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Title: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Oct 14
Post by: phspok on July 03, 2021, 10:30:40 AM +0100
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Password: see above (#post_event_password)

(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=1492)

Note: ****This event WILL be a rolling start because of risks of starting on a banking****

Practice: 19:45 GMT (30 mins)
Qual 2: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30  (30 mins)

Cars allowed: GTO Classics
Track: Daytona (ROAD)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry

Start: ROLLING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption:  Normal
Pit-stops: None required

Server: Simracing.org.uk E7
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Championship Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1492&theme=4)

Example Setups:

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see
cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) especially the
rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) You will need to install Race Room Racing Experience from Steam, and have the Euro and American Track Packs for this series (And maybe another
non pack track occasionally)
(4) Please exercise caution when pitting as some tracks have a speed limit.

(5) Please follow the SROUK guidelines for using kerbs etc. Please keep 2 wheels on the track surface (kerbs do not count as track surface)
Excessive cutting of corners will seen as cheating and the results may be altered to reflect this.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: Geoffers on July 04, 2021, 06:24:30 PM +0100
Is the 25 laps distance correct?


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: azaris on July 07, 2021, 07:18:10 PM +0100
Or standing start on the banked oval?


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: spanner on July 07, 2021, 07:43:04 PM +0100
We had a standing start at Watkins...

hmm, not sure i've bought the track, need to check


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: phspok on July 07, 2021, 08:16:08 PM +0100
No idea how it got to be 25 laps in the event page, server is set to 30 mins as usual
Do we want a manual rolling start? Can do that if you like


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: Geoffers on July 07, 2021, 11:36:29 PM +0100
Do we want a manual rolling start? Can do that if you like

I would say that a rolling start would be better, standing starts on the banking always cause problems with cars going sideways. The RRE rolling start procedure works well I think.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: phspok on July 08, 2021, 08:36:32 AM +0100
Ok. START WILL BE A GAME CONTROLLED ROLLING START


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: Eck Simpson on July 08, 2021, 09:11:28 PM +0100
Sorry Dieter, completely my fault.

Did you get a slow down?, or did you slow down yourself?. Either way, you were robbed, that third was yours. Great pace, especially through the bus stop.

Sorry again, I won't see which way you go in the next one.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: phspok on July 09, 2021, 08:44:56 AM +0100
Results will be delayed. The server has decided to export the results as a .JSON file rather than the usual .XML
and It is only a local file.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: Chunky on July 09, 2021, 09:56:19 AM +0100
In the immortal words of captain James T Kirk "Scottie I need more power!" not sure why the mustang was so slow at this track, looking at the time the first sector the mustang was there abouts,  but the final 2 sectors is was so slow nearly 2 seconds off the pace from the Audi and Nissan. Congrats Toni on the win and to the podium. Driving the Mustang was like steering a super tanker as its so big and heavy, would of thought it would of had some straight line speed to level out the playing field. I did notice the Nissan had a penalty weight not sure what that was all about still didn't seem to slow it down lol

good fun

JP


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: phspok on July 09, 2021, 11:08:10 AM +0100
The Nissan has a power reduction and a bit of weight penalty. I think it needs more power reduction
Toni doesn't think so..... but then he is using it  ::)
The Audi also has a small power reduction.

As Geoff has said, the Mustang will come into it's own at a less power track. I still think the Nissan, and to a lesser extent
the Audi are slightly too fast.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: frex on July 09, 2021, 12:32:12 PM +0100
Really enjoyed that, fighting with the Audis throughout.

@Eck - No worries. I didn't realise at the time that you had lost the rear under braking, so wasn't sure if maybe I had turned in on you. Slowed to let you (and Mark) by on the banking, but it's all good. With no chance of catching the fast two at the front I would much rather drop back into a mid-pack battle anyway, than be stuck out in P3 on my own.

Good fun. Congrats Toni, Pete and Eck.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: Geoffers on July 09, 2021, 12:42:42 PM +0100
Yeh the Mustang was always going to struggle here, just does not have the power of the Nissan or traction of the Audi.

I guess John was running a higher wing than me as he seemed quicker in the corners but slower on the straight & that Frex was doing the opposite as he easily passed me on the straight early on. Spent all the race chasing John, got close a couple of times but made a few mistakes trying in vain to get the car off the corners better without losing traction at the rear.

Congrats to Toni, Pete & Eck on the podium.   :clap: :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: azaris on July 09, 2021, 01:03:07 PM +0100
It would be nice if all three cars were competitive on all tracks, in practice this seems very tricky given how slow the Mustang is. The weight penalty on the Nissan wasn't doing much at Daytona because the advantage comes on the oval section. My lap times were the same as they were in practice without the ballast.

We had some good racing with Pete until he fell back. Congrats to podium finishers.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: phspok on July 09, 2021, 01:57:41 PM +0100
In testing I did reduce the Nissan power even more, but that seemed to limit it too much
I will have a play again, and see what is a reasonable limit for it.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: phspok on July 11, 2021, 07:53:19 PM +0100
So. the server has lost all info on where to send the results to.
It did send them to my server, and saved them on the server itself
but it decuded to save them as .json, and our system needs .xml
And it has now lost any remote save info, so I have entered the info
again. Hopefully it will save tonight's event correctly.

Not sure what to do with Thursday's results, have to talk to Dave..


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: phspok on July 14, 2021, 12:43:02 PM +0100
So.

This event will not count towards the championship
We only have a .json of the results, and our system needs .xml
I have tried converting .json to .xml in the past, and it is fraught.....

I will add another event at the end of the series, or maybe re run this one then

I think it was probably an update that caused the reset and loss of destination address
but, if anyone wants to change these settings, please don't without letting me know

Ta
Matt


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: spanner on July 14, 2021, 12:57:11 PM +0100
Isn't the race result recorded local on our PCs?


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: Geoffers on July 14, 2021, 01:16:14 PM +0100
Isn't there a way to enter the results manually? I know Tony sometimes corrects results errors for the GTL races, does he do that manually?


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 14, 2021, 02:03:14 PM +0100
Isn't there a way to enter the results manually? I know Tony sometimes corrects results errors for the GTL races, does he do that manually?
Something has to be imported into our system before manual changes can be made.

I'll have a look to see if the whole result can be "man-made".

EDIT: Nope, nothing I can do I'm afraid.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: azaris on July 14, 2021, 03:03:34 PM +0100
You can't hand-edit an xml file?


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 14, 2021, 03:22:03 PM +0100

You can't hand-edit an xml file?
We only have a .json of the results, and our system needs .xml (like Matt stated in a previous post)


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: Geoffers on July 14, 2021, 03:33:09 PM +0100
Isn't the race result recorded local on our PCs?

Yes as a .txt file. Would it be possible to convert one of those to .xml? It only contains the race times & fastest laps for each competitor, no qually times, but those don't matter anyway.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 14, 2021, 03:51:47 PM +0100
Isn't the race result recorded local on our PCs?

Would it be possible to convert one of those to .xml?
Yes, that's possible. Are there two .txt files, one for qualy and one for the race?


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: Geoffers on July 14, 2021, 04:36:19 PM +0100
No just one for the race. Raceroom does not seem to have the provision to date stamp results files, so unless you manually rename your last results file it overwrites it the next time you race. At least I have not found a way for it to do so, if anyone else has, shout. In GTL you can change a setting in your plr file if I remember correctly but in RRE the plr file is encrypted.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: picnic on July 14, 2021, 05:02:22 PM +0100
A JSON file is just another form of text file and in fact looks remarkably like XML. However for some reason the structure nesting in the two in RRE is quite different but possibly not too hard to fix but then they go and use different units for all sorts of other stuff  ::) Suddenly what looks simplish becomes a much bigger job.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: phspok on July 14, 2021, 11:25:58 PM +0100
There is a function in the system where we can adjust the finish position of an event. But, it only sees events that have had the results uploaded
Dave wrote our results system to input .xml It doesn't understand .json
I asked if we can use a .json, and his reply was "probably not"
There are xml to json converters on line, but I have done this in the past for exactly the same situation we have here, and the result did not work.
Nothing is impossible, but I am not prepared to copy an old results file, and edit it to become a file for this event. or spend time trying to
translate json to xml, when altough I know it may be possible, previous attemps have failed to make something that our system can understand
When we first started with R3E the results were unuseable, so Dave cjose to create an importer for xml, so that's what he have.
I will upload the results json file and make it available if anyone fancies a crack at it.

Dave says no is good enough for me


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Jul 8
Post by: phspok on October 08, 2021, 11:30:30 AM +0100
Note: ****This event WILL be a rolling start because of risks of starting on a banking****


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Oct 14
Post by: spanner on October 08, 2021, 02:18:01 PM +0100
And that it is being re-run.... Posts updated to reflect the new date so people actually realise the race is coming up!


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) GTO's - Daytona - Oct 14
Post by: phspok on October 08, 2021, 02:57:23 PM +0100
Only place I can find that doesn't say 14th Oct is the calendar.
I can't update the calendar with out deleting the incorrect entry in LM2 (which was ???number)
so I have created a second event page. The results will use one of them
I don't know for certain which. If you can sort it Mark, please do.