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Practice 1:	20:02	(13 mins)	full time drivers only
Practice 2:	20:15	(15 mins)	reserves may join too
Qual 2:	20:30	(30 mins)
Race:	21:00	(80 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT or NGT from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.1 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27) (see this thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2228.0)) except the Porsche 993 GT2.
Weather: to be decided just before the race based on real-world weather according to the Endurance rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=42).
Track: Zhuhai 2004 - you must install the finish line fix, which can be downloaded from this page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27)
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: All drivers must make a minimum of one pit stop. This must involve entering the pit lane at the speed limit, and coming to a complete standstill in the designated pit box. Tyres do not have to be changed and no fuel has to be added. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Endurance Academy
Password: here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2325)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=39).
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Joining the server without the finish line fix may result in some of your laps not being recorded.
(5) Drivers should remember that they get only two free changes of car in each series.

looking forward to this one! ;D

I may try and get a reserve spot for this if I remember, I could use a chane to try and learn it a bit better  :smartass:

 Thank's to the yellow Salen that put me out in the first lap :thumbup2: that's the spirit
 I don't anderstand way some people try to win a 80 minutes race in the first lap... I really don't  :nono:  :gun_bandana:

 Cheers

STUPID F*****G CONNECTION.  :cursing: :censored: :gun_bandana: :hammer: :thumbdown: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored:

Really bloody annoyed about this now.  Got major fps coming up to the pit entrance on lap 4 - couldn't see what was happening until I was halfway down the pit lane entrance.  Time for an unscheduled stop then I thought ..... 7.3 secs (they didn't put any fuel in - which would probably mean me coming back for a 2nd stop).  Pretty lonely after that, got slowed down by the GT's as they came through, still getting the odd major fps hit (despite taking the detail etc down) and no doubt scared the crap out of a couple of them round the bends as I was jumping all over the place (sorry about that - I'm going to do some major investigation of what the hell is going on with my PC - don't think the FPS is connection related).  Carried on making time up to the back of the field, the GT's were starting to make their pit stops, and the leaders were coming round to lap me again when my connection was dropped.

Was driving pretty well, just had to hope my fuel load could last the distance as it's a reasonably short circuit and the leaders would have lapped the NGT's a number of times (still dubious about lasting the distance without another stop, 100 L in the M3 was meant to last 1:05 ...), but my race was already ruined by fps issues before the connection dissapeared.

That's well and truly spoilt my (and the Legends) championship aspirations....Not happy at all.

Hmm - couldn't get onto the lobby again tonight - anyone else have any similar problems?

Anyone who thinks they lost a lap because of the finish line bug (even with the fix installed), file an incident report as normal - preferably with an indication of which lap you lost, which hopefully we can identify from the lap chart - and we'll look into it and give any missing laps back.

I do hope you'll file a report...

Wow. I don't know where to begin.

We decided for the Saleen only a couple of days ago,and that was probably not a good idea.  :-\  I like the way it drives and sounds,but didn't know all the quirks it had until today.

I'm very sorry for driving like an a** :( 

I can't even begin to count how many NGTs I passed only to out-brake myself . Almost hitting some of them. At the end I got what I deserved after yet again out-braking myself I got bumped in the rear and spun 'round. Lost my 6th place there.

Found out in the end that it was my brakes overheating . Didn't have time to study my gtr pd before the end. Wish I'd known before.

Ossie: sorry for smashing into you, I thought you were going to stay still until we had passed, I kinda panicked and hit you in the back  :-\
 

But I must say this:  The Saleen with the V8 sound pack installed . w00000t    :thumbup2: :clap: :rockon:

I found the car I wanna drive now. My god, it's so damn addictive to hear that V8 rumble and scream. Bass on the subwoofer set to max and crank the volume up..YEAH  :rockon:   

My heart is still pumping from all the adrenaline  :w00t:

Replay (http://www.ukgtr.org/replay/Zhuhai%20-%20Endurance%20Academy%20061217.zip) is available.

Could Thomas M Mogensen please make your forum name known or I'll have to import you as a guest.

Pretty good race for me; Picnic effectively let me by at the start after trying to start in the wrong gear; after that it was a matter of trying to stay in touch with the 911s ahead and out of the way of the GT boys of whom there seemed to be an awful lot! Managed to peg the gap back to Picnic at about 2-3 seconds until we started getting lapped; my softs were holding up well and I pitted at half distance for more, passing a few in the process but not gaining enough time to make any real impression on Luke Mustoo ahead, who I could almost match on pace but never stood any real chance of catching.

Darren gave me a real hard time for a few laps, getting alongside at one point but I wasn't having any of that. Ossie made a nuisance of himself in the Lambo, passing me then going off and then repeating until eventually I think he gave up in disgust. :P

Second in class (again!) is a really good result for my championship aspirations although I can't help but wonder if I'd have been so lucky without Adam's problems... ???

This was a funny old race for me, filled the tank to the brim hoping to pass a few in the pit stops.
But was knocked off the track by a few GT's trying to pass through the corner's, trouble was my 911 was in the way! please pass on the straight you guys GT's have a lot more power than us NGT's ???

Had a little tangle with Picnic toward the end of the race, which ended up in a big crash and my car going up in flames  :D
No worries though I was just about to run out of the old jungle juice anyway.

Cheers for hosting and congrats to Luke & Locutos for the win

His forum name is Zeus Zore

had to take avoiding action due to an ngt giving me room to pass then closing me down and ended up in in to a barrier, car needed work and an unscheduled stop took me to the back end of the grid.  Worked hard to get back to seventh and lost it on a bend, looked behind let a few cars pass got on to the track and fishtailed for a bit and saw the car in eighth approaching at speed and eased off to let him passed but he hit me square on in the rear.  Pushed hard  to gain time as I needed to pit again for fuel. Due to me needing to pit again and the gt in eighth was approaching me rapidly flashed and let him by.  Pitted again for fuel, damn car took an age to start. Lost loads of places again and ended up in the middle of ngt's.  Some gave me plenty of room others none, went wide on a corner and ended in the gravel and for some strange reason no damage but my wheel was 90 degrees out which caused me a few problems and started losing places to ngt's again.  Count down timer got to zero and finished my lap chequered flag appeared and i pulled off the track and hit escape. s**t DNF? What was that all about?

i guess that was me im sorry, i sucked and the setup was way off.. but drive a little faster :)
i im all ways trying to win but this time i was tryin to pass.. and you got in the way.. i did not mean to hit you..

I Think I lost my last lap, i finished 45 secs behind Picnic but the game said i did one less lap than him while not being a lap down. Strange

Thanks, Provisional Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=285) are now available

Something's up there....I finished third even with my dnf for fuel - ran out as I crossed the line but as everyopne behind me was a lap down I showed as third....

I think I'm cursed in the endurance races. Had a good battle at the start with Nug, then managed to pull out a little gap but couldn't close on Loco. Then the pit stop messed up - I was in the very last pit box and I overshot by about a metre, then I reversed to the sight of my pit crew picking up my tyres and walking back into the garage. Turns out the pit exit is DIRECTLY after the last pit box - like completely directly. If you overshoot by even a little bit, it's classed as leaving the pits and you have to go out and do another lap! Be Warned future people of the last pit-box  :o

Barely had any fuel left and cruised round on fumes, pitted again, then drove my nuts off. Managed to get the gap down to Mojo to about 9 seconds, then spun....then realised I didn't have enough fuel again and started coasting. Saw the time was up and thought I'd made it, crossed the line with no fuel....and there was another lap to go. Then at the end realised everyone after 1st and 2nd had been lapped anyway, so apparently got third....
...pending investigation.

Good win Loco, v-fast at the start. Sort the parade lap out though....you stuck your limiter on about 100 metres before the start/finish line on the straight...that's too late for the guys at the back mate.


 

Did you cross the line after the chequered flag was shown? Or did it appear just after you crossed the line? For the race to be over, the clock must be at zero, and the leader must have crossed the line. You have to keep racing until both happen and you also cross the line.

That did seem to happen a bit late, although there was just about time to form up at the back. I think Reign Man left a huge gap behind me though which wasn't really fair on the folks behind him. :-\

See this post (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2457.msg40243#msg40243). To misquote, to finish third, first you must finish.

Given the lap times there's a 50% chance that the leader had lapped you but not Picnic, in which case the results would be correct - you could finish having done a lap less than Picnic despite not having been lapped by him.

So in other words, even though I was the third person to cross the finish line, I'm classified 6th because a DNF messes the system up.

If anyone fancies punting me off next race, be my guest. Everything else has happened.

hard race,came across ngt sooner than expected ,who for the most part drove well ,clipped a kerb overtaking and span it,so decided to pit early went in and out ,i lost a lap and then the fuel didnt fill to what i asked forcing a second pit :-(,kept pressing to finish ,but a lost cause with lost laps,congrats to both winners.

Sounds like a good race was had, I enjoyed the laps I had in the 4 car nGT train that Dave led for the first 7 (8?) laps or so. Sadly I had someone banging urgently at my front door and had to deal with them  :-\

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Zhuhah 17-12-2006 ACA/g_info.htm)

Guys,

A very enjoyable race but a respectfull request to the GT guys ( as someone else has mentioned it also! )
I believe the spirit of this event is 2 races in 1 ! One GT and 1 NGT!
I had some fantastic racing at the back of the field in my NGT. I was right on the bumper of another NGT, ( Havn't checked the replay to see who exactly! )
for lap after lap after lap. Very enjoyable! but having the GT guys come through lost me loads of time!
As an NGT driver I will make every effort to give you guys room ( which I believe I did! ) but this has to be reciprocated!
I had a number of minor incidents ( none of which I am going to report ) which were too close for comfort and could easily have seen me off!

Having said that an excellent race and the general standard of racing was good!

( You see the older you get the more of a grumpy old *** !! you become!! )

Thanks all, look forward to the next one!!

M.

Yep. If GTR2/GTL would record laps and positions accurately (like rFactor does) we wouldn't have the problem, but it doesn't, so occaisionally we have to make some hard decisions to avoid turning the whole thing into a big, time consuming, error-prone manual process. :(

ps. You weren't the third person to cross the finish line. You never took the chequered flag. That's the problem.

Enzo, as I asked in chat: did you lose a lap to the finish line bug despite having the fix installed? Or did you just lose a lap because the leader passed whilst you were in the pits?

After initial dissapointment with my Qual time, couldn't get anywhere near my PB. I was pleased to move up to 9th fairly soon.
Had a couple of metal to metal incidents, having watched the replay my consiouns (god i just cant spell that word) is clear. On the first I passed Jamera on the outside, he flicked over and hit me and spun himself off.
The second a yellow Saleen took me out, I lost a few seconds but no places, so not to worried although my pursuit was effectively over for the time.
I did cause a bit of carnage at one point (for which I humbly apologise) Came up behind some NGT's for a left hander travelling too fast, locked the brakes and side slided into all five of them. Clipped the rear of one and he spun, fortunately the rest stayed on.
Once again to whoever spun, sorry about that, it was my one black mark on a otherwise enjoyable race.

I did have a great battle on a couple of occasions with CE seeing some very close bumper to bumper racing and eventually got ahead of him when he made a mistake.
Quite oddly (I thought) towards the end I kept getting blue flags even though there was nobody behind me, quite offputting.
Then I got the chequer and couldn't decide whether I had finished or not, I slowed down thinking I had but CE was coming up on me fast, so I figured I had better keep ahead of him. On the last lap there was a car on fire, I dodged round this, CE did the same but immediately after there was another smash and I touched the brakes CE clipped me and spun off. I crossed the line and finally did finish for real. Happy with 6th, although it seems I got 5th in the results?

This was a known problem with GTR 1 which no one could be bothered to fix for GTR2  :-\ I got one before the end of the warmup lap and then another before the 1st corner on the first flying lap. Well I know the GT boys are quick but ...................  :o

hi dave ,the whole things a mess lol i got the pit bug on lap 15,if you look on graph it shows 4min plus stop,this combined with the second stop for fuel _{because the first stop didnt fill to reqd amount}im not sure about the fuel thing?is there a tweak for the plr to stop this? looking at the 2nd stop im guessing i lost around 2minutes on the 1st stop because of the bug,tbh stuff happens thats why i carried on to try to pick up points,so if its a problem ,just go as it is.

just a quickie about the gt/ngt gripes,dont forget its a bad track because its all stop and start,but some ngt just were just not looking and just saying only pass on straights is a bit much at zu ,when 3 of the straights meant you were having to pass near the braking zone and on the short straights some of the ngt cars were not giving way causing problems for the gt's with longer braking distance than the ngt's,i dont expect you to move but it would'nt hurt you to back of throttle a fraction to allow the pass clean and usually you will get the time back in the draft,the things i use when running in enduro's are mirror you should be able to see what it is ,timer showing position times nearest to fore and aft,and name tags on always,i always hold my line on straights and corners and just back of a little if being passed,that being said i have to say the ngt's have been good at all the circuits this season so hopefully its just zu that had probs.

A race to try to forget for me.
I was well off the pace, but things were going ok till the midway pit stops. Managed to nurf it into the wall on my in-lap.
Stopped in the pits, repaired damaged, changed tyres but it added no fuel!
I had started with 60 mins fuel so I was able to do a few more laps before having to re-pit.
Came in, set the fuel manually to add 30 litres, thinking this would add it to the remaining 12 litres I had on board! Didn't realise that it calculated the 30 litres to be the total amount on board, not just how much it would add? (well thats what it did)

Tried then to drive conservatively and see if I could make it to the end without having to stop again (you may have wondered what I was trying to do :-[ ) But no I had to pit in with 2 laps left :laugh: No one but myself to blame for the shambles. Well done to the podium boys.

ps. sorry to the yellow Saleen driver who overtook me towards the end then went and screwed up at the corner and had me nudge him round.

I did the same thing.  Came in on an impromptu pit stop after finding myself half way into the pits after the fps problems, changed the fuel to however much it was I had room for (10/12 litres I think) - not realising it was stating the total amount that would be in the tank after the pit-stop.  Bloody silly way of doing it if you ask me.  I would have needed another stop late in the race, but I never had a chance for that as my connection was dropped.  Can't remember the last time that happened, previous problems with the connection just had me driving round the circuit by myself after all the other cars dissapeared, rather than being unceremoniously dumped back to the lobby.

There are two different ways to specifiy the fuel during the stops (and in the setup screens) controlled by a flag in the .PLR file. Practise makes perfect though and I spent some two hours testing all the permutations at the start of the season to make sure I never got caught out.

Yes, we had some good racing there Steve  ;D

Unfortunately I had brake temp problems so I kept out-braking myself in the same turn when I got to eager to pass people  :-\

I also had a lot of blue flags when there was nobody behind me  ???

That's me  :)

It's OK Don, I made a mess of myself in that corner a lot of times. According to gtr pd my brakes were around 200 degress too hot when braking there. I had a lot of brake duct,but apparently not enough  :-\

I agree with this. Most of the NGTs were easy to pass. But some people were just not giving me any chance to get pass  :-[

It's a very difficult circuit to overtake NGTs on. In many of the corners they were going almost as fast as the GTs ,so it ended up in some very messy situations trying to get by.

On a side note: I prefer people to just slightly back off throttle,but stay in the race line and then I'll find my way around. It get very unpredictable of people start moving over or braking very early and so on.

Zhuhai is a bit tricky, like Donington. I was stuck into a proper fight for time and position and couldn't afford to be giving up much just to let GTs past; mostly I was trying to stay offline for the corners after fast kinks and brake slightly early for the following slow corner to help the GTs past, but even though it's the Academy I was a bit shocked by how many cars just had no idea where to brake when there was anyone near them and fell off again. If I'd let somebody by once and they'd gone off I was generally less charitable to them when they presented themselves behind me for a second (or in some cases third or fourth, in as many laps) time.

Even at Zhuhai there were plenty of straights where the GTs could power past the slower class cars - getting the timing right is something those unfamiliar with multiclass racing will take time to learn.

Bah...at least the lap chart knows where I finished.

Sorry if i sound all grumpy - thanks for all the hard work you lot put in for this to happen.

Also - BIG thanks to Picnic, he practically jumped out of the way when I picked the wrong way to pass him. Us GT's don't make it easy for NGT's most of the time, so thanks all you NGT's.
I vote for them to stick to the racing line, moving out of the way sometimes causes more problems for everyone, at least sticking to the racing line makes it easy to predict where they will go.

I have to say, seeing GT's overtake and go straight on at the next corner very amusing!!!  ;)

I have no idea what you're babbling about Martin  :P

I've checked and the leader was indeed between the two of you. Enzo Trede on the other hand did lose a lap (as did Madd RIPP in the Masters) - both cross the finish line to the right of the main pit road (having pits near the end of the garages), therefore I suspect that neither had the fix correctly installed. Both results have now been corrected, though neither actually changes the results within their classes.

Not too bad race for me last night,had a few incidents as always ::)
Qualied 1st by virtually nothing and was able to pull out a small lead at the start.Got hit up the rear again in this  race and went from 1st down to 4th,was able to get back up to 3rd thanks to Chunky letting me through(cheers mate  8) ) and due to 1st and 2nd battling with each other and trying to get out the way of the GTs was able to get 1st back after having hit Darren up the rear when I didnt find the space to get past him under braking.
When I pitted there were 2 Lambos in the pits doing about 0.5mph so I decided to go up the inside of them,not knowing what there were up to.Came back out of the pits and with about 35mins left in 1st and Gizmo 2-3 secs behind temp. light was flashing on and off when the revs hit the red lines so I had to start short-shifting.Was able to keep in front of Gizmo and keep the engine from blowing up  8)
Glad to get the win and congrats to Loc!
p.s.Got hit up behind by a GT coming out of the sharp left hander that had absolutley missed his braking point  :o and caused abit of havoc  :-X .GT guys have to remember we also fight for top positions and any seconds we lose are vital.

well..practice went well 5/6 most of it  :o
qualifyin went just as well finishin with me in 5.got to the race and drove like a spanner! ::)
started well for the first 5 laps keepin in contact  with the cars infront then slid catch but  lost time and enzo got passed.ok breath calmed down and got a rythm back, started to get some time back and after a few laps taking time...spin >:( grr
after that  just seemed to get worse!
sorry if i got in anyones way
dave i am  :-[
congratulations to the winners
thankyou to the hosts

No worries, you weren't the only one and by no means the worst. ::) :laugh:

Hi I was going very conservitive in first half and then go for it in second.Was to conservative on set up then came in and forgot to let pit crew know so could not find fuel had to go round again a re pit. Had a most spectacular blow up crossing the finish line so good job I WAS LAPPED A LOTor I would not have finished. cheers gerald

bit like the anderstorp bug last season ,bit late after the event ???

Hardly the same thing! Unless you knew about the pit lane "bug" you wouldn't know there was anything to test - you can hardly claim you didn't know you'd need a pitstop! :P

or ive been lucky and never had to pit early,which is the case,now i know there is a prob i will find a work around.