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Title: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 28, 2021, 02:24:07 PM +0100
Championship standings HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1072&theme=5)

TRACK #7

Grid/server capacity: 22

Track: Goodwood

Cars allowed: AC Shelby Cobra 289 FIA (not standard GTL cars)

PM WT for track/car download pack

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (10 mins)
Race: 20:30 (34 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit stops: Not Required

Server: simracing.org.uk Wednesday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on June 12, 2021, 11:22:35 PM +0100
Robby has a strange problem with the car. I try to help him but without a luck. We try different car on Goodwood and it worked, so the problem is with the car. Even with vanilla installation and new profile the game keeps terminating the .exe when we try to enter the server. The strange thing is that i don't have problems on my PC. All other cars in Robby's install are working btw.

Meanwhile there are differences in the skins - some are with more weight and more top speed.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Hristo Itchov on June 13, 2021, 12:44:21 AM +0100
Meanwhile there are differences in the skins - some are with more weight and more top speed.

Just came to say that. The top 2 cars are lighter and less powerful than the rest. Do we ignore those 2?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 13, 2021, 01:30:33 AM +0100
Meanwhile there are differences in the skins - some are with more weight and more top speed.

Just came to say that. The top 2 cars are lighter and less powerful than the rest. Do we ignore those 2?
No, they can be used if you want to take them. That is how the mod creator packaged them and I saw no reason to edit them out.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 13, 2021, 01:39:18 AM +0100
Robby has a strange problem with the car. I try to help him but without a luck. We try different car on Goodwood and it worked, so the problem is with the car. Even with vanilla installation and new profile the game keeps terminating the .exe when we try to enter the server. The strange thing is that i don't have problems on my PC. All other cars in Robby's install are working btw.

Meanwhile there are differences in the skins - some are with more weight and more top speed.
All works fine with my install. Robby might consider deleting the cars and re-installing them.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Hristo Itchov on June 13, 2021, 03:43:46 AM +0100
No, they can be used if you want to take them. That is how the mod creator packaged them and I saw no reason to edit them out.

Thanks, Tony. Got to say the lighter version seems easier to drive and just as fast per lap as the heavier one.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Christian Dauger on June 13, 2021, 08:13:23 AM +0100
For me everything works (for once) But I was alone on the server.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on June 13, 2021, 11:21:39 AM +0100
Did you wrote all i said Tony? We reinstal the game and made new profile and it's still not working. Why you suggest the same thing to us?

BTW there's some nice Goodwood action for you to enjoy: https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2020/6/video-ridiculous-mini-vs.-alfa-gta-track-battle-at-goodwood/


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 13, 2021, 12:02:36 PM +0100
Did you wrote all i said Tony? We reinstal the game and made new profile and it's still not working. Why you suggest the same thing to us?

BTW there's some nice Goodwood action for you to enjoy: https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2020/6/video-ridiculous-mini-vs.-alfa-gta-track-battle-at-goodwood/
Because you said all his other cars work Ok.

BTW More relevant Goodwood action  ;)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekVQX6tMy78


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Hristo Itchov on June 15, 2021, 01:49:03 AM +0100
After some more testing with DD, we've concluded that the the lighter spec car (top 2 skins/numbers), is quicker than the heavier spec car by around 0.5 sec a lap. On the other hand, the heavier car is more predictable and forgiving to drive.

If anyone needs a base setup, I've uploaded both of my setups to the online database.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Erling G-P on June 15, 2021, 09:19:24 AM +0100
I tried both of them yesterday and as you guys, I was a little faster in the lighter car - by about 0.2 - 0.3 secs.   With the heavier car, I was quicker with the lower gearing and found it easier to drive.  Kept feeling that the higher gearing should potentially be quicker, but no matter how much I tried, I couldn't better the time I did with the lower one, first and foremost because the car kept getting out of shape for me, being trickier to drive.  With the lighter car, I had to use the higher gearing, as the low one was way too low.

This was with one of my own Cobra setups, back from the Cobra/Corvette series, but will try yours Hristo.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 15, 2021, 10:19:50 AM +0100
The two hard top cars use a 50mm narrower tyre according to the tyre specs.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on June 15, 2021, 12:16:07 PM +0100
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZw23kX7B6E

This is the link for the test yesterday, if someone want's to take a look. And Hristo's setups are online. And they are perfect, at least for me.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Geoffers on June 15, 2021, 03:52:15 PM +0100
Having now got GTL back working with my G29 I was hoping to join this race but for some reason the car crashes the game. Here is the last few lines of the trace file, could the experts tell me what is wrong?

vidman.cpp   1237: Entered VidMan::Init()
ai_db.cpp    2143: Entered AIDatabase::Init()
steward.cpp  4680: Entered Steward::Init()
steward.cpp  1403: Could not find light "PTLIT02"
hwinput.cpp  6426: Entered HWInput::Init()
specialfx.cp 3255: Entered SpecialFX::Init()
dynman.cpp    674: Entered DynMan::Init()
slot.cpp      291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp   2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TRACKVEHICLES\SAFETYCAR\SAFETYCAR.CAS)
slot.cpp      291: Entered Slot::Init()
pitmod.cpp    194: Entered PitAction::Init
AnimationLoa   24: AnimationLoader::Load(PitCrew.ani)
vehgfx.cpp   2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\GTC-65\AC SHELBY COBRA 289 FIA\#148 SHELBY AMERICAN RACING 1964\..\AC_COBRA.CAS)
vehgfx.cpp   2552: Unable to read USERDATA\LOG\vehgen.scn: Error loading global material RAIN_ANIM
vehgfx.cpp   2607: Could not find instance "SLOT000"


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: phspok on June 15, 2021, 04:17:51 PM +0100
Looks somewhat familiar to this?
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=17592.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=17592.0)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 15, 2021, 04:45:08 PM +0100
Looks somewhat familiar to this?
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=17592.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=17592.0)
Well remembered Matt. And Geoffers trace looks a lot like the problem Robby has been getting too.

I'll re-read whatever we did to fix at Portland and report back soon.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 15, 2021, 04:55:34 PM +0100
Ok, so if your having a problem getting these cars to run please download these files

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19sqQpUL-4SI1-sbTSvZOuEMtMGPWdilw/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Hk14YsIV-4NzwbCPGJO6iMsDEKV75p-x/view?usp=sharing

And put them in your AC Shelby Cobra 289 FIA folder and allow to overwrite.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on June 15, 2021, 05:05:43 PM +0100
Yes, Tony, Robby has absolutely the same trace file.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Geoffers on June 15, 2021, 05:58:45 PM +0100
Yep, well remembered Matt, totally forgotten about it myself. But it must be some setting that I am running that is causing the problem if it is OK for others. Any suggestions?



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Robby82 on June 15, 2021, 06:12:29 PM +0100
Hi guys, Tony's fix worked for me! After almost a week of working on the problem you guys came up with a solution, thank you!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 15, 2021, 06:59:21 PM +0100
But it must be some setting that I am running that is causing the problem if it is OK for others.
Robby had the exact same problem too so maybe you need to compare running specs?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Geoffers on June 15, 2021, 11:07:47 PM +0100
OK, I have done a little trial & error & found the culprit. In Options menu, Advanced, it is the High Detail Wheels which is causing the problem, that option needs to be ticked then all works OK.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Erling G-P on June 15, 2021, 11:29:26 PM +0100
OK, I have done a little trial & error & found the culprit. In Options menu, Advanced, it is the High Detail Wheels which is causing the problem, that option needs to be ticked then all works OK.

This rings a bell; seem to recall it being mentioned as required in certain past races, but not sure.

Just finished a lengthy praccy session trying Hristo's setups, regrettably without anyone else joining in.   For the heavy car, I was surprised to find his also using the low gearing.  I'm running out of revs, and with the presumed higher speeds he would attain, I'd expect it to be even more of a problem for him.  Setup gave me problems in the chicane - if I braked into it, the car would almost invariably snap either left or right, causing loss of control - and time.  Thus never able to match or better my time with my own setup, which is more forgiving in that situation.

Different story with the light car. Here Hristo's setup allowed me to knock 0.7 sec off my pb, getting down to 1:23.0 - and having tremendous fun while doing it!  :D  Was with a light fuel load though.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 15, 2021, 11:35:53 PM +0100
OK, I have done a little trial & error & found the culprit. In Options menu, Advanced, it is the High Detail Wheels which is causing the problem, that option needs to be ticked then all works OK.
Great detective work there Geoffers  :detective:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 16, 2021, 12:07:01 PM +0100
My PB in either style of car is a 1:25.5 in race setup.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on June 16, 2021, 01:07:06 PM +0100
Nice pace Erling! I think my best was just 0.5 faster.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Erling G-P on June 16, 2021, 01:13:03 PM +0100
Nice pace Erling! I think my best was just 0.5 faster.

Think it was a little better - from your video I believe you & Hristo were both around 1:22.0  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Geoffers on June 16, 2021, 01:21:09 PM +0100
All better than me, mid 1.23s here & I cannot see anywhere I can go any faster.  ???


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Christian Dauger on June 16, 2021, 02:09:03 PM +0100
Hi,
Someone would be kind enough to send me one of your setup ... ;)
 Curiously, I can not access the files online in the game ... (another weird thing .. GTL)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on June 16, 2021, 02:17:17 PM +0100
Nice pace Erling! I think my best was just 0.5 faster.

Think it was a little better - from your video I believe you & Hristo were both around 1:22.0  :)

Nope. I finish the session with 22.5 with option for 2 more tents but i was unable to clinch them. :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Daz9 on June 16, 2021, 03:45:15 PM +0100
Only tried the soft top version, so can't comment on differences, but 1.22s were where I was also......Can't claim to be huge on the Cobras, but this was more entertaining than I remember any other being in GTL, but was absolutely capable of still killing me if I let it.....


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Geoffers on June 16, 2021, 03:49:33 PM +0100
Down to 1.23.0 now with the heavy car, which is what i will be taking.

Did try Hristo's setup, but although it seemed more stable than mine I could not get it to turn as well as I wanted & was around 0.5s slower with it.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on June 16, 2021, 04:10:50 PM +0100
Hi,
Someone would be kind enough to send me one of your setup ... ;)
 Curiously, I can not access the files online in the game ... (another weird thing .. GTL)

I will send you a PM in a moment.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Christian Dauger on June 16, 2021, 04:33:52 PM +0100
Thanks, Dimitar ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: phspok on June 16, 2021, 07:10:38 PM +0100
Sorry, couldn't resist the opportunity  ::)
Here is a real world run round Goodwood in my Honda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF7S_Ha6ITM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF7S_Ha6ITM)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Hristo Itchov on June 16, 2021, 07:15:19 PM +0100
Sorry, couldn't resist the opportunity  ::)
Here is a real world run round Goodwood in my Honda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF7S_Ha6ITM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF7S_Ha6ITM)

Great stuff, Matt!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Christian Dauger on June 16, 2021, 07:31:30 PM +0100
 :thumbup2:
Sorry, couldn't resist the opportunity  ::)
Here is a real world run round Goodwood in my Honda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF7S_Ha6ITM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF7S_Ha6ITM)

 :thumbup2:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 16, 2021, 09:57:11 PM +0100
Results and replay now posted.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Hristo Itchov on June 16, 2021, 11:20:02 PM +0100
Robby, a piece of advice: when you want to let through someone lapping you, don't lift up or brake right in the middle of a corner while the other car is behind you...


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: EvilClive on June 17, 2021, 09:10:18 AM +0100
 Grats to the podium guys and I wish that I could have enjoyed these brutes around Goodwood. But as may have been obvious, I was having some problems  ::). 

Until I have resolved the issues that I am having with my G25 steering wheel in GTL, I will probably not take part in any races. I might dip in for spractice/qualifying to test things "online".

 Last night it was almost impossible to keep the car on the tarmac on the straights at Goodwood, where most fast sections involve curves.  The delay between steering input with the G25 and the game actually responding was a lottery and basically I had no feel for where the car was and where it was going to go. Trying to anticipate each small steering correction by 0.5secs, and degree of input, without immediate feedback proved an absolute nightmare so I quit the race after only 2 laps before the fast guys started lapping.

Over the next few days I intend to strip down the wheel and check out the internals, but I am half suspecting that the answer does not lie there. The problems that I have are most pronounced in GTL and barely noticeable in GPL, so I am suspecting something in the software??


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Hristo Itchov on June 17, 2021, 11:21:21 AM +0100
Grats to the podium guys and I wish that I could have enjoyed these brutes around Goodwood. But as may have been obvious, I was having some problems  ::). 

Until I have resolved the issues that I am having with my G25 steering wheel in GTL, I will probably not take part in any races. I might dip in for spractice/qualifying to test things "online".

 Last night it was almost impossible to keep the car on the tarmac on the straights at Goodwood, where most fast sections involve curves.  The delay between steering input with the G25 and the game actually responding was a lottery and basically I had no feel for where the car was and where it was going to go. Trying to anticipate each small steering correction by 0.5secs, and degree of input, without immediate feedback proved an absolute nightmare so I quit the race after only 2 laps before the fast guys started lapping.

Over the next few days I intend to strip down the wheel and check out the internals, but I am half suspecting that the answer does not lie there. The problems that I have are most pronounced in GTL and barely noticeable in GPL, so I am suspecting something in the software??

I googled a bit about it and found a possible solution:

"Removing the mouse and connecting the wheel to a separate set of USB ports fixed it."

Have you tried something like that?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: EvilClive on June 17, 2021, 01:49:19 PM +0100
Thanks H,
I was aware that the G25 was designed when USB2 ( black sockets) was the standard connection and there have been many reports of people with more modern PCs having issues when they plug into the newer USB3 ( blue ) sockets. I had never noticed any issues with that until now, but your comments might be relevant.
There are 2 x USB2 and 4 x USB3 sockets on the rear of the PC plus 2 x USB3 on the front top of the case.
I recently added a new bank of USB3 sockets as I was at capacity with mouse/ keyboard/ printers/ scanners/ wheel/ pedals/gearshift etc. This was an external bank of 5 USB sockets with its own power supply which occupied one of the original PC sockets, but effectively gave me 4 extra options. All of the new sockets are USB3.
BUT!! When I installed these extra sockets I had to drag my PC out from under my desk ( it's dark and scary under there!!) which necessitated the unplugging of ALL the wiring behind. I have a couple of small bulkhead lights on the underside of the desk so that I can crawl in and see what I am doing with all of the leads and plugs.
There is no way that I can guarantee that all of those USB leads ( including the G25 ) went back in the same order, so this p.m. I will try switching a few leads around before I dismantle the wheel.

Something that I have noticed with GTL and my Bodnar cables is the configuring of the controls within the menu options.  When all cables passed through the G25 base unit in the standard Logitech install the Joystick options only listed Logitech G25 Wheel. Now, it sees the G25 as one joystick, the Bodnar gearshift as another joystick and the pedals as a 3rd joystick. I have to be very careful which joystick option I select if I am assigning axis etc.  Just a warning to others to look out for that if they go the Bodnar route.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: EvilClive on June 17, 2021, 03:24:59 PM +0100
R.I.P. G25  :(

stripped down the wheel this afternoon and discovered what I feared. The small plastic encoder disk on the shaft of one of the motors was cracked.
This means that it is no longer a press fit onto the shaft and is slipping when it should be sending pulses to GTL. Plus at the point where it is cracked, there is a wider space between the slits of the disk which would give a non-linear signal at that point.  End result = dodgy steering.  :-\

Wheel is currently in a di-assembled state and I see no point in rebuilding it unless a cheap repair can be found.

So, options are :-
to find a supplier of the encoder disks and replace the broken one. Downside is that I know Logitech do not supply these any more and anyway the wheel is probably nearing the end of its life cycle after many years of hard treatment.

or
Buy a new wheel  :scared:
I had been contemplating buying a Thrustmaster T300 sometime this year as an upgrade, but I have read some disturbing reviews on line about overheating/burning out. Anyone have any inside knowledge on that?
or I could try and gazump Geoffers' order for his Fanatec and re-direct it to chez nous?

Off to the Interweb to research options.........................

I knew there was a reason I was not winning races!!! ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Erling G-P on June 17, 2021, 03:42:43 PM +0100
or
Buy a new wheel  :scared:
I had been contemplating buying a Thrustmaster T300 sometime this year as an upgrade, but I have read some disturbing reviews on line about overheating/burning out. Anyone have any inside knowledge on that?
or I could try and gazump Geoffers' order for his Fanatec and re-direct it to chez nous?

Off to the Interweb to research options.........................

I knew there was a reason I was not winning races!!! ::)


I have a Thrustmaster TX 'Ferrari 458 Italia Edition'.  Mine has a built-in fan that kicks in occationally, so no overheating so far.  The clamping system is driving me bonkers though.  Can't say how it compares to the T300, but looking at a review, the base seems to be the same.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: SpecialKS on June 17, 2021, 03:55:31 PM +0100
R.I.P. G25  :(

stripped down the wheel this afternoon and discovered what I feared. The small plastic encoder disk on the shaft of one of the motors was cracked.
This means that it is no longer a press fit onto the shaft and is slipping when it should be sending pulses to GTL. Plus at the point where it is cracked, there is a wider space between the slits of the disk which would give a non-linear signal at that point.  End result = dodgy steering.  :-\

Wheel is currently in a di-assembled state and I see no point in rebuilding it unless a cheap repair can be found.

So, options are :-
to find a supplier of the encoder disks and replace the broken one. Downside is that I know Logitech do not supply these any more and anyway the wheel is probably nearing the end of its life cycle after many years of hard treatment.

or
Buy a new wheel  :scared:
I had been contemplating buying a Thrustmaster T300 sometime this year as an upgrade, but I have read some disturbing reviews on line about overheating/burning out. Anyone have any inside knowledge on that?
or I could try and gazump Geoffers' order for his Fanatec and re-direct it to chez nous?

Off to the Interweb to research options.........................

I knew there was a reason I was not winning races!!! ::)


Had the plastic encoder wheel broken two or three years ago - a very frequent issue with the G25.

Bought a new metal one at ebay.de from a German seller for a much higher price (more than € 40) than found here - from China & UK sellers:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=logitech+g25+steering+wheel+optical+encoder+metall&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_PrefLoc=1 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=logitech+g25+steering+wheel+optical+encoder+metall&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_PrefLoc=1)
but it still works.

Instructions available here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhYpWAmZVjQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhYpWAmZVjQ)


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Result (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2021//16062021_Goodwood)


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Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Geoffers on June 17, 2021, 04:25:23 PM +0100
If you are stuck Clive, you are welcome to my old Driving Force Pro wheel. It was still working fine when I bought my G29 about 4 years ago, been in the loft since. No idea if it will work with the rest of your setup though.  ???


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on June 17, 2021, 04:37:34 PM +0100
This is similar to mine and it's exactly what Hristo has. Brilliant wheel.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Hristo Itchov on June 17, 2021, 04:45:58 PM +0100
DFP is not bad, but its FFB is definitely not on par with the newer and better wheels. As for T300, I've had friends complain about overheating as well, plus its pedals suck, so I don't recommend it. I'd still go with a G27-G29 for something like GTL and even newer sims. Outside of that, it's a big difference in terms of pricing for the really good wheels such as TS-PC Racer or the Fanatec wheels.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Daz9 on June 17, 2021, 05:51:02 PM +0100
I would put good money on that problem having been developing for a while before finally failing properly as well Clive....

I have used Fanatec for the last 12 years or so, and am therefore probably biased.

I have used G25 and G27, and have also used the Thrustmaster T500 in the past, but never even seen the T300 so can't comment.

I will say this, the G25/27 were OK, but nowhere near as nice to use as my sons CSL Elite, never mind the Clubsport I have. The lack of smoothness of the FFB is the biggest thing..... I would be looking at the prices those CSL Elite bases are going for second hand if I wanted a decent deal, being as a good few people will be trading up for the DD version Geoff has spoken about.

DFP for cheap in the meantime would be a good stopgap, or I have a Fanatec GT3RS I am no longer using if that would be of interest Clive.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: EvilClive on June 17, 2021, 06:20:33 PM +0100
Thanks for all of the feedback and the offers of various wheels ( Geoffers and Daz  :thumbup1: ).

I have consulted with fellow some GPL'ers, and my domestic financial controller, and from what I can find the Thrustmaster T300 looks like the best value for money. A Fanatec would be nice, but I really cannot justify the cost and anyway it appears that virtually all Fanatec products are out of stock until further notice.  So, I am expecting to have a T300 in my sweaty hands tomorrow. Without a wheel I could go into cold turkey.  :taz:

Daz's suggestion that things have been failing for a while is probably bang on. I was becoming increasingly frustrated with my simracing performances and now I wonder if it was all linked to lack of direction ?? or at least lack of directional control. Not so many incidents here at GTL, but over in GPL I have had a string of contact incidents that are not normally part of my repertoire. Having said that I have now exposed myself if I don't improve results in the coming months.

For Sale.  A kit that will (almost )  constitute a working G25 when correctly assembled. No reasonable offer refused.  ;D



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 18, 2021, 12:08:28 PM +0100
@ Robby

Do not know why but we are unable to contact you via pm.

Are you able to send messages via pm?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on June 18, 2021, 01:33:42 PM +0100
Robby: "A few days ago I tried to change my email from  :censored: to  :censored:. I messed up the spelling and tried to use my old login, but to no avail and thus without access. Can this be rectified soon, please?"

Admin note: Probably not the best idea to post email addresses on a public facing forum.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 18, 2021, 02:55:35 PM +0100
Seems Robby has stuffed his forum rights somehow. He is no longer listed as a member. No idea if it can be fixed or not but I have asked for it to be looked into.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: EvilClive on June 18, 2021, 03:35:35 PM +0100
A shiny new Thrustmaster wheel bolted to my rig. All appears to work OK even with the Bodnar cables and using the Logitech shifter and pedals. After years of driving a Logitech I am finding the lack of a centre dead zone to feel very odd. The smoothness and precision of this wheel will require some adapting to......getting my excuses in early  ;) ;D

Only one query. I cannot get any FF in GTL?? despite setting it to FULL within the controls menu. Also tried revering effects , but still no joy.

FF definitely works as I have also tried GPL and discovered just how strong this T300 is!!! lol

Is there something in the GTL config that I need to activate perhaps?


re Robby's issue. Is it simply the FORUM login that he has screwed? or the lobby login for races?
I seem to recall that when I lost lobby login details about 18 months ago I created a new ID and pword. If Robby's forum probs cannot be resolved by the admin, I suggest that he creates a virgin Gmail account and keep it specifically for GTL/gaming issues, plus a new "Robby ID" and pword for the forum.....What I do now with all of my login stuff is to keep a small notebook ( the paper sort!!)  alongside my PC and everything and anything that might be of use goes in there. Logins and email/pwords at the back and details of car sets and series/setups in the front.



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Daz9 on June 18, 2021, 03:59:24 PM +0100
Have you tried using the different presets for the FFB to see if that changes anything at all Clive?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Christian Dauger on June 18, 2021, 04:10:03 PM +0100
A shiny new Thrustmaster wheel bolted to my rig. All appears to work OK even with the Bodnar cables and using the Logitech shifter and pedals. After years of driving a Logitech I am finding the lack of a centre dead zone to feel very odd. The smoothness and precision of this wheel will require some adapting to......getting my excuses in early  ;) ;D

Only one query. I cannot get any FF in GTL?? despite setting it to FULL within the controls menu. Also tried revering effects , but still no joy.

FF definitely works as I have also tried GPL and discovered just how strong this T300 is!!! lol

Is there something in the GTL config that I need to activate perhaps?


well, you were quick !! ;)
I'm interested to know the gain with GPL compared to the g25 / 27, of course on the dead zone, but still ... (and on GTL)
(but you haven't tried Linux yet ...?)

For ffb, maybe reinstall the software / driver Thrustmaster ...
In the plr, maybe a line that would be reset to 0


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on June 18, 2021, 05:35:42 PM +0100
Race replay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGUh_Cf8-F0


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Hristo Itchov on June 18, 2021, 06:02:37 PM +0100
A shiny new Thrustmaster wheel bolted to my rig. All appears to work OK even with the Bodnar cables and using the Logitech shifter and pedals. After years of driving a Logitech I am finding the lack of a centre dead zone to feel very odd. The smoothness and precision of this wheel will require some adapting to......getting my excuses in early  ;) ;D

Only one query. I cannot get any FF in GTL?? despite setting it to FULL within the controls menu. Also tried revering effects , but still no joy.

FF definitely works as I have also tried GPL and discovered just how strong this T300 is!!! lol

Is there something in the GTL config that I need to activate perhaps?

Congrats, Clive! Now we're done for!  ;D

No idea about FFB though. Perhaps someone with a similar wheel can shed some info about that. I tried googling for your issue but couldn't find anything specific. Hope you manage to resolve it


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 18, 2021, 07:43:01 PM +0100
@ Robby - you should be re-instated now. Please don't  :censored: up anything else.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: Robby82 on June 19, 2021, 01:29:34 AM +0100
When the Thrustmaster wheel is initiated from the website there is a program that is uploaded. That is where one may change the FFB settings for the wheel. If you don't use this it defaults to 80% overall and everything else a full 100%. If that prog isn't there then one needs to reinitiate the wheel again and look for that prog, although it should come up as a shortcut on the desktop. Very important to have this. I hope this helps.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 21 The Top 12 Tracks - Goodwood - Jun 16
Post by: EvilClive on June 19, 2021, 11:34:11 AM +0100
Thanks for the various advice guys. I have eventually found the T300 setup menu, thanks Robby.
 
I think that I have found the missing FF problem, but time and several re boots will confirm that all is sorted. The old Logitech Gaming Software had not fully "uninstalled" and I discovered that there was an element(s) still running in the background via Task manager. It looks like the basic Logitech profiler was initiated at PC boot and it was grabbing the resources before the Thrustmaster?
Now I have fully uninstalled and deleted all reference to Logitech, even though I am still running the shifter and  3 pedal Logitech setup for the moment. But these items are running via Bodnar connections, so actually are no longer dependent upon Logitech software.

FF now working in GTL, so I just need to adjust wheel settings to my preference over the next few days and learn how to drive again  ::)

@Christian
Initial impression of the T300 is that it has a much smoother and heavier action than the G25, but I think it will take a week or two to tweak all the settings ( degrees of rotation/FF levels/sensitivity etc ). I realise now just how worn/broken that my G25 was, so the difference is probably bigger than if I compared a working G25 to the T300?