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Practice: 19:45 GMT (30 mins)
Qual 2: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30  (25 Laps)

Cars allowed: GTO Classics
Track: Mid Ohio (FULL)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry

Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption:  Normal
Pit-stops: None required

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Haven't we raced this combo?

Don't think so  ???

We have used this track loads of time in the past, but not for this series so far.

maybe I'm there too tonight

Just a note, there has been an update today.

Yeah careful, mine was scheduled for a days time!

I made a right pigs ear of that, qualify on pole then I panicked on start line. Escaped out, hoping to start from pitlane... edjit.

Grats to whomever comes/came home on the podium.

I was wondering what happened... Good to see Riccardo on the grid, Shame you left Eck
I couldn't quite keep up with Riccardo, so moved over to let Geoff have a go, then lost it
with some ambitious braking, and Spanner swept past, and managed to stay in front to the end

Hi drivers, I struggled a lot with that car, too many 75 kg of ballast, towards the end I had problems with brakes, traction and the very delicate change in yellow, in the end I won but if Eck had stayed in the race it was different. happy to go racing with you even if still too hot ....

Without handicap the Nissan is wayyyy too fast for the other cars.

I think it is almost as hot here, Up here in the frozen north.... we are 27 deg in the daytime

But with such a handicap way too hard for me. I might manage one competitive lap every 4 or 5 but I can't do a race distance without either driving like a snail or trying to keep up and just fall off. Lost all it's enjoyment I'm afraid.

How does reducing it's power and adding a bit of weight make it harder to drive?
it was for me harder with it's full power, but I am happy to remove all handicapping if you want.

The P1's have had a lot of criticism because of the view, the NSU seem to be ok

I have been feeling for a while now that I have outlived my usefulness here
Recent posts from distinguished members have reinforced that
so I will not be creating any more series when the current 3 complete.

I will create series and do the admin for a while if someone would like to
take over the track/car combos, otherwise R3E Thursdays is dead.

Perhaps it would be an opportunity to move AC to Thursdays to remove
that issue? Or maybe a different sim? any ideas?

Martin hi, simple leave the classes as they are, every car has strengths and weaknesses, or do single-brand stores. for this championship you could reduce the ballast to 50kg and let's see if he still has brake problems with 10 minutes to go. anyway, I open your job a lot and I'm happy to run with you, even if I'm not always there, hello everyone

I like the idea Riccardo, but Race room used to have well balanced classes, it is not so good now

The P1 series has one car that is much faster than the others, and the NIssan here
is also much faster than the others. Particularly the Ford, which takes all of Geoff's
skill to keep up with me in the Nissan. That is not right. Geoff should not have any
problem being up front in a well balanced group. I will remove all handicaps as you suggest
but it is likely to become a Nissan spec race. Same with the P1 events.

Sorry Matt I don't mean to belittle what you do here, I am very grateful that people like you step up and create these series for us   :angel:

I get frustrated and my inabilities, Riccardo made it work last night, are not your problem.  Last night I a brief battle with Mark, the difference in braking between the Audi and Nissan was huge and the only way I could compensate was by trying to get on the power early. With a track that meant doing this over crests, it was only a matter of time until I fell off.

Ha ha, I thought last night it was likely to become an Audi spec race ;) Geoff is in another class so doesn't count ::) However I have a principle that I don't change cars during a season so for me I'm stuck with the fast, but horrid, Nissan.

Quite enjoyed that race, sorry some others didn't.

After practice & qually I was fully expecting to trail around on my own at the back as nearly everyone else was generally quite a bit faster. Unfortunate for Eck that he missed starting as he probably would have won easily judging by his qually times. Had a good dice with Matt for several laps until he let me past. I closed on Riccardo until he upped his pace a little & it would possibly have been a close finish except I ran off track at T8/9 & lost several seconds, only just keeping ahead of Matt.

Congrats to Riccardo on the win & Mark in 3rd.  :clap: :clap:

I honestly think Matt has done a good job with the car balancing, but certain cars work better at certain circuits. The Audi was the car to have here, the Mustang worked well at Watkins Glen, the Nissan was easily the best at the void Daytona race. In general the Nissan is best at power tracks obviously, the Audi works well on slower trickier tracks because of its 4wd & the Mustang works best on tracks with fast corners.

Thanks Pete

It's not one event. I am getting to the point I was with P&G where I used to spend hours trying to match cars at tracks
only to find that what I can do is very different to what others can do.

I have had only negative comments about my handicapping (except Geoff) Mostly from people who want to drive a particular car
and don't want their choice of car to be slowed down. The R3E groups used to be well matched, with an occasional
mismatch like the Pork in Gr5. But in the P1 and these GTO groups there are huge differences between cars.
It's like they are just not testing anymore. The Nissan is much faster than the others, and the Ford
is easily the slowest of the bunch. My target is to have it so one car is better at one track, and may be slower
at another. The Nissan (for me) is the easiest drive without handicap and the fastest by far at pretty well all tracks
At The Glen I was faster than Geoff, which shouldn't normally be the case. Ok, so that's a non scientific test
but it is a guide. This event the Audi worked best as it has better traction, and is easier to boot out of the slow corners
I get the feeling that weight is not a good handicap as it affects too many things, so maybe just do it on power

I have just done a few laps at Paul Ricard in the P1 cars and the DMP is 10mph ~ faster on the straight.
Birger mentioned the straight line difference in our previous race, and he is correct. I have added some weight to it
and reduced the power down to the minimum allowed, and it is still slightly faster on the straight, and the lap times
(with me driving) are similar, though it may still be slightly quicker at some tracks.

I have asked for help for a while now, and had one very welcome offer. I don't want to do this anymore
I am happy to implement the events, but I am not going to design any more myself.

One of the problems with RRE is that you cannot do what Tony does with some of the GTL series which is limit the number of drives in each car. Because the content has to be purchased & is not free, then not every one owns every car in a particular class, so if the cars are not balanced then often it becomes spec racing where everyone drives the same car. The more modern classes like GT3, GT4 & WTCR have the cars pretty equal as in the real racing but the older type cars by their nature are not always so equal.

Its the old adage Matt, you can please some of the people some of the time, you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Indeed, I have not been pleasing all of the people all of the time for years  ::)

You've pleasured me occasionally  :winkiss:

I didn't want to criticize your work, I just expressed the difficulties I found with that car in the last 10 minutes of the race, but also Pete who is a very good driver expressed the same difficulties. your work has always been great and you can't please everyone. for me you are a great .....

Not wishing to appear to jump on your grave or anything but........I would like to poll the GTL regulars if a move to Thursday nights would be beneficial to UKGTL.

But that's if no-one is lined up to help you obviously.

Mmm, the way things are going, I am going to have to go somewhere else for my RRE fix.  :( :thumbdown:

Or you could contribute your vast experience and help keep it running  ::)

No worries Riccardo, no one thing is a problem

Not sure I have a vast experience of anything, but if I can help, I will. But I thought you said someone had already offered.

Ahh, not exactly. John showed an interest, I suggested that someone might want to create some
series, and I would run them, and maybe take over eventually. Not sure that was what he was thinking.

Hi All

I am with Geoff keeping RRE for a Thursday and as I message Martin I would be more than happy to create a series for these nights. I think Martin has done a cracking job for these RRE Thursdays but as Geoff said you cant please all the people all the time. RRE with its paid content and obviously huge difference between cars in certain series does cause a major problem with setting these things up and there is always going to be pluses and minimises to what ever you do. So if there is a a lot of positivity to keep RRE going on a Thursday? I don't mind trying to see if we can still put this evening on with some creative feedback from you lot as to what you would like to see? personally I would hate to see RRE diminish from UKGTR as the only other sim I really use is ACC and I am not sure that is really used here from what I can see.

let me know your thoughts guys
JP

I'm only really racing Thursday nights these days and generally enjoy my RRE outings. I'd hate to see these events disappear.

I am not trying to kill R3E Thursdays. I just want some help designing the series.
I have been doing it for years, and I believe some new blood will be a good thing

Ideally I need more than a vague untested suggestion, though I will have a look at any suggestions
from people whether you race every week or not. If you put in some time and test cars
at tracks I will be happy to run a series for it. We have had suggestions in the past
which I have not implemented because they in my oppinion would be boring

I try not to run more than one spec series, as we have had complaints about that in past
Thursdays for me is traditionally Historic cars, and Sundays is for GT cars, but I am not
sticking to that anymore, I just try not to clash with what Stephen does Sundays.
I have tried putting up series to vote for, which is ok, but not everyone votes
and sometimes people vote without any testing.

I used to run 4 series at a time, but that seemed too long between them, so I went to 3
No reason we can't run 4 or 2

I just don't want to have to dream up another bunch of series myself.

John' ideas would be most welcome, Geoff has done this before here and at GTL
Spanner sometimes has strong ideas. Riccardo and friends might add some different spice
Bill has been helpful in the past. Nothing will be ignored.

Answers on a post card  :angel:

Doh, you mean I've got to go & buy some postcards!  ::)

Sorry for not replying earlier, been to Silverstone today. I will test out a few combos if you want, but John sounds very keen to have a go, so I will only help if he wants. Maybe Riccardo could give us a few ideas what our Italian friends would be interested in driving.

you are very good at organizing competitions, my thought is to take a car or a series and leave it as it is without trying to modify it by inserting a handicap, then a driver takes the car he wants even if it will be a single make, we just have to have fun . however it will be an honor to be useful to the community.

Its definitely a big issue for Raceroom with seemingly unequal classes, but , as with AC its always the golden question how to engage both those at front who want something challenging to drive and those at the back who arnt as quick or consistent without people getting bored as they are lapping on their own after a lap.

Tbh i though the GTO's were doing a good job, yes each track will be different. The Audi certainly was not easy around mid ohio, none of the cars are easy. I am surprised the Nissan is THAT bad after adding weight and reducing power.

Trying to BoP cars is never going to be easy, we all drive them differently and can be quite inconsistent. Some races I'm at the front winning, others i'm struggling near the back....

We have kinda driven most of the classes which mainly leaves the single makes.

Keep it coming  8) It would be good if we could have some group commitment to it
Seriously, hit me with some serious suggestions for a group, or single make
that you think would work. If you can spend the time testing at tracks so much the better
if anyone comes up with a car/tracks series that would work I am unlikely to argue.

My method for cars is slow cars get tight tracks, fast cars get faster tracks, with a bit
of variation to spice it up a bit. I also try to make series geographical, like a US series
a far east or Euro series. Is not an essential element, but is a consideration.

Actually I'm not so sure that is true. IIRC in RRE you only need to "own" one car in each example group. So Matt, or whoever, can devise a series with limited No. off drives in each car. In say a four make series competitors would need to buy four cars (one of each make). I don't think this would be too prohibitive in terms of cost?
Google Docs is free and can be used as the series spreadsheet, so driver's can keep track of how many drives there are have left in each car group.