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Title: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: EvilClive on September 09, 2021, 07:39:30 PM +0100
Season 39 1967F2 – Round 1 –  Cadwell Park

For season 39 we are running a UK F2 Championship visiting some classic UK tracks.

Cadwell Park is a much loved racing circuit in Lincolnshire in Eastern England.
In 1926 Mr. Mansfield Wilkinson bought a part of the old Cadwell Hall country estate adjacent to his farm. His sons, Charles and Christopher, started to race each other around the gravel drives on their motorbikes. The track was improved, widened and lengthened over the years to become what it is today. The names of the Wilkinsons live on in the names of some corners. The track is used more for motorbike racing rather than modern high powered car racing, because of its narrowness and lack of run off areas in places.

Race list = iGOR
Server = UKGPL10_60fps
IP address = 217.155.118.41
Password = see above (#post_event_password)
GPL Mod = 67F2
60fps Patch = 60fpsV2newmod
Track download = cadwell (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=725)
Qualifying starts = 20:45 UK time - 45 minutes
Race starts = ~ 21:30 UK time
Race length = 32 laps
Replay=  Sendspace (https://www.sendspace.com/file/b8sli2)   Mediafire (https://www.mediafire.com/file/uidkxwqgz0kr5td)


Handicapping:
Drivers will be allocated 10 tokens at the start of the season with a further 10 tokens for each race they start (including their first race). A driver who fails to start any of the first 4 races will only be eligible for an initial allocation of 5 tokens (rather than 10) but will still receive a further 10 tokens for each race they start (including their first race).  

Drivers must pay the number of tokens for the chassis they use in accordance with the following table:

Chassis             Cost in Tokens
Matra MS7                   16
Lotus 48                     14
Brabham BT23             14
Matra MS5                   14
Lola T100 (FVA)           14
Lotus 41B                   12
McLaren M4A             12
Protos 16                   10
Lola F100 (BMW)        10
Cooper T84                 6
Ferrari 166                 3
Brabham BT14             0



Only reported incidents will be moderated.  Unlimited S/R allowed with no requirement for SnG.

Please, excepting emergencies, no chat until Session Completed in qualification. No chat in the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Please use the Track Gap Freeze Fix Patch V.09 for all on-line races


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: Pete Bennett on September 10, 2021, 06:59:29 PM +0100
F2s at Cadwell. It doesn't get better than this.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: Enrique Farina on September 14, 2021, 08:21:10 PM +0100
I want to join this season of f2 its possible that?
  thanks


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: fpolicardi on September 14, 2021, 09:12:14 PM +0100
No more connection accepted?  :(


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: AnGex on September 14, 2021, 09:14:48 PM +0100
No more connection accepted?  :(

here the same ?
18 fulltimedrivers registered, so some1 took my place...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: Rainier on September 14, 2021, 10:28:59 PM +0100
No more connection accepted?  :(

here the same ?
18 fulltimedrivers registered, so some1 took my place...

At what time, did you try to connect ?
I could connect myself at 21:06 (I am not full time driver)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: dave curtis on September 14, 2021, 10:31:43 PM +0100
What a tedious track! (wth a full grid & fast drivers).
Apologies for taking you out Billy, was going ok up until that point.
Then just continued to get worse. I took nearly all the unlimited resets over the next couple of laps & was lapped by about lap5.

Troed to keep out of the way/not crash into lappers, but didn't always seem to work out as well as it should.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: Pete Bennett on September 14, 2021, 10:36:54 PM +0100
What a blast! Great start to the season, if a little frantic. I span on lap 7 giving a couple of places away but no need for a reset. Apologies to Philippe on L16 if I tripped you up. I was settling down again after passing a recovering Yannick and being cautious. I saw your car explode in my mirrors. Cool.

Evil nudged me off on Lap 26 but only as I was held up by the traffic ahead. No problem though as we both recovered and had a stellar race to the end. Thanks to Phil for some close racing in the Cooper. The F2 are fantastic in close racing like this. See you all next time.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: GrandPrixYannick on September 14, 2021, 10:45:56 PM +0100
What a hectic race.
I got well off the line but got taken out after a couple of corners and got demoted to 18th.
Worked my way up throughout the race but I had to mostly rely on other's errors and mishaps as there is just next to no overtaking on this track otherwise, especially in an underpowered Ferrari.
I tried being patient with my moves but it did not always pan out as I did had a couple of collisions here and there. I do not really recall who again by heart, but my apologies to you.

Still I managed to climb up to 4th, but got barely lapped at the end of the race.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: fpolicardi on September 14, 2021, 11:19:41 PM +0100
No more connection accepted?  :(

here the same ?
18 fulltimedrivers registered, so some1 took my place...

At what time, did you try to connect ?
I could connect myself at 21:06 (I am not full time driver)
I tried to connect after 21:00, my bad, then after a couple of try I could join. I don't know who disconnected to leave me room.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on September 14, 2021, 11:21:16 PM +0100
The biggest challenge with this track (for me anyhow) was getting lapped. Apologies to;
Evil - After letting you through the preceding lap, I planned to go very deep into Mansfield & make room for the pass on the inside. On reflection you probably weren't expecting that & it ended badly.
Fulvio - there were a train of cars passing me between the pits & the hairpin. I managed to get out of the way of most of them.
 
This is a very tricky track but quite satisfying when you get it right.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: fpolicardi on September 14, 2021, 11:26:10 PM +0100
What a hectic race.
I got well off the line but got taken out after a couple of corners and got demoted to 18th.
Worked my way up throughout the race but I had to mostly rely on other's errors and mishaps as there is just next to no overtaking on this track otherwise, especially in an underpowered Ferrari.
I tried being patient with my moves but it did not always pan out as I did had a couple of collisions here and there. I do not really recall who again by heart, but my apologies to you.

Still I managed to climb up to 4th, but got barely lapped at the end of the race.
We tangled when I was battling with Eric on the left turn before the hump, sorry, I didn't see your move in time. I had  a long battle with Eric till there, then I lost a lot of position here and there cause a bit of damage and some mistakes.  :'(


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: fpolicardi on September 14, 2021, 11:30:56 PM +0100
The biggest challenge with this track (for me anyhow) was getting lapped. Apologies to;
Evil - After letting you through the preceding lap, I planned to go very deep into Mansfield & make room for the pass on the inside. On reflection you probably weren't expecting that & it ended badly.
Fulvio - there were a train of cars passing me between the pits & the hairpin. I managed to get out of the way of most of them.
 
This is a very tricky track but quite satisfying when you get it right.

Sorry Billy, I was caught off guard by your slow speed before the hairpin. In chat after the end I said sorry to Francesco, but it was for you.  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: fpolicardi on September 14, 2021, 11:36:55 PM +0100
Watching my replay I noted that with this mod when you rear end someone the car behind got crazy and become an earth-air rocket. I saw Clive, Philippe and Phil, I think, start to the moon. I was lucky when I hit Billy cause I was slow there. ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: Enrique Farina on September 15, 2021, 01:07:59 AM +0100
freeze for me, deam.....forget tu put the "antifreeze" in gem...:-(
  congrats podium


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: Pete Bennett on September 15, 2021, 08:46:43 AM +0100
Enrique. Sorry that you had a disco. However, it's good to see, as far as I can tell, that your disco did not take anybody else with you. More evidence that the anti-freeze patch is working as intended. Bravo.

I remember how annoying it can be. Last season in the 65s at Cadwell I had a freeze whilst running in 3rd place with about three laps remaining. Grrr.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: Alain Maurice on September 15, 2021, 11:32:37 AM +0100
 :)

Congratulations to Ziu and Léo.  :notworthy:
Sorry for the disconnected from the server.
I suffered from drops in FPS on certain parts of the circuit, especially behind an opponent.
After the accident of Yannick and Magic I am 3 behind Léo while Ziu is already far away.
I will make several mistakes :no: lose contact but no threat behind and I finish the race calmly by doing a reset 10 laps from the end for fear of running out of gas.

Thank you to everyone and for the organization.  ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: EvilClive on September 15, 2021, 12:52:47 PM +0100
A great start to the F2 season with a full grid.

Apologies to those who registered as "Full Time" who were not able to join the server.  Anyone who registered as "part time" is reminded that they should follow these guidelines............

As we have a total of 25 ( 19 full time and 6 part time) registered drivers for the F2 series, we use the following procedure:

If at 21:05 UK time the server is full with >17 drivers

The Reserve ( part time) drivers should leave for 10 Minutes to give waiting Full time drivers the chance to join.

If you have registered as Reserve ( part time) and think that you might actually like to participate in 75% or more of the races, then change your registration to Full Time. If we know that we have potentially 25+ drivers who will attend a race, then we can run a second server......but we need to know in advance.


 



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: Cookie on September 15, 2021, 01:35:13 PM +0100
I was on server as R1-
but I watched the numbers like David, near the end of quali I saw it was 19 and I thought it would be too late to leave now. Sorry Andreas.

In the race, wich was my first with a new wheel, I had not the right FFB + rotation settings yet, so I had to quit.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: AnGex on September 15, 2021, 01:49:03 PM +0100

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I tried to connect after 21:00, my bad, then after a couple of try I could join. I don't know who disconnected to leave me room.

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It was me who left the server that time. Very strange thing: I was on the Server with about 30 min Qualy. Did some laps and qualified around P10. Then I saw 2 flickering Cars and thought that something was wrong with my connection. Next was a message with an error on my "Netzwerkkarte". So I left to check what was going on. Found no errors and wanted to rejoin. Then the Grid was full.  ??? In the replay I cannot been seen.  :(


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: Leo Menegucci on September 15, 2021, 05:43:33 PM +0100
Realizing that Ziu was just too quik for me I just settled for a safe pace, hoping for some errors from his part. Looks like it came justo too late for me as he lost some 10+ seconds in the final laps, but just enough to keep his lead. Congratulations! Also for the lapped guys, you did a great job in this tight circuit.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: Doni Yourth on September 16, 2021, 05:31:26 PM +0100
Grats to our podium finishers!  Well done.

I had some good fun poking about with the Formula B Brabham enjoying some dices with Fran and in the waning laps, DaveR.  If not for the three resets noted for Evil, Bot and Phil and a couple of costly mistakes on my part plus a bunt off the road courtesy Monsieur Bot, I might have copped a top 10 finish.  Next time!  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: EvilClive on September 17, 2021, 04:30:08 PM +0100


The moderators are aware of incidents during, and after, the F2 race at Cadwell and are still considering their response.

This message is especially for all participants in that race and a gentle reminder for all.

When all of us registered/signed into this forum we agreed to the condition that forbids swearing or bad language.  nono

However frustrated, angry or excited you might be after an incident or a race, please pause for a moment and choose your words carefully before posting anything that might be considered offensive on the forum.

UKGPL's use of this forum is by the generosity of Dave Gizmo Gymer who provides this facility for many different simracers to use. What a lot of you don't see ( unless you are a moderator ) is the clever backroom systems that allow us to post races/results and the reporting of incidents etc.

Individual offenders could find themselves banned from posting on the forum. But, should Dave find that we do not police ourselves adequately, then  in a worst case scenario UKGPL could find themselves without access to this forum........ and that would make life very difficult for all of us!!!


Just to clarify; swearing is not tolerated in forum posts or race chat. Surely we can find better ways to express ourselves. It's not a great idea in IGOR chatrooms either.
Anyone doing this can expect an immediate race ban and, in the forum, an immediate posting exclusion. If you want to do it in IRC chatrooms fine, just don't expect to do it in UKGPL's. We expect that we are all grown ups and gentlemen here.

PS: and being grown-ups we all know the kind of swearing we mean. A "crap", on occasion, is a necessity, but think carefully before you tread beyond that line.

     UKGPL Moderators.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: bagrupp on September 19, 2021, 08:25:55 PM +0100
everybody should watch the replay. he's refusing to get lapped, and when you fight him he shunts. repeatly. purposly. nearly all other drivers complain.
UKGPL should find consequences for that driver.
If i make a report, he will be demoted from 14th to 16th. what a punishment.
thats the real problem.

Next time i lap him i just shunt him, but don't accept any punishment. I've lost 2 places and evil you should have seen it from pole position.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: EvilClive on September 22, 2021, 09:11:19 PM +0100
This race has thrown up more than one issue that requires careful attention from the moderating team. We are working behind the scenes and hope to publish our findings before the next round of the F2 season.

We appreciate your patience.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: EvilClive on October 01, 2021, 10:26:15 PM +0100
Moderation now complete. Thank you for your patience.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: bagrupp on October 03, 2021, 09:24:04 AM +0100
Can i just ask the Question where is the impact of the penalty when the driver scores 25 points for his race ?
also i never see any impact of the penalty points.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1967 F2 - Cadwell Park - Sep 14
Post by: Phil Thornton on October 03, 2021, 10:47:26 AM +0100
Can i just ask the Question where is the impact of the penalty when the driver scores 25 points for his race ?
You have quite correctly highlighted an issue with demotion of places when we are using mixed grids (Pros and Ams together). The web site demotes a driver from the overall standings (in this case from 14th to 18th) which can affect the net demotion in the Amateurs in a different way depending on how many Pro drivers finished behind the Amateur driver. In this case the driver was demoted 2 Amateur places from 3rd to 5th. This was last place in the Amateurs, so regardless of the mixed grid anomaly he couldn't score less than 25 points for a finish.

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also i never see any impact of the penalty points.
There is a detailed explanation of the Penalty Points (i.e. yellow card) system here (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/yellow_card_example). Every 2 yellow card points a driver has above 2 will automatically incur an extra lost place on subsequent penalties and warnings. Two drivers now have 4 yellow card points. That means if they are involved in another incident, they will incur an extra place penalty because of the yellow card points they have accrued.

An example of how this works from previous seasons is here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13037#event4436). This involves the same driver so I accept this suggests the Yellow Card system is arguably not a great enough deterrent. However the system only works if incidents are reported and moderated.