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RACE 2

For this years Joe Shaw Trophy races there is something different.

We will be using the Monza track in the Normal direction and there is a free choice of car. But you will be racing against the other drivers AND yourself.

PLEASE READ BELOW AND BE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WILL WORK.

Race list	=	iGOR
Server	=	UKGPL10
IP address	=	217.155.118.41
Password	=	see above (#post_event_password)
GPL Mod	=	65
Damage model	=	Intermediate
60fps Patch	=	60fpsV2newmod
Track download	=	link (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=13537)
Track directory	=	Monza67
Qualifying starts	=	21:40 UK time - 8 minutes
Race starts	=	~ 21:50 UK time
Race length	=	25 laps
Replay	=	here (https://www.sendspace.com/file/lavh29)

PLEASE READ THESE RULES CAREFULLY AND ASK IF YOU ARE NOT SURE.

QUALIFYING IS ONE LAP ONLY. 8 minutes of qualifying, one out lap followed by a single timed qualifying lap. If you make a mistake on your qualifying lap that is tough  ;D Everyone will be watching from the pits, so no point in trying to sneak a second lap in. Anyone who posts more than a single qualifying lap will get a 30 second time penalty added to their race time.

Everyone has a free choice of car and unlimited S/Rs, with no requirement for any SnG.

Each driver will have a target time in which to complete the race, this will be calculated using their previous Monza PB x 25. In a perfect world each driver will do 25 laps equal to their previous PB ......but that won't happen  ;).  
At the end of the race there will be a winner "on track" who takes the chequered flag first, but the points will be awarded to the driver who is closest to his target time. So you are racing against your best ever performance for the points.

This gives every driver, regardless of their speed, a chance to claim the glory.

Only one lap but the first,starting from the pit,does not count as valid?If someone start before the start line the time go.

Your outlap from the pit where you get your car up to racing speed does not count.

The first full speed lap is the time that will count.

We will adjust the pit stalls so nobody gets 2 laps.

It would help with the admin if all drivers intending to take part in these races post here, then we can start calculating each person's target race time.

 In previous years we have been very close to requiring 2 servers, so numbers are good to know  ;)

i plan to start :)

Wouldn't mind a crack at this , aznoM sounds interesting to say the least  ;D 

Do we drive backwards ??? 

You will drive reverse in reverse gear, so everything looks familar :)

I plan to race.

Paul.

Count me in, please

I plan to race only the normal, not the reverse.

What if there is no PB?

I haven't reced with the 65 car at Monza and with you guys yet.

Count me in, too!

If you've got one in GPL Rank we could use that. Alternatively we use use the PB of a UKGPL driver with a similar pace. The default for the Works drivers who don't have a PB is to use the World Record time.

I am IN ;)

Count me in.

Ditto.  Remembering Joe... 

Please put me on the list.

Come on you ams/privs drivers!

I'm in too  ;)

Will probably join but for the forward direction races only (if that's OK).

Clive - as you are using PB's as a benchmark then I think Monza Papyrus would be more accurate than Monza67, I found the 67 version is about 1s slower in the 67 mod.

Count me in.

I don't have a GPLRank but you've seen my pace with the BT11 in the current season, so if you set me with the target of one of the leader privateers its cool.

Count me in!

A fair point Billy and, having thought about it, I think we can leave it as Monza67. Any small time difference will be the same for everyone and I do not anticipate anybody matching their target time as that would mean 25 laps of PB performance!!  :o. If anyone does achieve that phenomenal feat then they deserve the victory  :-\ Plus of course they will have to take a drug test and have their car stripped down to the last nut and bolt by the scrutineers  ;D

Count me in!

Currently we have 16 drivers intending to drive in the 2021 JSMT................3 more and we will need a second server.

But, with the target time handicap we can collate the results across 2 servers  ;D

I think we are up to 19 drivers now. Drivers need to declare which car they are using and the PB for that car.

*** Table updated with drivers choices so far ***

Position	Driver	Chassis	Points	Target Lap	Time	Laps	Actual Race	Time	Delta
				Minutes	Seconds		Minutes	Seconds	Seconds
1	EvilClive	Brabham BT7	50	1	37.989	25
2	Pete Bennett		43			25
3	Phil Thornton	Lotus	37	1	37.6	25
4	dave curtis	Lotus	32	1	39.2	25
5	PaulV	Lotus	28	1	39.5	25
6	bernie	Brabham BT11	25	1	38.254	25
7	AnGex	Lotus	23	1	36.457	25
8	il_lupo_mannaro	Ferrari	21	1	37.557	25
9	francesco	Ferrari	19	1	39.46	25
10	bagrupp		17			25
11	MikeB	Ferrari	15	1	36.83	25
12	leomenegucci	Brabham BT11	13	1	37.63	25
13	Raoni Frizzo	Ferrari	11	1	36.15	25
14	MagicArsouille		9			25
15	Doni Yourth	Honda	7	1	37.82	25
16	Billy Nobrakes		5			25
17	fpolicardi	Brabham BT11	3	1	36.97	25
18	BaaB	BRM	2	1	36.496	25
19	ArfArfArf	Lotus	1	1	37.376	25

Phil

I'll take the Ferrari please, my GPL Rank time on the Papy track was 1.36.83, set many moons ago when I could drive :)

Ferrari 1:37.557 from January 2010!! :o
My actual pace would be 1:40.XXX  :-\

Lotus please.
GPLRank reckons PB: 1:40.683 for Monza67

Lotus 1:36.457

If anybody has lost their PBs (i.e. reinstalled GPL and lost their times) the UKGPL lap times are in the old race results. See these:
Season 28 Pro (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13126#event4465)
Season 28 Am (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13120#event4456)
Season 26 Pro (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=12232#event3977)
Season 20 Ams (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9067#event2366)
Season 18 Ams (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7398#event1875)
Season 17 Ams (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6522#event1687)
Season 16 Ams (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5792#event1573)
Season 16 Novice (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5821#event1667)

If you have a faster PB for the car of your choice please post it here so we can use it in the handicap calculation.

I've lost my PBs so I'm going with my Lotus qually time of 1:37.6 from Season 20. I hope I can get near that pace this time  :o

It must be a while since you uploaded to GPL Rank Dave. You've got a slightly quicker time from Season 28 Am. So I've used that  :detective:

Good luck in matching your old form Mike. You posted a 1:37.434 in a Cooper back in Season 17 (July 2009), that was quick  8)  Your Ferrari time might have been set around the same time?

Ferrari for me, please :)
My PB (Papy track) is 1:36,15 from 2013. I'm quite sure it has some heavy slipstream effect. But a natural race at Monza is affected by constant slipstream

In the "new" Monza, my Ferrari PB is 1:37,17. But I haven't driven it so much with the Italian machinery yet

Ferrari  1.39.46

I will join too BRM 1:36.496 (how was that possible?)

Thought we'd be in 67s to remember Joe....

See yas later,

Bob

Leo

I've used my PB time in the Lotus as a benchmark for you as we are a very similar pace. The target time has been adjusted to account for you taking the Brabham which is a fraction slower than the Lotus. If you want to take a different car from the BT11 that you normally use, just post something here to let us know and we'll adjust the target time accordingly.

Looks like mine is 1:38.254 in the BT11

I plan to join but haven't set things up yet, I'll post later when I get home re car/time

I'll slide my fanny into the Honda for this.  My personal records indicate a best lap...solo in offline practice...as a 1m37.82s effort.

Yeah, I'm going 1.2 secs slower on this layout than the Papy one, 1.37.8 seems to be may mark on Monza 67

I still don't understand if the first lap, starting from the pit, is the qualification lap or is possible a second.

The out lap from the pit stalls is not the qualifying lap. When you cross the start line the timed lap begins.

Thank you Phil.

I cannot find any records for my PB's as I have created a clean install for GPL about 18 months ago. I was hoping to use the BT11, but the only time that I can find is a 1:37.989 for the BT7.  It should be interesting at the back of the field  ::)

I would like to take the Lotus.

Not sure of my PB either. But will try to find out before race.

If you find a PB let us know Paul. Otherwise a 1:39.5 would be a fair target time IMO. Similar to Dave Curtis and Francesco.

It might be a shrewd choice of chassis Clive, if you can hang onto the freight train ;)

If you join the race server for a test, you will find we have moved the pit stalls so they are all in front of the start line so the out lap will not register as a timed lap.

OK for me Phil.  I'm here for the fun and for Joe.

Not expecting to win anything. But hoping not to get in the way. Lol.

Phil

Can you clarify the Qualifying, in your opening remarks you said your opponents will be watching from the pits, so are we all doing solo runs? If so that will take 3 mins a driver. If its open qualy then its up to who tows their mate round. So what's the deal?


Cheers

Mike

Clive has set the rules but I can confirm it is open qualifying so if you can get a tow from someone, good luck.

Having set your time, you have to wait out the rest of qualifying.

So if you decide to wait until the end of qualifying to do your run, you will indeed be watched by everyone who has set a time  :)

Just imagine a comedy scenario...
a number of drivers leave it late in a Monza session;  have a slow outlap/jostling to be at the rear group in the hope of picking up a really good tow for the flying lap;  but unfotunately pace is too slow & run out of time... :)

Or how about a nasty ferrari driver,  crashes in parabolica , blocks the track  ;D

Lol, that's a word that doesn't really mean the same thing on this side of the Atlantic... assuming as I always have done that Doni is a guy...

Anyway, I am going to try the Lotus tonight, PB 137.376 according to GPL rank... set on 29/12/2012.........

There are a few drivers who still haven't declared their PB. If you are one of them, please post your PB on this topic BEFORE the start of the race.
Otherwise for Works drivers we will use the World Record time (1:35.408) as your target time. For Ams we will use 1:37.6.

Brabham BT11 1.36.97
Sorry for delay.

best I have done is a 1:39.66

only 65 time I can find at Monza. In the Honda.

OK 1:39.66 it is  ;)

Can't find my old records but call it 1.38.00 for Papyrus Monza in the BT11. 1.39's will be a struggle at the new Monza 67.

Agreed but everyone is in the same position so the net effect should be nil.

Times needed for Bastian, Tris and Pete please.

Sorry I have joined in the wrong car are I think I'm in a problem and my best time for it is 136.792

1:36:857, Coustum rank

LOL, someone of us works did a pitstop like at Hockenheim  ::)
First I see Doni go for pit, I thought that he had blew the engine, then was Bob, so I did the same...

Problem = Brabham, ha ha. I typed that quickly and didn't notice the autocorrect get it wrong again.  ;D ;D ;D

Ah Bastian, next time you try a pass like that I won't move it  ;)

Another enjoyable race for me. Great battle with JonnyO and Doni over the last few laps. I was very lucky to be on a tight inside line when JonnyO spun, I got past unscathed but Doni lost momentum and I managed to get a bit of a gap that I was able to hold until the line. Very lucky but I'll take it  :w00t:

:) at the beginning there was enough space

Not that I'm getting all precious about it :)  but my sLowtus 1:40.683 was at the new Monza67 and uploaded to GPLRank 11-Jan-2021.  As others have also indicated, have been slightly quicker at the Papyrus version (as probably used in season 28 :) )


Anyway, was indeed fun.
Found my top gear was ok with a tow, but otherwise was struggling in clean air.

Once I'd put a wheel out slightly, the resulting half spin meant I'd lost the tow from Phiil & was falling back by over a second a lap.

Only managed to get a handful of practice laps in, so put them all in the reverse direction.  Have a feeling that Silverstone may be more of a problem!

Cheers all.
Dave.

1;36:412 lotus from GPL RANK .... long time ago !...

It was fun but had a couple of issues unfortunately.

L1 on the run into Lesmo the BRM in front of me had a moment under braking so I went to the inside to avoid, ran up the kerbs , back onto the track, had just got it all sorted when got tagged and spun, so all Hell then seemed to happen as Loti, Brabs and Fezzas all bounced off me and the guard rails. Amazingly the little 65 still had 4 wheels pointing in the right direction so was able to continue.

I had 2 black screens, both just as I turned into Lesmo, the screen was blank for 5 secs or more before it returned, this didn't happen in offline running and as it occurred in exactly the same spot each time I can only assume it has something to do with my set up and its interaction to the server. Any ideas?  This hasn't happened in any other UKGPL races.

Strange, I had the similar at Brands Hatch races - screen got black for seconds. But gpl run flawless in background!
Before I had heavy screen flickers, allways at the same places under heavy braking.

I never had such things before, but I suspect it has nothing to do with online racing.

In my case (I hope) it was the G27 PSU, that had a cable that was not properly connected.
It is positioned under my pedals and it made a crackling noise in my speakers under heavy braking...

We've crunched the numbers and the results (subject to moderation but as far as I'm aware there are no reported incidents so far) after taking into account the PBs is below.  So Dave, Tris and Doni hold the advantage as we head off for Round 2 at Silverstone. Don't forget to post your PBs for Silverstone  ;)

Position	Driver	Chassis	Points	Target Lap	Time	Laps	Actual Race	Time	Delta
				Minutes	Seconds		Minutes	Seconds	Seconds
1	dave curtis	Lotus	50	1	39.2	25	41	48.667	28.667
2	MagicArsouille	Lotus	43	1	36.412	25	40	52.81	42.51
3	Doni Yourth	Honda	37	1	37.82	25	41	38.879	53.379
4	Phil Thornton	Lotus	32	1	37.6	25	41	35.564	55.564
5	bernie	Brabham BT11	28	1	38.254	25	41	56.622	60.272
6	bagrupp	Brabham BT11	25	1	36.857	25	41	23.465	62.04
7	fpolicardi	Brabham BT11	23	1	36.97	25	41	28.959	64.709
8	PaulV	Lotus	21	1	39.5	24	40	52.948	64.948
9	BaaB	BRM	19	1	36.496	25	41	29.019	76.619
10	JonnyO	BRM	17	1	36.928	25	41	45.218	82.018
11	ArfArfArf	Brabham BT11	15	1	36.792	25	41	45.297	85.497
12	Raoni Frizzo	Ferrari	13	1	36.15	25	41	34.314	90.564
13	EvilClive	Brabham BT7	11	1	37.989	25	42	31.178	101.453
14	Billy Nobrakes	Brabham BT11	9	1	38	24	41	2.645	110.645
15	AnGex	Lotus	7	1	36.457	25	42	6.816	115.391
16	MikeB	Ferrari	5	1	36.83	24	40	59.984	136.064
17	il_lupo_mannaro	Ferrari	3	1	37.557	24	41	57.822	176.454
18	francesco	Ferrari	0	1	39.46	2	3	51.838

Please note: As usual, drivers need to complete 50% race distance to score points.

You are still leading the pack Dave. Get some practice in for Silverstone, you have a good chance of securing the coveted Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy  :scooter:.

Thanks to Phil for his work with the results and the spreadsheet.

Some of you might now be seeing how this works. It does not really matter how FAST you are, it is all about how consistent your lap times are when compared to your best ever laptime.

Tris was fast and maintained reasonable consistency, but I suspect that somewhere he had an incident. Dave C ran his whole race very close to his PB time and without incidents, so he emerged the clear winner.

This format sets each driver a personal challenge and gives everyone, regardless of their ranking, an almost equal chance of being a winner. Just stay out of trouble and drive as fast as you can for 25 laps.....simples  ;) ;D

I had to reset because accidentaly fueled to 12 Laps again....like the reverse race.

Note to self: Read the GCR's thoroughly before the race.

Again, a terrific start from P9 on the grid and moved up smartly on the run down to La Curva Grande.  I was a bit saucy in making a pass in the grass of Baab but I had such a speed advantage that I just couldn't resist.  Sorry; my bad.  I took up station in P3 behind Fulvio with Bot disappearing into the distance in the lead.  For a couple of laps there, it looked like Fulvio and I would be on our own but soon, we were joined by Baab and Bastian.  In a four car group now, I was disappointed to see that most of the efforts of the group seemed to be to lead this pack at one point or the other instead of cooperation to close on the leader.  This gave Bot all he needed to pull away.  Sigh...

I was happy to sit at the back of this pack for the most part just waiting out my chances.  After about eight or nine laps all the while scanning my pit board to monitor gaps and runners, I scanned my board for the laps remaining expecting to put on some pressure as the finish loomed.  I got the shock of my life.  Fifteen?  FIFTEEN???  WTH!?!?  Has somebody bungled the race lap count?  This can't be!  Surely, it's just 12 laps as per our first race.  It had better be since I'm only gassed for 12 laps.  Next lap and the count was confirmed at 14.  Oh no!  My assumption that this race was of the same lap count was my undoing.  Getting 13 laps under my belt, the engine started to wheeze as I approached the Parabolique on Lap14.  No choice but drop in for a splash n' dash and this from P2.  Groan...

I resumed in P6 but Jonny and Phil soon caught me up and we three had a good dice up to the Parabolique on the next-to-last lap where JJ got all sideways in front of me and I couldn't avoid.  Phil got through without incident but I was held up enough that I had no chance to challenge over that last lap.  Jonny recovered for P8.

Really annoyed with myself for not full reading the rules prior to.  Lesson learned.