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Practice 1:	20:16	(9 mins)	full time drivers only
Practice 2:	20:25	(10 mins)	reserves may join too
Qual 2:	20:35	(25 mins)
Race:	21:00	(21 laps; approximately 40 minutes)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any G2 or NGT from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.2 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27) (see this thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2228.0)) (G2 cars will not score points).
Weather: Dry
Track: Monza GP 2004
Race Start Time 14:00

Server: UKGTR NGT Academy
Password: here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2310)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=40).
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers should remember that they get only two free changes of car in each series.
(5) The race will be based on distance, not time, to avoid a premature end.

Ha!

I rely solely on Orange for this one, only re-registered yesterday so I think my chances of making this one are slim :(

Colin

I'm way off the pace shown in the masters event..

Time for some Dick Dastardly tactics  :devil:  :P

I was under the impression that BMW M3s were G2 cars. Or are the classes displayed in GTR2 incorrect?

They're correct Nevski, the ballast adjustments even things out though, allowing a greater spread of cars to be used.

So M3s don"t score points. But can they still take points away from NGTs that finish behind them?

The Beamer is in the UKGTR NGT classification so counts for points as any other NGT does.

Okay, I see what you mean. So what do the announcements mean by saying G2 cars won't score points?

The Porka 993.

NGT - Drivers Championship Standings!

1   Paul Richards         155   
2   perdy450              141

 :helpsmilie:

Its 7 pm and am no starting to fit mother board in main puter so may not make it.cheers gerald

You two a little nervous then!

Will make a point of getting out of the way!!

Good Luck guys

M.

That was a waste of another Tuesday evening, qually was ok but the race for me was a shambles. I even managed to drive into the back of Beholder while on the pit limiter at the start, sorry for that. Ruined my race as the aero damage lost me grip at the front. Rest was worth forgetting. Left in the end to save anyone else anguish  :'(

Firstly the Picnic incident on the 1st lap.
No apology requiered mate.
The cars in front of me were on the pit limiter so i closed up and switched mine on.
All of a sudden the brakes on the car infront slammed on.
Causing me to nearly career up the arse of the car in front.
And then causing a knock on effect.
So it was'nt your fault mate.

Secondly.
Whats the point of turning up to these races.
If the car behind so badly wants to get past,he rams you off.
Twice it happened.
It got to a point where i was eventually 15th from 4th.
So i was totally cheesed of and eventually lost my head and floored into a wall.
Just so i have'nt got an unknown as to why i did'nt finish.

Anyway.
Check out the replay Picnic to see the rolling start.
I mean did something suddenly run across the track or what.

Another excellent race at the back of the field!
Apart from the kind gentleman who pushed me off at the second chicane!?
Otherwise lots of very close quality racing.
Managed an 11th for my first race with Team Oldie!
I must get extra marks for being bald and 11th!? is that not in the rules!? ;D

Go Team Oldie!! ( Not sure what happened to my team mates!? )

M.

 :)

Well done Luke :thumbup2:
Not to much history, qualified 18th...finished 10th (not bad at all) :sweatdrop:
and almost all race alone :yawn:
I´d wish that was rainning during race :whistling:
or Monza had 8 chicanes :eek:
But i really have fun when driving the Vertigo :yes:

Thanks all

cheers

Some good racing there - pretty eventful race...managed to finish 15th i think, but not been on GTR on a while.
I swapped places a few times with Reign Man, but i spun the porker, and i think he had better speed out of the corners - good stuff though!
Grats to podiums, and everyone who took part - the qually times were pretty tight from 1st to last  8)

well... my first race online ever. Actually my third full race in GTR(1 and 2) ever :)
qualified 9th and finished 9th i think.

chose the wrong tires i think, 'cause at the end i didn't have much grip. I don't have much knowledge of these things so thanks to Ruskus for giving me a setup.

Not too bad for my first race... don't think i violated the rules and didn't ram into others. :)

Good race / Bad race.

Got nudged on the pace lap .... lets see the replay before anyone apportions blame shall we?

Solid start, got stuck a little behind Perdy as his tyres came up to temp, but after that I didn't have the legs to really challenge but I was close enough if something were to happen .... and he did when he lost the rear on the final turn.  Nothing I could do as the car got sideways and we ended up with a solid side to side contact.  That left me in second - liking this.

Perdy did a sterling job reeling me in (partly due to some untidy laps from me :() until another mistake let him by on what would become the lap to ruin my race.  Another poor exit let Dave alongside, and heading into the braking zone there was nothing I could do but let him go by .... and Beholder too I think.  Fuming at the mistakes to drop me off the podium, I missed my braking point and went off on the final turn .... dropping me to 7th.  After that it was time to sightsee a bit, nothing was going to happen.  Boring few laps to finish.

Enjoyed the first 14 laps - enjoyed trying to keep hold stay close-ish to you Perdy.

Hated the last 7 laps.

Well done, I'm proud of ya  ;) ;D

Thats the first race I haven't enjoyed in this league. It all started in qualifying was doing 50.4s before the race and couldn't hook one lap together at first. Finally get it sorted and am looking at about top 3 (wouldn't have got to Perdie) when a spun car is pulling away after a spin right in the middle of the parabolica. Racing I suppose.

Started about 7th or 8th. Sorry to Picnic at the start, turned left to avoid Beholder and T boned you as you were turned around. Managed to get up to 4th after one overtake and an incident or two. Catching the first three quite quickly. The 360GTC was no match for the RSRs down the straights but I was much quicker out of the corners. Got a good run on Adam's BMW out of Ascari and he pulled agressively but fairly to the right hand side of the track all the way towards Parabolica. Got a run on the outside which probably wasn't the best place to put your car in the opening laps while chasing the title and we came together and into the gravel I went. Probably my fault will look at the replay.

No bother still should be able to get somewhere half respectable I thought and then the fun really began.... Will need to watch the replay first before I do anything else and will follow through the proper channels but there was some serious blocking and a bit door banging. Oh well I am not the sort to want any penalties awarded but it was pretty bad.

Congrats to Luke for the win and Purdie for the championship lead, looking good now mate.

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Monza NGT 23-01-2007 ACA/index.html)

Replay (http://ukgtr.simracing.org.uk/Monza%20-%20NGT%20Sprint%20Academy%20070123.zip) and Provisional Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=291) are available

Forgot need to apoligise to team mate Chunky. He was chasing me and I stuck a wheel off on the exit of Lesmo one. Think I then clipped the right hand side barriers which sent me back across straight into him. Very sorry mate  :-[

Firstly sorry to picnic  ??? don't know what happened at the start but it was me that clip you from behind  :-[ everybody seemed to brake infront and I didn't have time to stop.
Secondly apologise to reign man, I out braked myself into roggia and collected you  :-[ (still managed to have a good scrap at the end).
And no worries to Paul, you had nowhere to go M8 and I happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time  ;)
As for the race really wasn't good for me, managed to qualli well, but my set up for the race was rubbish and I would have been better off leaving as is.

Congrats to Luke for the win

Oh dear. Really sorry for that belt up the arse into the 2nd chicane, Martin :( That caught me totally by surprise - I just braked in my usual spot, but for some reason the magnets wouldn't let me go, and I hit you. I served myself with a drivethrough on the next lap, but obviously that's of no consolation.

On a bad day for drivers whose names begin with 'M', sorry also to Mike Cooper, who I got into the rear quarter of, after a 'misunderstanding' at the Variante Ascari - it looked like yo were going wide, so I tried to take the inside line, but I clipped you. Sorry for the push. Did wait for you on the main straight though.

I totally hate that track >:(

fun race but a bit of a mare!

managed a suicidal quali lap! and had time in the last ten mins to hone my race setup and sort out pressures etc. It was all going so well! Then before the race I decided to re-calibrate my steering and throttle and brake....never done it before...so not quite sure why i did  ???

On race start Luke pounced on me in my typical cautious first couple of corners. I sat behind him and the car kept snapping under braking, recalibrating the brake pedal had made it more sensitive! and then driving round the chicane the wheel knocked out of alignment, so drove for three laps with the wheel at an angle down the straight!................lol in all fairness this only effected my braking...

Luke did a great job pulling out a comfy lead...I had Adam sitting behind me keeping on constant pressure! Then i lost it in last corner, cud do nothing but sit there...i was at the side of the road and unfortunately it was still on racing line. Sorry Adam!!!!!!! I was paranoid it wud have broken your suspension but it seemed okay....

.....I was down to 4th, Dave made a slight mistake and caught back up to adam and had a great slip-streaming battle!!! Most fun all race!! i had a crap entry into that chicane and saw you run wide on exit, i was trying to get over and give u room to get back on.

great fun adam  ;)

The whole time i was looking in mirror to see where Paul R was...now i know  :( had some crap luck in recent races

grats to Luke, drove a flawless race...with professional consistency!!  :clap:

I was all set to let you by into Ascari as I was struggling on the brakes there - then I saw you in my mirror and knew I could take the line, to my huge relief.

My qualifying was utter carp, ended up 11th and miles behind Picnic's TVR. In theory the M3 is the car to have, and I had to abandon the 350Z for this race because it's so down on power, but the M3 is massively heavier than the Z and whilst I can do single laps nearly 2s faster I struggle to keep hold of it for a whole race. I just couldn't engage my qualifying brain and get dropping massive amounts of time in Ascari; never mind, a lowly starting position doesn't usually cost me much. ;)

Race started well and in the early laps I had a few good battles, especially with TinMan's M3, as various drivers chucked themselves off the road ahead. At one point I was actually past Perdy and into 3rd but managed to run off the track (did that a lot, never losing massive amounts of time but doing it far too often) and give the place back.

Then had a monster battle with Nev's RSR in the last few laps. The M3 is very quick in a straight line but it's weight means it struggles on the brakes and I was having to be very, very forceful braking for the first chicane and for Parabolica to prevent a pass. At one point I thought I might have cut the second chicane slightly trying to stay ahead but had a quick look at the replay and think I was clean. As we came to start the final lap we were catching Exteg Martin's lapped 360 GTC and I put my lights on hoping he would move over and let us by as a pair on the front straight, but it was not to be - which was fine and perfectly reasonable, but unfortunately he spun in the first chicane and Nev got through I didn't, which spoiled what should've been a thrilling final lap with my rears being well past their best. :'(

After that I had to concentrate even harder with some slight front aero damage and my rears shot to stop TinMan picking up 4th from me.

I'm really not sure whether I enjoyed that or not. The M3 just doesn't suit me, all that weight moving around means that you can't afford to let it step out of line or you lose a huge chunk of momentum gathering it back up. The battles were very exciting but I came away disappointed with my performance - and my loss of 3rd in the drivers championship.

Now I'm not sure what to do in the Endurance race. ???

Just looking at the replay, loving the battle to keep Perdy behind me .... just had enough in the M3 to stop you getting by.  Shame I ballsed it up as it was a corker.

Just been reading the 'aliens' thread ( ;) ) and noticed some of the masters had the same problem I did - the little position display in the top right (yes, I use the HUD) was all over the place - showing me in all sorts of places from 15th downwards. It tended to sort itself out everytime I passed a timing beam, but was disconcerting not knowing if the game was going to kick me off any second, or whether it was registering my laps. Quite annoying.

just checked replay too and didn't realise the pace lap collision....

....it looks like my fault, i put on limiter and it backed up the whole fireld... sorry picnic and Paul especially  :(

Congrats to everybody!
Good race for me,quallified 2nd after only 2 fast laps and was able to sit in the pits for the rest of the session.
I was really nervous at start of race cause I didnt want to do anything stupid and knock Perdy of or something like that,but I was able to get round him cleanly and started to pull away from the pack.Was surprised to pull away from Perdy so quickly.....
After that I was just lapping as consistently as possible and was able to not spin or make too many time costly mistakes.
Too many points away leaders to challenge for championship  :'(

p.s.thanks for all the congrats Perdy  :D  ;)

Not sure if thats pointed at me paul but i do know there was a few bumps between us. Both bumps happened on same bend and on both occasions i had accelerated out of the bend and followed my usual line into middle of track which i can be seen clearly doing on most laps of the race. Unfortunatly you ran into my rear driver side.

In no way was i trying to block you passing and at times i can be clearly seen taking left side of track to let you by although you never had the pace. When you did get by it was due to very late breaking and cutting the 1st chicane, to which this time i ran into the back of you.

If my driving was out of line accept my apologies.

good race guys, well done to podium.

Gutted, cut to desktop with the dreaded old blue screen of death, then a computer re-started ended my race on lap 13......
think i have an over heating issue somewhere..... been happing a few times over the last week now! hope to get sorted for the enduro this week end!!

 :'( :'( :'(

Munkez

I've got to agree with you mate.
Just watched the replay.
And it looks like every bodys limiter was on from 2nd back to picnic apart from yours.
And when you did engage it.
it was as if you slammed your break on.


Should'nt we have a gentle slowing of pace before the last turn.
And also put the limiters on before the entry in to that last turn.
At least then it acts like a marker for drivers on when the limiter is going to be activated.
I mean take for instance.
Perdy didnt put his limiter on until he was nearly on the grid.
At donington it went on at the last turn.
And zhuhai was before the last turn.
Might be an idea.
At least we'll know when we can close right up on the car infront.
Without worries of him slamming on brakes

Well that was a contrast to my endurance run the other day in the 360 Macaroni. The RSR is not only much easier to drive, it also has some oomph down the straights, which really is a prerequisite at Monza. Had a fairly average qual after my quickest lap hit traffic at the final chicane, so started from 10th. Apologies to Tinman, who I tapped lightly on the rear at the start of the pace lap in my overexuberance to get going. Fortunately, no damage was done according to my pit crew.

Got the jump on Frankeeeeeeeeh braking into turn one at the off, so straight up to 9th. A few shennanigans going on ahead in the first couple of laps found me promoted to 6th very quickly without having to do anything except gently warm my tires. Then a lapse in concentration and I just caught the quicksand on the exit of lesbo 1.. Only lost about 3 seconds but it was enough for Dave to power past me down the back straight.

By lap 15 Dave and I were running 4th and 5th respectively, still no more than a second or two apart. I was feeling quietly confident though, because I was using Claus Juel's excellent RSR race setup, and my tires were showing no signs whatsoever of any drop in performance. A mistake by I think it was Adam meant Dave and I were fighting over the final podium spot going into the last four laps.

I gradually eeked my way up to Dave's M3 a couple of tenths per lap, and managed to catch his slipstream exiting para with about 3 to go. Was level and on the inside braking into turn 1, but Dave was the last of the late brakers and somehow got through the chicane still just ahead. So, last gasp attempt as I repeated the same manouevre crossing the line to start the final lap. This time, I just managed to keep my nose ahead into turn 1, only to find a lapped 360 Bolognese had spun and blocked the exit to the chicane. I just managed to steer around it but Dave wasn't so fortunate and lost a few seconds. I was home and dry in 3rd, and the 360 had proven me wrong - it was useful for something at Monza after all.  ::)

Finally I have to dedicate this podium to Claus Juel, because without that killer RSR setup my tires would probably have been toast long before the race finished. Thank you Claus, you really are a great dane!  ;D

We do not apportion blame for incidents in public. The next person to do it will receive a posting ban! >:(

All we need is for people to engage their brains on the pace lap. We'll be reviewing what happened as part of the moderation process but common sense dictates that you leave a sensible gap ahead as you approach the final turn, wait for the car in front to turn its limiter on (clearly visible because the tail lights start flashing) and then move up behind and engage your own limiter.

The limiter point has to be done a track by track basis because some tracks, like Monza, have a very long run between the last turn and the start line.

A "smart" way of engaging the limiter, is to engage it when you are still driving normal pace 80mph, and let the limiter slow your car down gradually. People will see you lights blink and you'll slow down over a long distance. It's also a good idea to blink your headlights just before you put the limiter on, another indication of what's about to happen.

Thats exactly what i done dave.
Adam was in front of me and i left a decent gap.
He then engagaed his limiter.
And i closed up then engaged mine.
Theres was no need for gradually slowing down because when we engaged, we were already at pit limit speed.
Im not blaming anyone,i just think we need a clear understanding of the procedure.
I came to a virtual stop after breaking,whilst at the pit limit speed

Apologies for that I do know the rules and delibrately didn't post any names but realise nothing should be mentioned in public and i won't mention any incident again. Was a bit over agitated last night after pratically kissing the championship goodbye so apologies for over exaggerating nothing incidents. I will shut up now before I break the rule again in a Life of Brian esque manner!

As for the start it is always a slightly tricky affair but perhaps something strange happened if Perdie's car suddenly slowed right up when engaging his limiter if other behind already had it on?? He did say he was having a controller problem (not bad enough in my book  :P ) and I know I have had some strange results with it when engaging at high revs or in a high gear (not that he was doing that!) It was me in pole at Zhuhai so apologise for everyone for the long start after engaging before the last corner! I was so pleased I didn't caused a pile up I went off at the second corner in celebration!

looking on motec my speed never dropped below 36mph...it dropped from 50 to 36....so just pointing out i didn't drop below that speed, there just seemed to be a 'chain effect'. Regardless...moderators will have final say!!! lol


hardly mate! still 2 rounds left with only a 19 point difference! With the UKGTR scoring system that can easily disappear!!!!! :(

Hi Andy,

I hope you didn't mis-understand me I was just trying to suggest it could have been something technical that caused it. I just thought that the game may have had a bit of a funny and caused your car to check up rather than slow to the pit limit as it should. I had a problem earlier in the practice where the game went a bit choppy and my Motec and other parts of the cockpit had blue, green and red pixels in certain places. I had to disconnect and come back in to clear it (to reload the 3D engine I suppose) although it seemed to be ok but didn't want to take any chances. I also had all the cars dissappear towards the end so it wasn't perfect last night like normal. 

lol not at all!!!!  :D

i'll delete that bit cos i was only joking! probs with forums is misunderstanding, probably why in the rules they ask us not to discuss events from the race  :whistling:

hock nat next! shud be a blast!!!! need praccy cos its not a easy one for me  :-\ ;D

sorry dave  :(
I was watching you guys approching but thought I would be clear of the 1st corner and then let you guys past, I then spun right in front of you, felt a right div  >:(

sorry again

xtegmartin

anyone know wots happening with the corner cutting here??

I had about 20,000 reported cuts and am sorta anxious to see if i'm gonna be told off soon or not  ???

i dont mind, but just wanna know  :)

(just for championship...i'll never cut again(in sims anyhoooo) ;))

As you can imagine, the workload has been a bit higher after Monza, so I'm still working on this. I'll try and get it finished this week.