see you all next year and a very merry Christmas everyone.

First things first - I used to like SimRacing.org.uk league for the fact that at formation lap drivers new how to behave and drove consistently. Now it's a mess like everywhere else. Sudden speed increases and drops, people spinning (hic!), crashing... Terrible! I hope League Overlords will finally do something about it - I don't like the idea of watching my back all the lap instead of warming my tires and brakes.


Qualified 19th - damn! I have to practice more... or (and I would prefere this version of truth) it's all caused by the shiny G25-s that you guys use for racing :) Anyway - I am quite pleased with my first ever visit to Zhuhai. Didn't have much time today to prepare a set and didn't find solution for sliding rear at last corner. I must have used too much wings as my F360GTC was snail slow at straights. Anyway - after some clean and fun race finished 16th.

Congratulations to the winners!

28CD Forever!

Boring race for me, started in 2nd and stayed there for all the race with gaps widening on both sides. Ruskus took it easy after some laps and the gap stayed at about 8sec right to the finishline.

Grats again Ruskus and nice drive in that TVR Jon. :-)


P.S. loc, i wasn't invisible, but 20 sec in front of you :-P

Had a great battle with Loc at the end and was pretty lucky to get past. I think his front tyres were worn a bit and I managed to get a run on him down the straight but he fought back but again on the next lap I just managed to sneak past. Great racing mate 8) Had some good racing at the start also with RS but his back end looked a bit slippy and in the spun. Nice racing all ;)
Grats Ruskus 8)

Qualification went very very well for me. A PB and a nice pole. Didn't even realise they time was up there Greg, I don't check GTR2rank anymore since using the weightpack, as I don't expect to be anywhere near.

Race went pretty well, I could do 1:34's the whole 70% of the race and could slooowly drive away from Martin, but I had no room for error, as the gap just never got any big. There were some scary moments with some backmarkers, but that's really nothing as it all went well and nothing on purpose.

Wondered what happened to you Greg. We were having a good scrap in the midfield along with zillions of other people. We were near each other after T1 and then you went off into gravel, thought we might have touched but I couldn't see as you were in blind spot. Have a good Christmas!!

No practice showed for me as I was almost learning the track again. Didn't really know where to brake or the proper lines. Not really raced much Zhuhai so I think I need some more practice. Was well off the Masters pace in qually starting from 17th on the grid. After some good scraps and people going off and on and off and battling with each other, somehow I ended up 9th, which from 17th is really pleasing and a great result for Team Shark Juniors with Aagramn finishing a fantastic 5th. I think I really chose the wrong tyres for the race, the mediums never seemed to get up to temperature and it felt pretty un-grippy. With only 10 out of 30 wear at the end surely Softs would have lasted.

Well done to Jeff, Martin and Jon on the win and podium, another great result for the Sharks with 2 in the top 3. Dunno how you drive that fast Jeff, incredible pace.

lol for some reason i thought this was gonna be a wet race  :( So much stuff going in my life these days and its showing in my racing :(

...Although had good fight with a few i think i should take a break...no point i drive if i have no time to setup car or practice. Dunno how you guys manage it really!?

Very good win tho Rus..i'll be back!!  ;)

lol Shark, that wasnt the incident I was on about.  ;)

Love the track, it has such a nice flow to it. Enjoyed great battles with Jan and Pedro for 80% of the race with regular position swaps but all nice and fair. A driver that had hit the gravel re-joined without looking in front of myself and Pedro though and the impact left me punctured :'(

I'd really love simracing to look again at the issue of points stretching further down the field. With the two league system, very successful I think, in place now the driving is TOUGH right the way through the field. All the better for it but drivers that don't find themselves regularly inside the top 10 are scratching around for little or, more usually, no points on a regular basis now. The driving itself is as enjoyable as ever but it would be better if the majority of the field could enjoy the battle for points and league position against their piers.

Replay (http://www.ukgtr.org/replay/Zhuhai%20-%20NGT%20Masters%20061212.zip) and Provisional Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=249) posted

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Zhuhai 12-12-2006 MAS/g_info.htm)

As always, send any incident reports in and I'll take a look at them.

The track suited the M3 a lot better than Valencia or Brno, no problems with tyre wear this time. Took the safe option of meds, but softs might have lasted. Qualified pretty well in 9th. Was struggling in the traffic early on, having to watch front and back really carefully. A few laps in I got a bit of space and suddenly found a lot more speed. Picked up some places as a few people went off or got tangled up, then passed Radius when he went wide at a hairpin. Was getting Vertigo (the condition, not the car) in 5th place, didn't expect to be up there. Had an excellent scrap with Radius, was fighting for tenths to stay ahead. Very clean racing, we were side-by-side in the hairpins a couple times but gave each other just enough room.

Great result for Team Shark (2 on the podium) and TSJ (2 in the top ten), with Simon fighting his way up from 17th on the grid.  :thumbup1: Dead chuffed with my 5th place, I'm not going to get many chances to finish that highly given the level of competition.

Think Valencia produced some good racing. Saw several people make mistakes getting on the power out of the slow corners, giving the car behind a chance to get a run on them.

Edit - thanks for the results & lapchart Picnic & Ruskus.  :)

We don't look at things if they aren't reported...

Unfortunately my hands are largely tied by the gradual shrinking of the field over the season. We already tried (in the Formula Armaroli races) a points system which gives everyone something but where the points at the winning end of the spectrum are determined by field size and that was even more unpopular. In the Academy we're already down to just 18 cars; by the end of the season everybody who turns up will score and that isn't really fair on those who, through no fault of their own, have to miss the last race or two.

Apologies for my non-attendance, my flippin' ASDL died on me an hour or so before the race, just after the tech support closes in fact  ::) >:(

It's working again now though so fingers crossed for the endurance race on Sunday :)

Congrats to the winners, looks like Ruskus even blew the rest of the aliens away  :o

Oh yes, @ mo...the little nudge at the hairpin that sent you 45 degrees was totally unintentional.....as i was turning right thru that slow 1st gear left hander...i couldn't see you at the apex although id admit you were a bit stationery there...eve though we both lost two places i did gentlemanly slow down to let you pass again and loose 6 seconds...so i atoned for my actions!

Yes Aargram...tx for fair racing there side by side for the best part of 10 laps. Like myself i knew i could count on you driving like a gentlemen  ;) Just wished i had more praccy and had more top speed...

Don't be a formalist Dave. Should I report 18 drivers in front of me?

That was me sorry about that.


Regarding the pace lap,  obviously who ever is on pole dictates the pace....if hes speeding up and braking then people behind will want to keep the gap close and this ends up happening all the way down the grid causing mayhem, Its a a tricky one to solve i think .

I drove a consistent 100kmh. Listen to my engine during the formation lap, you won't hear revs increasing, only decreasing as I was driving in 6th to save fuel. I hope there is a way to prove.

My formation lap lasted 2:52 on a 4,266 km track. That's an average of 89,29 km/h. With that in mind, while watching the replay, you won't see me brake anywhere on a straight or some sorts and you won't see my speed increase/decrease. Weaving and warming up the brakes is what is causing problems, and should be minimalized. If you do those things at the beginning of the lap, it's useless anyway, as it will be cooled down by the end of the lap, and you'll never reach optimum temps anyway, so better drive a nice first lap to get the tyres up and running.

You don't have to report individuals - just file a report that the pace lap was dangerous or poor from your point of view. It's no use expecting the moderators to take action if you can't be bothered to spend two minutes filling out a very simple form! :P

On the pace lap, I think the slow hairpins exaggerated the problem. If the car ahead gets on the power half a second earlier they can pull away very rapidly. I had to floor it two or three times to keep up. Most important thing is to get on the brakes early and gently once you start to catch the car ahead. If you brake hard you'll cause a bad concertina effect, and someone is likely to get rear-ended.

 ::) :helpsmilie:
Not this old debate again. :-\

Thoroughly enjoyed the racing last night, and the track is not so bad too :)  Many battles along the way especially with Greg and Dave. 

Started in 15th and managed to get up to 8th at one stage, But at one of the slow corners i got a tap from behind with left me facing the wrong way ???.  Lost 2 places and my rythm as Dave managed to catch and pass me aswell. It then took me a few laps to get my rythm back, but by that staged Dave had a comfortable gap.

Cheers Mark

Congrats to ruskus ;)

Blimey - tough race!
I thought I had seen all the tracks GTR2 had to offer (original ones at least) but I had never seen Zuhai before.
Only had time to log on about 7pm so first I was trying to get to know the track and find a setup.
Found a nice drivable setup online but to my horror during open practice after about 10 laps the engine just died with no warning!

The temps were OK, but I thought I better go back to my usual 360 setup. Found this to be totally nasty to drive and didn't want to start making it more like the other one as that would end in disaster - so I went back to that 1st one and just turned the revs down / increased cooling to be safe. It worked :-)

Started to get to know the track OK but just had no confidence on the brakes. This was my achilees heel throught the race. Last 10 laps were getting better but it was too late.

It was me Greg that spun in that right hander, but as I say above I really wasnt braking at the right points early on, so no problem! Sorry to Flybri as I moved into your path trying to correct myself. I thought everyone had already passed me. Doh!

From last position now I started to fight back but kept making 1 mstake every few laps and losing all the gap I had made up!! This happened about 4 times until others started making mistakes infrom and I took a few positions by default.

At least I know the track for the GT's now!

Grats Ruskus!

Wasn't pointing any fingers Jeff. ;)  There was obviously alot of people behind you braking and speeding up , think everyone just needs to chill out on the pace lap...icluding myself!

"Dave" will be me then.  :P :laugh: Was a good battle.

awh geese sorry Simon  ::) ;D

No biggy now baracus, wasnt too pleased at time tho.....  :P ;)

Started 20th, ended up all but last after being knocked off early on, but raced at a reasonable and consistant pace, and due to ppl spinning, engine failures etc got up to 13th until with 2.30mins approx to go when i got a 'low fuel' warning, i thought i had 2 laps to go so drove accordingly, but amazed to see i had 1 lap (after those 2 laps) with 0.9L of fuel left (clock had run down to zero at that point ???), had a 17sec lead over car behind and went into complete coasting mode, almost made it, Got as far as between 2nd last and last corner and conked out! Gutted.

Strange thing was, i didnt escape out straight away, wanted to see if cars behind passed, which they never did, and as far i was concerned i finished 13th but in the provisional results i am logged as 19th. Im sure i passed the RS guy's retired smoking car(who finished 18th) on the start of the lap (T1) i ran out of fuel. Anyone?

EDIT: Just checked Ruskus's lap chart and that has me down as 13th!

Relevant section in the rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7#classification)
Precedent (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1339.msg20774)

Thanks for bringing that up again Dave, my psychiatrist was telling me I was just beginning to recover...  :P

Yep appologies for the spin fella.  Just goes to show how one incident can have a knock on effect further down the field, if I hadnt spun you then you would not have had the incident with Bri.