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Welcome to round 5 of the 1st UKAC GPL67 Series

Salzburg is a historic track in Austria and a popular choice in GPL, the AC version features the more modern layout with chicanes added at the start and end of the start straight.
The 1st chicane after the start features non-collidable tire bundles and a poorly defined race area. The race track is to be defined in this instance as being between the 2 tire bundles - if you drive through them that will be considered corner cutting and normal penalties will be applied.

- UPDATE -
After asking Google how to make stuff solid in AC I've modified the files and created some concrete tire bundles, I've also added some substance to the pit buildings and the loose tires around the first chicane (some are treated as walls as the track allows you to cut there, the 2 nearest the right hand tire bundle are treated as kerbs so you can avoid hitting the big obstacle without totalling your car as are the ones after the 2nd bundle - hit them at speed and you'll likely roll ;) ).

The track link below has been changed to my dropbox for the new layout, I've set it up as an separate track so you won't need to overwrite anything :)


Damage and fuel use:

100% damage
100% fuel use
0% Tire wear (This is actually far more accurate than the mods' built in wear rate and 'fixes' the BRM)
Drivers must complete 50% of each race to score.

With the above in mind you will want to treat the first lap or two very carefully while your tires warm up and you adapt to driving on a heavy fuel load.
The 1st lap will be moderated

As per the 1967 F1 scoring system, each driver will discard their worst 2 scores when the points are calculated at the end of the season (Done for you in LM2)

BoP will be as follows:

Lotus & Eagle = 40Kgs
Ferrari           = 30Kgs

There will be no success ballast.

Practice: 19:30 (45 mins)
Qual: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30  (38 laps)


Track:
 Salzburgring
https://www.dropbox.com/s/en4anqouw62c00q/salzburgring_online.rar?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/en4anqouw62c00q/salzburgring_online.rar?dl=0)


Cars allowed:
3l 1967 F1 from the GPL67 mod.
I've put them on dropbox for now as the original download was apparently VERY slow:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o719sdx2kohk668/AC%20GPL67%20V2.20.rar?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/o719sdx2kohk668/AC%20GPL67%20V2.20.rar?dl=0)

Instructions on installing the carset can be found in the 2nd post of the registration thread - here: https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=24972.msg480312#msg480312 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=24972.msg480312#msg480312)
You MUST follow these instructions in order to install and use the mod:


Live Timing: here (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat) (Only available in the week up to the race)


Time of Day Setting: 15:30
Weather: Clear
Start: Standing
Tyre wear: 0%
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: Not required
Damage: 100%

Server track settings: (Stock FAST setting - temps are same as ever)
SESSION_START=98
RANDOMNESS=2
LAP_GAIN=0.007
SESSION_TRANSFER=80


(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship announcement page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=24972.msg480312#msg480312)

Hi Tim,

I guess you would take into consideration if ever a driver accidentaly cuts this chicane but deliberately slows himself down enough immediately after so that he clearly didn't get any advantage by doing so ?

Yeah, these cars are b*****ds to drive so I can't really expect perfect accuracy from everyone for 50 mins (I'll be amazed if I can manage it frankly, the the series moderator has no hope then the 'punters' don't either ;) ).
Essentially treat the chicane as though the tires are concrete and redress any advantage if you make an error and you'll be good ;D

The rules are quoted as encouragement to make the corner really, it WILL happen in the heat of battle - but I just don't want people taking the mikey

I'm out for this one. I seem to be missing textures for the gravel traps which appear as sky. The track just looks a mess and makes judging distances particularly into the chicane impossible.

Odd - there are comments saying that turning off grass FX in CSP fixes that bug. I haven't changed anything on my system though and it worked properly off the bat so assumed it had been fixed...
Try turning those off and giving it another go :)

i have same issue as GT with the textures completely jumbled up and mirror reflections for gravel etc.  Im assuming its a content manager shaders issue of some sorts  :-\ as we've used this track before without any problems.

Did you try the fix I put in the post above?

Disabling Grass fx in custom shaders patch settings sorted the textures problem.....thanks.

Now who's going to volunteer to stand at that chicane all night and determine the fine line between deliberate/accidental cutting and how much drivers lift when they think they might have cut. I just drove half a dozen laps thinking I was going through cleanly and only realised on the replay my wheels were clipping the tyres every time.

I get that fun :(
But that's why I make a custom camera - I can just leave the replay on fast forward...

It's a shame that those tyres/containers (can't remember) aren't concrete indeed. But if you manage to drive as if you actually were in that car, thanks to a deep immersion, you won't clip them for sure..  :D
I think even a quarter of a wheel should be considered as problematic imo, because if not, everyone will try to brush them all the time, so much time to save in such a place. And the question remains for the qualif, how could we manage that aspect Tim ? (Just popped in my mind..) Couldn't anyone have the skills & tools to edit the track files to make them concrete ? That would make things much better and simpler in the end.  ::)

On a side note : It'll be my last race before at least Goodwood or more likely Monza as I go on holidays.

Sadly my forays into modding haven't got as far as track building. In qualifying we are stuck relying solely on driver honesty.
I need to start as far up as possible in the BRM to minimise how far backwards I then go once the race is underway ;D

IMPORTANT UPDATE!


I've found how to make the tires solid so am hastily throwing together a 'new' track with collidable objects - it will be EXACTLY the same as the one in the link otherwise so just copy your setups across to it.
I'm also taking the opportunity to make the pit buildings solid too after discovering I can drive through all the walls ;D

After the event I'll contact who-ever made the track and see if I can upload it more permanently to RD, or at least continue to use my version here.

I'm saving it under a different track name to prevent people joining with the 'wimpy' version and driving through the tires while the rest of us explode. This also prevents you having to muck about doing backups etc...

I'll change the download link and put a post up once my version is ready :thumbup1:

Great job Tim !!  :clap: :thumbup1: :thumbup2:
I knew you'd be able to do this !  :laugh:

Oww, and as you're used to make miracles, could make my team asking me to be lent to Honda, Ferrari or Lotus for this round ?  :P

Quick update, I'll upload the track to the server and restart it when I get back from walking the dog. So 30 mins or so..
The track link is pointing at my version in the first post if you want to get ahead of me...

The modified track can be found here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/en4anqouw62c00q/salzburgring_online.rar?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/en4anqouw62c00q/salzburgring_online.rar?dl=0)

This is a standalone track so just drop it into your tracks folder as usual. Once it has copied across you should see it appear below Salzburgring in the tracks directory (Online you'll load the correct version automatically once I've reset the server).
The folder name should be "salzburgring_online" just so you're sure you've got it right :)

The server is now live!

Please can people test it and let me know if it works as well on the server as it is on my PC.
(I already know the AI are utterly inept on it as they seem to aim for the tires ;D see here: https://youtu.be/4CYgxXW9ylQ (https://youtu.be/4CYgxXW9ylQ)
I guess this is why the tires have no collision properties...)

Seems to work fine.
One thing I did notice, pitstops will be pretty much impossible, as the stolls are in the building.

Yeah that's still beyond me I'm afraid, but we shouldn't need a scheduled stop - stopping outside the pit and escaping in probably won't give a big penalty.
I'm fine with people doing that if reversing doesn't work for them.

I'm afraid I won't be able to race tonight guys, due to a rising migraine since this afternoon. Or, if I do, it'll be driving to populate the server more than racing.  :'(
Physical activity, sounds and lights aren't for softening the pain.  ::)

What the  :censored: rejoin was that? From off-track to the middle of the track on fastest bend of the track and straight in front of the leader  >:(

I think I have better us for my time than be training for the races that I get crashed out everytime I am going for the win. That was my championship over by the backmarker that could not re-join the track safely.

Admin note: Please refrain from using strong swear words

 ;D The only thing that did not hit me tonight was the cow looking over the fence, ;D Wiped out first corner racing incident I suppose but then had to sit in pits for two minutes. This doesn't seem fair. Felt like quitting but carried on and finished race albeit three laps down.

I'm 1000 times sorry for you Jukka.  :-\ :'(
I got badly taken out directly into the rail by Jari who lost the control of his car in the inside. My car crashed into that wall at a high speed. I then was rejoigning the track quite slowly but the car didn't want to turn left, if you watch the replay you'll see that I was really turning my wheel trying to get the car doing about what I wanted her to do, but no way. Then I even tried to lower my turning radius to find some efficiency, I was looking for that turning-left ability when I felt the crash. The worst in the story is that it was a question of a few centimeters only..  :-X If I had been wise enough, I'd have quit the race right after my car hit the barrier, but I believed I might have a chance that she wasn't that heavily damaged unfortunately.
Man, I'm truely feeling sorry and I present all my apologies to you. I get your angry of course, though I can't do anything now to save that damn sh**ty moment.  :'(

It was just an unfortunate episode, guys.
I understand the disappointment and nervousness, but ....

keep calm and carry on!

The point is that once back on the very outside of the track, I couldn't make anything to make that car staying on the safe side..  :'(

But I do understand the big disappointment/angry from Jukka, he didn't deserve such a bad luck of course.

While I understand your frustration it's worth reminding you that we are using UKGPLs' scoring system for this series - everyone will automatically drop their 2 worst scores at the end of the season.
While any bad result is unwanted, if you were to finish the rest of the season finishing only 1st and 2nd then last night wouldn't affect you in any way :)

first race of the series i could attend due to other race clashes. Was running 5th until whilst 6/10ths up on my best lap, i shaved a tyre stack a little too closely in the final chicane, ripped my front wing off and gave me suspension damage that left my wheel at near 90degs. Limped the short distance to the pits but no stall for repairs so dnf'd.  :(

Cant say i enjoyed the ffb/handling of the car. Felt very un-f1 like to me. The car was yawing like a crazy thing in the turns.

Similar tale to MJ here, I hit the tyre bales in last chicane but fortunately I got away with just losing my front end and no suspension damage so was able to continue.

That last section was really bad in the fezza and I had to do some pretty drastic setup changes to stop my backend swaying all over the place. I even checked some old footage to see if that's how these cars behaved back in the day, they didn't  ::)

Must admit I'm not looking forward to Fonteny and I'm not motivated to spend hours learning a fantasy track so will just take it as it comes. Rest of the season looks cool though so I'll stick with it.

You need to remember these are modelled on GPL cars which had a nasty torque converter style drive train - that was always trying to throw the cars sideways on coast - drive the Kunos one if you want realism and you'll soon be complaining that they were too precise and snappy ;)
You might need to lower the rear ride height relative to the front if the rear end is constantly trying to swap, the Ferrari handles like a dream as far as I'm concerned so it should just be setup.

You'll really be missing out if you skip Fonteny, it's a masterpiece in pretty much every way. In VR it's mind blowing  :angel:

BRM was awfull here, no brakes, no speed, no nothing. Sorry Maxime for T2, I try to escape to right and so did you :o , I couldn't steer properly due suspension damage...

Maxime, first thing you need to do when you are planning to rejoin track is to make sure there is no-one coming hot in close proximity. If you had done that you would know to hit brakes immediately when you noticed your car is not turning and kept it safely in side of the track. As you said you crawled so you would have easily made the car stop before going in the middle of the track.  So it was not bad luck but bad and irresponsible driving.

Fabri, you are the second guy that took pretty sure win from me when you accelerated on round 1 start even when you didn´t know where others are. In real life that would be like starting the race even when you got blind at start but start anyways... pretty sure you would have lost your superlicense if you had done that in real life. So coming from you it is not really convincing to say it was just unfortunate episode. It was bad and irresponsible driving on both cases.

Tim, if I would have been able to finish the race wins would have been 3-1 (3-2 if I would had not been taken out on first round too. Pretty sure I could have won that because I could catch leaders that had almost 20s gap)  between me and Lorenzo, now it is 4-0 and 5 races left so I would have to win them all to win the championship. And past 5 races I have been knock out from lead 2 times so there is no chance to win them all. My list of second places does not help me at all with this scoring system.

Why not? If you win the next 5 then you have 5 wins and 3 seconds.
Remove Lorenzo's current worst 2 and he'll be on 3 wins and 5 seconds (or worse).

Lets say you win 4 more, Lorenzo has the best chance of winning any remainder of course but we could still get a surprise, probably at Fonteny as it's such a big fast dangerous course so anything may happen and anyone could win!
To win the season you don't even need all wins, you just need to beat Lorenzo - and if bad luck is flying around then sooner or later it'll hit him too (in fact it already has, I won at Sandown as a backmarker span into him).

These accidents have certainly put a knock in your points so far but they certainly haven't removed your chance of winning the season - technically speaking even I can still win it, providing you take a few 2nd spots away from Lorenzo and I (somehow) win everything still to come.
Of course that can't happen for me because of my car choice - but then I knew that going in and just wanted to see where I could finish in the boat ;D

Jukka, my comment was just to calm the water. Your less.
You and Tim are my heroes and I am the first of your fans.

You are wrong to remember the episode in the first race, it happened, I can't go back.
You are also wrong to think that win was taken away from you because of the contact at the first corner. You were few seconds behind Tim for most of the race, but unable to close the gap. The race leader was killed in a lappening instead.
In real life there are no fps issues or anything like that, so your example is a useless one. Besides the fact that those who have really raced know that these things can happen. The nervous lasts a day at most, then we all go for a beer together.

It can also happen that a lapped guy makes you finish the race, this happens from karts to F1, and you always know.

The same goes for Maxime, a very clean and fair player. It happened, amen.

So as your fan, Jukka, I tell you not to think about the past, but to look to the future and concentrate as hard as possible to win and beat Lorenzo. You can do it!

Nice to hear you have respect against me Fabri. Funny you say I can beat Lorenzo on future races and same time say that I could have not done that in first race because I think I could. I was way down on Tim and Lorenzo after first lap but did close the gap and if I would have been leading I would have had same pace and be able to pull gap there. Of course I know there are accidents that could take your win but what amazes me is that you do not see the difference between accident and bad decision. I am not saying you or Maxime are not fair racers but people can also make bad decisions and I think people can learn from them.

I have too much anger and frustration on my life because my recent (supricing) divorce to have any more anger and frustration added on top of that from one thing that has been giving me pleasure on this situation so I must quit this series to protect myself from getting more anger and frustration to my life from (from my point of view) bad decisions from others that mean anger and frustration to me.

So have great racing all. And maybe we see later.

Lorenzo, you were clearly faster on those three races and deserve my respect for that and if you end up winning the championship you earned that on my books with those three races. I hoped I could have been there to challenge you for championship since these are my favourite cars. Hopefully Tim can give you challege on remaining races like he did on Pinewoods (great job there Tim)

Man, why those harsh words on Fabri when your angry is towards me ? He only was underlyning the reality of the unlucky/unfortunate moments every driver experiments a day or another. He wouldn't have lost his superlicense for this several weeks ago event (!) in real life as he wouldn't have experienced a laggy server/PC in the heat of the action by the way. When I experience lags or stutters, it's almost always in the very heat of some action, so it just can't be anticipated. And there is no "pretty sure win" at T1 L1, ever, sorry to say.


I'll try to stay as synthetic as possible :

1) Once again, I really, sincerely get all your frustration/disappointment and even angry at first. But then, Jukka, when a driver offers his best apologies to you, why keeping all that acrimony, talking about "bad and irresponsible driving"... I mean, perhaps they're not the best words to use when you got half a week to think about what happened.

2) "coming hot in close proximity" : Not so easy you might admit when the cars enter this curve from a 280km/h braking to about 195km/h minimum, and even less likely when your car is coming exactly from my dead angle : I can't see you coming from my right, nor from my back as you're in the in-between. I can't hear you neither, and my Helicorsa doesn't show you before the contact.

3) "If you had done that you would know to hit brakes immediately when you noticed your car is not turning and kept it safely in side of the track. As you said you crawled so you would have easily made the car stop before going in the middle of the track." : I get what you point out of course but there is a small bit of time that you spend in a "WTF" moment first you know, you can't really expect your car not to turn when you turn your wheel that much. Grass travel time doesn't count as it's always a no-grip situation of course, even at rather low speed. Then why not hit the brakes ? Well, when you cross a railroad and see the train coming, you don't hit the brakes, you try to pass and pray it will be good. I was crawling at 50km/h  when at the very best I could have got that my car wasn't turning and that I might be a danger for other cars to come. If was jumping on brakes at this moment, I'd have ended in the middle of the track. I'm pretty sure no one would spontaneously do that. Probably you're right that in this very situation it would have allowed you to pass through, but it wasn't as easy to analyse as you pretend.

4) Maybe you could take into consideration that I just had been taken out of the race too..

I'm sincerely sorry to read about your actual real life difficulties and wish you better things asap. It's up to you to quit or not this series but maybe you could continue it looking only at the fun side of the things ?

Regards.

Congratulations Lorenzo!
Good work. :thumbup2:

Not ment to be harsh against anyone.

Sure there is no lag in real life but you can imagine someone to get something in his eyes that makes him loose vision at start... pretty sure that driver does not start race in real life, and if he would and crash because of that I think he would have gotten severe punishment.

Saying sorry would have been good if it would not have been followed by saying that me just having bad luck and you not being able to do anything to prevent this from happening.

There are plenty of other apps that I think everyone should use to know what is going on around to prevent this kind of things from happening (for example realtime plugin that shows who is in front of you and who is behind and how far).

I understand you had accident... I have had them too and understand that they are part of racing and if you had spin in front of me that collected me I would have had different feelings about all this

Thanks Clive!!!