Title: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 20, 2007, 09:34:25 PM +0000
| Practice 1: | 20:00 | (15 mins) | full time drivers only |
| Practice 2: | 20:15 | (10 mins) | reserves may join too |
| Qual 1: | 20:25 | (5 mins) | Masters may join too |
| Qual 2: | 20:30 | (25 mins) | |
| Race: | 20:55 | (42 laps) | note: no warmup! |
Cars allowed: any GT, G2 or NGT from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.2 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27) (see this thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2228.0)) (G2 cars will not score points).
Drivers registered only for the Masters must take a G2 car (the 993 GT2)
Weather: to be decided just before the race based on real-world weather according to the Endurance rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=42).
Track: Monza GP 2004
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: All drivers must make a minimum of one pit stop. This must involve entering the pit lane at the speed limit, and coming to a complete standstill in the designated pit box. Tyres do not have to be changed and no fuel has to be added. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.
Server: UKGTR Endurance Academy
Password: here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2325)
Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=39).
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers should remember that they get only two free changes of car in each series.
(5) The race will be based on distance, not time, to avoid a premature end, and is 1 lap shorter than the Masters race. In the event of a wet (not changeable) race, the distance will be shortened to 39 laps.
(6) Masters drivers (those not registered for the Academy) may join from Qualifying 1 in G2 cars. A Masters driver who takes any other car will be excluded from the race.
(7) For this race only, the Use Of Track Surface (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7#cutting) rules are relaxed so that GTR2 will be the sole arbiter of whether a corner has been cut.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: LuKe#69 on January 21, 2007, 06:49:31 PM +0000
Any ideas what times we should be doing at Monza??Never raced here so dont really know what to aim for.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 21, 2007, 06:54:35 PM +0000
Qualifying pace in NGT will be around 1:49 or 1:50. Keep an eye out for the results from tonight's Masters race as that will give you a good idea of the sort of pace to expect from the faster cars.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Radius on January 21, 2007, 07:44:26 PM +0000
Qualifying pace in NGT will be around 1:49 or 1:50. Keep an eye out for the results from tonight's Masters race as that will give you a good idea of the sort of pace to expect from the faster cars.
...then add 10 seconds :P
no, Dave's right...but i think NGT times should be in the 48's for RSR.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: LuKe#69 on January 21, 2007, 10:09:48 PM +0000
Cant get into 1:50 yet,just very low 1:51....Have to get some more practise tomorrow night.
Dont suppose your able to get those times in the 350 are you Giz?
End of the championship is looking tight.... :-\ looks like its going to be fun :o
Dont suppose your able to get those times in the 350 are you Giz?
End of the championship is looking tight.... :-\ looks like its going to be fun :o
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 21, 2007, 11:25:09 PM +0000
Dont suppose your able to get those times in the 350 are you Giz?
All will become clear after the NGT Sprint race on Tuesday.
At least, clearer than it is now... ;)
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Reign Man on January 23, 2007, 02:04:07 PM +0000
Christ! I hope that there are folks that are around the 1:54 mark.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: linco24 on January 24, 2007, 09:28:33 AM +0000
Yes that'll be me, around the 54/55's atm :-\
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Adam Parle on January 24, 2007, 09:37:37 AM +0000
You going to be taking the Nissan for this then Dave or taking the M3 as you did last night? It'd be nice not to have to catch you up after the pit-stop ..... again! ;D
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 24, 2007, 11:25:12 AM +0000
You going to be taking the Nissan for this then Dave or taking the M3 as you did last night? It'd be nice not to have to catch you up after the pit-stop ..... again! ;D
I haven't decided yet. I had thought that the M3 was the car of choice but I really didn't get on with it last night. ???
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Blunder on January 24, 2007, 11:42:44 AM +0000
Dave,
You didn't desert your faithfull Nissan!?
I'm shocked!!
M.
;D
You didn't desert your faithfull Nissan!?
I'm shocked!!
M.
;D
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: popabawa on January 24, 2007, 01:25:29 PM +0000
Dave, any news on whether Masters will be allowed into this one in a G2 or G3?
I've had a really great time at Monza in the last two races so I'm keen for another go if possible ;D
I've had a really great time at Monza in the last two races so I'm keen for another go if possible ;D
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 25, 2007, 09:18:57 AM +0000
Dave, any news on whether Masters will be allowed into this one in a G2 or G3?
We've decided to allow Masters to join as 'second reserves' from a special 5-minute Qualifying 1 session, using only the 993 GT2 car (the only one currently in G2). The the final two races, if this is a success we'll probably allow G3 cars too, but not at Monza because of the large speed differences. :) First post updated to match.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: popabawa on January 25, 2007, 09:30:10 AM +0000
Cheers Dave 8)
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Jeffrey on January 25, 2007, 12:15:20 PM +0000
The GT2 has the same top speed at Monza as the Lambo, so it's just as much faster than the NGT, as the NGT's are to the G3.
So the GT2 is a few sec faster than the other NGT's, so eventhough they don't score points, they could still lead the race. People who are actually fighting for points then, who are leading for their class, will actually be driving in, let's say 3rd or 4th etc.
IMO, giving the fasters drivers a slower car, could give some more interesting things. Now it's the fastest car, in masters hands.
So the GT2 is a few sec faster than the other NGT's, so eventhough they don't score points, they could still lead the race. People who are actually fighting for points then, who are leading for their class, will actually be driving in, let's say 3rd or 4th etc.
IMO, giving the fasters drivers a slower car, could give some more interesting things. Now it's the fastest car, in masters hands.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 25, 2007, 12:26:32 PM +0000
The GT2 has the same top speed at Monza as the Lambo, so it's just as much faster than the NGT, as the NGT's are to the G3.
So the GT2 is a few sec faster than the other NGT's, so eventhough they don't score points, they could still lead the race. People who are actually fighting for points then, who are leading for their class, will actually be driving in, let's say 3rd or 4th etc.
So the GT2 is a few sec faster than the other NGT's, so eventhough they don't score points, they could still lead the race. People who are actually fighting for points then, who are leading for their class, will actually be driving in, let's say 3rd or 4th etc.
In Endurance the GTs will be comprehensively ahead of any G2s. NGTs don't get class positions during the race (boo! hiss!) so it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Jeffrey on January 25, 2007, 12:41:02 PM +0000
Oh okay, the G2 belongs to the GT's now. Should be fun. If I can make this one, I might be their with the driving picnictable ;D.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Simon Gymer on January 25, 2007, 12:44:36 PM +0000
Don't forget there were 24 drivers at the last race so that would have left only 2 more slots for Masters so there's only small opportunity for extra Masters to turn up.
Yes that's also very annoying in single player mode. "You've failed to score any points", says the pit blokey. Ya what?! I just won NGT you plonker. ;D
NGTs don't get class positions during the race (boo! hiss!) so it doesn't matter.
Yes that's also very annoying in single player mode. "You've failed to score any points", says the pit blokey. Ya what?! I just won NGT you plonker. ;D
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Radius on January 25, 2007, 01:06:26 PM +0000
Yes that's also very annoying in single player mode. "You've failed to score any points", says the pit blokey. Ya what?! I just won NGT you plonker. ;D
:laugh:
What is plonker? :-[
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: popabawa on January 25, 2007, 01:17:25 PM +0000
What is plonker? :-[
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=plonker
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Radius on January 25, 2007, 03:05:14 PM +0000
What is plonker? :-[
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=plonker
lol ahhh thanks..thats a cool site! :D
Now i know quite a few "plonkers" ;D
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Radius on January 25, 2007, 03:15:16 PM +0000
Ok so ive received PM's on Endurance racing and general help...so i replied with a "few" words for the Academy and also some Masters dudes ;) :D
Might be usefull to some or just plain nonsense..but there you go :laugh:
Quote from: Rad's PM to some good bloke, not Perdy as he wears blue stripped jerseys that his girl bought him 
Ok i checked your race results so far and i see you've done pretty well for only two races.
I see you not sure about pitsops (unfortunately that only comes from doing more races but a few things on pitstops id like to mention)
1) Calculate how much fuel you'll need b4 the race and setup in garage appropriately, the in garage one is a bit off at times.
2) When stopping i use manual pit control (saves time) ignition and stater buttons mapped as well so I have to turn engine off myself...i turn engine off just as I'm about to slow and hit my pitbox coz the dumb ass pit guys stand there for a while and wait for no reason after uve accepted the pitboard details! That can save 5 or more secs right there!
If you find ur tires are sh*t and ur a few laps before your stop, pit in...add a few laps extra fuel to compensate and use the new rubber's grip to be quicker than ur slower opponents at that same time...some ppl make the mistake to carry on abit too long with worn wheels but pitting two laps b4 them can gain u places when it all works out.
In endurance you'll be amazed how much time is lost/gained during stops (check the unofficial lapcharts to see)...in masters some guys make up 20 secs through efficient stops! So practice them!!! pit entry speed and getting the fueling and tires changing going as soon as possible..dont rush it...but with more races it becomes second nature.
In Endurance...again remember to lap consistently, leave the mistakes to others! :) Monitor your tire temps and DONT overdrive them be smooth make them last but keep the pace up. They will wear out and accept the fact you will be slower as they wear so again DONT overdrive them just be smooth.
Most of my race strats for 40 min stints are to go with medium rears and soft fronts as thats what most of the other aliens i race with do as well.
The trick to being fast over a race is not to drive harder but concentrate more, stay calm, make the right choices and the race will come to you...most ppl chase the race too much! :( Smooth in, fast out be sensible and the times will come down. Make it hard for them to pass but always be fair and concede if your beaten fair and square.
For me the ultimate endurance driver here is CJ...consistency and pace...its unbeatable!
Good luck in your race but most of all have a laugh!
Cheers
Rad
I see you not sure about pitsops (unfortunately that only comes from doing more races but a few things on pitstops id like to mention)
1) Calculate how much fuel you'll need b4 the race and setup in garage appropriately, the in garage one is a bit off at times.
2) When stopping i use manual pit control (saves time) ignition and stater buttons mapped as well so I have to turn engine off myself...i turn engine off just as I'm about to slow and hit my pitbox coz the dumb ass pit guys stand there for a while and wait for no reason after uve accepted the pitboard details! That can save 5 or more secs right there!
If you find ur tires are sh*t and ur a few laps before your stop, pit in...add a few laps extra fuel to compensate and use the new rubber's grip to be quicker than ur slower opponents at that same time...some ppl make the mistake to carry on abit too long with worn wheels but pitting two laps b4 them can gain u places when it all works out.
In endurance you'll be amazed how much time is lost/gained during stops (check the unofficial lapcharts to see)...in masters some guys make up 20 secs through efficient stops! So practice them!!! pit entry speed and getting the fueling and tires changing going as soon as possible..dont rush it...but with more races it becomes second nature.
In Endurance...again remember to lap consistently, leave the mistakes to others! :) Monitor your tire temps and DONT overdrive them be smooth make them last but keep the pace up. They will wear out and accept the fact you will be slower as they wear so again DONT overdrive them just be smooth.
Most of my race strats for 40 min stints are to go with medium rears and soft fronts as thats what most of the other aliens i race with do as well.
The trick to being fast over a race is not to drive harder but concentrate more, stay calm, make the right choices and the race will come to you...most ppl chase the race too much! :( Smooth in, fast out be sensible and the times will come down. Make it hard for them to pass but always be fair and concede if your beaten fair and square.
For me the ultimate endurance driver here is CJ...consistency and pace...its unbeatable!
Good luck in your race but most of all have a laugh!
Cheers
Rad
Might be usefull to some or just plain nonsense..but there you go :laugh:
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 25, 2007, 10:33:45 PM +0000
Important!
In the light of the large amount of corner cutting which has happened in the Masters and NGT Sprint races, for this race only, the Use Of Track Surface (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7#cutting) rules are relaxed so that GTR2 will be the sole arbiter of whether a corner has been cut.
That means that drivers have more leeway than normal to use the green painted areas as well as the curbs.
The rules about giving back a place taken (or successfully defended) as the direct result of a cut (as determined by the game, for this event) remain in effect.
In addition, a driver who causes an incident after losing control because of heavy use of curbs or green tarmac areas may be held accountable for that incident in circumstances which would normally be classed as a racing incident.
In the light of the large amount of corner cutting which has happened in the Masters and NGT Sprint races, for this race only, the Use Of Track Surface (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7#cutting) rules are relaxed so that GTR2 will be the sole arbiter of whether a corner has been cut.
That means that drivers have more leeway than normal to use the green painted areas as well as the curbs.
The rules about giving back a place taken (or successfully defended) as the direct result of a cut (as determined by the game, for this event) remain in effect.
In addition, a driver who causes an incident after losing control because of heavy use of curbs or green tarmac areas may be held accountable for that incident in circumstances which would normally be classed as a racing incident.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: LuKe#69 on January 27, 2007, 02:47:08 PM +0000
Sounds like a good idea Giz,bit hard on this track to say whats cutting and whats not...
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Kerr on January 27, 2007, 09:53:37 PM +0000
Sounds like a good idea Giz,bit hard on this track to say whats cutting and whats not...
It had been defined what was originally allowed with pictures etc. The kerbs are placed to highlight the track but I know from previous online open forum races, the normal racing line is actually the opposite side of the kerbs, i.e well off the tarmac.
Don't think it's hard to understand but everyone uses the games lack of detection to their own advantage. I can't master it though but others have it down to perfection lap after lap
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: silver53 on January 27, 2007, 11:46:10 PM +0000
Hi Have now sort of got Puter running but have bad cold/flue so will not be at ngt on morrow or gt on tues.cheers gerald ps hope I soon feel better
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: ossie on January 28, 2007, 03:09:37 PM +0000
I will hopefully there 2 nite in the usual lambo. Hope it doesn't rain! :o Lets hope I do not get lapped by the aliens(AGAIN) :P
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: cej on January 28, 2007, 03:25:47 PM +0000
I have practiced corner cutting a bit and decided to try it out in the race. But only in limited amount on some kerbs ,I can gain almost a second if doing it right.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Don on January 28, 2007, 03:30:18 PM +0000
LoL cej, you'll have to show me where ;D
The server seems like it's been set to changable weather conditions! But looks like the real forcast is going to be dry for Monza?
The server seems like it's been set to changable weather conditions! But looks like the real forcast is going to be dry for Monza?
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Joss on January 28, 2007, 04:05:34 PM +0000
Top Gear's back on tonight! We can't watch it! Don't have a DVD/Video recorder! noooooooooooooooo
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 28, 2007, 04:07:02 PM +0000
Top Gear's back on tonight! We can't watch it! Don't have a DVD/Video recorder! noooooooooooooooo
It'll be repeated later in the week.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: will16v on January 28, 2007, 09:58:38 PM +0000
god - i blew the goddam MC12's engine on lap 9 after stringing a few PB's for myself - ah well... >:(
Gotta say thanks to Truetom for the courteous driving - thanks m8 ;)
Well done to all that entered, and all that managed to finish :laugh:
Gotta say thanks to Truetom for the courteous driving - thanks m8 ;)
Well done to all that entered, and all that managed to finish :laugh:
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: John on January 28, 2007, 10:05:43 PM +0000
Well what can i say.
But another pointless race from me.
Just when you think things are going well.
All my own doing as usual.
Anyway got off to a cracking start.
Got the drop on Dave on the rolling start.i couldn't believe my luck when i flew past him.
Putting me right behind Adam.
Adam made a mistake which let me through.
At that point i was thinking this cant be happening.making 2 places in 1 lap.
When usually Ive lost 2 places in a lap.
That put me behind Luke who was pulling away from the rest as usually.
With another Porsche in front of him.
Forgive me but i cant remember his name.
Then it happened again.
I couldn't believe it,I'd closed them gap on Luke and was all over him.
No one was more surprised as me.
I seemed to be a hell of a lot faster.
And i think he was feeling the pressure for a bit as i was right up his arse trying to get round him.
He resorted to weaving down the straights so i couldn't catch his slip stream.
Which i found amusing.
Then it happened.
We came to the big chicane and i was virtually touching him all the way through.
My heart was pounding at that point.
Trouble is,because i was that close,i had no visability of the track.
And turned into the last left hander a bit to early.And put my tyre on the grass.
Spinning me down the track and into the wall.
Gutted.
Had to go to pits for repairs and came out last.
54 seconds behind the next position.
anyway,after 10laps i had got it down to 30.
Then went off again.
Give up after that.
Consistency is letting me down,and i dont really think i can cut in this league.
So before the next race,i am seriously going to consider retiring.
I think my 1st 2 races were just a fluke.
so concrates to the winners,well done lads.
But another pointless race from me.
Just when you think things are going well.
All my own doing as usual.
Anyway got off to a cracking start.
Got the drop on Dave on the rolling start.i couldn't believe my luck when i flew past him.
Putting me right behind Adam.
Adam made a mistake which let me through.
At that point i was thinking this cant be happening.making 2 places in 1 lap.
When usually Ive lost 2 places in a lap.
That put me behind Luke who was pulling away from the rest as usually.
With another Porsche in front of him.
Forgive me but i cant remember his name.
Then it happened again.
I couldn't believe it,I'd closed them gap on Luke and was all over him.
No one was more surprised as me.
I seemed to be a hell of a lot faster.
And i think he was feeling the pressure for a bit as i was right up his arse trying to get round him.
He resorted to weaving down the straights so i couldn't catch his slip stream.
Which i found amusing.
Then it happened.
We came to the big chicane and i was virtually touching him all the way through.
My heart was pounding at that point.
Trouble is,because i was that close,i had no visability of the track.
And turned into the last left hander a bit to early.And put my tyre on the grass.
Spinning me down the track and into the wall.
Gutted.
Had to go to pits for repairs and came out last.
54 seconds behind the next position.
anyway,after 10laps i had got it down to 30.
Then went off again.
Give up after that.
Consistency is letting me down,and i dont really think i can cut in this league.
So before the next race,i am seriously going to consider retiring.
I think my 1st 2 races were just a fluke.
so concrates to the winners,well done lads.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: will16v on January 28, 2007, 10:13:50 PM +0000
Don't be so hasty m8 - stick with it, some of these guys have been simracing for a long time.
I have been simracing for about 18 months, and only in the last 6 months, am finding consistency, and getting the set ups right.
I have been simracing for about 18 months, and only in the last 6 months, am finding consistency, and getting the set ups right.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Munkez on January 28, 2007, 10:32:44 PM +0000
Martin what a fantastic battle we had going for a while, shame I snatched into 1st going into the second lesmo... would have made for a tight finish!!
BUT, shouldnt have been in that position in the first place, am I right in saying the pit crew empty your tank before putting more fuel in?? my boys also filled me back up to the brim :-[ all 26 gallons/litre's (not sure)..... need to practice these pitstops more, lost Soooooooo much time time there!
any tips?
1 more question, was there enough fuel in 1 tank to make the whole race?
Munk
BUT, shouldnt have been in that position in the first place, am I right in saying the pit crew empty your tank before putting more fuel in?? my boys also filled me back up to the brim :-[ all 26 gallons/litre's (not sure)..... need to practice these pitstops more, lost Soooooooo much time time there!
any tips?
1 more question, was there enough fuel in 1 tank to make the whole race?
Munk
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: picnic on January 28, 2007, 10:33:05 PM +0000
Replay (http://ukgtr.simracing.org.uk/Monza%20-%20Endurance%20Academy%20070128.zip) and Provisional Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=287)
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Kerr on January 28, 2007, 10:35:44 PM +0000
Well done winners.
A very uneventful race for me. I was worried about engine blowing so thought lengthening the gear ratio's would help reliability, big mistake. Every corner I seemed to be revving far too low and end up with poor acceleration.
Never had time to develop a good race set up and it showed. Ran the first half with medium on the front and hard on the rear. Car understeered very badly then snap to oversteer, especially turning left? A few mistakes and almost a big one, spun in front of Nug on lap 10 and nearly had a high speed collision, how did you miss me?
Changed at pit stop to soft up front and medium on the back and it was slightly better. I tested the car for a few laps earlier and tyre temps seemed fine, but for some reason they were only ranging from 70-80 after the race. I guess that will be why the car handled so badly.
Must say I did not think Monza was a patch on Silverstone or Donington. I thought that I was racing myself for long periods of time. Never seen anyone.
At least another race under my belt and I know what I have to alter to improve here. Can't see me getting near you out there Freq, you were in a class of your own out there.
A very uneventful race for me. I was worried about engine blowing so thought lengthening the gear ratio's would help reliability, big mistake. Every corner I seemed to be revving far too low and end up with poor acceleration.
Never had time to develop a good race set up and it showed. Ran the first half with medium on the front and hard on the rear. Car understeered very badly then snap to oversteer, especially turning left? A few mistakes and almost a big one, spun in front of Nug on lap 10 and nearly had a high speed collision, how did you miss me?
Changed at pit stop to soft up front and medium on the back and it was slightly better. I tested the car for a few laps earlier and tyre temps seemed fine, but for some reason they were only ranging from 70-80 after the race. I guess that will be why the car handled so badly.
Must say I did not think Monza was a patch on Silverstone or Donington. I thought that I was racing myself for long periods of time. Never seen anyone.
At least another race under my belt and I know what I have to alter to improve here. Can't see me getting near you out there Freq, you were in a class of your own out there.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Jeffrey on January 28, 2007, 10:38:42 PM +0000
Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Monza Enduro ACA 28-01-2007/index.html)
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: picnic on January 28, 2007, 10:46:10 PM +0000
Mixed race here, no where near my qually time I did Tuesday for the spint race so started 3rd from last. Fortuneately for me I found I could outbrake Martin's Beamer so got one place and proceeded to close down on Don and Adam in their Legends. They were having their own squable and Adam went wide and my TVR setup seemed to have better top speed than Don's. With the aid of the draft it was an easy pass :) Then is was pretty stagnent. I got a couple of second gap over Don but couldn't grow it any more and the car in front was taking 0.5 sec off me most laps.
I ran a long stint again and swapped to soft tyres for the last fe laps. Came out from the pits about 9 secs behing Nev. Nev was NGT pole man so I never thought I'd catch him, and indeed I didn't he waited for me and let me have a 10 sec lead :) Thanks :D
I then proceeded to set my fastest race laps, and infact go quicker than my qually time :-\ but Nev took a second out of me each time. Was starting to get worried when I realised that I wasn't going to do 42 laps and that baring accidents I have enough of a gap to sneak home. Managed to get back third in the championship again after my Donnington debarcle. 2 rounds to go and all to fight for.
Congratulations to the podiums and the GT/G2 guys for being patient when passing, thanks.
I ran a long stint again and swapped to soft tyres for the last fe laps. Came out from the pits about 9 secs behing Nev. Nev was NGT pole man so I never thought I'd catch him, and indeed I didn't he waited for me and let me have a 10 sec lead :) Thanks :D
I then proceeded to set my fastest race laps, and infact go quicker than my qually time :-\ but Nev took a second out of me each time. Was starting to get worried when I realised that I wasn't going to do 42 laps and that baring accidents I have enough of a gap to sneak home. Managed to get back third in the championship again after my Donnington debarcle. 2 rounds to go and all to fight for.
Congratulations to the podiums and the GT/G2 guys for being patient when passing, thanks.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: cej on January 28, 2007, 10:49:55 PM +0000
Wow,what a race. Best finishing position for me so far :thumbup1:
Only complaint I have is the pace on the warm-up lap was ridiculous , I was struggling to keep up, and then the cars in front didn't let off the limiter until the finishing line ??? Maybe I've misunderstood the rules :)
Anyways: got away pretty well, but then almost lost everything into the first chicane as one of the cars in front blew up and covered me in smoke so it was almost impossible to see anything :o never seen an engine blow up that early in a race before. Must've been a Ferrari :P
Running with 1-4 wing I knew I might be even more off pace than usual ,so tried to stay consistent . Couple of guys ran off the track and gained some positions. According to my GTR2 PD I was not using as much fuel as expected and my tyres were not up to temp. Decided to pit 1 lap early. Finished with 4 litres left,so almost blew that one :o
At the end of the race I could see 4th closing in really fast on me. Then FreQ was behind me and at first I thought it was him ;D Sorry,man. Had to cross the finishing line to find out it wasn't you ;)
Made a couple of silly mistakes overtaking and could see 4th in the rear view mirror with 1 lap to go. About 3 seconds between us at the end. Phew :scared: My heart was beating at 200 beats/min at the end there. Getting to old for this stuff :wheelchair:
But a great race, I was surprised that there wasn't more crashes.
Only complaint I have is the pace on the warm-up lap was ridiculous , I was struggling to keep up, and then the cars in front didn't let off the limiter until the finishing line ??? Maybe I've misunderstood the rules :)
Anyways: got away pretty well, but then almost lost everything into the first chicane as one of the cars in front blew up and covered me in smoke so it was almost impossible to see anything :o never seen an engine blow up that early in a race before. Must've been a Ferrari :P
Running with 1-4 wing I knew I might be even more off pace than usual ,so tried to stay consistent . Couple of guys ran off the track and gained some positions. According to my GTR2 PD I was not using as much fuel as expected and my tyres were not up to temp. Decided to pit 1 lap early. Finished with 4 litres left,so almost blew that one :o
At the end of the race I could see 4th closing in really fast on me. Then FreQ was behind me and at first I thought it was him ;D Sorry,man. Had to cross the finishing line to find out it wasn't you ;)
Made a couple of silly mistakes overtaking and could see 4th in the rear view mirror with 1 lap to go. About 3 seconds between us at the end. Phew :scared: My heart was beating at 200 beats/min at the end there. Getting to old for this stuff :wheelchair:
But a great race, I was surprised that there wasn't more crashes.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: cej on January 28, 2007, 10:53:12 PM +0000
Consistency is letting me down,and i dont really think i can cut in this league.
So before the next race,i am seriously going to consider retiring.
I think my 1st 2 races were just a fluke.
so concrates to the winners,well done lads.
So before the next race,i am seriously going to consider retiring.
I think my 1st 2 races were just a fluke.
so concrates to the winners,well done lads.
Don't give up. If you just keep trying eventually it'll come. :thumbup1:
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Joss on January 28, 2007, 10:57:36 PM +0000
Only complaint I have is the pace on the warm-up lap was ridiculous , I was struggling to keep up, and then the cars in front didn't let off the limiter until the finishing line ??? Maybe I've misunderstood the rules :)
This would be a big mess up on my part. I thought I needed to run a speed on the straights of about 100mph....just checked and it's 75 mph. All my fault. Really sorry if I caused problems for anyone :( With Nug all over me, I thought I was going too slow! Never had pole before and it showed - wish I'd started 2nd now! The first couple of laps I couldn't concentrate properly because I thought I'd messed it up. Going to watch the replay now and crossing my fingers nobody got punted.Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: EdamSpeed on January 28, 2007, 11:05:22 PM +0000
Odd race for me, that one. Started well, got ahead of Brian after realising he had some problems in the acceleration department, then plodded steadily on, getting past Nug when he made a mistake at the Variante Ascari. Was up to second at this point, and was breaking away from 3rd place. Then it all went a little pear shaped!
I had my customary mid-race lapse in concentration, and seemingly couldn't get the 2nd chicane right at all. Apologies for the NGTs who I was overtaking when I spun! What a pillock I was.
Lost ground to Nug and cej. Had a good little battle with cej, who let me through after a short while, but I gave the place back after another stupid spin at the 2nd chicane.
At the pitstops, I decided to pit really early, as I wanted some good tyres for a fightback, so I stopped on lap 20, figuring I'd put 100 litres in and just cruise at the end. This seemed to work pretty well, as I got back past cej at the stop, and was closing on 2nd place Nug for a short time. Sadly, Nug's race ended in a firey blowup, and so I was back to 2nd - not quick enough by any margin to catch Freq (Lambo alien ;) ), but quick enough to pull away from cej in 3rd.
Good little race, all in all. Again, sorry to the NGTs if I got in the way with my 'antics' :(
I had my customary mid-race lapse in concentration, and seemingly couldn't get the 2nd chicane right at all. Apologies for the NGTs who I was overtaking when I spun! What a pillock I was.
Lost ground to Nug and cej. Had a good little battle with cej, who let me through after a short while, but I gave the place back after another stupid spin at the 2nd chicane.
At the pitstops, I decided to pit really early, as I wanted some good tyres for a fightback, so I stopped on lap 20, figuring I'd put 100 litres in and just cruise at the end. This seemed to work pretty well, as I got back past cej at the stop, and was closing on 2nd place Nug for a short time. Sadly, Nug's race ended in a firey blowup, and so I was back to 2nd - not quick enough by any margin to catch Freq (Lambo alien ;) ), but quick enough to pull away from cej in 3rd.
Good little race, all in all. Again, sorry to the NGTs if I got in the way with my 'antics' :(
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Nevski on January 28, 2007, 11:28:28 PM +0000
Should have won that one really - the BiTurbo is in a different league at Monza to all the other NGTs. Got pole comfortably without even doing a fully committed lap. Was a bit nervous in the first few laps as I only had about 15 minutes practice with the BiTurbo prior to the race. Luke was certainly keeping me honest, and it was about lap 7 before I really settled down and started to pull away at about 0.7 seconds per lap.
Pitted on lap 20 with a lead of 10 seconds, and should have been home and dry really, because I had fully fuelled the car before the race. So, I only needed an extra 6 laps of fuel and new tires at the pit stop. What I didn't realise is that the pit crew takes your fuel request as the absolute amount of fuel you want in the tank, not the amount to add. Bit silly really, but that is how it is. So, since I already had 13 laps of fuel still in the tank, they didn't add anything and I rejoined with only enough fuel to make it to lap 33. >:(
Stayed out until a couple of laps after Luke pitted, just to see what might have been - sure enough I had a 30 second lead at that point. Had I taken fuel at the stop it might have been only 25 though ;D
Pitted in for my splash and dash with 9 laps to go. Turned out to be more of a dribble and dither though. Overshot the pit box first and had to reverse, then spent 10 seconds fumbling with the keyboard to deselect tires, which I didn't want to change. There really should be an option to choose whether you want tires or not before you pit, not only while you are stationary and the clock is ticking. So the car ended up being stationary for another 30 seconds.
Came out 4th or 5th in class and the gap was 22 seconds to the next guy with 9 laps left. I started taking risks, and set 4 consecutive fastest laps to close the gap to 9 seconds with 4 laps to go. Then I lost the back end on the kerb exiting the 2nd chicane, and the car spun into the sand and lodged itself parallel with the track. Another 20 seconds went begging there and then before I got going again, so my disaster was complete.
Still, now I know how cocked up the pit stop system is, I will be ready next time. :P
Jeez, nascar sims were doing a far better job 8 years ago....
Congrats to Freq and Luke, both great drives.
Pitted on lap 20 with a lead of 10 seconds, and should have been home and dry really, because I had fully fuelled the car before the race. So, I only needed an extra 6 laps of fuel and new tires at the pit stop. What I didn't realise is that the pit crew takes your fuel request as the absolute amount of fuel you want in the tank, not the amount to add. Bit silly really, but that is how it is. So, since I already had 13 laps of fuel still in the tank, they didn't add anything and I rejoined with only enough fuel to make it to lap 33. >:(
Stayed out until a couple of laps after Luke pitted, just to see what might have been - sure enough I had a 30 second lead at that point. Had I taken fuel at the stop it might have been only 25 though ;D
Pitted in for my splash and dash with 9 laps to go. Turned out to be more of a dribble and dither though. Overshot the pit box first and had to reverse, then spent 10 seconds fumbling with the keyboard to deselect tires, which I didn't want to change. There really should be an option to choose whether you want tires or not before you pit, not only while you are stationary and the clock is ticking. So the car ended up being stationary for another 30 seconds.
Came out 4th or 5th in class and the gap was 22 seconds to the next guy with 9 laps left. I started taking risks, and set 4 consecutive fastest laps to close the gap to 9 seconds with 4 laps to go. Then I lost the back end on the kerb exiting the 2nd chicane, and the car spun into the sand and lodged itself parallel with the track. Another 20 seconds went begging there and then before I got going again, so my disaster was complete.
Still, now I know how cocked up the pit stop system is, I will be ready next time. :P
Jeez, nascar sims were doing a far better job 8 years ago....
Congrats to Freq and Luke, both great drives.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 28, 2007, 11:36:30 PM +0000
Got the drop on Dave on the rolling start.i couldn't believe my luck when i flew past him.
I couldn't believe it either! I was convinced you must've jumped the start but when I saw the replay I realised you must just've had a much shorted first gear than me. After that you were disappearing up the road until...
And turned into the last left hander a bit to early.And put my tyre on the grass.
Spinning me down the track and into the wall.
Spinning me down the track and into the wall.
Luckily I was just far enough behind to pick the correct side to go past, and you did the right thing and stood on the anchors until the world stopped moving.
After Adam and Nev also chucked themselves off the road I just had to try and make an impression on Luke ahead and stop Darren behind getting within striking distance.
After about 20 laps my tyres were starting to go so I did enough to stay out until Darren pitted and then pitted myself. Flapped about getting the ignition off and wasted a second or two. The fuel seemed to take forever to go in and with hindsight I put far too much in, probably 15l too much. Better too much than too little though! Finally the fuel was in, the tyres were changed and I growled back out with the intention of doing a few fast laps to try and get track position on Luke when he finally stopped.
I couldn't do enough though and had to watch as he exited still ahead of me. It was good to be able to match his pace but the championship gap continues to shrink and I need two good finishes in the final two rounds or it could yet go all Pete Tong.
Had two sticky moments getting lapped by FreQ, the first when I hesitantly tried to let him by into Lesmo 2 and then got my braking wrong and we ended up with an akward "after you, no, after you" moment, but it worked out okay. Then again on the final lap, just when I was finally starting to catch Luke he came to lap me again and that took away any final slim chance to catch him - though he'd got past Munkez so probably not. :laugh:
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Joss on January 29, 2007, 12:00:49 AM +0000
Just checked the replay and couldn't see any warm up lap contact. I'm glad for that at least. Watching the NGT's struggling to keep up showed what a bad formation lap it was. Really sorry peeps :-[
I feel a right tit now, especially after telling Locotus to sort his pit limiter thing out at Zhuhai! Man do I have egg on my face now.
Onto more pleasant things. Start was good and managed to leap into a 3 second lead after Nug's mistake at the second chicane. Tried to get into a rythym from there but was:
a: Not getting into a rythym
b: Making silly errors
Was only by about lap 5 when I started getting it together. I run a strange setup with mediums all round at Monza, I like the neutral feeling and stability it gives when pushing but it's awful if you back off too much, as the fronts go cold and you lose all front grip. When I'm pushing they are 70-80, not pushing they drop to 60-70. Not good. Once I got in the groove it seemed OK. Short shifted for a while to be gentle to the engine and pushed in bursts once the fuel load lightened. Quite uneventful from there.
Well done to all finishers and again on polite NGT's. I made a mess of lapping Dave round the Lesmo's - I decided to wait and pass on the straight as I had a lead of over a minute at the time, and he decided to let me past on the entrance....doh!
I find short/shifting works best for reliability Kerr, that and lowering the rev limit and opening more radiator holes. And you were in a class of your own at Donington - swings and roundabouts mate :)
Edam showed just how fast swiss cheese can be! ;D
And Nug was super fast but also quite erratic. I think the term "it's faster to be slower" applies here. If you concentrate on being smooth and less jumpy on the throttle, you'll go faster over a longer distance imho.
Sorry if I'm sounding like a big headed idiot here, just trying to help fellow racers out. :)
Also, well done to Luke and Ruskus on the class wins. And damn Ruskus for beating my best time @ Monza in the GT2 - not happy! >:( ;D
See you in the Sprint ;)
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I feel a right tit now, especially after telling Locotus to sort his pit limiter thing out at Zhuhai! Man do I have egg on my face now.
Onto more pleasant things. Start was good and managed to leap into a 3 second lead after Nug's mistake at the second chicane. Tried to get into a rythym from there but was:
a: Not getting into a rythym
b: Making silly errors
Was only by about lap 5 when I started getting it together. I run a strange setup with mediums all round at Monza, I like the neutral feeling and stability it gives when pushing but it's awful if you back off too much, as the fronts go cold and you lose all front grip. When I'm pushing they are 70-80, not pushing they drop to 60-70. Not good. Once I got in the groove it seemed OK. Short shifted for a while to be gentle to the engine and pushed in bursts once the fuel load lightened. Quite uneventful from there.
Well done to all finishers and again on polite NGT's. I made a mess of lapping Dave round the Lesmo's - I decided to wait and pass on the straight as I had a lead of over a minute at the time, and he decided to let me past on the entrance....doh!
I find short/shifting works best for reliability Kerr, that and lowering the rev limit and opening more radiator holes. And you were in a class of your own at Donington - swings and roundabouts mate :)
Edam showed just how fast swiss cheese can be! ;D
And Nug was super fast but also quite erratic. I think the term "it's faster to be slower" applies here. If you concentrate on being smooth and less jumpy on the throttle, you'll go faster over a longer distance imho.
Sorry if I'm sounding like a big headed idiot here, just trying to help fellow racers out. :)
Also, well done to Luke and Ruskus on the class wins. And damn Ruskus for beating my best time @ Monza in the GT2 - not happy! >:( ;D
See you in the Sprint ;)
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Then again on the final lap, just when I was finally starting to catch Luke he came to lap me again and that took away any final slim chance to catch him - though he'd got past Munkez so probably not.
Good god, I was a tit in the race. Sorry again and again. I would have happily waited until the straight but thought I was being let through. ArghTitle: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Adam Parle on January 29, 2007, 12:19:35 AM +0000
Very poor start for me, and then the f*****g fps problems returned.
Will be shopping for a new system this week, sod the expense.
Will be shopping for a new system this week, sod the expense.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Blunder on January 29, 2007, 07:17:49 AM +0000
What a great race!?
Was a little off my PB in Qualie but didn't really matter as it would have made little difference to my position on the grid!?
I'm left wondering if I chose the right strategy1?
Decided to run a very long first stint using lots of fuel and hard tyres on the basis that my pit stop would be quick!?
Unfortunately! there always seems to be an unfortunately!! ?? ;D
I put too much fuel in and also didn't take into account that the GT's would be faster and the total number of laps I would run would be less!?
So lap times were a challenge the first half ! I wasn't gonna be the last of the late brakers and didn't fight too hard with Picnic!?
Then had lots of good battles particularly with Munkez! I was looking at the unofficial laptimes etc. and I'm sure we overtook each other 6+ times!?
Was very dissapointed when you span at the 2nd chicane!? That would have been the perfect finish battling with you to the line!?
Was flying after the pit stop with new tyres and little fuel but was all a little too late!?
Congrats to all!? Very clean racing, GT's went past with not the slightest problem.
I didn't want this to end! How about a 2 hour one!!?? ;D
M.
Was a little off my PB in Qualie but didn't really matter as it would have made little difference to my position on the grid!?
I'm left wondering if I chose the right strategy1?
Decided to run a very long first stint using lots of fuel and hard tyres on the basis that my pit stop would be quick!?
Unfortunately! there always seems to be an unfortunately!! ?? ;D
I put too much fuel in and also didn't take into account that the GT's would be faster and the total number of laps I would run would be less!?
So lap times were a challenge the first half ! I wasn't gonna be the last of the late brakers and didn't fight too hard with Picnic!?
Then had lots of good battles particularly with Munkez! I was looking at the unofficial laptimes etc. and I'm sure we overtook each other 6+ times!?
Was very dissapointed when you span at the 2nd chicane!? That would have been the perfect finish battling with you to the line!?
Was flying after the pit stop with new tyres and little fuel but was all a little too late!?
Congrats to all!? Very clean racing, GT's went past with not the slightest problem.
I didn't want this to end! How about a 2 hour one!!?? ;D
M.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Truetom on January 29, 2007, 07:30:33 AM +0000
Joined in G2, finished 6th, right behind (1 minute ;D ) Rusky. After Mo and Pops left I was all alone there in class. Was bored so I decided to hotlap a while, got a pb in race trim 1.47.0xx, only half a sec higher then quali time.
After pitting I started to overrev the engine (rev limiter set on max), wanted to see how long it'll last. Went to rev limiter as many times as I could and it blew up right after finish. Was smoking black for half the last lap. I guess you can easily shift at two reds through the whole race and not blow it up. Very durable engine.
To my surprise I found GT2 Piggy easy to drive, even lowered wing to 3 for the race. But had the front wing at 2. Tried 1/3 but it wouldn't turn in so I stayed at 2/3. Nice car.
I didn't see any extreme situations where G2s were inhibiting Academy race, GTs or NGTs. Might be 'cause we (I) were extra cautious. As it should be, being guests and all. ;)
TT
After pitting I started to overrev the engine (rev limiter set on max), wanted to see how long it'll last. Went to rev limiter as many times as I could and it blew up right after finish. Was smoking black for half the last lap. I guess you can easily shift at two reds through the whole race and not blow it up. Very durable engine.
To my surprise I found GT2 Piggy easy to drive, even lowered wing to 3 for the race. But had the front wing at 2. Tried 1/3 but it wouldn't turn in so I stayed at 2/3. Nice car.
I didn't see any extreme situations where G2s were inhibiting Academy race, GTs or NGTs. Might be 'cause we (I) were extra cautious. As it should be, being guests and all. ;)
TT
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 29, 2007, 07:42:29 AM +0000
I didn't see any extreme situations where G2s were inhibiting Academy race, GTs or NGTs.
You were all pretty much on the pace with the GTs so letting you by was no harder than the GT cars.
The speed difference was scarey though - at one point I checked my mirror a few seconds before braking for the first chicane - nothing. Then on the exit I suddenly realised there was a GT car right there - not closing but right up my tail pipes! That was a wake up call I can tell you! :o :D
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Don on January 29, 2007, 09:01:15 AM +0000
Fairly consistant race for me. Lost my usual few spots early on, then managed to settle down a bit. Was just about able to keep up with Picnic but put a wheel on the grass at the Parabolica and never saw him again.
Pit stop went well and clawed back a couple of spots with a quick stop for tyres only.
Second half of the race I was a little nervous about having enough fuel to make it to the end, started doing a lot of short shifting just to make sure I could get there and finished with 3 litres left onboard :)
Great drive by all the Ngt's ahead of me had no chance of catching any of you!
Thanks also to the GT and G2 boys for being so patient and grats to ALL on the podium.
btw. Picnic and Dave I'd love to have a butchers at your TVR set for this track, pure genius.
Pit stop went well and clawed back a couple of spots with a quick stop for tyres only.
Second half of the race I was a little nervous about having enough fuel to make it to the end, started doing a lot of short shifting just to make sure I could get there and finished with 3 litres left onboard :)
Great drive by all the Ngt's ahead of me had no chance of catching any of you!
Thanks also to the GT and G2 boys for being so patient and grats to ALL on the podium.
btw. Picnic and Dave I'd love to have a butchers at your TVR set for this track, pure genius.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Truetom on January 29, 2007, 09:06:59 AM +0000
I didn't see any extreme situations where G2s were inhibiting Academy race, GTs or NGTs.
You were all pretty much on the pace with the GTs so letting you by was no harder than the GT cars.I guess G2 is right in the middle between GT and NGT - at least when I'm in it. ;D
I wanted to pass NGTs so that I wouldn't have any influence on their speed. Even with 3 long straights I wasn't always able to do it and I backed off a few times - mostly 'cause of longer braking distance. I found I had the most success when accelerating from low speed - right after the first chicane. On the other hand I saw similar situations with GTs behind me, I had to ease off to avoid potentialy dangerous corner entry situations.
Its nice to drive just for the sake of it for a change, no pressure for points, etc. Too bad Pops and Mo quit, was looking forward to some close racing. :) Maybe another time. 8)
TT
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Nug on January 29, 2007, 09:18:51 AM +0000
It was a bad race for me, I didnt get much practice at Monza and although I had good pace, my consistancy was all over the place! (just like my Lambo). After serveral spins and down to 5th I had my work cut out. The car was still ok even after I nudged the tyre wall so I began to push to make up time. After around 10 laps I had somehow got back into second place (I DO NOT KNOW how I managed to miss Kerr when he span accross the middle of the track!) and I could keep the car on the track.
FreQ was 30 seconds infront at this point and I was managing to keep it like that. I started the race with a full tank and pitted at the very last moment. Pit stop went ok, topped up the gas and put fresh ones on. All seemed well... Until... the second chicaine of the outlap... BOOM! (I guess running with RPMs at 7800 is not a good idea!).
In short, I was happy with the pace, but disappointed with my consistancy.
Well done to all winners, and thanks to all NGTs for making life easy.
FreQ was 30 seconds infront at this point and I was managing to keep it like that. I started the race with a full tank and pitted at the very last moment. Pit stop went ok, topped up the gas and put fresh ones on. All seemed well... Until... the second chicaine of the outlap... BOOM! (I guess running with RPMs at 7800 is not a good idea!).
In short, I was happy with the pace, but disappointed with my consistancy.
Well done to all winners, and thanks to all NGTs for making life easy.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: popabawa on January 29, 2007, 09:27:31 AM +0000
Well, me and the GT2 are not a match made in heaven. I struggled with it quite a bit. The other GT2 drivers seemed to be doing a lot better, I was waaay off their pace :(
I span going into into the first chicane after about 10 laps leaving me in a really nasty spot, I could see the lead NGT's starting to bear down on me so I quit rather than than risk getting in anyone's way.
I span going into into the first chicane after about 10 laps leaving me in a really nasty spot, I could see the lead NGT's starting to bear down on me so I quit rather than than risk getting in anyone's way.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Jeffrey on January 29, 2007, 12:07:18 PM +0000
Pretty lonely race for me, but still somehow enjoyable. just like TT, I had wings 1-3 at first, but as the 993 is already an understeeringpig, I thought why make it any worst :). So also changed to 2-3.
The first few laps I had Will close to me, but I didn't want to fight him too much, so after I messed up Lesmo 2, I lifted off when he was alongside me at the straight after Lesmo 2.
After that I was alone, only gaining places by people dropping out (Blown engine in T1 :o).
I was also very carefull with lapping people, as I didn't want to have any influence on the outcome of the race or season. Sometimes I followed NGT's around for half a lap, before I tried to overtake. I often had to back off attempts, as the GT2 isn't that much faster than NGT's on astraight line (maybe 10 mph top speed diff). And knowing that the GT2 doesn't brake unless you throw out an anker, I had to try to overtake by drafting and being passed halfway down the straights, as I needed soem room for my earlier braking.
The sever wasn't very busy when I joined (18), so letting masters join in G2 or G3 class could be fun.
The first few laps I had Will close to me, but I didn't want to fight him too much, so after I messed up Lesmo 2, I lifted off when he was alongside me at the straight after Lesmo 2.
After that I was alone, only gaining places by people dropping out (Blown engine in T1 :o).
I was also very carefull with lapping people, as I didn't want to have any influence on the outcome of the race or season. Sometimes I followed NGT's around for half a lap, before I tried to overtake. I often had to back off attempts, as the GT2 isn't that much faster than NGT's on astraight line (maybe 10 mph top speed diff). And knowing that the GT2 doesn't brake unless you throw out an anker, I had to try to overtake by drafting and being passed halfway down the straights, as I needed soem room for my earlier braking.
The sever wasn't very busy when I joined (18), so letting masters join in G2 or G3 class could be fun.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 29, 2007, 01:00:40 PM +0000
I had to try to overtake by drafting and being passed halfway down the straights, as I needed soem room for my earlier braking.
"past" - isn't English a funny language. :laugh: "passed" would mean the opposite!
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Jeffrey on January 29, 2007, 01:07:06 PM +0000
::) Okay, I'll speak Dutch next time ;D
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Kerr on January 29, 2007, 01:37:50 PM +0000
Watch replay as 1320 Nug and see how close we were! Replay looked like I thought. I was through bend and suddenly the car snapped throwing me off. Must have been millimeters from a big accident.
Thankfully, luckily no contact and no damage done.
Watching replay at times you could see how much my car was struggling for acceleration. A few 911'a and BMW's moved over between Lesmo 1 and 2 and I never had enough acceleration to pass them. Didn't think my gear ratio changes would make such a difference. Why my tyre temperatures were so low is beyond me.
Thankfully, luckily no contact and no damage done.
Watching replay at times you could see how much my car was struggling for acceleration. A few 911'a and BMW's moved over between Lesmo 1 and 2 and I never had enough acceleration to pass them. Didn't think my gear ratio changes would make such a difference. Why my tyre temperatures were so low is beyond me.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Jeffrey on January 29, 2007, 01:53:57 PM +0000
Why my tyre temperatures were so low is beyond me.
Hards are useless, unless you want to make a reeeeeeaaally long stint. But as the Lambo can only drive for around 45 minutes on a full fuel tank, hards are not the best option.
Also the long straight at Monza "cool" the tyres down a bit. Much less heavy than a twisty track like Valencia. I haven't had a single "tyre worn" message at Monza yet, which I usually get 5-10 minutes before the end of every stint ;D.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: will16v on January 29, 2007, 04:35:21 PM +0000
The first few laps I had Will close to me, but I didn't want to fight him too much, so after I messed up Lesmo 2, I lifted off when he was alongside me at the straight after Lesmo 2.
Yes, thanks for that, just a shame i couldn't keep up!!
I made a few mistakes myself with the braking points into Lesmo 1, and eventually the engine went - running at 7800 rpm...back to the drawing board with the set-ups then!
Amazing pace in the porker btw :o
Good stuff!
Also, i liked the added component of some of the Masters drivers competing, i would welcome this on a regular basis, if the server cannot be filled by registered Academy drivers.
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Reign Man on January 29, 2007, 07:18:49 PM +0000
I'm very dissapointed. I put a lot of practice into this track, I was getting consistant high 1:52's in praccy, so I thought I would have my best Enduro so far consistancy wise.
Had a good start was able to settle down quickly and on the second lap got a better run out of the parabolica than Don and as I pulled out from behind him I saw Adam's Beamer planted in the tyres at the pit entrance.
I was a bit supprised to see his car dissapear and then reappear to my and Don's left (don't know if Don saw the same thing) but luckily there was no accident and I was able to take Don into Rettifilo.
And that was it! got around to Ascari on the next lap and got a wheel on the curb...Game Over! Hit the wall, limped to the pit, waited almost 2 mins while the repairs took place and went to pull out, and as I adjusted my position in my chair I pulled out my Joystick cable with my foot...... DOH!
I used a few choice words and plugged it back in....it didnt work......GREAT! Nothing I could do but to press escape.
Was really looking forward to this race...ahh well nevermind
Roll on Germany!
ReignMan
Had a good start was able to settle down quickly and on the second lap got a better run out of the parabolica than Don and as I pulled out from behind him I saw Adam's Beamer planted in the tyres at the pit entrance.
I was a bit supprised to see his car dissapear and then reappear to my and Don's left (don't know if Don saw the same thing) but luckily there was no accident and I was able to take Don into Rettifilo.
And that was it! got around to Ascari on the next lap and got a wheel on the curb...Game Over! Hit the wall, limped to the pit, waited almost 2 mins while the repairs took place and went to pull out, and as I adjusted my position in my chair I pulled out my Joystick cable with my foot...... DOH!
I used a few choice words and plugged it back in....it didnt work......GREAT! Nothing I could do but to press escape.
Was really looking forward to this race...ahh well nevermind
Roll on Germany!
ReignMan
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: Don on January 29, 2007, 07:27:04 PM +0000
Bad luck Reign Man, you looked like you were going to go well. You'll live to fight another day ;) Yes- Adam's car was warping all over the place, thats why I was being watchful (slowish) comming out of the Parabolica!
Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 28
Post by: LuKe#69 on January 29, 2007, 08:29:11 PM +0000
Lucky race for me,after seeing Nevs quallifying time I knew it wasnt going to be easy.
On first lap at first chicane I had to slam the brakes on when all the cars in front came to a halt but when into the back of him and really damaged front of the car and got hit from behind which also damaged the rear.
I was watching Nev pull away and Beholder right up behind till he lost it(unlucky m8),and Giz´ didnt seem to be quick enough to catch me and I was starting to calm down.
Pitted quite late whilst I was first and didnt repair damage,which was lcky cause I came out only 3 secs in front of Giz.Nev was still in front but he pitted again which lead me to finish first.
Championship looks interesting but probably going to be out of my reach.....will see....10 points behind with 2 round left :-\ ,gonna be fun :o
On first lap at first chicane I had to slam the brakes on when all the cars in front came to a halt but when into the back of him and really damaged front of the car and got hit from behind which also damaged the rear.
I was watching Nev pull away and Beholder right up behind till he lost it(unlucky m8),and Giz´ didnt seem to be quick enough to catch me and I was starting to calm down.
Pitted quite late whilst I was first and didnt repair damage,which was lcky cause I came out only 3 secs in front of Giz.Nev was still in front but he pitted again which lead me to finish first.
Championship looks interesting but probably going to be out of my reach.....will see....10 points behind with 2 round left :-\ ,gonna be fun :o