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1970’s Endurance classic shortened to over 2 hours race.



Server & Car Pack Info
- Server Name: NG Legacy HTC Server
- Password: will be revealed in normal UKGTL fashion.
- Car pack version: 1.2, Patch to ver 1.2: *CLICK* (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bhW_HalEjq_KvaWWKiQCLvKYCOa0x4Er/view?usp=sharing)


Race
Track: 70 Daytona (Road Course)
Track download: *DOWNLOAD* (https://drive.google.com/file/d/12uSEdWqDfSENcvtXeTFIOkPLung2zvuc/view?usp=sharing)
race time of day (virtual start time): 17:00
Allowed Classes: Division 3 classes

• 1600 - 2000 cc
• over 2000 cc

Qualifying:
- 25 minutes, starts at 19:35 BST.



Race:
- Length: 250 miles. (66 laps)
- Race starts at 20:00 BST.
 

Special scoring:
As this is endurance event, points per position have been made roughly 2 times bigger to give bigger importance to this race.

• Points per Class placement
  
  • 20 points for 1st pos in CLASS (was wrong previously: "in division")
  • 18 points for 2nd pos in CLASS (was wrong previously: "in division")
  • 16 points for 3rd pos in CLASS (was wrong previously: "in division")
  • 13 points for 4th pos in CLASS (was wrong previously: "in division")
  • 9 points for 5th pos in CLASS (was wrong previously: "in division")
  • 7 points for 6th pos in CLASS (was wrong previously: "in division")
  • 4 points for 7th pos in CLASS (was wrong previously: "in division")
  • 2 points for 8th pos in CLASS (was wrong previously: "in division")
  • 1 points for 9th pos in CLASS (was wrong previously: "in division")
• Overall winner of the race scores additional 2 points.
• And same as usual: if you start race in CLASS that you have not driven yet, you score automatically 3 additional points.
• Note that you can start maximum of 5 times in each engine class.

Notes:
- Practicing race start in quick race is recommended as the start is from banked part of the track.
- Pitlane limiter speed is 100mph, so be prepared if your pit spot is early in the straight.



Other
- Championship main thread, with calendar, cars, classes and other info: click here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=24772.msg476432#msg476432)
- Championship standings table: click here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1231&theme=5)
- Each driver’s race count per engine class:click here (http://gtlserver.lintu.dyndns.org/)

EDIT: I switched qualifying to 25 minutes and shifted qualifying and race start (back) to 20:00 BST making it easier UK guys to join the race.

NoGrip Legacy HTC Server is now running 70 Daytona with practice password. :)

Just my opinion but...........do we really need 30mins for qualy?

I don't know how long a lap takes but I'm guessing it's about 2mins?

A ten minute qualy session would be more exciting IMO.

I have to agree with Tony. I hate big qualifying sessions. I am a fan of 1 hot lap session as well.

I think that longer race needs a longer qualifying session. I have already dropped the qualifying (per drivers request and based on discussion) in normal races from 30 to 20 minutes, twin races from 20 to 15 minutes and endurance races from 45 to 30 minutes.

And yes, I keep the qualifying lengths standardized based on the race type so if we drop qualifying here to 10 minutes for example, it will be the same for 2 hours of Isle of Man as it is an endurance race.

But anyways, here we go. I opened discussion about this and will do the changes based on that:
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=24772.msg522191#new

Sorry, I can't join next Monday. :(

The pit lane speed limit is set to high IMO.

It seems to be set at 150KPH and probably should be more like 50KPH.

1970's they did not have limits at all. Most likely this track has been built for period pit lane speeds.
So, you can imagine Porsche 917K going more than 100 miles per hour thru the pit lane.

Yes that's probably the case. Just be careful with your speed tho as your pit stall may be at the beginning of the pit lane.

I Added extra note to race invitation about pit lane speed.

I switched qualifying to 25 minutes and shifted qualifying and race start (back) to 20:00 BST making it easier UK guys to join the race.

NoGrip Legacy HTC Server is now running 70 Daytona road course with race password.

Results and replays now posted.

Please let me know if you spot an error.

Disregard any incident reports you may find in your pm inbox (unless it actually details an incident that is).

My brain while checking the race invitation before posting it: tumbleweed tumbleweed tumbleweed
I fixed the race invitation record breaking 12 times before the race and still got the points system wrong.  :'(

I am terribly sorry Tony, due my mistake, points needs correction. The invitation has now correct scoring for this event.
Hopefully it is not too late?

If it's not possible to get the basic points fixed anymore, you could possible do the fixing with additional / penalty points as follows:
- Suti needs additional 11 points (has now 4+5 = 9 points, should have 20 points for winning smaller class)
- phspok needs additional 10 points  (has now 4+4 = 8 points, should have 18 points for 2nd in smaller class)
- Clive needs additional 14 points (has now 1+1 = 2 points, should have 16 points for 3rd in smaller class)
- Chris needs additional 5 points (has now 2+2 = 4 points, should have 9 points for 5th in bigger class)

I am really sorry about this. Totally my fault by using Gesamtstrecke invitation as template, while it was supposed to be only race with two divisions and so only race with division based points.  :helpsmilie:

Your work has been absolutely top notch and I really appreciate the time you put in to this after each race.

I think the point's are now corrected but please check.

Couldn't find the pits...ran out of gas! >:(

 :thumbup1:
Now they are exactly as should be. Thank you and once more, sorry about the error.

Firstly I have to apologise, mainly to Matt for my complete incompetence at the start. I had tried a few practice starts as it is always tricky with the banked track & I thought I had it sussed, errr no, I still got the car sideways as I changed up to 2nd gear.  ::)

So having waited for Matt I was dead last & made things worse for myself by running onto the grass at T2. Things did not get much better, as having passed Matt a few laps in, I went off again, repassed him & then had another off trying to pass Suti. This was obviously not going to be a good race  :no:

After around 15 laps I had somehow reached 2nd place but way behind Daz. I then got into a good rhythm & turned in several laps in the low 2.06s & started to close the gap. By the time of the first pitstop I was only 8s behind & Daz & I both pitted at the same time. My stop was not very good, I had to reverse a couple of times to get the pit board to appear, it seemed very critical where exactly you stopped to trigger the board. So I was very surprised to be accelerating out of the pits with Daz still sat there, I guess he changed tyres, something the Capri didn't require.

After everyone had completed their stops I was over 20s ahead with Tony in 2nd place & Daz 3rd. The gap increased over the next few laps & by the time I made my early second pitstop I had 35s in hand over Daz. I rejoined just 8s behind & judging by his earlier pace I expected to reel Daz in, but he was now much faster & was pulling away at over 1s a lap. Eventually though he had to make his second pitstop & this handed me a 40s lead. Again Daz was faster but without a mistake from me, he was never going to make up the time in the remaining laps.

Quite how I succeeded in winning after the atrocious first few laps I really don't know.

Congrats to Daz & Tony on the podium & well done to Lasse & Suti for making it to the end.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

I made a total horlicks of this one....

Was going to take the Escort BDB, but for some reason it just wouldn't play nicely into turn 1, no matter how I had it setup it just wanted to go around there. Probably my braking point, but I got annoyed and went with the nice and stable BMW to get around it, and have some pace on the straights.....

Quali was OK, logged on to see Geoff going faster in the Capri than I had managed in practise, so played with the setup a little during the session, finding that one click down on the gearbox gave a better lap in quali. Ended up with a PB, couldn't complain really.....

I made a great jump off the line, and seeing Geoffers having an issue went for a steady first lap to bed it all in, then going full pace for 2 laps. It was around this point I realised I had made a terrible mistake by not swapping back to the longer gears. The engine health was being destroyed by being on the redline on the banking, to the tune of around 3 to 4% per lap, and given that it was already down to 87% that would mean a blow up before the end for sure at full pace. I had no choice but to back off if I wanted to save the motor and finish the race. The gap to Geoffers was around 26 seconds when this came to light, but I knew that wouldn't last....

Had to go without full throttle on the banking to try to not any engine health. Trying to keep the revs at around 6200 or so did the job, but I was now 2-3 seconds off the pace. There was nothing to be done about it, I had to watch the gap come down very steadily by at least a second a lap. Then the pitstop, I decided to take tyres now, and then that would get me to the end, I could have done the whole race on one set but it would have been sketchy at the end I felt. I had seen that Geoff had gone back and forth to get his stop going, so when he left before me I knew he had not taken tyres, putting me further on the back foot....

So this gave Geoff the lead as he said, and I was back out and just plugging away trying not to lose any health, any 1% saved meant more full throttle later.....And finally when he came out behind me from his pitstop I felt I had enough in hand to go full pace, but it was all too late as he said. Gave it a go, just to see if the pressure would make him lose some time, but he was uber-consistent when following, and no different when in the lead.

Ended the race with 8% engine health, was just happy to finish. Really don't like having to save fuel/tyres/engine, I know it is realistic and is a skill, but I like going flat out as much as I can. I can 100% say this was totally my fault though, made a massive blunder!

Grats to Geoffers, after the shenanigans on lap 1 it looked a pretty faultless drive.

Result (https://gtl-gtr2-racing.lima-city.de/_2021/13092021_70Daytona)

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Thanks Kurt and Tony for the points and results. :)

I was having a great time, not sure why though, not really a success story.
I decided to go with a bit orthodox gearbox for this. Changed final gear so that top speed was ~240kph, but shortened 4th gear one notch. Of course 5th gear became sort of overdrive by this choice and made Capri nicely reach the limiter in fourth on the infield section, but still reach the 5th gear limiter just before first corner braking point. For drafting gear box was awesome and so I always went close to BMW's, like Daz, overtaking me to get the 5th gear top speed immediately and stay there until I needed to stamp on brakes in first corner.

as a result I was over a second faster than Tony in infield section but lost only 0.6 seconds on banking and when I got drafted, the loss was there minimum.
So everything well planned and laid out for battling 3rd place in class? yep. Unfortunately the true race logic was something like this:
1. spin on corner with position and time loss.
2. hunt down next guy, usually Tony in BMW
3. Overtake the next guy
4. if spin count in race is less than 10, continue from step 1, otherwise continue from next step
5. make great tactical move and pit at the same time with Tony.
6. miss your pit box with just few inches
7. hunt down several backward-forward moves for the exact location of your pit box losing all the advantage you had by having smaller fuel tank and consumption than in BMW
8. leave pits with exactly same time and same time difference to Tony.
9. spin on corner.
10. hunt down the next guy
11. battle several corners with next guy without any touching nor problems and eventually gain a position.
12. if spin count in race is less than 20, continue from step 9, otherwise spin once more and continue to finish in 4th.

...For some reason I was still enjoying it. Not sure why though. :)
Normally I would been frustrated like no tomorrow.