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Title: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: SRW on May 10, 2021, 10:08:13 PM +0100
FUN RACE

Practice: 20:00 (30 mins)
Qual: 20:30 (15 mins)
Race: 20:45 (30 mins)


Cars allowed: P2 PROTOTYPES



Circuit: Road America
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry

Start: Standing start Rolling
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: none required

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see
cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules especially the
rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) You will need to install Race Room Racing Experience from Steam, and have the relevant Track Packs for this series
(4) Please exercise caution when pitting as some tracks have a speed limit.
(5) Please follow the SROUK guidelines for using kerbs etc. Please keep 2 wheels on the track surface (kerbs do not count as track surface)
Excessive cutting of corners will seen as cheating and the results may be altered to reflect this.



Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: spanner on May 11, 2021, 01:23:01 PM +0100
 :-* ;D

I think the last time i remember driving P2's they had the radicals in there which now don't seem to be part of the class as i don't think i own one!


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: picnic on May 11, 2021, 02:39:00 PM +0100
Just logged in to the Store and P2 Class appears to include,

Chevi Daytona Prototype
DMD P21
Mistral M531
Radical SR9 AER
Radical SR9 Judd

Apparently I own them all, that's surprised me as I don't recall using any of them.


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: phspok on May 12, 2021, 10:54:41 AM +0100
I threatened to use P2 ages ago, and they are/were one of the options for my next group of series...
If Stephen runs them, then I won't


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: goldtop on May 12, 2021, 12:13:50 PM +0100
I like the P2 cars so might give this a go. I need to see if I can squeeze Raceroom onto my Hard disk again as I've had it uninstalled for a while now.


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: SRW on May 12, 2021, 12:51:46 PM +0100
Just logged in to the Store and P2 Class appears to include,

Chevi Daytona Prototype
DMD P21
Mistral M531
Radical SR9 AER
Radical SR9 Judd

Apparently I own them all, that's surprised me as I don't recall using any of them.
a couple of them are free cars


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: SRW on May 12, 2021, 12:55:53 PM +0100
I threatened to use P2 ages ago, and they are/were one of the options for my next group of series...
If Stephen runs them, then I won't
Didn't realise they were on your list, I am just trying out a few different car types to guage interest for later in the year. My next RRE series starting in a few weeks time will be DTM 2020


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: phspok on May 12, 2021, 01:31:08 PM +0100
It's not an issue. I have a few cars on my list  ;D And I try to avoid GT cars


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: azaris on May 12, 2021, 06:31:54 PM +0100
Haven't tried these cars for ages, still on the old old tyre model but don't seem too bad at Road America. Any reason we're doing standing start and not rolling? Do all the cars have TC?


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: SRW on May 13, 2021, 12:43:57 PM +0100
Haven't tried these cars for ages, still on the old old tyre model but don't seem too bad at Road America. Any reason we're doing standing start and not rolling? Do all the cars have TC?

I decided on a standing start as it was only a fun race and I find that the cold tyre effect seems a lot less in RRE than in AC. I can change to rolling start if people would prefer


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: Geoffers on May 13, 2021, 03:08:01 PM +0100
Haven't tried these cars for ages, still on the old old tyre model but don't seem too bad at Road America. Any reason we're doing standing start and not rolling? Do all the cars have TC?

I decided on a standing start as it was only a fun race and I find that the cold tyre effect seems a lot less in RRE than in AC. I can change to rolling start if people would prefer

I believe rolling starts are now possible in RRE, just need to enable it when setting the server I guess. As this is a fun race it could be a good opportunity to test it out.


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: SRW on May 14, 2021, 12:40:56 PM +0100
Haven't tried these cars for ages, still on the old old tyre model but don't seem too bad at Road America. Any reason we're doing standing start and not rolling? Do all the cars have TC?

I decided on a standing start as it was only a fun race and I find that the cold tyre effect seems a lot less in RRE than in AC. I can change to rolling start if people would prefer

I believe rolling starts are now possible in RRE, just need to enable it when setting the server I guess. As this is a fun race it could be a good opportunity to test it out.

OK, I will look into it tonight


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: SRW on May 15, 2021, 11:34:22 AM +0100
The practice server is up. I have set it to automatic rolling start

FYI - At the race start the game keeps control of everyone as the cars are rolling down the start straight, then when the leader crosses the startline you get control of your car


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: picnic on May 15, 2021, 11:43:07 AM +0100
Or in my case

then when the leader crosses the startline you get lose control of your car

::)


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: BiriBiri on May 15, 2021, 11:57:52 AM +0100
There is currently a ranked server up with the P2 and GT cars at Mid Ohio  (raced it today with Chunky, to bad for my spin).


@SRW: did you look at the BOP (because in the ranked server the RRE class gets 50kg and the Radical 15kg.


@all, will someone participate in the wednesday drive at Mid Ohio (P2 + GT)?


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: Geoffers on May 15, 2021, 12:47:14 PM +0100
There is currently a ranked server up with the P2 and GT cars at Mid Ohio  (raced it today with Chunky, to bad for my spin).


@SRW: did you look at the BOP (because in the ranked server the RRE class gets 50kg and the Radical 15kg.


@all, will someone participate in the wednesday drive at Mid Ohio (P2 + GT)?

I think you mean the DMD which gets the 50kg.

Not tried it yet, but yes I will probably be doing the Wednesday enduro again this week.

For anyone interested here is a video of last weeks RRE enduro at Watkins Glen that I took part in. Was doing quite well in the GTO class until I got 2 drive throughs for pit speeding!  ::)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcdl_it1pqc


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: SRW on May 15, 2021, 09:08:49 PM +0100
so you are saying the following:

DMD P21 - 50kgs

Radical SR9 AER - 15kgs

Radical SR9 JUDD - 15kgs

Chevy DP & Mistral - no ballast

if you can confirm this i will update the server


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: BiriBiri on May 15, 2021, 09:17:00 PM +0100
so you are saying the following:

DMD P21 - 50kgs

Radical SR9 AER - 15kgs

Radical SR9 JUDD - 15kgs

Chevy DP & Mistral - no ballast

if you can confirm this i will update the server

confirm

only -15kgs for the SR9 AER, not the JUDD


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: spanner on May 16, 2021, 10:28:28 AM +0100
AM i right in thinking the DMP is the turbo powered and the Mistral the N/A powered cars?

I probalby should just check...

Hmm ok..

Mistral is v8, 450hp, 970kg
DMP is a V6, 450hp, 970kg


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: SRW on May 16, 2021, 12:02:51 PM +0100
so you are saying the following:

DMD P21 - 50kgs

Radical SR9 AER - 15kgs

Radical SR9 JUDD - 15kgs

Chevy DP & Mistral - no ballast

if you can confirm this i will update the server

confirm

only -15kgs for the SR9 AER, not the JUDD

I have added the ballast to the server


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: picnic on May 16, 2021, 07:35:12 PM +0100
No password available yet! Event properly setup in LM2?


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: SRW on May 16, 2021, 07:56:58 PM +0100
No password available yet! Event properly setup in LM2?


is now  ;)


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: Chunky on May 16, 2021, 08:02:18 PM +0100
password not working


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: picnic on May 17, 2021, 10:23:45 AM +0100
Sadly the opencomposite change hasn't fixed anything as the game crashed again last night :( Still at least it put me out of my misery. I was having problems under braking all race, the car keep trying to swap ends often as I came off the brakes. Plus by the time the game gave up I was over 4 seconds a lap slower than earlier in the race. Even when I seemed up to speed anyone who caught be up breezed passed as if I was in a slower class, and that was still after I upped the engine map to the max.

Wouldn't look forward to running these in a championship, I'd seriously consider not bothering.

I'll try pancake mode on Thursday.


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: frex on May 17, 2021, 10:47:22 AM +0100
I only have the free cars (DPD and Mistral) and of those only tried the Mistral, so can't comment on the others. The Mistral however was easy to drive if a bit down on power on the straights, just needed a bit of brake modulation into a couple of corners to prevent lockups. It is clearly on very old tyre/suspension physics however, but anyway was a fun race. Spent most of it chasing Geoff after we both had a scruffy couple of laps which let John get away. I'd be ok running them if wanted.

@Toni: I hope I did not cause your spin at T3 on lap 2. I didn't feel or see any touch as I dived past, but we were very close. Hope I did not lag into you or something?


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: BillThomas on May 17, 2021, 11:35:03 AM +0100
I also found the Mistral easy to drive and would like to race them again. Only problem was the rolling start, previously it was rather a slow lap warming up tyres. Everyone last night seemed to be racing from the start, caught Stephen up on the blind hump into turn one had to brake hard to avoid him. By the time I got up to speed everyone was out of sight so I never caught up for a rolling start!

Other than that I had a good night’s fun, new PB over 4 seconds faster than in  my morning practice.  8)


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: azaris on May 17, 2021, 11:48:21 AM +0100
Plus by the time the game gave up I was over 4 seconds a lap slower than earlier in the race. Even when I seemed up to speed anyone who caught be up breezed passed as if I was in a slower class, and that was still after I upped the engine map to the max.

All I did with the Radical AER (besides engine map 5) was I dropped the rear wing to 9 (below that it was a bit sketchy) and lowered the final gear for more straight line speed. Seemed OK even with the ballast.

@Toni: I hope I did not cause your spin at T3 on lap 2. I didn't feel or see any touch as I dived past, but we were very close. Hope I did not lag into you or something?

You did divebomb me pretty hard, but I lost the rear on braking. I don't think we touched, so I'll take the L on that one.


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: Geoffers on May 17, 2021, 12:17:09 PM +0100
I also found the Mistral easy to drive and would like to race them again. Only problem was the rolling start, previously it was rather a slow lap warming up tyres. Everyone last night seemed to be racing from the start, caught Stephen up on the blind hump into turn one had to brake hard to avoid him. By the time I got up to speed everyone was out of sight so I never caught up for a rolling start!

Bill you needed to have read post #12 of this thread where Stephen explains what happens at the new RRE rolling start procedure. This was an option added in a recent RaceRoom update.

I have tried 3 cars from this group, the DMD & the two Radicals. The DMD I found to be easy to drive, the Radical AER wasn't too difficult, just a little prone to locking the brakes, the Radical Judd was more tricky as it was prone to locking the rears if you changed down too quickly which could cause a spin.

As Frex said a good race between the two of us but we both had a couple of scrappy laps which allowed John to get away. We both got our act together late in the race & swapped fastest laps & although we gained on John we were never going to catch him before the time ran out.

Congrats to John & Frex.  :clap: :clap:



Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: BiriBiri on May 17, 2021, 02:28:10 PM +0100
Congrats John, Geoff and frex!!!!


Seemed i didn`t had the pace anymore. I think i changed too much on the setup, turn-in was difficult. Could barelly follow the first 4 cars, until Toni made a mistake. And to avoid him i needed to make a visit with my right tyres in the gravel.

Afterwards driving alone towards a fourth position.
 


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: BillThomas on May 17, 2021, 03:53:40 PM +0100
I also found the Mistral easy to drive and would like to race them again. Only problem was the rolling start, previously it was rather a slow lap warming up tyres. Everyone last night seemed to be racing from the start, caught Stephen up on the blind hump into turn one had to brake hard to avoid him. By the time I got up to speed everyone was out of sight so I never caught up for a rolling start!

Bill you needed to have read post #12 of this thread where Stephen explains what happens at the new RRE rolling start procedure. This was an option added in a recent RaceRoom update.



Thanks, being at back of the grid got flummoxed when everyone else sailed of into the distance!  ::) ???


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: Chunky on May 17, 2021, 04:32:13 PM +0100
Had a little bit of a play with all the cars in practice the only way i could get near the AI's was with the Chevy, this worked out well for the race as I managed to get away at the start. Geoff and Frex ended up faster than me at the end and with a few more laps would of caught up with me. Grats to those guys for the podium, not sure about this series i think once they get the updated tires and physics maybe.

thinking of getting one of these https://dofreality.com/#h3

JP


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: Geoffers on May 17, 2021, 05:50:48 PM +0100

thinking of getting one of these https://dofreality.com/#h3


 :o :tt1:

So, anyone else doing the RRE enduro on Weds?  Have tried the Radical AER & the Corvette GT2 & feel more comfortable around Mid-Ohio in the Corvette, it rides the kerbs better so will probably go with that.


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: azaris on May 17, 2021, 08:20:58 PM +0100
Can't do Wednesdays, but I will do the 2x20 WTCC race tomorrow.


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: BiriBiri on May 17, 2021, 09:42:59 PM +0100
Changed towards the chevy, but didn`t worked for me. The Radical AER i`m now flying with it, especially in close racing i`m now more confident in the car.

See you wednesday, but propably in bronse (maybe in silver if i do a couple of races tommorrow). Safety rating is not a problem, but the normal ranking.


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: BiriBiri on May 18, 2021, 05:26:06 PM +0100
Confirm, that the best strategy is to max fuel the car and at the end only pit for a splash and dash (no tire change)

Only my second race with pit stops.


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: Geoffers on May 18, 2021, 06:24:17 PM +0100
Confirm, that the best strategy is to max fuel the car and at the end only pit for a splash and dash (no tire change)

Only my second race with pit stops.

Corvette will need a tyre change, neither softs or hards will last the distance. I am planning to use the soft tyres, I think they will just last until half distance & are around 1s a lap faster than the hard tyres, so even if the hard tyres did last the distance it would still be faster to use the softs & change. Be careful not to get a pit speeding penalty!


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: BiriBiri on May 18, 2021, 09:51:38 PM +0100
In the Raddical`s i can`t choose tire compound. But i think they will remain untill the end. either way at 70% in race i can still choose to switch tires. It doesn`t need much time, and you get tires also at the correct heat  ;D


currently in bronse (rating at 1555). At geoff in which server will you be, if you are in silver i can get there if i do 3 more ranked race`s. Getting always now top 4`s in the evening hours


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: Geoffers on May 18, 2021, 11:20:20 PM +0100
Let me know if you get enough rating to do the silver & I will join that one too, otherwise I will probably race the gold one. Last week the gold & bronze servers were well populated but there were only a few in the silver one.


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: goldtop on May 19, 2021, 09:33:02 AM +0100
Looks like force feedback is finally getting an overhaul  :)

https://forum.sector3studios.com/index.php?threads/may-2021-dev-notes.16906/

I've hated the ffb since December 2019 so maybe this will get me interested again.


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: azaris on May 19, 2021, 10:20:59 AM +0100
Looks like force feedback is finally getting an overhaul  :)

https://forum.sector3studios.com/index.php?threads/may-2021-dev-notes.16906/

I've hated the ffb since December 2019 so maybe this will get me interested again.

Eh, maybe. Unless it turns into more like AC/ACC/iRacing, in which case count me out. Trying to do FFB based only on real physical forces doesn't work well unless you have a DD wheel in my experience. Also removing options for tuning the FFB doesn't sound useful to me.


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: goldtop on May 19, 2021, 11:51:18 AM +0100
Yep, just goes to show how ffb is such a personal thing and possibly dependant on hardware. I loved RRE before December 2019 but have struggled with it ever since.

I find AC quite enjoyable since I started using a LUT file for my DFGT and now a G25, was a bit hit and miss before then. I spend a lot of time in rF2 these days which feels great straight out of the box for me so I'm wondering/hoping if this RRE overhaul will be closer to that  :-\ We'll see.


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: BiriBiri on May 19, 2021, 05:04:12 PM +0100
Let me know if you get enough rating to do the silver & I will join that one too, otherwise I will probably race the gold one. Last week the gold & bronze servers were well populated but there were only a few in the silver one.

Just arrived at home from work. So not able to race before hand to get in silver.


Geoff succes in Gold



Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: Geoffers on May 19, 2021, 05:22:44 PM +0100
Let me know if you get enough rating to do the silver & I will join that one too, otherwise I will probably race the gold one. Last week the gold & bronze servers were well populated but there were only a few in the silver one.

Just arrived at home from work. So not able to race before hand to get in silver.


Geoff succes in Gold

Thanks, have fun & hope you do well.  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: BiriBiri on May 19, 2021, 10:10:28 PM +0100
Had a great race, much better than Sunday  ;D

Joined bronse server A, in qualifing i had problems to find clear air. But with 5min on the clock i did a 1:19s and get P4.

30 cars at the grid (10 P2`s, and 20 GT2`s)

Clean start but at T2, P7/8 did a divebomb but just missed everyone luckily. After some struggling laps lost a place. P1 was pulling away, but from P2 there was a train of cars up to P7. After 15min i managed to get towards P2 and from then on i pulled away. Had 1 slip in the race, but managed the car in the right direction, so only lost 3sec.

After 30min i was surprised from the early pitstop from the race leader. So i took the lead  :). Halfway other cars behind did also there pitstop, i was waiting if i should change the front tires or not.

After 50min the car with the early pitstop closed me, and with only 1/2sec on the relative i decided to stay away from a fight and did my pitstop with front tire change. (in the pits i had just time to do a tear off, first time endurance with VR goggles. So in 12sec off my VR and wipped off my sweat from my eyebrows  :P ;D ).

Joined the track in P2, what was my place.

After 1 hour surprisingly the race leader did a 2 stopper  :eek: , and i moved back towards the lead. With 17min remaining he was back at my tail defended a bit. But after wathing that P3 was also closing towards 6/7 sec. I decided to let him pas, after that i clould follow easily him and was 1.5 sec faster than normal (and 0.5sec faster than quali). So i pulled away from P3.

Result

1. A. Kra
2. B. Meysman        3.1s
3. D. Jarman                      30.2s

lapped P7 car.

was really close and clean racing. The GT cars where watching there mirrors all the time  :clap: :clap: . also 22 cars managed it towards the finish.

Kra was defenitly faster than me, but it was close due to the 2 stopper of him. I was more matching the pace from P3/4/5 but made only 1 mistake and was more consistent. I was also faster when we where lapping the GT cars.


really satisfied  ;) ;D


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: picnic on May 20, 2021, 07:48:20 AM +0100
Congratulations, sounds like you had some fun  ;D


Title: Re: RRE - Road America - May 16
Post by: Geoffers on May 20, 2021, 09:19:09 AM +0100
Your race was almost exactly the same as mine Birger.

Qualified 4th in the GT class, got a good start & was 2nd at T1 behind another Corvette. First few laps were quite close after which us two Corvettes started to ease away from the 3rd place RUF. The guy in front was a little bit faster than me but was less consistent & was making one or two small mistakes allowing me to keep up with him & eventually get ahead. He retook the lead a few laps later before making an early pitstop.

Made my stop at half distance with the front tyres now toast & most other GT cars also stopped around the same time. I was now 3rd with the Corvette guy & a BMW around 35-40s ahead & clearly doing 2 stops. Got back into the lead when they stopped & was 15s clear of the Corvette guy who was back in 4th, things were looking promising!

However the guy in the Corvette was now flying & quickly dispensed with the RUF & BMW behind & started to close the gap. He caught me with about 8 minutes left & when a P2 car lapped us at T2 I braked a little late, ran wide & lost the lead. No way I could stay with him as my front tyres had gone & I'm not quite sure how I completed the race as the left front had no wear left for the last 2 laps  :o.

So like you very pleased with 2nd place & a huge 42 point increase in my rating.  ;D