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Season 39 - 69X – Round 3 –  Roosevelt Raceway 1937


Following the end of the Great Depression, George Washington Vanderbilt III, George Preston Marshall and Eddie Rickenbacker raised money to build a new home for the dormant Vanderbilt Cup, which had last been run in 1916. 1908 Vanderbilt Cup winner George Robertson was hired to oversee construction of the facility. The land was acquired by lease of the land that was "Unit 2" of the Roosevelt Field airport, and was the site of the runway from which Charles Lindbergh took off in the Spirit of St. Louis. The original raceway was twisty and bumpy, not quite suited to the big-bore big-BHP racecars of the day, and a number of the drivers did not like the track. The 1937 layout was faster, with fewer corners and longer straights. Despite these adaptations, no GP motor car races were held there afterwards.
The track has been recreated in at least two racing games, Spirit of Speed 1937 and the Grand Prix Legends racing simulation.

Please check the Season 39 pages for details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1531&theme=6) regarding rules and the 1969x F1 pages (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1601&theme=6) in particular.

Handicapping
The cars will be divided into five groups, each group containing cars of similar performance.
Drivers will be graded as either "Professional", "Intermediate" or "Amateur".
Drivers will be limited to cars from specific groups based on their grade
and must choose 2 cars and drive them an equal number of times.


Incidents will not be moderated as we race as gentlemen.
One (1x) Shift-R is allowed with no need to make Stop & Go.

Race list	=	iGOR
Server	=	UKGPL_8
IP address Server	=	TBA
Password	=	see above (#post_event_password)
GPL Mod	=	69X
Damage model	=	Intermediate
60fps Patch	=	60fpsV1
Track directory	=	roo37 (http://www.javinester.co.uk/gpl/roosevelt.html)
Qualifying starts	=	20:45 UK time - 45 minutes
Race starts	=	~ 21:30 UK time
Race length	=	25 laps
Replay	=	here (https://www.mediafire.com/file/rfe92glts15ui5r/UKGPL_8__60fps.2021.10.01.23.24.rpy.7z/file)

Drivers will be graded as either "Professional", "Intermediate" or "Amateur".

Please tell me your car choice before the next race ;)

pro   Alain Maurice (FT)
int   AnGex (FT)                                    
am   Claudio Navonne (FT)                                    
int   Cookie (FT)                                    
am   dave curtis (FT)                                    
pro   EvilClive (FT)                                    
int   fpolicardi (FT)                                    
pro   GrandPrixYannick (FT)                                    
am   PaulV (FT)                                    
pro   Pete Bennett (FT)                                    
int   Philippe Girard (FT)                                    
pro   Ziu Bacubacu (FT)                                    
pro   Baab (R1)    
int    bagrupp (R1)                              
am   Billy Nobrakes (R1)                                    
int   Doni Yourth (FT)                                    
pro   Enrique Farina (R1)                                    
int   francesco (R1)                                    
int   Gareth (R1)                                    
pro   Leo Menegucci (R1)
pro   MagicArsouille (R1)                                      
int   Phil Thornton (R1)                                    
int   Rainier (R1)

Important

As we have now 23 registered driver, we use the following procedere:

If at 21:05 UK time the server is full with >17 drivers

The Reserve driver have to leave for 10 Minutes to give waiting Full time driver the chance to join

GLA + FUN

Who knows,

One day we maybe able to race this track with the '37 cars.

(http://gplr.srmz.net/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=79573)

I hope it helps...

At this moment, here are the two selected cars by drivers :

pro   Alain Maurice (FT)       BRM / Lotus 63
int   AnGex (FT)                  Ferrari / McLaren M9A                    
am   Claudio Navonne (FT)   ??? / ???                                  
int   Cookie (FT)                  Ferrari / BRM                    
am   dave curtis (FT)           Lotus 49B / Matra MS80                        
pro   EvilClive (FT)              McLaren M9A / Lotus 49                        
int   fpolicardi (FT)              Ferrari / BRM                        
pro   GrandPrixYannick (FT) McLaren M9A / Matra MS84                                
am   PaulV (FT)                   Matra MS80 / Ferrari                    
pro   Pete Bennett (FT)        Lotus 49 / Lotus 63                            
int   Philippe Girard (FT)      Ferrari / BRM                                    
pro   Ziu Bacubacu (FT)       BRM /  Matra MS84                        
pro   Baab (R1)                   BRM / ???      
int    bagrupp (R1)               ??? / ???                      
am   Billy Nobrakes (R1)     Brabham BT26 / McLaren M7                              
int   Doni Yourth (FT)          Brabham BT24 / Eagle   :o :o :o                        
pro   Enrique Farina (R1)     ??? / ???                                
int   francesco (R1)             McLaren M7 / McLaren M9A                        
int   Gareth (R1)                 Ferrari / ???                    
pro   Leo Menegucci (R1)    BRM / Lotus 49  
pro   MagicArsouille (R1)     McLaren M9A / ???                                          
int   Phil Thornton (R1)        Ferrari / BRM                            
int   Rainier (R1)                Ferrari / BRM    

I'd posted in the registration thread,  but just to confirm - the other unhappy car is a Matra MS80

Cheers,
Dave.

Corrected  ;)

This should be a fun round.  I'll attempt to qualify the Eagle provided that it can lap within the 110% rule.  I have pre-determined figures that will enable me to assess my chances.  If it looks like I'll not make the cut, I'll ditch the Blue Bird for my BT24.

Looking at the championship standings, I note that Bot has yet to be disqualified from the Spa race thanks to four resets.  Please correct this ASAP.

where he is right, he is right!

finally! I am very happy, I managed to connect with my smartphone.  :taz:
I'll be with you tonight friends! :clap:

Race length   =    25 laps

As there was no reference time yet - we race ~ 45 min

I had a great start from P9 and took a place from Phillipe. I decided to take a wide line to avoid any T1 incidents but got clipped by a sliding Axel. Rejoining, I bounced around a bit with Doni's Eagle (sorry) but as far as I can tell, none of us had to reset. The next 13 laps were a great battle with Evil, Dave R, Fulvio and Andreas. So much fun trying to keep up in the slippery Lotus 49. I wasn't enjoying the circuit earier in the evening but come the race, I was loving it. Dave - it's a real shame that your BRM went BANG with a couple of laps to go. Andreas, thanks for the super-close finish. 0.07 sec. :)  I'm really pleased - another race without a shift-r.

Grats to the podium guys and all finishers.

Lack of pre race practice was my downfall. The circuit was easy enough to learn, although remembering which of all the corners were the slower ones was key to avoiding a spin. But it was my setup, or lack of setup, that proved my biggest problem.

Several adjustments during qualifying showed that I was developing some decent pace on race fuel. The mistake that I made was only running 3-4 laps after each adjustment. It felt great as the tyres warmed and the grip improved and I was looking forward to the race. I miraculously weaved my way through T1 and was beginning to enjoy some close racing in the early laps.
 
What I only discovered after 6 laps of close racing was that I was cooking my front tyres and after 7-8 laps I could not make the beast turn in for corners!! So, then I had to back off and allow things to cool before going again. I won't mention the numerous clunks against the barrier ( as a result of the terminal understeer ) that gradually deranged the steering/braking. Things got so bad by around 75% distance that I had to reset.
By now I was at the tail end of the field with a heavy car and a couple more bumps against the barriers provided me with a car that I could not even get around the final corner without 2 spins!! lol
Note to myself.... " more preparation"   ::)

Yeah, although I couldn't improve in the race, it was a very exciting race. There were some nice duels, especially with Pete.  :fencing:
Congratulations to the podium.

Congratulations to our podium finishers!  A special shout-out to Dave Curtis for snagging P2 and actually leading for a bit.  Well done.

I was greatly disappointed to not run the Pease Eagle.  In pre-race trials, I'd managed a best of 2m00.40s as best and applying the 110% cutoff rule meant that if anyone surpassed a lap of 1m49.45s, I'd be excluded.  Yannick set pole with a 1m49.14s lap.  Bugger!  Fie on thee, Yannick!  Parking the Eagle, I brought out the BT24 Brabham which was considerably faster and I easily made the grid.  Why use the Pease Eagle at all?  I saw Al Pease drive dozens of times at Mosport in a variety of cars and was a top gun club racer.  As for my driving the Eagle, I'm in this for fun.  My ego doesn't need a top up, thanks.  RIP, Al...

As for the race, I managed to survive the T1, Lap01 scrum even with a nudge from Pete and soldiered on to score a decent P13 finish.  Without resets by the competition, that would have been a fine P7.

Note to Andreas...

You passed me starting Lap03 and you were fully visible with a good image ahead as you swept into T1.  However, part way through Lap04 with your car now some distance ahead and setting up for T7, I could have sworn that you winked out for a moment.  I've just confirmed this in my personal replay cap and the server copy.  Your ISP still not doing you any favours, mate.

Is it a UKGPL rule or a Doni's rule ?

I already started several races with no time at all.


About Al Pease (RIP) ...he is the only F1 driver to have been disqualified for driving too slowly and dangerously.
During the 1969 Canadian GP, he was lapped by the leaders after only 5 laps and was responsible of Moser retirement and contacts with other cars (Stewart, Beltoise, Courage)

This appears to be Doni's rule (well it is based on the real 107% rule used in real F1 that Doni has decided to adopt) which actually contradicts the UKGPL rule with regards to swapping cars (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/contravene_online).

So Doni should receive a caution for swapping a slow car. However, we need to be pragmatic here. Provided the server was not compromised (which is the main reason for this rule) then there is really no harm done to the leaders. Doni was simply trying to ensure he was last by a smaller margin by swapping the slowest car for the next slowest car.

The current cutoff is 107% I believe.  Back in the day, it was 110%.  Pease was allowed to start the 1969 Canadian GP but by rights, should not have been.  He must have appealed to the organizing body, the CRDA, for a start privilege.  Bad call as it turned out.

To avoid a car swap penalty in future, how be I join the server with the Eagle, keep the car parked til I see how the pole time is shaping up and if I can meet the 110% criterion with some degree of comfort, then I'll stick with it.  If it looks like the fast time is outside the bracket, I'll disconnect and rejoin with the BT24 not having turned a lap in the Eagle.  Is that OK?  My pre-race trials should give me an indication as to whether or not the Eagle can cut it.  BTW, at Spa67, it was hopelessly off the pace so it was a given to join with the BT24.

Just for History, Al Pease with a time 1m28s50 was quicker on the grid than Bill Brack (I don't think he was Billy Nobrakes  ;) ) 1m28s70, John Cordts 1m29s70  and Silvio Moser 1m41s40
Silvio was from Switzerland but the 3 others were local drivers ...it would have been difficult to not qualify them ! 
The poleman (and winner) was Jacky Ickx with 1m17s40

Cookie is the Divisional Mod for this series so if he is OK with you swapping to the BT24 if your Eagle qually time is outside the 110% window then I've no objection. Just one driver doing that shouldn't adversely affect the server. So there is no need for you to sit in the pits until qually is nearly over before you try to set a time in the Eagle. If you've set times in the Eagle and have to swap to the BT24 at the last minute then so be it.

Note to others: Please don't take this as an invitation to swap cars. We are trying to make an exception here just for Doni. However, if anyone else wants to drive the Eagle we could allow a similar dispensation.

This rule has existed ever since I started with UKGPL back in 2002. It has never been tested AFAIK. To be honest I don't know what would happen if 19 drivers joined the server and then they all started swapping cars. I assume the server would get confused and drivers wouldn't be able to reconnect but I can't be sure. Perhaps we could try an experiment one day?

The 107% does not exist at UKGPL!
But there is the rule that the car may not be changed after a timed lap.

https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/contravene_online

When importing the race data into the SROU database
it can do a lot of extra work as the rpydump generator only accepts the first entry and reports the others as doublette and ignors them.
In the data reconciliation with the GPL export html this can even lead to a rejection, which then makes a time-consuming manual debugging necessary.

Understood, Axel & Phil.  In future, I shan't join the server with the Eagle unless I'm fully confident of meeting the 110% cutoff.  Thanks for your courteous replies.