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Title: UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021) 1967 F1 Grand Prix - Reims - Jun 11
Post by: EvilClive on June 11, 2021, 12:12:34 PM +0100
Season 38 – 1967 Grand Prix F1 – Round 10 – Reims
The tenth race in the 1967 GP series finds us at Reims in France.  The circuit is basically several long straights with a couple of hairpins and a few cornfields. Catching a tow is what this track is about. It normally produces close racing. Reims-Gueux was first established in 1926 on the public roads between the small French villages of Thillois and Gueux. The circuit had two very long straights between the towns, and teams strove to maximize straight-line speed of their cars; many slipstream battles ensued. Race organizers actually felled trees and demolished old houses in order to make the circuit even quicker. International racing came with the first official Formula One event occurring in 1950, the inaugural year of the Formula One world championship. The circuit layout was shortened and changed in 1952 to bypass the town. In the 1954 race, the long-awaited Mercedes W196 with its straight-8 fuel-injection engine made its debut with Juan Manuel Fangio transferring from Maserati to join an otherwise all-German line-up of Hans Herrmann, Karl Kling and pre-war driver Hermann Lang. It was a dominant return with Fangio recording a practice lap of 124.31 mph. He and Kling led away and continued to race side by side around the Reims track. The Ferrari drivers simply couldn't cope with the pace. There was no race at Reims in 1955 and when the Grand Prix circus returned in 1956, it was without the silver arrows. Fangio dominated again but this time in a resurgent Ferrari team who's drivers also claimed the remaining podium places.


Race list= iGOR
Server= UKGPL08_60fps
IP address= IGOR
Date= 11-06-2021
Password= see above
GPL Mod= 67
60fps Patch= 60fpsV2newmod
Trackreims (http://gpltd.bcsims.com/include/downloadtrack.php?&track=reims&track_link=/tracks/reims_gpl.zip)
Track directory= reims
Damage= PRO
Qualifying starts= between 20:30 and 21:00 UK time - Race starts at 21:00
Race starts= ~ 21:00 UK time
Race length= 42 laps
Replay= here (https://www.mediafire.com/file/szns1upxyk8my93/UKGPL_8__60fps.2021.06.11.23.31.rpy.7z/file)



Please, excepting emergencies, no chat until Session Completed in qualification. No chat in the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Drivers are reminded that Lap 1 incidents do carry an extra 1 place penalty.

Only reported incidents will be moderated.

During qualifying drivers are expected to drive back to the pits after each qualifying run. It is not permissible to return to the pits using the "Esc" key. If a driver crashes his car in qualifying and cannot return to the pits safely under his own power, he must not participate in the remaining qualifying period. The driver will be allocated the grid slot achieved at that point.


Each driver may use 2 cars through the season.
Works drivers cannot use the Lotus or Eagle.
Each car must be used a for maximum of 5 races.

Please check your car choices here:-

   67 Grand Prix Works/Priv allocation and car selection

Lasse Albrecht          WORKS                 Brabham, Cooper
Markus Friedrich       WORKS                  Ferrari, Cooper  
Fulvio Policardi         WORKS                   Ferrari, ?
GregT                      WORKS                      ?, Cooper                                
Evilclive                   WORKS                   Brabham, BRM
Uli                           WORKS                   Brabham, Honda
Alain Maurice            WORKS                   Ferrari, Cooper
Enrique Farina           WORKS                   Cooper, Brabham
Raoni Frizzo              WORKS                   Ferrari, Cooper
Claudio Navonne       WORKS                   Brabham, Honda
David Rainier             WORKS                  Ferrari, Cooper
Frank Verplanken       WORKS                   Ferrari, Cooper
Tristan                      WORKS                  Cooper, Brabham
________________________________________________________________

Phillipe Girard         PRIV                              Eagle, Cooper
Cookie                      PRIV                           Cooper, Eagle      
Eric Bilodeau             PRIV                           Brabham,??
Billy Nobrakes           PRIV                           Eagle,Cooper









Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021) 1967 F1 Grand Prix - Reims - Jun 11
Post by: EvilClive on June 11, 2021, 12:17:08 PM +0100
Apologies to all for the late announcement and thanks to Axel for giving me a poke  ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021) 1967 F1 Grand Prix - Reims - Jun 11
Post by: Rainier on June 11, 2021, 01:04:31 PM +0100
Apologies to all for the late announcement and thanks to Axel for giving me a poke  ;)

Date= 11-05-2021


Only one month later  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021) 1967 F1 Grand Prix - Reims - Jun 11
Post by: Phil Thornton on June 11, 2021, 01:42:24 PM +0100
Only one month later  ;D
Fixed that and changed it to the correct server  ;) .


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021) 1967 F1 Grand Prix - Reims - Jun 11
Post by: Cookie on June 11, 2021, 01:49:44 PM +0100
Please to all driver use the new

Track Gap Freeze Fix Patch

get it http://srmz.net/index.php?s=b036569b520e9b887c4847479dc7bf14&showtopic=14247


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021) 1967 F1 Grand Prix - Reims - Jun 11
Post by: fpolicardi on June 11, 2021, 06:22:01 PM +0100
Tonight I can't honour my season victory cause I'm busy with my choir, sorry and have a nice race all.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021) 1967 F1 Grand Prix - Reims - Jun 11
Post by: Cookie on June 12, 2021, 09:04:50 AM +0100
Too bad, it could have been a nice race,
but after the early spin of Greg I drove alone in front and with time my mind wandered
so that I approached the T2 wrong and ended up in the cornfield.

Grats Markus for the win and Fulvio for the Championship :thumbup2:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021) 1967 F1 Grand Prix - Reims - Jun 11
Post by: Rainier on June 12, 2021, 09:52:37 AM +0100
I used the Track Gap Freeze Fix Patch without any trouble.

Except during the very first laps, until Billy retired, it was a lonely race.

On the first lap, I was very surprised by an early braking of Mister ..Nobrakes at the hairpin of virage de Muizon, and our race almost ended at this moment  :o 

Congrats to Fulvio for the championship, Markus for the win and Philippe 2nd at race and championship  !

 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021) 1967 F1 Grand Prix - Reims - Jun 11
Post by: Claudio Navonne on June 12, 2021, 11:53:35 AM +0100
Unfortunately real life issues prevented us from arriving in time to participate. When Igor started the server did not accept any more connections.
Thank you for organizing this championship.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021) 1967 F1 Grand Prix - Reims - Jun 11
Post by: fpolicardi on June 12, 2021, 01:06:42 PM +0100
Thx guys, it was ages since I won something  :)
I was very lucky in the first part of season and capitalized for second half where I had some off expecially at the Ring where I had some good hopes but I blew engine at first lap.
See you next season!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021) 1967 F1 Grand Prix - Reims - Jun 11
Post by: Markus Friedrich on June 12, 2021, 02:15:54 PM +0100
Grats to Philippe and Rainier for the podium places!

Unfortunately this was a rather lonely race after Greg lost it on the brakes at the end of the long straight (at Virage de Thillois). I was clearly slower in the first two laps, but I was hoping that because of your fight with Axel, I might be able to join in. With no one to fight Axel was at least 1s faster and I just focused on consistent driving. Without your mistake Axel, I would never have had any chance to win here with the Ferrari.

Congrats again to Fulvio for winning the championship and to Philippe for becoming second!!
Thanks to the admins for organizing the leagues and providing the servers!!!  :notworthy:

One more thing:
In my opinion the high speed/full throttle tracks such as Reims, Hockenheim, Tripoli or Monza do not work very well with the original 67 mod. They work much better with other mods as there is much more slipstream which allows for intense pack racing. But I never experienced this in the original 67 mod so the races were much less likely to be close. So for me 4 out of 10 races on high speed tracks were a bit too much for a season. What do you think about it?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021) 1967 F1 Grand Prix - Reims - Jun 11
Post by: GregT on June 13, 2021, 10:09:07 PM +0100
Congrats Markus and Fulvio!

I screwed up that one. I missed my braking point by at least a car length. The bump got me sideways making me nothing more than a passenger. I was glad nobody had a problem because of my mistake.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021) 1967 F1 Grand Prix - Reims - Jun 11
Post by: Leo Menegucci on June 14, 2021, 01:13:28 PM +0100

One more thing:
In my opinion the high speed/full throttle tracks such as Reims, Hockenheim, Tripoli or Monza do not work very well with the original 67 mod. They work much better with other mods as there is much more slipstream which allows for intense pack racing. But I never experienced this in the original 67 mod so the races were much less likely to be close. So for me 4 out of 10 races on high speed tracks were a bit too much for a season. What do you think about it?

I concur. The it would work better with the 67x mod


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021) 1967 F1 Grand Prix - Reims - Jun 11
Post by: JonnyO on June 14, 2021, 05:22:23 PM +0100
    I don't understand why they want a 200m vacuum, this is unrealistic, I looked for videos of races in Reims, Monza, Spa...... clearly there is no crazy vacuum force at 200m, clearly if the driver isn't close at least at 30m the force does not exist!


   Please guys, see this graph of monza 67, lap by lap.
realize that there is no frantic shifting of positions like some mods with exaggerated 200m vacuum.
   I think the original mod67 is still more in line with the reality of the time.

 https://www.statsf1.com/pt/1967/italie/tour-par-tour.aspx


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021) 1967 F1 Grand Prix - Reims - Jun 11
Post by: Philippe Girard on June 14, 2021, 08:49:33 PM +0100
 
   Please guys, see this graph of monza 67, lap by lap.
realize that there is no frantic shifting of positions like some mods with exaggerated 200m vacuum.
   I think the original mod67 is still more in line with the reality of the time.

 https://www.statsf1.com/pt/1967/italie/tour-par-tour.aspx

I Agree with Jonny  ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021) 1967 F1 Grand Prix - Reims - Jun 11
Post by: Markus Friedrich on June 15, 2021, 10:16:58 PM +0100
I see your point Jonny.
And actually I had no intention to suggest using the 67x mod. Also I did not try to make a point about realism.
My point was just about my personal experience from this season in the long Grand Prix series about the full throttle tracks. I did not enjoy them too much. I clearly understand why it is fun to race these tracks in other mods as it equals skill differences a bit. I did not really experience this kind of equalization with these tracks with the original 67 mod (except for the fact that works drivers used slower cars). So from my view these tracks were a bit boring to race. But that is just my personal opinion that I wanted to share, and I wanted to know all your opinions as well.
It might also be the case that these tracks were somewhat boring because in the long Grand Prix series we usually only had around 10 cars at the grid. Maybe with more starters these tracks provide better racing as well.  :scooter: :fencing:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021) 1967 F1 Grand Prix - Reims - Jun 11
Post by: JonnyO on June 16, 2021, 03:55:20 AM +0100
   Yes Markus I understand! :)  Another mod that I really like about the vacuum reaction is the modThundercar , I think it is well balanced and is an excellent mod for oval racing . But it usually attracts few riders.
  A good advantage of the UKGPL league is the possibility to use a lot of mods, unfortunately I can't race with you guys in the middle of the week.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021) 1967 F1 Grand Prix - Reims - Jun 11
Post by: maddog on June 16, 2021, 08:42:26 PM +0100
Slipstream - I remember the 1960's where F1's at fast tracks such as Monza, would often form groups of cars which stayed together.  The slipstream helped enough, to make a slower car fast enough for more excitement.  A small effect was enough.  A bigger effect came from GT cars, as they had a bigger frontal area, which moved more air sideways.  The Mulsanne at Le mans was famous for this. 8) 

A large jet plane moves enough air, they wait 2 minutes between each takeoff, to avoid dangerous turbulence.  Size and speed.  Wind tunnel testing in the 1970's, showed how slipstream and drag could be reduced.  Much less now than then.