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Title: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 01, 2007, 10:35:29 AM +0000
Practice 1:20:00(15 mins)full time drivers only
Practice 2:20:15(15 mins)reserves may join too
Qual 2:20:30(25 mins)
Race:20:55(80 mins)note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT, G2 or NGT from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.2 (http://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27) (see this thread (http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2228.0)) (G2 cars will not score points).
Weather: to be decided just before the race based on real-world weather according to the Endurance rules (http://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=42).
Track: Hockenheim National
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: All drivers must make a minimum of one pit stop. This must involve entering the pit lane at the speed limit, and coming to a complete standstill in the designated pit box. Tyres do not have to be changed and no fuel has to be added. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Endurance Masters
Password: here (http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2324)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (http://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (http://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=33).
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers should remember that they get only two free changes of car in each series.
(5) Please read this post (http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2707.0) for the corner cutting rules for this event.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jeffrey on February 01, 2007, 11:28:18 AM +0000
I wanna win this, wanna have the triple this season  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Radius on February 01, 2007, 12:26:16 PM +0000
Are we gonna have "manual implimented" rain?  ;)

No seriously! We cant go the whole season without a rain event. That just sucks the big one!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 01, 2007, 01:04:23 PM +0000
No seriously! We cant go the whole season without a rain event. That just sucks the big one!

There isn't as much rain in the world as you would think...

I'm looking at a totally different solution for next season.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 01, 2007, 01:05:54 PM +0000
We're looking at the corner cutting problem as a matter of urgency and I will post an announcement no later than the end of today.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Kerr on February 01, 2007, 01:16:56 PM +0000

There isn't as much rain in the world as you would think...



Why not add Knockhill to the racing season then!!!!

Must say I much prefer the dry.

What times are people achieving at hockenheim? Just the help me gauge how far behind I am


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Radius on February 01, 2007, 01:17:34 PM +0000
There isn't as much rain in the world as you would think...

lol Im sure there is, just not 8pm GMT on Sundays  ;)

What i meant for this race was to force a rain event unless you feel its "cheating" the rules already set out.

I'm looking at a totally different solution for next season.

How about out of the 8 race Season, every 3rd event hosts a wet race. Keeps things spread out evenly.

We're looking at the corner cutting problem as a matter of urgency and I will post an announcement no later than the end of today.

To help you in your quest here's my view  ;)

From a Hock Nat race i mentioned elsewhere, admins just warned about using the green surface outside T1, T7 and runoff between the last two corners...everywhere else if you take too much curb its definitely gonna slow you down/spin you.

They even had a steward sitting outside T1 to watch those cutting on their quali laps lol


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jure on February 01, 2007, 01:25:22 PM +0000
Did my first practice in new, revised Hockenheim yesterday night (last visit to the track was back in GP4 era ;D ).
Burnt 100L of fuel just to realise (after checking forum) I should be driving Hock National and not GP version.  ::) :angel:

Back to drawing board.  ;D

Right. Race trim with a tweaked Donington setup produced stable 1.24s. Aliens, please let me know your race trim times, I have no idea how fast/slow I'm going. TY.  :)


Nice track though, lambo oriented imho and no time to relax, Tarzan likes that. ;D


edit: any idea how many race laps to expect?

as per wet races, perhaps we should implement rule of thumb, dunno, smthn like... if admins girlfriend's got a period, it's a wet race. Period.  :P ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jeffrey on February 01, 2007, 01:33:20 PM +0000
My qually time in the Lambo were around 1:20.2 . So race trim is around 1s slower. So I expect mid 1:21's in race.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Munkez on February 01, 2007, 01:34:17 PM +0000
How about out of the 8 race Season, every 3rd event hosts a wet race. Keeps things spread out evenly.

I think that would make it too predictable.......  which the weather as we know isn't!

I like the fact we don't know if will be set to rain until 10minutes or so before the race, it throws an added element into the race, adaptability, it makes drivers adjust to the surroundings, giving others who can adapt faster an outside chance.

Does anyone practice in the wet? I would be surprised if they did.......



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 01, 2007, 01:35:16 PM +0000
edit: any idea how many race laps to expect?

80 mins is 80x60 seconds = 4800
Average lap time in GT at the front end is likely to be roughly around 80seconds, so 4800 / 80 = 60 laps (approx)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Don on February 01, 2007, 01:50:20 PM +0000
We're looking at the corner cutting problem as a matter of urgency and I will post an announcement no later than the end of today.


With the corner cutting issue, why not leave the rules as they are (min two wheels within the white lines). Surely we can stick to that!
If someone is seen consistently cutting or is reportedly cutting too often, exclude them from any points they may have got during that race. If it's a repeated problem ban them for a few races.
Can't understand why this has suddenly become a problem? We have had 3 fair seasons in GTR up until now. why are people now deciding to cut corners?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 01, 2007, 02:06:18 PM +0000
With the corner cutting issue, why not leave the rules as they are (min two wheels within the white lines). Surely we can stick to that!
If someone is seen consistently cutting or is reportedly cutting too often, exclude them from any points they may have got during that race. If it's a repeated problem ban them for a few races.
Can't understand why this has suddenly become a problem? We have had 3 fair seasons in GTR up until now. why are people now deciding to cut corners?

1. The rules as they stand are, from a practical viewpoint, unenforcable.
2. I suspect there has been more cutting in the past that has gone unnoticed.

I didn't want them in the first place - it was only massive pressure in the light of the massive cutting GTL allows at Imola which caused us to change.

This thread is not the place for the debate though... nor discussion about Season 5 or how the weather is set.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: PaulW on February 01, 2007, 02:09:27 PM +0000
I'm with Don- two wheels on the track at all times is something I've stuck to since the beginning. It's simple, unambiguous and yet still lets me set the car up for the kerbs and attack them a little if I think it'll help my lap time.

We could have a specific corner cut part in each race announcement that for most tracks would say "two wheels only ... etc" or could include a caveat for specific corners, such as the fast left at Oscher.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jure on February 01, 2007, 03:37:18 PM +0000
edit: any idea how many race laps to expect?

80 mins is 80x60 seconds = 4800
Average lap time in GT at the front end is likely to be roughly around 80seconds, so 4800 / 80 = 60 laps (approx)

therefore our average SROU alien will drive in low 1.22s (traffic taken into the equation, of course) + one 65 sec pitstop. hence 58, perhaps 59 laps.

dang. i got tyres worn message after 28-29 laps (front left, of course, rest were fine). interestingly enough, car still felt fine... weird. ???

questions:
- is it just me or are those dark spots @ braking areas way too exaggerated? one can start braking well after the dark stuff starts, at least 20% later (i.e. waaaay deep into the corner).
- lambo tyres. shoot me if I'm wrong but lambo tends to feel better on low 80 deg.Celsius tyre temp, not more. whatever happened to mid 90's? huh? must have a word with the local Michelin dealer  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Joss on February 01, 2007, 05:11:21 PM +0000
Depends what compound tyre you're running. That and maybe it feels better because when the grip goes it's more gradual when the tyres are colder - when they are hotter you usually have more grip - so when you lose that grip, you're going faster and it might be more of a snap and more difficult to control. All just educated guessing here. My Monza setup feels best on Medium fronts and they ran between 60-80.
It's also down to the way you turn in. Gradual, smooth drivers will most likely benefit from higher temps as the grip is instant plus they are more gentle with their tyres over a stint. People who tend to chuck the car in ( ;D) may not need such high temperatures as sliding is easier with lower temps and then the slide can be controlled throughout the corner to aid turn in.
Technical, but I think it's all relevant


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jure on February 01, 2007, 05:58:17 PM +0000
good point.

was talking about soft front/medium rear combo, u know, the usual  ;D

so I'm right about lambo temps? do lambo michelins work better on low temps? anything above 95 feels.... burned out or smthn. very weird and not consistant.



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 02, 2007, 08:58:52 AM +0000
First post updated with a link to the corner cutting rules.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: popabawa on February 02, 2007, 10:40:13 AM +0000
Just to let you know that unfortunately I'm not going to be able to attend this one :(

Good luck, I hope everyone has a good race ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: OneManBand on February 03, 2007, 02:58:36 PM +0000
Where can I find Hock National - I only have Hockenheim on my install ?

Thnx


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Reign Man on February 03, 2007, 03:29:05 PM +0000
It should be there!!? Right underneath Hock GP in the track listings



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 03, 2007, 03:38:10 PM +0000
Bear in mind that Hock Nat'l will be one of the track you'll need to "unlock" by doing the training stuff if you haven't used the cheat. I think you can play it online with the practice server though even if it's locked.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jure on February 03, 2007, 04:09:08 PM +0000
Bear in mind that Hock Nat'l will be one of the track you'll need to "unlock" by doing the training stuff if you haven't used the cheat. I think you can play it online with the practice server though even if it's locked.

speaking of which, where's the link to that file that unlocks it? i was "cleaning" HDD and got a bit carried away  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 03, 2007, 04:23:22 PM +0000
speaking of which, where's the link to that file that unlocks it? i was "cleaning" HDD and got a bit carried away  ::)

See here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t624101.html).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jure on February 03, 2007, 05:44:17 PM +0000
seeing there.  ;D

ty :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jimmie on February 04, 2007, 03:40:29 PM +0000
- lambo tyres. shoot me if I'm wrong but lambo tends to feel better on low 80 deg.Celsius tyre temp, not more. whatever happened to mid 90's? huh? must have a word with the local Michelin dealer  ;D

Optimum tyre temp is 80 degrees for Michelin slicks and 60-95 for rain tyres.



No seriously! We cant go the whole season without a rain event. That just sucks the big one!

There isn't as much rain in the world as you would think...

I'm looking at a totally different solution for next season.

Some other leagues have been testing with weather.txt files and they did the testing with succes.
Just a weahter announcement like after 30 minutes it starts light raining and at 50 minutes it stops for example. Might not be totally realistic knowing exactly whats gonna happen but it will add quite some pit strategy I think :D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jeffrey on February 04, 2007, 06:06:50 PM +0000
Hope I can attend and finish this one, as I poked a big while in my hand with a screwdriver  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Martin Steinmetz on February 04, 2007, 07:28:26 PM +0000
Not going to attend this race, nor any future races.

Have fun all. :-)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jeffrey on February 04, 2007, 07:39:37 PM +0000
Not going to attend this race, nor any future races.

Have fun all. :-)


 :'( What, I was looking forward to a historic chanpionship battle between me, you and CJ :-[.

Good luck with anything you'll do next :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: pribeiro on February 04, 2007, 09:33:01 PM +0000
I hope you had fun :)
Since i upgrated PC memory from 1G to 2G (3 days ago), i had
some freeze with a continous beep noise (only with games) :helpsmilie:
PC stay so blocked that i have to shut down in the power button :death:
Oh dear; Friday i had this problem just when one race was about to begin,
Saturday, when ony left 15 mnts from a race of 40 mnts,
and today just at 2nd lap..........all this in different league races :censored:

See you later :eek:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Nevski on February 04, 2007, 09:49:36 PM +0000
Unlucky Pribeiro!  :(

I had a few technical issues myself this race. The FF on the old MS SW FF started to intermittently cut out in quall. Thought I had cured it by repositiioning the wire but it started happening again in the race. Also looks like I broke a spring on the throttle which eventually forced me to retire.

Sorry to whoever got caught up in my car after I lost control. Time to invest in a new G25 I think.

Nev


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: rufbtr on February 04, 2007, 10:18:27 PM +0000
nice racing dudes, for the most of the time iwas on my own, after i had pribeiro's car right in front of me frozen on the track. anyways i couldn't keep up with anybody. i think my setups aren't that good. i was losing 1 sec per lap on the next car. and finally the engine blew. other problem could be my pedals are not working good anymore, i had a broken spring, i have put i new one in, but it looks like it is not giving 100% anymore.

hmm maybe also time for a new wheel or pedal assembly.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Enzo on February 04, 2007, 10:20:43 PM +0000
yea i didnt have the best of times this evening!
had done a bit of practice for this race and was looking in good shape!

claus managed an incredible 19.7 in qually to my (extrememly pleased) second spot of 20.4
1 min to go to race and i get a disco! so have to start from the back of the field!

race start and got thro the ngt's as quick and safe as i could, i think it took 4 or so laps, thanks ngt guys for being predictable!
after that caught a 4 5 car chain at the back of the gt field, and was stuck for around 4 or so laps not finding a way past, but then tyrs started to wear out infront of me and i was able to dive up the inside of a few cars! got myself into 5th with 20 secs to 4th with around 50 mins to go, pitted with 40 mins to go and just got out in 4th with around 11 secs to third after everything shook out, started really putting some laps in when i discoed again :(

how ever I enjoyed the race and i am looking forward to a good battle for season 5


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jimmie on February 04, 2007, 10:23:58 PM +0000
Bad luck Enzo!


Had a nice qualy at 3rd just behind Ruskus. Race went excellent chasing him :)
One lap the gap got closer, the other lap it went a bit bigger again. My front tyres didn't last 40 minutes though, so got into a battle with Radius and B Kerr for a while :)
Decided for an early pit, so I can get the time back with fresh tyres. But in the pit I kinda screwed up because somehow my starter button was unbound... Lost too much time with that, so after a few laps I got back in the row with them :)

Think it would've been a great fight but unfortunately an accident happend at mercedes arena and I couldn't avoid it... damaging about everything possible. Repairs would take around 3 minutes so well end of race really.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Mark J on February 04, 2007, 10:33:40 PM +0000
another race to forget for me. Didnt get the best preparation having been heavy drinking and late nights since thursday  :clown: :drool:
on a leaving doo and stag doo  :o

Struggled around near the back but gradually made a few places as people had off's or troubles. Did my pitstop only to receive a stop and go for speeding which is very odd as i let the AI do the pit limiter off at end of pitlane  ??? So came around to re-pit and the stupid buggers tried to give me another full pitstop. >:( In my confusion/disgust i hit escape by mistake and it DNF'd me  :-[ :( D'oh.

Are you supposed to do anything different for a stop and go ? (it was my first with GTR2)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: picnic on February 04, 2007, 10:36:00 PM +0000
Replay (http://ukgtr.simracing.org.uk/Hockenheim%20National%20-%20Endurance%20Masters%20070204.zip) and Provisional Results (http://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=260) available


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Kerr on February 04, 2007, 10:42:37 PM +0000
Enjoyed that one greatly.

Never managed to match my pace while practicing the other day, but car felt superglued to the track apart from a few mistakes I made. Shame I'm not as good as driver as some others but the car felt spot on, my best set up so far.

I damaged the car after only a few laps. Right behind Jimmie he suddenly swerved right and a stationary BMW looked like had frozen in middle of track. I actually hit it very hard but for some reason it only caused a small amount of damage. The damage however made the car understeer going right. Suffered it to pit stop, then repair made car so much better again.

Held off Radius for about 12 laps and he took advantage of a back marker slowing me out of a bend to ease past me down the straight.
He pitted before me and I thought a few quick laps might see me out in front.

A couple of back markers having a little battle came together and I was passing when he moved right back across, pushing me on to the grass losing too much time. Obviously never noticed me. I then went off on my own accord to make sure I was never going to come out ahead of Radius. Was pulling him in towards the end and only wished for another few laps to have a go.

Great race everyone and enjoyed it immensely


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jeffrey on February 04, 2007, 10:44:36 PM +0000


Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Hockenheim Enduro 04-02-2007 MAS/index.html)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 04, 2007, 10:44:44 PM +0000
Short and sweet race report....

1st half of race  :sleep1: :sleep1: :sleep1:

2nd half of race  :jumpjoy:

Thanks TT for the great battle. Shame I went and lost it with 1 lap to go though as gawd only knows what would have happened on last lap. Very few people I'm happy to race that close for that long with and you are one of them.  :thumbup2:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jimmie on February 04, 2007, 10:44:50 PM +0000
So came around to re-pit and the stupid buggers tried to give me another full pitstop. >:(

Are you supposed to do anything different for a stop and go ? (it was my first with GTR2)

At the pitboard you will see something like STOP/GO: Yes
You could change it to No, if you're in serious need of fuel and come back a lap later for the STOP/GO.
But by default you can just press enter and do the stop and go :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Madd-RIP on February 04, 2007, 10:50:31 PM +0000
Well certainly enjoyed that  ;D , had long battles with Jure and Flybri initially and then Paul Richards for the second half of the race, I was more than happy with my setup, I felt comfortable with it so I could keep up the pace, man this track chews your tires, I even had a tyre warning!( a first for me!) 9 laps before I was due in so those last few laps cost me dearly as Paul was in front of me after I pitted  :( , Ngt's were fair when being lapped although it's always a bit touch and go if they're fighting amongst themselves, as you don't want to spoil their fight ( hope I didn't interfere TT and Shark)
All in all I know I finished where I was because of retirements but at least I kept it on the Island!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Paul Richards on February 04, 2007, 10:54:02 PM +0000
Enjoyed that one although it was hard work! Got a good qually time not too far off my PB set on the very last lap so started quite high up the grid. Pace lap all went fine but then as soon as we started the FPS dropped and it was jerking all over the place into corners. Was still able to drive as it wasn't too bad but then into the right hander at the beginning of final sector it nearly came to a standstill and the car behind suddenly jumped into the back of me. Apologies to whoever it was and I thought about retiring but it speeded back up again.

Rejoined just after the lead NGT of Paul and it was still pretty bad but drivable. Decided just to stay there and after another lap whatever my PC was doing stopped and FPS was back up to normal! Then the fun started with I managed to catch a 4 car battle behind teammate Bri. Enzo then caught me making a long train. Good racing for a few laps then after a spin or two Enzo got away and I found myself near Madd Rip. We battled right up to the pit stop and I came while in just behind him. After coming out he was behind me and then a lap later he pitted. I pushed hard and overtook as he came up to speed out of the pit lane. He then had a little spin but it couldn't have been too bad as I got caught up with the NGTs he was soon behind again. It was then my turn to make a mistake and he got by. Apologies if this off interfered with the Shark - TT battle I had just got past. I chased him for the rest of the race but couldn't close to more than 3 secs behind. Good race mate! Congrats to the winners.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jure on February 04, 2007, 11:06:40 PM +0000
I see we all had plenty of problems  ;D

Had great battles, then clipped flybri going into last turn and decided it's time for a stop/go penalty.

Now guess who hit escape button by mistake while pitting...  ::)


Was fun though.  8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Kerr on February 04, 2007, 11:09:13 PM +0000
Had a look at replay, it's about 490 that the collision with BMW takes place. It looks like Jimmie clipped it too. The BMW does not actually appear in the replay so I guess it was a glitch rather than an accident.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Truetom on February 04, 2007, 11:26:19 PM +0000
Short and sweet race report....

1st half of race  :sleep1: :sleep1: :sleep1:

2nd half of race  :jumpjoy:

Thanks TT for the great battle. Shame I went and lost it with 1 lap to go though as gawd only knows what would have happened on last lap. Very few people I'm happy to race that close for that long with and you are one of them.  :thumbup2:

Had the same uneventful 1st stint. Had 18 seconds gap to Shark behind me. When I pitted, I just pressed "enter", so that I would loose as little time as possible. Somehow that sneaky Shark managed to have 18 seconds shorter pitstop than me!  :o  Oh, dear! We exited the pit side by side and then the race truly began.  :o  We were glued all the way to the finish, swapped positions a few times and at the same time tried to avoid GTs.  ;D  Was prepaired for the final lap horrific battle when I saw Shark spinned at the accelerating in the Stadium. So I just cruised to the finish.  :)  Nice driving Shark, tough, fair and safe as usual.  :thumbup2:

Jeez, look at the championship results! One race to the finish and anything is possible.  :scared:

Too bad the Legends were absent tonight. Even MJ didn't finish and I think this is the end of a dream for NGT championship win.  :taz: :no:

Good race!  :)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jimmie on February 04, 2007, 11:29:44 PM +0000
Had a look at replay, it's about 490 that the collision with BMW takes place. It looks like Jimmie clipped it too. The BMW does not actually appear in the replay so I guess it was a glitch rather than an accident.

Yeah I actually noticed that in my replay the damage (to the car) is different to the server replay, interesting :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Enzo on February 05, 2007, 12:04:48 AM +0000
for ever the optimist eh rad ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Kerr on February 05, 2007, 12:19:22 AM +0000
That was PR's M3, i hit it as well following you too closely, big damage on the left but i learnt to drive around that. Was OK race, held up by both Kerr and Jimmie's lambos..they just cost me so much time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :D

...but i got them both when they leave small gaps and I'm in and they wont get it back lol

The saleen once again eat its tires so i had to wrestle the thing around all race and i think i did the best job out there tonight (apart from CJ ofc) lambos are just so easy @ Hock...even more so Hock Nat as i was faster than Rus's lambo time in a offline Lambo praccy and 550 was even faster. So it was Saleen and drive my hardest which was a bit fun i guess.

Im really getting bored with GTR2's repetitive nature....i already know how a race will end up @ SRou before its run, maybe one or 2 surprises but generally the same..I'm not referring to drivers individual pace but the serious lack of variation amongst driving machines.

Was sad to see Martin leave as he, Mark MC myself and Simon  ;) the only guys choosing to race different cars most events...the rest of grid was zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 550 & lambo...like tonight's race for eg.



think most of that is a little uncalled for.

Yes it seem that Claus and Ruskus are always the front runners but it's for everyone else to catch them, not sure how but I will try to improve.

As for blaming me and Jimmie holding you up it seems a pretty bitter statement to make. I could hold you off without much problem as matching lap times throughout the race. I got caught out by slower back marker and you barged him out the way to make the pass. I have no complaints as you never hit me.

Jimmie was driving well then I could see he developed handling issues but you were only behind him for a few laps. He had enough pace before to gain an advantage.

Not sure the point in also criticising Lambo drivers etc. Before Monza the complaint was people changing cars to suit tracks and gain advantage and not sticking by their original choice of car.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jeffrey on February 05, 2007, 06:17:23 AM +0000
Talking about variation. Check out your last posts Rad, they all had IF in it. I could have won IF I didn't spin, IF I could find reverse, IF I didn't take the sh*ttier car (which the Saleen is NOT by far, it won the champ at SR.nl with no weight balast, beating alot of 550's). And also the saaaaame "joke" in incar chat. So if there is somebody with a lack of variety...
I just tend to stick with the same car in enduro and GT sprint. I swapped twice at the beginning of NGT sprint, but since then I stayed the same. Car swaps are not a good thing in a season IMO, but I used the 2 in NGT to find the car I was looking for. As I don't dislike the Lambo and 550 as much as I did the GTC, I'm sticking with them.

And this is only the first GTR2 series, so don't draw your conclusions. Next season I'm sure people will take other cars. Again, at SR.nl, the same thing happened. First season 3/4 was 550, now there are Saleens, C5R's, Lambo's, 550's, Listers etc.

At Hockenheim I also didn't match my PB, d'UH. You can't always beat a PB in online qually when there are other people around and the situation is different. For me I was racing with my left hand in bandages because of accident that happened yesterday.

And I have to agree, that what you said about Kerr and Jimmie does sound disrespectfull, eventough it wasn't meant like that. A different kind of words would have been wise.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Truetom on February 05, 2007, 08:21:06 AM +0000
Ngt's were fair when being lapped although it's always a bit touch and go if they're fighting amongst themselves, as you don't want to spoil their fight ( hope I didn't interfere TT and Shark)

Mostly GTs were ok, while there were some situations where they were a bit close. Especialy 'cause they were not involved in a direct duel like me and Shark. Overtaking through the Stadium, for example, between the last two corners was unnecessary - it ALWAYS directly impacted exit speed on the s/f straight. But ok, since both me and Shark had to recompense for that its no big damage done. It's a hard circuit for two classes to race at once, so all in all GTs were ok.

As for the variety discussion, I'd like to add I have a challenge to get to know the car before I change it. I feel I get out of the car much more after several races and I enjoy it more, not less. Also, I take Sprints as fun races but I take Endurance seriously. Last night I finished 3rd NGT, but I feel like a winner 'cause I made an accomplishement I can rarely claim. And I enjoyed it immensly.  :)  I feel weight pack added quality - and variety - to the championship although I didn't think so at the beggining. Maybe you could try driving NGT for change, Rad.  :)  Taking a Vertislowblow should highten your motivation.  :D

TT   


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: purdie on February 05, 2007, 11:15:37 AM +0000
So what im getting at is i spend 2 hrs to race a night instead of doing more pleasurable things (those who know me will testify to that Grin )

 :tt1:

Giggety Giggety Goo....the Quagmire of SRou  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jeffrey on February 05, 2007, 11:50:41 AM +0000

This is your first post in this thread, so thats all your ever care about so go away!


 :lol: Hahaha, damn, you know me, I have no more secrets for you anymore  :P. I wanna win races this season, true, like so many others. Weird innit, it's a race, winning would be an abnormal thing to want  ::).
I already posted my car choice for season 5, which you can find somewhere on the forum, to show that S5 will be about having fun races.

The only way you can get away from me, is leaving yourself. If not, suck it up and keep those remarks to yourself  :-*


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Paul968 on February 05, 2007, 12:29:40 PM +0000
Well, I finally managed to convert a leading position in Endurance into a win :jumpjoy: Got a decent lap in for pole, started with brimming tanks and prayed for a bit of luck this time. Leuven slipped up early on, which left Mo chasing me down until he had to leave - an irate pit crew chief called him in for an unscheduled stop (gave him the baby to hold apparently!). I then slowly gained a 10 second lead up to the pitstops. I thought I had plenty of time in reserve, especially considering I needed no fuel at all, but a combination of holding on to worn tyres too long and a bodged diabetic blood test at the stop meant that Leuven was right on my tail after the stop. We then had a number of tense laps :sweatdrop: trying to stay out of the way of GTs, with the gap yoyoing around. I had a heart in mouth moment when I was faced with a huge black cloud  :eek: on the way into the stadium complex (Mike Soedito with a big blow up) and almost missed the corner, and another when Radius looked up the inside late into the hairpin and in leaving room I went wide and almost into the tyres. Having survived these I was finally able to stretch away and was up to 10s at the end.

I found the track was not the best for letting the GTs by, as the straights were often not long enough for them to be out of the way by the next corner. I was also a little unimpressed by a couple of GTs in qual who messed up my hotlaps and in the process must have spoiled theirs - what is the point of that? ???

Congrats to CJ on the GT win. Looking forward to Barcelona now, although the Beemers will be back on the pace I expect (too many tight corners at Hock).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 05, 2007, 01:42:09 PM +0000
Again your world renown ego comes to the for   >:(

Radius and Ruskus, grow up the pair of you! :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jeffrey on February 05, 2007, 02:21:18 PM +0000
Again your world renown ego comes to the for   >:(

:sleep1:

Wow, I'm known throughout the world :o. Guess I missed a meeting. Did you check outside your team, ask around? No, didn't think so.

Check your own ego, you are the one here saying you would beat us all if you had a better car. Wake up and smell the roses, the Saleen is good.
I quote you:

"i could def had beaten Ruskus to 4th, np!" (Monza endurance). If you didn't spin and lost the starter button (your own words, see the IF again).

"held up by both Kerr and Jimmie's lambos..they just cost me so much time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" So if the guys infront are slower than you (which they might have been in this case due to damage) and they fight for position, they have to let you throug, as Radius can't be held up  :-X

"even more so Hock Nat as i was faster than Rus's lambo time in a offline Lambo praccy and 550 was even faster." Again, mr Worship showing how good he is. Show it when it matters.

"what im trying to say is if i took the Lambo theres a big chance you wouldnt have seen me all race..so you lapping all on your own then m8". I know, it get's boring, but yet again. Rad saying he would have beaten Kerr if he was in the Lambo. But not just that, he would have driven away from him like it was nothing.

"but if i took a "better" car my race report would be like this as well:  1st stint :sleep1: 2nd stint  :sleep1:" Yeah yeah, you would have lapped us all and showed us how to do it  ::)

"This is your first post in this thread, so thats all your ever care about so go away!" Somebody talks back to Rad, and he immediatly tries to avoid the "problem" instead of facing them. Real mature  :no:.

Now think to yourself Rad...who's ego is acting up? Indeed....not mine  :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 05, 2007, 02:23:49 PM +0000
Behave or face the wrath of Almighty Cod!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jeffrey on February 05, 2007, 02:27:02 PM +0000
Behave or face the wrath of Almighty Cod!

Don't you mean God  ;D?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Kerr on February 05, 2007, 02:50:31 PM +0000
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You misunderstood/misquoted what im saying so i wont respond :no: ok just one lol ....what im trying to say is if i took the Lambo theres a big chance you wouldnt have seen me all race..so you lapping all on your own then m8...but by taking a sh*tier car we had a great battle, me, you and Jimmie..really great!

Quote


I think I understood you exactly, rude and offensive remarks about everything to do with this forum.
As for misquoting how is that? I only copied exactly what you had typed, no edits.

To blame me for holding you up just seems like as Ruskus highlighted another cheap excuse. Over the entire race you did have faster lap than me, by an incredible 0.054sec, big difference. Other than that it was near identical lap for lap and I was quicker in qualifying too. Your pass on me I'm sure will also be looked at by moderators as you did barge a slower car out the way to make the pass when the room was not there.

 Once you were ahead you hardly gained any advantage and towards the end of the race I was pulling you in at a good rate. Hardly consistent with your view. Then you have the cheek to accuse someone else of being arrogant.

 radius, sportmanship and gentlemanly conduct goes a long way. if you loose you loose accept it and try again. I can't match the quickest guys but it's not going to stop me trying and when I do finish behind them i will applaud them and make my own valid excuses!!!!!

You can say I held you up, unfair. you can claim your car was damaged, as was mine and Jimmie's for that matter.

As you said you picked the saleen so you could have a race with the likes of me and would have wiped the floor if you went with the lambo. The obvious question would then be why not pick the Lambo and have a race with the leaders?

Please show some respect and some manners Radius. No doubt you are a good driver but as originally said most of your comments are uncalled for and it seems you are continuing in the same manner. thought the stream would have blown over by now.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Adam Parle on February 05, 2007, 03:05:32 PM +0000
Flipping heck guys.  When someone says they were held up, that doesn't automatically finger the driver infront for driving like a muppet - there is such a thing as defending your position.  I've been "held up" on more than one occasion by my now teammate Don - not through bad driving, but quite the opposite, through good driving.

If you've got issue with a person's driving, report it to the mods rather than airing your dirty laundry here - as it's creating a bad taste in everyone's mouths.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Kerr on February 05, 2007, 03:14:39 PM +0000
I understand Adam i just feel a bit angry about Radius' attitude throughout here, very critical about everything and most of it unjust.



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Truetom on February 05, 2007, 04:21:07 PM +0000
Jeez! And I thought I had a tough race!  ;D

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Radius on February 05, 2007, 04:28:12 PM +0000
Jeez! And I thought I had a tough race!  ;D

TT

 ;D

I deleted my posts as i should know better than give my opinion and then argue with certain people however i might feel I'm in the right or wrong. Sorry you misunderstood me on that.

lol that took allot for a hard arse like me to type so R-E-S-P-E-C-T-A !  :D  Thanks for those that sent kind PM's of help!

Live and let die, lets race!



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 05, 2007, 06:00:36 PM +0000
Behave or face the wrath of Almighty Cod!
Don't you mean God  ;D?

Nope (http://www.codalmighty.com/site/ca.php)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Paul968 on February 05, 2007, 06:12:38 PM +0000
or perhaps 'face the wrasse of almighty Cod'?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 05, 2007, 06:35:56 PM +0000
or perhaps 'face the wrasse of almighty Cod'?

Actually I think he meant the almighty Haddock...
(http://www.extra-gtfc.co.uk/clubshop/images/Harry-Haddock.jpg)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: LEUVEN on February 05, 2007, 06:43:31 PM +0000
 :offtopic:

Can we get back on topic please, and continue the arguing. :P

 ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jeffrey on February 05, 2007, 06:44:50 PM +0000
:offtopic:

Can we get back on topic please, and continue the arguing. :P

 ;)

 :lol:

I did a 1:19.8 in the Saleen  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: LEUVEN on February 05, 2007, 06:50:33 PM +0000
(http://www.jardin-d-eden.co.uk/acatalog/FiloFAX_Cross_Handbag-Pink.jpg)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jeffrey on February 05, 2007, 06:54:16 PM +0000
(http://www.jardin-d-eden.co.uk/acatalog/FiloFAX_Cross_Handbag-Pink.jpg)

Lol, I already have one  ;D. Good bag, better than the others I had  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: LEUVEN on February 05, 2007, 06:55:40 PM +0000
:lol: have to ask Shark to give it a quick going over with the Team Shark paint brush.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jeffrey on February 05, 2007, 07:05:02 PM +0000
:lol: have to ask Shark to give it a quick going over with the Team Shark paint brush.  ;D

:lol: He is either too busy with his guitar or his Wii. Do not disturb. Angry Sharks are dangerous  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 05, 2007, 07:27:43 PM +0000
Here you go...
(http://images.etsy.com/all_images/5/5d4/49b/il_430xN.954753.jpg)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: pribeiro on February 05, 2007, 09:57:26 PM +0000
One unlucky moment never comes alone ::)
My Motherboard or my Graphic card blow (or both) :cry:
I dont know when i can fix that :cry:
I am posting from my daughter PC :o
I hope see you soon :?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: Jeffrey on February 05, 2007, 10:06:18 PM +0000
Here you go...
(http://images.etsy.com/all_images/5/5d4/49b/il_430xN.954753.jpg)


Yeah, I ordered one. Can't wait to pimp around at the uni ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: rufbtr on February 07, 2007, 04:03:36 PM +0000
pffffwww i finally could fix my pedal problems, installed new springs for brake and acc. then i still had to calibrate the pedals, with a little tool thats on the wingman/beta page. "momracingpedalsupdate.exe".

Improvements:
-------------
. Pedal "going out of calibration" solved (hopefully)
. Built-in "MOMO Racing Centering fix"
. Filter spikes (new for this release)
. Fixed problem with "full left wheel, full brake/accelerator" at
  random inopportune times

Requirements:
-------------

. Recent Logitech Gaming Software (4.x) successfully installed
. Logitech MOMO Racing wheel

so if anybody has the same problems with his MOMO Force, this tool is the answer.
You have to reboot before the fix works.

I tested it on hockenheim national, where i was doing low 1.29's (fastest time) before the fix, and now i am running low 1.26's.

hope i can be some competition in the next races again, cause i was wondering if i was getting old and slow :-)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: PaulW on February 07, 2007, 04:33:40 PM +0000
Interesting- have you got a link please?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: rufbtr on February 07, 2007, 10:10:41 PM +0000
http://www.wingmanteam.com/latest_software/beta_main.htm

there you go.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: PaulW on February 08, 2007, 09:31:31 AM +0000
Thanks- hoovering and tapping it occasionally no longer stops the spikes :D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 4
Post by: BigG on February 13, 2007, 09:42:31 PM +0000
will this work for the DFP, do you know?