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250km of Monza

Practice 1:	20:00	(15 mins)	full time drivers only
Practice 2:	20:15	(15 mins)	reserves may join too
Qual 2:	20:30	(25 mins)
Race:	20:55	(43 laps)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT, G2 or NGT from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.2 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27) (see this thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2228.0)) (G2 cars will not score points).
Weather: to be decided just before the race based on real-world weather according to the Endurance rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=42).
Track: Monza GP 2004
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: All drivers must make a minimum of one pit stop. This must involve entering the pit lane at the speed limit, and coming to a complete standstill in the designated pit box. Tyres do not have to be changed and no fuel has to be added. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Endurance Masters
Password: here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2324)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=33).
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers should remember that they get only two free changes of car in each series.
(5) The race will be based on distance, not time, to avoid a premature end. In the event of a wet (not changeable) race, the distance will be shortened to 40 laps.
(6) No decision has yet been made on the entry of Academy drivers in G2 cars.

Can you say "F550"  ;)

I know Dave will kick me...slap me around and kick me again, but can we remove the 550 for this event?

No, but we can agree to official pronounce anyone who uses it and hasn't stuck with it for the rest of the season to be a big girl's blouse. :D

Thank God for that part, as I have the F550 in the sprints ;D. Will stick with the Lambo for the Enduro, it's very slow and just makes it fuelwise, but it's home....euh....never mind. ;D

lol

I'll be in the Saleen then. Should be interesting.

Right, the Vertigo has had petrol doused over it, had a match thrown it's way and is currently merrily burning away outside Legends HQ as we speak. We'll phone the insurance tomorrow, Jonzo wants to toast some marshmallows on it first :D

Stubbornness made me stick with it for a couple of races longer than I should have but two blown engines in a row is just no fun at all and therefore defeats the purpose of tuning up really!

Hopefully I won't be as far off the pace this week :)

Not sure the F550 is allowed in NGT Pops.  ;) ;) :P :angel:

Now now... steady on old bean. I'll have to resort to shaking my fist angrily at you when you lap me if you carry on like that!

You can accidentaly touch him with your right foot, errr, front side of your car.  ;D

TT

Just like in real life (people shaking their fists at BMW drivers)  :) :angel:

Haha, got a great mental image now, Dastardely + Muttley style!

D-D-Drat and Double Drat!

Someone should make a Wacky Races mod for GTR :)

They did. Try racing on some of the public servers in the lobby and you'll see what I mean.

right. is there a veteran out there with a good lambo setup for monza? tarzan dazed and confused, please help  :angel:

Can we not limit the 550's performance as will leave other cars for dead?

Also, who all plans to jump ship to the 550 for this race out of interest?
If a few do it surely we all should to be as equal as possible although i would like to stick to lambo now i have chosen that as my car of choice.

Not sure what times can be achieved with the lambo but tested for a few laps last night and managed a 1.43.0. Think I could knock a few more tenths if i manage to nail the second chicane which I still cant master bouncing over the kerbs like other cars. Still no 550 beater.

Watch and see how many 550's engines blow, either that or the rev's will need to be turned way down.

Thought the lambo's engine was weaker still?

Not this again :-X.

Monza is a track that suits the F550 very well, but the season has also been at Valencia and Donnington. Two twisty tracks. Where were the complaints about people going for the better handling cars?

Rus if you take the 550 i will personally kick ur *****  ;)

Nope, I stick with my cars. So Lambo for endure and F550 for sprint.

Swings and roundabouts.


No. I've never liked the F550 in GTR 1 or 2 so don't plan to start now (maybe  ;)).

do the rules state that you must stick with one car thro the season or can you change???

Have you not read them yet?

RULES (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7)

You are allowed two changes.

no i read them!
i was being a little sarcastic ;)

;D

So Dave.......

Whats your verdict on corner cutting or you just letting the game handle it?

I understand the points made, but if someone suddenly jumps from one car to the 550 it seems like cheating. As Ruskus says taking the whole season into consideration, it is fair those who have stuck by the 550 all season do so now.

Those who change to the 550 for this race, it almost seems like cheating. Any other form of racing does not allow drivers to change back and forth

Which part of the Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7#cutting) are you struggling to understand?

These lines are Legal:

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Going any further over the curbs will result in taking the stipes with you and unsettling the car alot, so cutting more isn't very benifitial.

It's not cheating as it was decided ages ago that people could change cars, the difference this season is that changing cars every race to suit the track will cost a lot of points.
People have changed cars earlier in the season with nobody complaining so why now we come to Monza? It's not fair saying it is cheating just because you dont want to change your car is it, and its not like changing cars is braking the rules.

This is the type of bull answers i cant really understand...its not like I'm asking where to install Monza or something  :( If im being unnecessary i apologies but i guess Ive gotten used to the excellent manner and friendliness of the R2P stewards  ;)
Keep the sarcasm tightly sealed somewhere else please.

...anyway, why i asked i don't think you have been moderating GTR races this season as the corner cutting rules you so politely directed me to has been breached sooooo much this season i just felt a sterner implementation would apply to Monza specifically or maybe just a little notice/warning so the moderator wont have to sanction penalties afterwards.


Thank you for that, my aim was just to let most understand the "boundaries" in which to drive. Appreciated!


It doesnt really matter if they change cars, it doesnt prove anything that we dont already know. Plus their engines will blow anyway  :o ;)

Do you have any examples? We've not had a single report of corner cutting from anyone as far as I know.

Will there be any difference to the start procedure for this race? Obviously the first corner is always a major incident point with cars blasting full speed into a slow bend?

 Just thought I would ask as it's a shame to have race ruined so early. On saying that I'm judging from what I have seen in open online races and know the driving standard is very high here.

 Also I know why Radius is raising his concerns about cutting corners. Watching many people, they have a technique of using every bit of the kerb and a little more on the second chicane especially. I'm not sure how they manage it as too often when i have tried, it throws me way off line, so I don't do it.

 Again I'm sure some people will not consider it cheating as the game itself does not rule this to be cutting corners. Now we have pictures we can all see what is judged to be acceptable

heres hoping to only having one car choice for each catagory (gt,ngt) and having to stick with that for the season!! ;)

Why the enforced pit stop?

The pit limiter starting procedure should give us enough seperation during the start to avoid a major T1 shunt.

Because otherwise some of the NGT cars will do the whole distance without stopping, giving them a massive advantage over those which cannot do likewise.

Also because pit stops are a nice part of endurance racing. It's a skill to get in and out fast and planning your strategy adds a nice extra element over the Sprint races.

Then why not just make the race 3laps longer?

I think I'm the only person to have reported it this season - though I haven't read the reports from outside the Endurance Academy in detail.

It's no use getting arsey with me and calling my answers "bull" if you haven't cared enough thus far to have reported any cutting. You asked a question about the cutting rules and I pointed you at them - had you been more explicit about your motives for the question, perhaps I could've given you a more carefully directed answer.

Because then some of the GT cars would need two stops. The 40 minute multiplier is largely based around the size of the Lambo's fuel tank.

Hmm I'm not sure about all this business with fixing the race length to favour certain cars and penalise others. I mean, there is a reason some cars burn fuel faster than others, or wear tires faster  ;D

That's the very reason why I came here from the public servers. I also hope the trust invested in drivers with access to passwords will be justified by NOT having a pileup in the first corner. So far I think we're doing ok and I expect it to be so today and in the future. You don't win a race in the first corner. But you can lose it. I take Endurance very seriously, I make a lot of laps to prepare the car. I expect hard, but not reckless driving. As I said, I think we're doing ok so far so I'm confident we're gonna be continuing doing it good.  8)  Have fun tonight and good luck!

TT

Erm... the race lengths and mandatory stop rule are fixed precisely to avoid penalising or favouring specific cars. Everyone has to do one stop, and nobody needs to do more (but can if they wish). Between that and the ballasts we have a fairly level playing field; the slower but more efficient cars get an advantage because they stop for less time and the faster cars make that up in raw pace.

As far as I can remember I don't think we've ever had a big pile-up at T1 at Monza, that's at least 6 races (with possible a couple of fun races I can't recall). That's a testament to the excellent driving standards here and the amount of preparation everyone puts in, I guess it's nice to remind ourselves how miserable it could be though! :D

And Nevski, the 80m format plus ballasts has evolved over the previous seasons and it works extremely well, it allows a choice of cars while trying to even out the difference as well was possible, which isn't easy. Your question is completely valid but I also think it's mentioning that there's been a LOT of discussion to get us where we are now where I'm guessing the majority of endurance drivers are comfortable with the format.

I'm pretty sure when we started Season 4 there was no car change allowed without a 20% penalty. The only reason we have one at all is because the GT2 Porsche was classified wrong and Dave had to allow those drivers to change out of it for future races once it was banned. This meant he had to allow 1 car change for everyone, but the GT2 drivers said they needed 2 changes if everyone else was to get one cause one of theirs was forced.

Hence why in this season we have 2 car changes allowed before penalty. I'm guessing next season we'll be back to no car change without penalty in all liklihood.

Okay, fair points about the race distance and ballasts. I suspected those were the reasons but I just wanted to hear it said. I am ready to race tonight, although I suspect there may not be enough places for reserves in this one.  Good luck to everyone tonight if I don't make it onto the server.  :thumbup1:

it was said tounge in cheek but thanks for the history on why it is so!

The only change I'd like to see is renaming Sprint events into Dash events and Endurance into Sprints. :P









(said Jure while starting his campaign for 3 hours Endurance events with 2 mandatory 5 mins pitstops  ::)  :angel:)

Well said that man!  ;D

I too would like to see a genuine endurance league running, either with races of 120-180 minutes or 90 minute races with 2x fuel and tyre usage on the server.  :shifty:

Interesting points about the car swapping Simon, I just assumed it was how UKGTR operated.

Good luck to all involved for tonight's race, I'll watch the replay in anticipation  8)

I take it that the idea of an academy driver joining the masters race for a bit of a blast is out? Only I appear to be strangely available tonight!

I'm still considering whether to invite Masters to the Academy event in the 993 GT2 (which is non-scoring) and the G3 cars after Monza. At this stage in the season when championships are won or lost I don't really want to put another wildcard into the race in the form of us slower geezers - especially not at Monza where the speeds are high and the braking heavy.

In addition, with slightly fewer drivers (around the 22 mark) the server seems more stable and the replays likewise (which is more than a little helpful when reviewing incidents!).

Ok, understood. I will stay out of the way, and let the pros have the bandwidth :)

well was having a good battle there, well done guys for keeping it nice clean but i guess that goes with out saying!

im really gutted lost my connection, was in second when dropped and felt i had a good pit strategy to maybe challenge for the win!

my isp says it drops everynow and again cos of new upgrade, if this dosnt stop happnin soon ill have to change my isp, anyone have any suggestions?

anyways, hope you all had a good race!
see ya

Deliberately misquoting, I tend to reboot my ADSL modem/router just before a race to discourage it from dropping the connection during the event.

yea this is what i did with a complete system shut down reboot to clean everything up!
i was 5 or so secs infront of the guy behind so i hope my disco did not interupt anyone elses race!

just annoying does not do it all day then does it in race!

Congrats to Claus Juel GT win :)
Congrats to Simon NGT win :) well done Leuven for the 2nd place.
Qualified 6th (NGT) choose fuel level and tires for a sprint attack race ::)
It worked ;D when i pit at 19th lap i was in 1st ;) but then full fuel level
and hard tires for 2nd session cost me +-2 seconds a lap untill the end :o
Managed finished 3rd tho :D
Thanks again for the GT boys behavior, when lapping us ;)
Thanks all for the fair race also.Nice fair and hard fight at the end of race mo :)

Cheers

That was a  :sleep1: race.

Jon and CJ were towing eachother to maximum speed at the beginning and I was left stranded. In lap 4 or 5 I hit a stationary car and flipped. I didn't see any traffic (even without nametags) so I reversed away and backed to the wall, but Jure also tried to avoid the frozen car, and I was still there, and there was contact  :-[.

My car was extremely damaged, and I could only do mid to high 44's, which was about 1,5s per lap too slow. I had to fight hard to keep James behind.

In the pit I chose to fix the damage, which costed me 10s. Luckliy they did that fixing during tyrechange, so nothing was lost I think. After that my racepace was much higher, with a low 43 as result.
With about 15 laps to go, I was 31s behind Martin, and I was pushing like mad (not Madd ;D) to come close. At the end it was still 7s, so with maybe 5-10 laps extra, I would have been on his tail. But coming close is one thing, getting passed another.

Finished 4th, which is 1 place lower than what would have been a maximum result for me, as I couldn't match Jon's and CJ's pace.

What an easy race for me, never expected it to go this way. My set was horrible and thus i was way off the pace. I just tried to keep the car on the track and with Ruskus' crash this was enough to finish 3rd. He was closing the gap at a scary rate in the last lap, but that was down to heavily worn tires on my car. I didn't get new ones at my stop, as i tried to come out in front of Jon in a futile attempt to force him into a mistake. ;-)

Grats to CJ and Shark(?).

Looks like the GT Championship will get very interesting in the last 2 races :-)

Well another enjoyable race for me. I sneaked in to 2nd place on the grid near the end of Qually and was pleased with that. At the start of the race I was able  to hold CJ for a couple of laps and then I realised he was just bedding the car in....Then he went for a cruise ;D Was only about 10s behind at the pitstop and I came out behind Martin. I was pretty lucky to get by him so quick. Unfortunately for him a back marker just got in his way around a bend and I was able to close in and have a chance of an overtake which I did. If it hadn't been for that I think It would've taken a fair while before I could've got close enough to have a pop at the end of a straight. I guess running with 1 rear wing helped a lot here though :) After I'd got past martin I couldn't believe the time gap to CJ....31 seconds :o After that it was just a case of bringing the car home in one piece. Awesome pace CJ. Every race your bang on the money 8) Grats mate. And of course grats to Shark on his NGT win. Nice work ;)
Sorry to Dan Minton. I'm not sure if it was my fault that you went straight on at the last bend ??? Was there enough space or should I report myself? Sorry if it was my fault though :)

Provisional results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=259) and replay (http://ukgtr.simracing.org.uk/) available.

 :-[   Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, a race to forget and to wipe from memory  :hang:, car just snapped on warm-up luckily remembered I had to rejoin in last.....oh goody! :thumbdown:
Utterly pathetic, an abortion of a set-up, car drove like a ruddy pogo stick (my fault just didn't find time to really get a good one)  ::)  and it just went from bad to worse tbh.  :(

Ah well I live and learn.  Muppet.  :laugh:

YAY! I finished with exploding my engine  :jumpjoy:

Wow! What a race that was, very, very hard.

I had a nightmare of a qualifying session, I just couldn't get a decent lap in, I was waaaay off my practice pace.

My race pace was better though, I had a good fight with Perdy (Perdie?) for a while until he span then tried to close down Bernie but the gap just wouldn't close but I was very consistent.

Somehow I came out just in front of Bernie though who put me under plenty of pressure for the next 5 laps or so but I gradually pulled a little away and I manged to bring it home in 6th I think.

GT drivers were extemely easy to be lapped by, nice job guys :thumbup2:

Congrats to Sharky on the win :thumbup2:

EEEK a nightmare start but thrilling race!

P6 after a few laps, then hit curb into 2nd chicane same speed as usual but without a little throttle applied and round she goes, facing the wall! huhu Then i couldn't select reverse and remembered i mapped ignition and start buttons earlier in the day to test and didn't know how to get reverse ! lol haha what a n00b i was  :D ...sitting there, waiting for the ENTIRE field to pass..finally get reverse and off i go..stone dead last behind all those battling NGT guys!

Make my way through them very professional no rush...just smooth then 20 secs behind last GT driver and now my race begins. After pitstop I'm 3 secs behind and closing...got pass Madd...then Jure and on the 2nd last lap another GREAT OVERTAKING MOVE!!! by me on Richards...he leaves a small gap while overtaking 1 lapped car after ascari and while I'm slipstreaming him he feels the need to slipstream PRbiero's M3 but i already figured hed be screwed as soon as we get to Parabolica as his on the racing line ...which is what happened and he couldn't do a thing as i put my car hard on the inside and braked late :)  Good fight thou dude!

So 6th place hard fought, without that huge time loss....i could def had beaten Ruskus to 4th, np!  :D

Big thanks to the NGT dudes for being very predictable!!!

I had a torrid race this eve.  :(

Qualied a dismal last. I just dont understand why my offline setup was completely wrong online ??? I did a 1:50.8 and could do 3 flying laps offline, but in this eves qually i could only manage 1 flying lap before the tyres cooked themselves and overheated  ??? Likewise my race pace was consistently a second slower per lap...just plain odd.

Mind you, I was suffering big time with a cricked neck and it just got worse throughout practise and qually, despite me smothering it in deep heat just before the race started, and resulted in a 'ring of fire feeling' around my neck!  :o :taz:

Had a very quiet uneventful race until after i pitted with about 16 laps to go. Then had a great little battle with teamie Paul W in Bi-T (forgot how shite that thing is under braking and came very close to rear ending it more than once :sweatdrop: ), then we got split up by some lapping GT cars which ended our fun, so then ended up having a cracking fight with Nevarn for the last few laps until the finish line, where i got it home in front.  :P

Well done to the impeccable CJ, and those Fin-backed buggers Shark and Leuven :notworthy:

Good race, seemed like it took for forever for the car to start gripping so was just focused on keeping Jon at bay in start.
Lap 4 or so it finally started working, same lap he suddenly froze between the Lesmo turns, could be his car that Ruskus hit, think it dissappeared just after it froze, then i was like huh and suddenly it reappearred coming down to the Ascari complex, must have been a hicup there.
Anyway managed to spool out 8s before I planned to stop just as I was hitting traffic on lap 21 for the 2nd time. That worked perfect and after a quick splash and new tires I got out in pretty empty space and could push alot for 10 laps until the traffic situation got back to normal for a mixed field race. Just took it easy last part not taking any chances with lappings.

 :sleep1: You wish  ;D.

I did a flip and landed on my roof. Drove the whole first stint with heavy aero damage (1,5-2s per lap slower), and I still beat you big time  :P. Oh, and that was without using 6th gear   ;D

Done that all by myself Jon...was trying to give you room as i was in last place and 75 laps down  :D   Race started off pretty good and had a great battle with Shark probably held you up a bit Simon but it was good fun.   After my first mistake i made another then another and then a bundle more...ended up just driving around and being very curtious to all the people who were lapping me. ;D
Cheers

well not a great result but a great race  :)

first half of the race was amazing fun, gaining and losing positions battling with TrueTom, Bernie and Pops. Constantly slip-streaming each other down the straight and daring each other to be the last of the late braker's!!  :eek:

Not one exchange of paint work! ...it was quality

Was going great and I was hoping my pit strategy would help but with a spin in front of Pops...things got progressively worse!!

Great track for multi-class racing as plenty of passing spaces....grats to Simon!  ;D

Sorry I had to withdraw in qualifying. The girlfriend is pretty ill and needed my assistance. I noticed that the server was never full so I don't feel so bad that I never kept anyone out.

Could not get a clean lap in during qualification and managed 1.43.1 and know I had a wee bit more to squeeze out the car.

 Was as usual, looking forward to the race but the girlfriend is really bad and can't stop being sick.Hopefully it is nothing other than genuine illness and not....I don't even want to think or say it!

 Hopefully I will get the chance to join in during the week and next weekend.

Hope you all had good race and congratulation to the winners

That was the best race I've ever had at Monza. Really not my sort of track as it's quite a boring track with so much flat out action. Qualified with a lap that was bang on what I was doing in practice so I was pleased with that, but that only put me 8th? in class on the grid!!  :o

The first 7 or 8 laps was classic action with Dan Minton. Fair play to you that really was cracking. I got such a massive tow down the start finish straight every lap I could overtake easily and then you'd just power past me out of the slow stuff showing up my lengthy gearing. Running wing 1-3 was good for straight line speed and it gave me just enough in the corners to keep a hold. The M3 and 911 seemed about even on the top speed, but the tow was immense, so good job I gave 6th gear some headroom.

I had planned a cunning strategy that was either going to blow up in my face or hand me a nice position. I drove on medium tyres till lap 32 where i had taken the lead virtue of pitting last. I was throwing in reasonable laps on worn mediums but eventually I needed to pit with 11 to go. Put on softs and the 36 litres I needed to get to the end and bombed back out of the pits. Paul had grabbed an 8 second lead on me, but I soon started clawing that back with my now qualifying fuel and tyred car. With only about 4 laps left I'd caught up to about 3 seconds behind Paul but he had to pit for fuel (unlucky). Was a shame as it would have been a grand stand finish I reckon. I was just starting to day dream about coming out the final turn and slipstreaming Paul on the last lap to take the lead by a nose.  ;D

Monza is a lot easier in GTR 2 than it was in GTR 1 so made it far more possible to race closely and safely.

Well done CJ and Martin and Jon on the GT podium and to my fellow team mate Leuven for 2nd in NGT and Priberio for 3rd.

A great result for Team Shark has put us in a brilliant position to win some trophies in the Endurance Masters. Well done boys!

Bit mixed for me- I'd got a decent set-up for the Bi-Turbo and was on the pace with the pack in the late teens, early twenties for the first half of the race. I'd planned to use hard tires and just refuel midway but the rears started to feel a bit wobbly so I opted to just bung medium rears on too at the stop. Late on though that meant I was getting lots of understeer on the tired fronts.
I always enjoy driving something different like the Bi-T at the faster tracks but it's a real liability because other drivers aren't anticipating the elongated braking zones the car has. Unfortunately a few cars decided to remodel the rear of the car with light taps- the Legends coachworkers are NOT happy  ;D

Though from the sound of it it wouldn't have made much difference even if you had been able to rejoin slightly further up the field. :laugh: :angel:

Bloodyhell i was running 2-7 wings....the replay of that battle is quality....Shame i Kamakazied it again about 3 laps later going into Ascari and nearly wiping everyone out. Must learn to apply the brakes properly! ::)

Well, even with a 1-1 wing I couldn't keep in the slipstream of the Porsches down the straights. I guess that's the last time I drive a car with spaghetti electrics and bolognese tires at Monza.

Well, in NGT anyway.  :D

lol my 360 was quick down the straights! i guess its how much pace you have coming off the bends, i think the little german swines were a little supprised by it!!

The RSR has a base coefficient of drag of 0.28, the 360 GTC's is 0.30.

And why have you got three forum IDs?! ::) :laugh:

Ah that could have something to do with it. As could me dropping the max revs to the lowest value before the race.

I have three forum IDs because my original email address is no longer working, and I couldn't remember the password for my original login. So, I created a new ID with my yahoo email, but the stupid yahoo email wouldn't send me the activation link. Hence, I ended up with a third ID using the hotmail address.  ::)

if people are able to run 1 to 3 rear wings then there is surely something wrong with this games physics models ! >:( I cant imagine any real world team is able to run with no rear wing at a high speed track like Monza  ???

Looks like it was a fun race. Ruskus was very unlucky - Jon's lagging car was completely invisible on the replay and Ruskus appeared to just go up! Nobodies fault, just more lovely bugs.
Congrats to the podium peeps and another mental performance from CJ. I was most envious of the guys in NGT - those battles were sooo close! Brilliant racing and much more exciting to watch than the GT's which seemed to string out a little. Glad to see the Lambo's did well  ;)
And after the worst track for an enduro, it looks like we have the best track with loads of long straights making lapping much easier for gt-ngt.
Also, well done to Radius for forgetting where reverse gear is!  ;D and to a few peeps on a great fireworks display after the finish line. Very spectacular!  8)

Surely if any track is suited to running with minimal rear wing it's Monza?! Rear wing 1 is not "no rear wing" - try crashing and removing it and see the difference! :P

I thought that comment was odd as well. F1 cars regularly run with "tea tray" rear wings at Monza to get silly speeds down the straights. 1-1 is a bit extreme but 1-2 or 1-3 is quite believable/normal imo.

That's only 1 or 2 notches lower than I would run in GTR 1. The fixed tyre model of GTR2 allows more control so less wing is possible to drive with. As Gizmo says, Monza is the lowest downforce circuit on the calendar and 1 rear wing doesn't mean they've taken the wing off, merely that it has the lowest angle to create added downforce.

I really enjoyed the race - NGT was sooooo close all the way through the race, and all the way down through the field.
Paul got a nice pole lap and kept the lead with Enzo, Leuven, myself and the fast charging PRibeiro all within a couple of seconds lap after lap.
Shark was lurking a few seconds further back as well biding his time.
Had another great dice with Leuven at the start too - I made a mistake exiting Ascari that let him through and then a few laps later Leuven lost the back end entering Ascari.
Sorry Leuven - I was right behind you and just couldn't avoid clipping your rear as you scrubbed off speed.

Then Ribeiro on a short stint passed me and Enzo and Paul to take the lead and it remained close until about lap 10 where I lost it in Ascari and smashed the car. It was a pig to drive after that and I later went off in Roggia and ended facing backwards with a tricky rejoin.
Then in the stop my pitcrew forgot to fix the car and it was a real struggle to get back up to Ribeiro for a good scrap over the last few laps where we swapped position again a couple of times and had some great late braking duels into T1.

I seemed to have a dice with pretty much everyone at some stage and the standard of driving was superb.
Thanks also for the patient GT cars that caught the battling NGTs in the Lesmo corners and waited to pass under power rather then blatting through under braking.

Grats to CJ and Shark on the wins 8)

yeah i know Monza is a low downforce circuit ::)...but thought 1-3 seemed excessively low. However just tried a 2 rear wing out and yep, works fine. Would never have dreamt of going that low in GTR1, it would have been spin-city.  :-X   No wonder i was lagging miles behind Leuvens RSR, the only time i got near it (after he spun?), i was running a 4 or 5 rear  :-[

no lapchart?

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Monza Enduro 21-01-2007 MAS/index.html)

Again problems with the log files >:(. It's almost no use making these lapcharts anymore as the logs are all messed up (GTR2 problem).

Well, my bad luck in endurance events continued last night, with another possible class win slipping from my grasp in the final few laps. It was all going so well (again) up to that point, starting with a qual lap only 0.2 off my best offline timetrial and good enough for NGT pole. Taking a leaf out of Simon's book I filled the porker up to the brim with fuel, aiming for a quick late stop to make a few places. Over the first few laps I somehow managed to keep ahead of a slightly quicker Enzo, but after a while PRibeiro got past Enzo and came charging past. Given his pace I was pretty sure that he (and Enzo) were not on full tanks so I didn't fight too hard. Enzo made it past not too long after that. On lap 15 I made an error at lesmo 2 after letting a lapper past, losing me about 8 seconds and several places. I made those back again in the following laps, as Enzo went out, PRibeiro pitted and Mo and Simon both had offs. I kept going until my tyres started to feel bad, when I pitted. I was rather distracted in my stop, as a mess up with the limiter meant that I thought I'd get a stop/go. Otherwise it seemed fine, until I looked at the fuel gauge on the way out - no extra fuel had been added! I assume this is because the strategy in the setup assumes the amount you give to be the total in the tank, when I wanted it to add that amount - bugger!. After Simon finally pitted I got the NGT lead back, but I had to pit for a splash of fuel, by which time I was way down the field  >:( Even more annoying, because the race was fixed by laps instead of time, it finished much earlier than I expected, and I would almost have been able to make the original fuel last - I had 2 laps fuel left when I pitted and there were 3 laps left. I'm not sure I would have won NGT anyway, as the extra fuel would have added time in my stop, but it would still have been very close.

Despite all this though I enjoyed the race, with no chance to relax in the whole race and some great driving through the field. Congrats to CJ and Simon for the respective wins.

Tx!

Looks like I was winging it too much too with ings of 1 and 5, then.

The 911 RSR downforce varies from a max of 65% down to a minimum of 54% so I guess even a rear wing of 1 is still producing sizeable pressure at the back. Must get braver with those wing settings!

Tell me about it! Took me ages to correct the export to import the results.

paul, i was running full tank at start, was planning to stop half way for tyres and a quick top up of fuel needed!, that bmw shot off past us both, i tried holding him up as much as poss (safely) but he got past in the end! so i figured him to be not to much of a threat and was really concentrating on yourself and mo?? in red porka? u both had unfortunate spins which left me on my own before my disco! o well, look forward to the next one ;)

Can you sent me the improved logfile next time, so the lapchart is also correct :)?

You had good pace then :notworthy: Shame you discoed though :(

Right.  :-\

Was running 1/4 wings on lambo, soft fronts, medium rears.

Had a terrible qualy, traffic induced, bad luck and bad timing, can't help it, it happens, that's racing. ::)

Then it started. The nightmare called Jure's too stoned to pay attention to details.

Started race on qualy setup (only added extra fuel), which meant brake duct 2 and radiator 3. SOB was overheating so I had to short shift, no harm done there, engine was fine. BUT, brake duct cost me and, unfortunately, lots of other drivers lots of time (not to mention some carbon fiber parts).

Rearended few NGTs due to brake pedal going sooooooft (although I have anticipated longer braking distance and acted accordingly, it still wasn't enough from time to time, I do apologise, mea culpa maxima). From the replay it may seem I have been overly aggressive while passing NGTs. Well, I wasn't, I simply had no brakes :D Same goes for chicane cutting, did it at least 5 times, not once on purpose though. Felt like a passenger and not a driver. Bloody noob.

Had plenty of aero damage, but nooooooo, not only I have not repaired it @ pitstop, noooooo, Jure was extra smart and left rear tyres on, figuring they're fine, according to GTR2SP data. Which they were, but since fronts were fresh, I had incredible oversteer in second sting (mind you, I prefer oversteering cars, but this one was so major it wasn't even funny anymore).

While trying to explain to my race engineer what's going on (that would be my GF  8)) I was struggling more and more. In last 10 laps I think I, ermm, left the track at least once a lap. Nothing helped, eased off to 1.50 pace (in a GT!!) and still I couldn't hold it on the track.  ??? Was funny though, there was a trio of two M3s and one 911 that I've passed at least 10 times, felt kind of guilty about it since they were racing all the time.  :D

Horrible, I tell ya, horrible.

But fun, at least I was stubborn enough to finish, cause I sure did want to slam the car into the barrier at 2nd chicane as the race progressed (more then once, trust me :D ) but I figured, what the hell, I must finish to get at least that single point for the team. ;D

 ;) Ahh so that's why my rear view mirror had a seizure! You had no brakes!! ;D
My race was pretty much the same gutted really as I was hoping to have a good a race as GTL, but alas no chance, never mind, I'll try harder next time.

Don't worry mate, I was half way round and you just helped me complete the job  ;D
TBH I was probably going around anyway and you did do well to scrub off the speed you did.

You were way faster down the straights though, maybe my rear wing of 4 and heavy fuel load were hurting too much. :o

IRL you'd have had pad faide - a firm pedal, just no stopping power. Been there, done that - much scarier than a soft pedal! :o

I changed to 3 rear wing at the last moment after seeing the speed of the Beemers on the straights in qual.
It made it slightly quicker in a straight line but I had alot less car control, especially in Ascari where I went off twice loosing the rear end.
I might go 3 again later but I have no idea how peeps can race with it set to 1 or 2 in the porker!

See you later  :fencing: