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Season 38 - SC67 - Lola vs Ferrari Cup – Round 9 - 37¾ mile Isle Of Man Mountain Course

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Round 9 of the S38 Lola vs Ferrari Cup we visit the "37¾ mile Isle Of Man Mountain Course" a wonderfull new track made in many years by Aussie Jim Pearson. It seems to be made for this cars...


Please check the Season 38 details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1262&theme=6) regarding rules and the Lola vs Ferrari Cup pages (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1312&theme=6) in particular.
In order to add an element of realism, and to hopefully reduce the possibility of rear-end incidents, the brake light patch will be used (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=13319&#entry145626)  :eek:

Race List	=	IGOR
Server	=	UKGPL_8
IP Address	=	TBA
Race date	=	21-05-2021
GPL mod	=	SC67 - Lola / Ferrari only
60fps patch	=	60fpsV2newmod
Track dir	=	AAIOM (http://jrpearson.homestead.com/37MileIOMMCRelease.html)
Quali starts	=	20:45  UK time -> 45min
Race starts	=	~21:30 UK time
Race length	=	~50 min -> 2 laps
Damage Model	=	Intermediate
Replay	=	here (https://www.mediafire.com/file/m3vt2toydlsht2u/UKGPL_8__60fps.2021.05.21.23.24.rpy.7z/file)

Handicapping

"Works" drivers will carry extra weight in form of 10 gallons of race fuel (to remain in the tank after the race). No limit in quali!
Drivers are expected to behave in a fair and gentlemanly fashion and declare how much fuel they have left after the race.

In order to ensure there will be ~10 gallons of fuel left after the race, the minimum race fuel load for Works is expected to be:

• Lola T70 = 29 gallons (~110 litres)
• Ferrari P4 = 30 gallons (~114 litres)

4 x resets will be allowed there is no need to carry out a Stop and Go in the pit lane if you make a Shift-R.

Drivers are reminded that Lap 1 incidents carry an extra 1 place penalty.
Only reported incidents will be moderated.

Please restrict chat to emergency messages only including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.


WIP

Class     Driver Lola   Ferrari Works Tristan Bot     4 4 Works Enrique Farina   1 2 Works Axel Cookie 5 3 Works EvilClive 3 3 Works Raoni Frizzo 1 1 Works Fulvio Policardi 3 5 Privat David Rainier 3 4 Privat Phil Thornton 4 3 Privat Fran M 3 4 Privat Paul V 2 3 Privat Doni Y 4 4 Privat Pete Bennett 4 4 Works Greg T 0 3 Works Alain Maurice 2 2 Works Markus Friedrich   2 1 Works Mark Jones 4 2 Privat Philippe Girard 4 4 Privat maddog 2 1 Works Giovanni Centorame 1 1 Privat Christian Dauger 1 0 GLA +FUN

With such a long lap, are there any rules regarding qualifying?

Yes, you shouldn't start a full lap with less than 10 min to go,
like Targa you have only 10 min time after end session of Q

FYI...

Did a lap in the Lola yesterday coming in with a time just under 21 minutes.  Used only 5-1/2 USG.  No resets.

This track is so tough mentally. It's hard work concentrating for 2 laps. I'll just be happy to finish in one piece.

I only needed 5-1/2 resets for one lap.


I'll be lucky to finish. 4 resets might be far from generous enough to allow me to finish. :lol:

I also get scared whenever I reach 160 mph. I know catastrophe is going to strike soon.

Any chance of starting the server early as it takes 8 minutes for the track to load on my Linux system.

I will,
~ 20:30 UK time
- I start the server version (extreme light) 6min min before to be online 20:30

 yes it loads slow too here. Lots of mips...

Got it a little faster with 

SSD: how to optimize your Solid State Drive for Linux Mint and Ubuntu
https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.com/p/ssd.html#ID1

Mr Gates and a +***??!! Win 10 update appear to have scrambled my GEM/IGOR.....again!!

I have reloaded GEM/IGOR and now I can access GEM and all the car mods/drivers, but Igor refuses to load properly and therefore I have no RACELIST. ( I get a message about "access violation in IGOR.exe" ??).
Also I have lost the latest IP for Igor, can someone remind me of the correct address?

[ RaceListServers ]
IP                        = igor.gplrank.info

IMO you can't copy the gplsecrets folder as it has been registered in Win  when installed

so

you should run the GEMPackage_2.5.0.32.exe again

Something very odd is happening and I cannot find where the problem lies.

I deleted my old GPL secrets folder and I have re-installed GEM 2.5.0.32.

Allowed Gem to rebuild the .exe files

All carsets and players available.

Configured the IGOR button and pointed it at the Igor.exe

Clicked the IGOR button and get the Win10  "Access violation" message again, but when I cancel that message, the Igor screen appears.

Igor chat starts and seems OK.

The racelist takes around a minute to populate ( normally that is almost instant?? ) and all of the race servers are shown as NOT AVAILABLE to join, even though I know that the circuits and mods are loaded in GEM.

ATM I can at least see the IP address for tonight's race, so I should be able to join via the GPL Multiplayer route.

i had a massive  win10 update Yesterday and i was worried about, but all seems ok. Evil i had the same tour message at IGOr startup time ago, and i could't joint races . I discoveredwas related to directories access permissions. Maybe you Lost your permissions with the update, try to allow indicizzation of your GPL folder and your track directory.

@Clive

sometimes the GEMinstallet makes stupid path to the gpl folder - so please check in igor options if the path is correct ;)


(https://i.ibb.co/wW6npRJ/Bildschirmfoto-2021-05-21-20-43-25.png) (https://ibb.co/yyszgXh)

You can open the track offline before the server starts and it will usually load much quicker the 2nd time it is opened.

I get booted every time I enter on car in pit, offline it works.

I think it's dead for this race !! :-[

Got CTD on Lap 2  >:(

Well, that's what I was saying, after the many disconnections (for everyone apparently) just before the start, disconnected halfway through the 2nd lap ... really a circuit to be avoided ... >:(

Is a beautiful track but too difficult for me.

Finally a real challenge after 2000000 races in Hockeneim :P I enjoied a lot this track, it's an absolutely must have, of course it's very different to make an hotlap alone than racing against others and it was a real challenge looking the car ahead, the car behind and remember the key point of track. I wasted a pole( can't  believe still now) on the first 15 miles of the course because i was so excited that i forgot where i was ( and so 3 resets ;D ;D). Tristan well done, you made a solid race and for sure you demonstreted that cold blood and  a constant pace beat pure speed on this type of track.

Sorry for chatting while Phil was still on track on Q. Luckily starting from grid worked, thx for the hint, but I couldn't do any lap to test the car and the setup was awful. Very hard wheel and the car was snapping every turn slowing out of gas, My wrists hurt. A part hitting a couple of cars stopped sideways I took care and did all the race without reset till the very last turn where I ripped a wheel and had to reset.

Yeah, me too :(

Difficult, it's true, but, I think, not well designed.  Too narrow, when you are across the track, impossible to get back in the direction of travel, not to mention the walls that you touch with each tight pin

Yeah it's difficult for close racing in these cars. In Porsche/ Alfa it was less dangerous.

@ Christian
The maker Jim Pearson said he has allready made the track much wider than it is, in the presentation thread.

I had done too much laps in the afternoon and lost concentration in lap 2...

The road is very narrow but it is realistic. The real track is bumpier than the GPL version. It is very hard to overtake on a motorcycle, never mind a very wide '67 Sports car. There is only one line here. To overtake you need to move off that ideal line. Riders quite often don't crash on the corner they made a mistake on, they crash 2 or 3 corners later.

The GPL track is a masterpiece, by far the best track ever created for GPL IMO. Jim Pearson is a genius. But as in real life, the track is not best suited for head to head racing. The bikes set off in 10 second intervals, not something that is easy to emulate in GPL (but it is possible, perhaps there is scope for a Christmas break fun race ?)

On my first qually lap, I hit someone who was going the wrong way  :eek:. They must have crashed and got confused. Anyway that allowed my to reset and so I had enough fuel to complete 3 laps. My second qually lap was a bit better but I couldn't quite topple Giovanni from top spot (excellent driving well done). On my third lap I put in three green sectors and I was on track to get pole but qually finished just as I was exiting Governor's Bridge. No more corners to go, it was a straight dash to the line but I didn't make it  >:(.

My race was a bit of a disaster, it is very hard to follow a car here. You need to be able to look far ahead to pick the right line. Anyway after a few resets (a combination of hitting wreckage and my own stupid mistakes) I had a CTD. However it is worth pointing out that the CTD only occurred because I had crashed and left the track. I haven't had a CTD when I remained on the tarmac :). Is that the same for everyone? I wouldn't want the track to be unfairly criticised.

@Cookie, It was my first race under linux ... ;)
Apart from the excessively long loading time of the track (much longer than under Win10) and disconnections, I find the image almost more beautiful than under w10 !! (despite the absence of fine adjustments as with Nvidia inspector ...!) The FFB was good (as much as my G27 allows!)

Do you know a solution to recover the shifter? because the pallets are not very natural !! (gplshift does not work nor Fairshift)
And can you tell me your settings to have the position of the pilots displayed in the middle of the screen?

Edit : @Cookie, I found it!

Yes, probably also my lack of experience with GPL !!
But the fact of not being able to start again (other than with shift R) when you find yourself crossing the track is a shame.
It is indeed a beautiful track

What do you call CTD? Logout?

I have G27 and shifter on Linux. All you need is a Leo Bodnar adaptor. Costs about £20. Works a treat although reverse doesn't work.

CTD = Crash To Desktop.  This is when GPL crashes and the user is returned to the operating system (Windows or Linux) as opposed to a "Screen Freeze" where GPL crashes but stays running in a locked state (i.e. unresponsive and the only way to stop it is to use the Windows Task Manager or reboot the machine).

We've tried to explain the differences under Trouble Shooting (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/starter) on the page. Without a clear description of what is happening, it is very difficult to workout what the problem is let alone a solution. So it is important to make sure we capture exactly what happened. Hence my point about my CTD only happening after I had crashed and I was off the track (in fact I was spinning in the air!)

that's what I got, I was suspended on a low wall

Is it just an adapter?  Is there any settings software too?

Edit : it's good, I have the answer!

Congrats Tristan, Giovanni, and Doni! It looks Tristan and Doni were the tortoises and Giovanni was the hare. I appreciate Doni's consideration. It was kind of him to let me pass twice. It was nice to see Phil near pole position. I knew he must like this track to be as well prepared as he was.

I did 2+ laps offline before the event. I got two CTDs during that time. One was like Phil's. I had a horrible crash and the other was like Fulvio. I entered the car and while sitting in the pits. It slowly drifted to the left and once it touched the wall, GPL booted me back to the desktop. Prior to this event I had only driven 2.5 or 3.5 laps, three half laps and one or two full laps. The 3 half laps were from CTDs. Every time I'd leave the trees, going up the mountain, I'd run wide in a right hander where there is a parking spot on the left. I'd hit the bank on the left. It would launch the car and I'd get a CTD. Luckily my computer was flawless throughout this event.


That was me Phil. :( I'm glad that's the first time I've done that. Offline I reset a few times because I wasn't sure which direction to go after a major crash. I had no clue I was going the wrong way until I saw you, milliseconds before I clipped you. At that point I had already forgotten I might be going the wrong way. I apologize for that lunacy. I'd have qualified at 19:55 if I hadn't been disqualified for that mistake.

I'm glad I didn't make a huge mess this time. My lack of experience here makes me a real danger. I didn't like being near other cars. I didn't want a car within a few hundred meters behind me. I figured it would be inevitable I'd wreck and my car would take the trailing car out. I didn't want to be too close to a car in front in case they blocked the track.

I like this track. One day I'll learn to drive it well. It is frustrating not knowing where you're going but I'm sure it will be thrilling once I learn it. It's a fantastic addition to GPL. I don't know if it will ever be a good track for close racing but it could be if all the drivers have a good setup and have a lot of experience. Otherwise it's more like a rally stage.

It's a shame Fulvio couldn't practice. I'm glad he was able to start the race. I guess he showed there are still some problems with the pit stall locations.

Thanks for the fun guys and thanks for giving me a good excuse to learn this better.

I've been thinking about this. It should be possible to run a race with 10 second intervals provided everyone understands what to do. We could have a single file grid. The pole sitter sets off on the green flag. Driver 2 moves up to the start line, counts to 10 (so he leaves a 10 seconds gap and then sets off). As drivers 2 moves up to the start line, driver 3 moves up to grid slot 2 (can't stay still because GPL will disco the driver). When driver 2 sets off, driver 3 moves up to the start line and counts 10 seconds before setting off. The process continues until all the drivers have set off.

Positives: No need to take silly risks racing head to head. If you can see the driver ahead you are beating them. Being ahead on the road doesn't mean you are ahead on corrected time. Just like it is in the TT. No need to be super accurate with the 10 second count. I can easily amend the race results so the actual time the driver crossed the start line is the time used to correct the results.

Negatives: A bit more complicated to organise. There is a risk drivers will be discoed whilst waiting to start. So it would be important to have a decent gap in the grid so drivers can spin-up the rears as they take their turn moving forward. That shouldn't be too difficult to organise, the Glencrutchery Road is pretty long and straight.

I wasn't aware of that problem. It is easy to fix, I'll have a go at amending the Pit Stall locations.

Perhaps a fun race in the Christmas break would be another opportunity?

Have the pole sitter back past Governor's Bridge (so everyone gets a full flying start), with 500m or so between grid slots (easy to mod), and use elapsed time to determine race position (like the TT does).

Downsides I can think of: back of grid gets warmer tires to start lap, but needs to remember to load a bit extra fuel.

Another good suggestion, thanks Dean.

I think the key to a good race here is to avoid the necessity to overtake in order to win. To only need to be within 10 seconds of the guy ahead would reduce the risk taking considerably. A bit strange because normally dicing for position is the fun bit; but here the main opposition is the track itself.

A very satisfactory result!  Anytime you get around the IOM twice...let alone, once...without a reset has to be a feather in your cap.  To be sure, I had some bumps along the way with my own errors bouncing off the occasional grass berm but nothing serious.  Most of my dramas involved colliding with or avoiding other cars and they were scattered everywhere it seemed at times.  PHEW!

Grats to all finishers.

FYI...  I burned only 11.3 USG for the two complete laps.

Dean...  When are we going to see you back on track, mate?

Hi Cookie, have you uploaded the server replay to the share site? I can't access it.

sorry

https://www.mediafire.com/file/m3vt2toydlsht2u/UKGPL_8__60fps.2021.05.21.23.24.rpy.7z/file