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RACE 2

For this years Joe Shaw Trophy races there is something different.
Each evening we will have one short FUN race which will give no points towards the trophy, but will be a small challenge. Followed by a medium length race which Will have points towards the Trophy but it also is slightly different. The tracks that we will use are all Papyrus originals, so everyone should be comfortable with them.

Race list	=	iGOR
Server	=	UKGPL10
IP address	=	217.155.118.41
Password	=	see above (#post_event_password)
GPL Mod	=	65
Damage model	=	Intermediate
60fps Patch	=	60fpsV2newmod
Track download	=	Papyrus Original
Track directory	=	silver
Qualifying starts	=	21:40 UK time - 8 minutes
Race starts	=	~ 21:50 UK time
Race length	=	25 laps
Replay	=	here (https://www.sendspace.com/file/9nad0j)

PLEASE READ THESE RULES CAREFULLY AND ASK IF YOU ARE NOT SURE.

QUALIFYING IS ONE LAP ONLY. 8 minutes of qualifying, one out lap followed by a single timed qualifying lap. If you make a mistake on your qualifying lap that is tough  ;D Everyone will be watching from the pits, so no point in trying to sneak a second lap in. Anyone who posts more than a single qualifying lap will get a 30 second time penalty added to their race time.

Everyone has a free choice of car and unlimited S/Rs, with no requirement for any SnG.
Each driver will have a target time in which to complete the race, this will be calculated using their previous Monza PB x 25. In a perfect world each driver will do 25 laps equal to their previous PB ......but that won't happen   ;).  
At the end of the race there will be a winner "on track" who takes the chequered flag first, but the points will be awarded to the driver who is closest to his target time. So you are racing against your best ever performance for the points.

This gives every driver, regardless of their speed, a chance to claim the glory.

I will be there.

PaulV

I'm in.

I'm in for the Silverstone races too

Pete. I think it 65 F1s for this jolly. Isnt it ?

Count me in!

Yes, you're right. My mistake. I'll make sure I put the correct car on the trailer.

I'll give this a go in a Lotus

Lotus again for me thanks. Will try to find a PB and post that later.

Please post your PBs here. For reference the most recent 65F1 races at Silverstone were:
Season 30 Pro (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=14018#event4987)
Season 30 Am (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=14019#event4997)
Season 28 Pro (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13046#event4488)
Season 27 Pro (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=12657#event4211)
Season 25 Nov (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=12048#event3677)
Season 25 Int (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=12048#event3884)
Season 23 Pro (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11165#event3262)
Season 23 Int (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11164#event3241)
Season 23 Nov (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11163#event3248)

There is a representative time in that lot for most drivers.

S23 says 1:35.093  but my current best practise lap is 1:34.59 .

I assume we use the latter ?

The PB times will be listed here. The table has initially been populated with as many representative times I can find in the previous UKGPL races.

In the unlikely event of a 100% turnout, we will run a second server.

Position	Driver	Chassis	Points	Target Lap	Time	Laps	Actual Race	Time	Delta
				Minutes	Seconds		Minutes	Seconds	Seconds
1	EvilClive	Brabham BT11	0	1	32.848	25
2	Pete Bennett	BRM	0	1	33.693	25
3	Phil Thornton	Ferrari	0	1	34.25	25
4	dave curtis	Lotus	0	1	34.262	25
5	PaulV	Brabham BT11	0	1	36	25
6	bernie	Brabham BT11	0	1	34.59	25
7	AnGex	Lotus	0	1	32.852	25
8	il_lupo_mannaro	Ferrari	0	1	35.616	25
9	francesco	Ferrari	0	1	34.66	25
10	bagrupp	Brabham BT11	0	1	33.38	25
11	MikeB	Lotus	0	1	32.82	25
12	leomenegucci	Brabham BT11	0	1	33.66	25
13	Raoni Frizzo	Ferrari	0	1	32.07	25
14	MagicArsouille	Lotus	0	1	31.706	25
15	Doni Yourth	Honda	0	1	32.25	25
16	Billy Nobrakes	Brabham BT11	0	1	34.237	25
17	fpolicardi		0			25
18	BaaB		0			25
19	ArfArfArf	Brabham BT11	0	1	33.353	25
20	JonnyO	Ferrari	0	1	33.792	25

Yes it would be the fairest thing to do.

The secret to setting a good race time in this event is not to crash. Although there is no need to do a S&G for shift-R, the lost time, heavy fuel load and cold tyres will cost time.

Just checked Bernie, your 1:34.59 is your qually time from the Season 30 Ams race. So it is the correct time to use. I'm trying to find as many UKGPL race/qually times as I can from previous races so we are as fair as possible to everyone.

My 65 Rank Lotus time is 1.32.82

Hi Phil. If you have way of checking my PBs please do.

I'm thinking of trying the BT11 for the Silverstone races. Best in practice so far is 1:37.3

Thanks

Lotus 1:32.852

All I can do is look through your racing history (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=7053;sa=racing_history) and pick out the 65F1 races and look for a representative time.

A 1:37.3 would put you about 3 seconds a lap slower than Bernie. I think that is probably a bit too much. At Kyalami in Season 24 you were 0.8 seconds per lap slower than Bernie. In Season 38 at Oulton you were 1.2 seconds slower than Bernie. Different tracks but not a huge difference in lap times so I suggest a 1:36.0 would be a fair target time for you. Have a go and see if you can get near that in practice.

I will try this one also if i'm not fast.My best is 1.34.66.

32.848 in the BT11 looks like my best.

1:32.852 in the Lotus but I'll be in my BRM this evening and my PB in that is a 1:33.693

1:33.66 with the BT11

1:35.616 with the Italian red car...

OK.. bit of practice under my belt   new PB in Brabham  1:36.75

best i can manage so far.. hopefully improve slightly in the race.  but needing consistancy not speed !!!

1.33.07 Brabham BT11 on 2009

Black screen of death again, ended up stuck behind a wall and it wouldn't Shift-R. Pity I was enjoying that

That was almost the perfect race for me - Q3 (did Q2 make the race?). Clive and I got off to a flier and gapped everyone immediately. I was wondering if I could catch him when his car flicked off the edge of the last corner and I was on my own. Unsurprised to see Tris closing fast, but after getting a couple of fast laps behind Clive I was pleased to see I went even faster in clean air. Not enough to keep Tris at bay and he got past easily after a lap or two then disappeared... I have to be happy though, no spins, very consistent, so I should do well in the handicapped positions.

Reverse races were fun too, nice way to remember Joe.

Thanks to Clive and Phil (??) for organising.

Arf

I really enjoyed that. it was cool to be with a bunch for most of the race. improved my PB by a couple of seconds too.. now it doesnt look too embarrasing against all the others.

for a fair bit of the race I was having a blast with Phil. Dave,Pete and Bernie.  great stuff. Thanks Lads for such considerate driving.

one thing... please Tris can you slow down a bit LOL..  and stop pipping me at the post about one second from the end of my penultimate lap.. Im nearly doing OK and then im relegated to Minus 1 Lap . Doh !!

I hear you!  :)

I read this all wrong. Missed race 1 as I hadn't clocked the start time. Turned up for Race 2 expecting it to be Revlis in the MRB. Panicked as I realised it was Silver in the BRM. I didn't have my own 65 set up so grabbed Cookie's from the list. Changed brake balance and steering ratio and went for it.

Avoided the carnage on lap 1 and a few bonfires on subsequent laps only to miss a few gears and fall off the track with four to go. Fun battles along the way and how Phil and I got round Woodcote side by side like that I'll never know. Great driving, Phil.

Tris, how so fast? It's just not possible.

Yes great fun but I wish the same could said for my driving on Lap 2 at Chapel. I rear ended Dave :( . Very sorry about that. 

No worries Phil,  fun events & again turned out to be rather frantic.

Thanks for the exciting times chaps & congratulations up the sharp end.


I must say, the 1 lap thing worked out better than I thought it would.
Although just need to hope that you don't come across an outlapper on 'the one'.
Still - is the same for everyone.

Overall, I say this miniseries was a good break from the norm. Thanks!

Cheers,
Dave.

Handicap results for Race 2:

Position	Driver	Chassis	Points	Target Lap	Time	Laps	Actual Race	Time	Delta
				Minutes	Seconds		Minutes	Seconds	Seconds
1	ArfArfArf	Brabham BT11	50	1	33.353	25	39	8.897	15.072
2	PaulV	Brabham BT11	43	1	36	24	38	55.752	31.752
3	bagrupp	Brabham BT11	37	1	33.38	25	39	27.891	33.391
4	MagicArsouille	Lotus	32	1	31.706	25	38	50.99	38.34
5	AnGex	Lotus	28	1	32.852	25	39	26.695	45.395
6	fpolicardi	Brabham BT11	25	1	33.07	25	39	39.738	52.988
7	Phil Thornton	Ferrari	23	1	34.25	25	40	18.883	62.633
8	dave curtis	Lotus	21	1	34.262	24	38	56.259	73.971
9	Billy Nobrakes	Brabham BT11	19	1	34.237	24	39	1.77	80.082
10	Pete Bennett	BRM	17	1	33.693	24	39	23.817	115.185
11	EvilClive	Brabham BT11	0	1	32.848	8	13	7.258
12	bernie	Brabham BT11	0	1	34.59	1	1	58.226
13	il_lupo_mannaro	Ferrari	0	1	35.616	3	5	56.205
14	francesco	Ferrari	0	1	34.66	8	13	6.949
15	MikeB	Lotus	0	1	32.82	8	13	5.292
16	leomenegucci	Brabham BT11	0	1	33.66	0	0	0

So the combined result (subject to moderation) is:

Position	Driver	Points
1	MagicArsouille	75
2	dave curtis	71
3	ArfArfArf	65
4	PaulV	64
5	bagrupp	62
6	Phil Thornton	55
7	fpolicardi	48
8	Doni Yourth	37
9	AnGex	35
10	bernie	28
11	Billy Nobrakes	28
12	BaaB	19
13	JonnyO	17
14	Pete Bennett	17
15	Raoni Frizzo	13
16	EvilClive	11
17	MikeB	5
18	il_lupo_mannaro	3
19	francesco	0
20	leomenegucci	0

Interesting results. Grats to Arf on topping race 2, very consistent driving. Well done to Tris on two amazingly fast and consistent drives.

I hope everyone enjoyed Clive's new format. The reverse races were great fun. A fitting tribute to Beefpie. RIP Joe.

Sorry to Evil,I didn't realise you were on my right-hand side and i kept my usual trajectory.

I didn't have time to download the Reverse Tracks but the forward direction races were good fun.

Unlike the Monza I avoided all the Lap 1 accidents. So no excuse this time for being slow.

It does not appear that anyone has any incidents to report and that all races were conducted in the right spirit.

Provisionally it looks like Tris has taken the JSMT for this year, I will close the Incident Report page tomorrow and declare the result official if it stays blank.

What did drivers feel about the REVERSE tracks,  Fun, Challanging, Exciting or just a pain in the a**?? Would you like to see them again?

There has been some feedback about the handicap format, but it would be good if all participants gave their opinion on how it worked for them. We could run other fun series with a similar format and give every driver a shot at the champagne  :drool:.

It maybe possible to run a complete championship across 2 ( or more)  servers with everyone racing against each other AND their PB's but that will require some deeper thinking. ;)

The reverse tracks were great fun and add an additional challenge (for me anyway) caused by the apparent familiarity with the track - initially I instinctively tried to enter the corner as I would normally exit it, only to find that it just doesn't work. I need to treat them as brand new tracks...

The handicap system... interested to see what others think. It was definitely novel and fun, but unsure how repeatable it is. It could be open to abuse. I chose the BT11 because I was still red in it for that track (have gone green in other cars), and saw it as a challenge to get green... which I did not manage, despite finishing in a strong P2 - i think that's why I haven't really cared about the 65 rank challenge - it's too difficult. Also, I think I only had 3 times set for that car/track combo. If I wanted to run a different car for a race I might have to create a rank to enter it, and that means that I could be tempted to set a more conservative time to make me look good in the race. It worked well this time because it was a surprise, maybe? When I set the time I was measured against I was almost certainly flat out, and I only bettered it by 0.2s in the race... which doesn't say much for my improvements since I set that time some years ago  ;D

Very happy to be P3 in a championship! WD to Dave and Tris for the other podium spots.

A bit disapponted by my end results. I could have easily finished 2nd at Monza with a consistent race if I hadn't handiccapped myself with a stop-go not required by the rules. ::) Bob did the same but he had an off at Para in the end when he was ahead of me.
At Silver I started well in 4th position (polesitter Leo didn't start) avoiding the car beside that was sliding in to me, but at T1 the same car tried to overtake inside and we touched restarting both dead last. Then I had a nice catch up till 5th position with no chance to catch Bastian and Andreas battling ahead and without other crashes or offs, but the consistence was bad cause lap1 crash.
As already stated by Doni, not many drivers took this challenge with the right attitude to avoid crashes and risks battling a lot with other drivers.
In the end I think that this kind of races battling vs our PBs are too influenced by the interaction with other drivers, in some occasion very unlucky like Raoni at Monza that hit a lapped car out of control for example.
The reverse tracks were fun and interesting to find new lines as said Arf.
Thx for organizing :)

I got wiped out twice ,  first was Lap 1 going into stowe when Phil made a move up the inside and although there was no physical contact GPL decided it was too close and I got warped off the track , after the re set I got as far as chapel where Meneguzzi drifted wide into me resulting in my being launched about 200 ft into the atmosphere . When the dust settled I went to re join the track only to find I was headed the wrong way , did a swift U turn but my car wasnt right so another S/R needed to carry on but only as far as Woodcote where I got the dreaded Black Flag and retired from a very disapointing race . Having been taken off on the reverse race first on the start of my qually lap then later in the race by Dave going into Ednarg Evruc it was not my lucky day  ::) 

Sorry about that Bernie. It was a clean move and I couldn't have been closer the the inside kerb but as I put the power on I got a twitch of oversteer which probably generated enough of a lateral movement for GPL to register warp contact. It was just unlucky and one of the limitations of on-line racing. In situations like that I try to stay as wide as possible to try to limit my exposure to warp but it is easier said than done. I actually drove off the track in the 65 race at Philip Island trying to keep out of trouble  ::)

Appreciate that Phil , no blame whatsoever intended or implied , in fact looking at  the replay I was surprised to see just how big the gap between us was , obviously GPL saw it differently which leads me to believe there may have been an issue with the crash boxes escpecially after the way I got launched into oblivion on the 2nd occasion after what seemed to be the slightest of contacts ?

I say this because I don't recall ever having warp issues like this before in 65 mod !