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Season 38 – 1967 F1 PRIVATEERS – Round 6 – Tripoli

For the 6th round we are going to Libya. We visit the very fast circuit at Mellaha Lake, Tripoli. The track was a 13.140 kilometre (8.165 mi) long affair situated in a salt basin between Tripoli, Suq al Jum'ah and Tajura and around the Mellaha Air Base. The track's most distinctive landmark was a brilliant white concrete tower situated across from a large front stretch grandstand that could hold up to ten thousand people. Mellaha Lake was equipped with starting lights, an innovation, and the additional amenities rivalled the best that continental European circuits had to offer. Back in the late thirties this was the fastest track of the world.

Race list	= iGOR
Server	= UKGPL10_60fps
IP address	= 217.155.118.41
Date	= 21-03-2021
Password	= see above
GPL Mod	= 67F1
60fps Patch	= 60fpsV2newmod
Track download	= tripoli (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=616)
Damage	= INT
Qualifying starts	= between 20:45 and 21:00 UK time - until 21:30
Race starts	= ~ 21:30 UK time
Race length	= 16 laps
Replay	=  here (https://www.sendspace.com/file/cphver)

Please, excepting emergencies, no chat until Session Completed in qualification. No chat in the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Driver lists and division specific rules can be found on the Season 38 pages for details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1262&theme=6) regarding the rules and the 1967 F1 Privateers pages (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1292&theme=6) in particular.

The Intermediate damage model will be used.
Drivers are only allowed ONE reset followed by a "Stop and Go" in the pits within two laps.

This series is a joint championship with GPLBrasil so, please, read carefully these new and specific rules :

Drivers will have a FREE CHOICE of chassis however, a bonus of 50 championship points will awarded to each driver that uses all 7 chassis.

To qualify for bonus points, each chassis should be used at least once and no chassis can be used more than twice.

A bonus point will be awarded for pole position.

A bonus point will be awarded for the fastest lap.

Any driver who uses the same chassis more than twice will not be awarded any bonus points.

A driver must cross the start line in order to register the use of a chassis, participation in qualifying is not sufficient.

It is not necessary to use 7 different chassis for the first 7 races.
However at the end of the season, all 7 chassis must have been used to qualify for the bonus points.

Points will be allocated from 1st to 12th as follows: 20, 15, 12, 10, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
Drivers must complete 75% race distance to score.
All rounds count towards the driver's championship.

For each race, only the top two drivers from each team count towards team championship.
All rounds count towards team championship.

Drivers are reminded that Lap 1 incidents do carry an extra 1 place penalty.

Only reported incidents will be moderated.

Chassis used BEFORE this round:

*** Remember - don't use a chassis more than twice or you won't get the bonus points ***

*** To register for chassis usage you have to start the race. A DNS = not used the chassis ***

Driver	Once	Twice	Three+	Bonus
Albert Hallu	BRM Brabham Eagle	Cooper		Not yet
b_1_rd	BRM			Not yet
BadBlood				Not yet
Ben "Welling" Summers	BRM Honda Cooper Ferrari Eagle			Not yet
bernie	BRM Brabham Eagle	Cooper		Not yet
Billy Nobrakes	Ferrari Lotus			Not yet
covisi2016				Not yet
DuFossa	Lotus			Not yet
dave curtis	Honda Cooper Brabham Eagle Lotus			Not yet
David Sochenna	BRM Cooper Brabham Lotus			Not yet
Dulima	BRM Brabham Ferrari Eagle Lotus			Not yet
Eric Bilodeau	BRM Cooper Brabham Ferrari Eagle			Not yet
Fabio Locarno	Brabham Eagle	Ferrari		Not yet
John Woods	BRM Cooper Brabham	Ferrari		Not yet
leomenegucci	Cooper Brabham Ferrari			Not yet
PaulV	Honda Cooper Brabham Ferrari Eagle			Not yet
Pepe Higdon	Cooper Eagle Lotus			Not yet
Phil Thornton	BRM Honda Cooper Brabham Eagle			Not yet
philippe GIRARD	BRM Honda Cooper Lotus			Not yet
Rainier	BRM Cooper Brabham Ferrari Eagle			Not yet
Ricardo Valim da Silva	Brabham Ferrari Eagle	Lotus		Not yet

Hi All,

I shall be taking the BRM for this one. Along with the Honda and less so the Eagle these are the least driven of all the GPL 67 cars for me.

I wondered if I could get some help.. GPL states the BRM makes max power at 10,000 RPM.  My question is what would the safest Max RPM be in the race?

The car revs to 11K or more really easy.  would a max of 10,500 be OK. or will it run higher? I realise at all times higher revs can be dangerous so i do watch temps etc.

problem Im having is a cant reach a decent top speed without running the revs higher than 10K. If i use taller gears the car wont reach max speed and seems to die at 10k @ 195-6 MPH. if I let it rev over 10k with shorter gearing then it makes 198 MPH or so.

so while watching for safe temps etc.  So what kind of figures re the  BRM P115 have you Intepid BRM pilots seen as a maximum top speed and Revs at tracks like Tripoli or Spa.

Im getting to like the BRM. im trying to make a stable setup. but finding it a bit difficult to get the old girl to turn in without silly settings. love the sound and the 6 gears.

perhaps some setup and gearing ideas?? all information gladly recieved  

Hi Paul

I'm no BRM Guru by any means , but in my limited experience I think you need to reduce the number of clutches and the ramp angles , try say 3 or 4 clutches with a 60/45 diff .

Front /rear roll bar settings will have a large effect too , or rather the ratio between front to rear , try raising the rear to say 100lb ( I,m talking from the default set up here ) .

High engine temps doesn't seem to matter much ,but be careful with gear shifts and over revving , no speed shifting ! I often find other peoples setups just dont work for me though I do use them as a guide for gear ratios etc. most of the ones you can D/L are hot lappers anyway , not much use in race trim . 

Hope this load of cobblers helps in some way and good luck in the race .

P.S
Evil did a thread on setups somewhere , might be worth a read .

 

Hi Bernie.

Thanks for that mate.

Will give the diff and clutch settings a go. I also think upping the rear bar will help a lot.

Had some great advice from Clive so will try a combination of both settings.

Have been advised to take a look at Roberts recent BRM laps.

Blimey.... what am I up to.. all this prep and practice

Oh dear this is getting serious ????

Muhahahahahaha,  :shifty: and another poor innocent is sucked into the bottomless pool that is GPL. Say goodbye to your family while you still have the wits to speak coherently.  :devil: :scared:

GPL swings and roundabouts , what you lose in family time you gain in hemeroids   :whistling:

LOL Clive. I've been enjoying and racing GPL since I was in my late 30s. I'm 63 now. But I think I was already a bumbling , dribbling  incoherent wreck when I started..

So you can imagine what I'm like now.

Luckily Bernie, although GPL has undoubtedly taken its toll on my poor soul and body, I have still so far managed to elude the wrath of 'ol Farmer Giles.

Right then,

Thanks to the various help and advice I'm ready for tonight. Feel pretty much at home with the BRM now, After a fair bit of practice I've got a reasonable idea of my way around the place and the car is pretty decent. Got a fair setup and decent gearing.

I'm now able to better the 55 cars times around here now it's a shame that I'm in a 67 car otherwise I would be a force to be reckoned with!!.

Can't complain as over the last three evenings I've managed to lower my PB by 8secs, 4secs and 3 seconds respectively.

Sadly I've run out of time to challenge the formula 2 times

My plan as always is to have some fun and finish the race. Se you all tonight.

Paul.

P.s. thanks Clive & Bernie... I owe you guys a cold one !

Very frustrated. Last race leading I was disconnected. Today I didn't make any mistakes, I was just managing. I passed Phil and Philip doing an impeccable race, until on the last lap I miss him. .I don't consider myself guilty. But that can't. I had a straight line ahead. Difficult.

Phew what a crazy race. I couldn't get anywhere near Ricardo and Philippe in qually. So I knew I'd need to stay close and get a tow if I was to stay with them. I managed to keep close enough to keep Philippe in sight whilst swapping places with Ricardo. My car seemed a bit down on top speed (especially compared to Albert :o. I'll have to look at my setup). Anyway I had to push very hard to stay in touch and consequently I made a few mistakes which dropped me back. On the last lap I just managed to catch up to Ricardo (again!) and I was trying to work out how I would get past. Philippe was about 300m ahead so I thought we'd have no chance of making that up in 1 lap. However, Philippe made an unforced error at the first sharp right hander and we were on him. This set up a mad dash to the flag. Unfortunately Philippe and Ricardo had a shunt at the next difficult right hander. I managed to avoid the carnage but I ran wide and took a wheel off on the wall  ::) . I tried to limp home on 3 wheels but couldn't make it and had to Shift-R. I did a S&G before the finish line.

Another hectic race at this track after the outing in the 55s last week. It must have been an incredible track in the 1930s.

Congratulations to Albert on a well deserved win!!

It was a great race until the last half lap Ricardo. I'll raise an incident report and the moderator can have a look at it. All three of us were racing on the limit, it would have been amazing to have a 3 car sprint to the line. I'm sure Philippe is disappointed too, he drove an impeccable race until he ran wide at the first right hander on the last lap. It is very hard to maintain concentration when leading for the whole race.

Dissapointing race for me , decided 2nd gear was too low for the first right hander and was losing time there , so decided to go up a notch for the race , big mistake , maybe I selected  2 cogs by mistake , who knows ?

then when the race starts I have no OS display , no indication of gears, speed, tyre temps, fuel etc etc . I then make a pigs ear of T1 with the stupid 2nd gear and drop 1/2 a lap down on the field . my speed in the slower corners was compromised with the gearing and unable to make up ground . On the bright side I learned a lot about the Beast of Bourn or rather what not to do before a race  ::)

Sorry to see Paul spectating from the hilltops ,  hope you enjoyed the view  . I was hoping to catch up and have someone to race ;D   

Rather annoying. I put in a qualifying which would have been P3 on the grid but the race stewards chose to ignore this and - to add insult to injury - start my car at the back of the grid.
This track is made for the Eagle & I was able to climb as far as 7th place by edging ahead of Leo. Just as things were starting to improve I missed the braking point at the first right hander & run wide. Leo, Dulima & John pinched their places back and there just wasn't enough laps to get back on their tails.

I've been to this track before & not a fan (athough it looks nice of course).

Similarly, I've avoided the BRM (or any other car with 6 gears) as much as possible, so seemed a good opportunity to cross that off at a disposible race.
First target was to get over the start line;  2nd target was 75% distance.

Mission accomplished!

However, from some practice over the weekend, I seemed to be bonding with the car & the extra gear.
Additionally, the track did start to flow after a while. I found taking it easy/not crashing is a lot quicker.

I was somewhat surprised to not be starting from the back row.  I found muself in a flock of Eagles which I'd not be able to do anything about,  but tried to keep some kind of contact as long as possible.

Albert must have had rocket fuel in his tanks!  I passed him when he was up on top of the banking (although that then distracted me & I ended up driving up the opposite bank as in my mind could see him falling onto the track).  That let Eric pass me sooner than he was going to otherwise, but Albert was somehow right behind then in front of me & Eric too.

The rest of the event was spent trying to edge closer to Eric in case he had a mishap.  I seemed able to close a fraction round some of the right-handers, but he was then away on the next straight.

My fastest lap was lap16 which made it all tantalisingly close at the end,  but realistically there would have been no way past.

Anyway, still glad it's over.
Although a few more laps would have been ok,  the same again for a 90min event would be another matter!

Cheers all; congrats up front.
Dave.

I am really disappointed.
The whole race I was very motivated, I didn't make any mistakes.
But on the last lap, on the corner described by Phil, I was slightly distracted by a lapped driver.
I went out slightly, and Ricardo passed me. I came back strong, and a terrible fight started, because I wanted to get my first place back. We hung on, it was bound to happen.
In Ricardo's place, I would have resisted too. I don't think it's anyone's fault, I think it's a battle for first place.
ricardo and phil had a great race too. All 3 of us deserved the win
I'm really sorry for this miserable end.
 I'm really disappointed
 :-\ :-[
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