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Title: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 03, 2007, 05:37:22 PM +0000
Practice 1:20:15(10 mins)full time drivers only
Practice 2:20:25(10 mins)reserves may join too
Qual 2:20:35(20 mins)
Race:20:55(40 minutes)note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any G2 or NGT from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.2 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27) (see this thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2228.0)) (G2 cars will not score points).
Weather: Dry
Track: Hockenheim National
Race Start Time 14:00

Server: UKGTR NGT Masters
Password: here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2311)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=35).
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers should remember that they get only two free changes of car in each series.
(5) Please read this post (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2707.0) for the corner cutting rules for this event.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: popabawa on February 06, 2007, 03:12:11 PM +0000
I'm not gonna make this one, I'm still not well :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: linco24 on February 06, 2007, 03:14:58 PM +0000
Sorry to learn of this, get well soon mate.

Regards
Colin


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: mo on February 06, 2007, 03:27:44 PM +0000
Hope you're back racing soon Pops.........


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 06, 2007, 05:11:19 PM +0000
Damn, get well soon Pops, so I can carry on beating you.  :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Minton on February 06, 2007, 06:18:01 PM +0000
yeah get well mate... cant make tonights race, so busy at the moment. :(
Have a good one all.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Aagramn on February 06, 2007, 07:08:56 PM +0000
Get well soon Popa.

I'll be there tonight, expect to be a bit off the pace. Hopefully I can trundle around safely and pick up a few places.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Simon Gymer on February 06, 2007, 08:57:30 PM +0000
Sorry guys, but if half the field is racing to a different set of corner cutting rules to the other half I'm not going to take part. In qualifying I watched half the field go wide lap after lap on the final turn past the white line. And after I'd posted a warning about it no-one changed their line. It's not on.
 :cursing:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Aagramn on February 06, 2007, 09:32:24 PM +0000
Was enjoying Hock National, until with 12 minutes to go and with a Vertigo right on my tail my display locked up.  :( Hope I didn't get in anyone's way, I was blind at that point.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Paul968 on February 06, 2007, 09:48:29 PM +0000
which white line precisely do you mean Simon?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Jeffrey on February 06, 2007, 09:50:05 PM +0000
Race was again very close :).

In the first half, Paul968 and CJ were battling, so I could slowly drive away, creating a 2,5s gap. After CJ past Paul, he was gaining. I was calculating how much I could lose per lap :D.
Luckily for me, CJ had a bad entree for the stadium, as he was much faster there than me. So it would have been tough in the last few corners. There was some nice side to side (no contact) through the hairpin.

The sprints are exactly the right length  :P ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Madd-RIP on February 06, 2007, 09:50:39 PM +0000
 :( Pretty lacklustre attempt by me tbh, nowhere near the mid grid, made silly mistakes in race and got the result I deserved. Also fuel was way out, I put an extra 7 laps worth in but finished with only 0.2 litres left. Do you mean the double right hander or the s/f rumble strip?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Keith_D on February 06, 2007, 09:58:08 PM +0000
:( Pretty lacklustre attempt by me tbh, nowhere near the mid grid, made silly mistakes in race and got the result I deserved. Also fuel was way out, I put an extra 7 laps worth in but finished with only 0.2 litres left. Do you mean the double right hander or the s/f rumble strip?

As far as I could make out it was the last corner before turning onto the S/F straight, if you drove wide you could get some extra speed in the run up


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Aagramn on February 06, 2007, 10:04:36 PM +0000
As far as I could make out it was the last corner before turning onto the S/F straight, if you drove wide you could get some extra speed in the run up

Yes, Dave explained it in this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2707.msg43848#msg43848) post, which the race announcement above links to.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Paul968 on February 06, 2007, 10:05:17 PM +0000
Yes, but I'd like Simon to confirm that.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: picnic on February 06, 2007, 10:12:46 PM +0000
Replay (http://ukgtr.simracing.org.uk/Hockenheim%20National%20-%20NGT%20Sprint%20Masters%20070206.zip) and Provisional Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=255) are available


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Aagramn on February 06, 2007, 10:13:56 PM +0000
Cheers Picnic.

Yes, but I'd like Simon to confirm that.

He mentioned the last two corners in his ADMIN announcement during qual.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Paul968 on February 06, 2007, 10:15:24 PM +0000
Specifically before or after the last turn.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Madd-RIP on February 06, 2007, 10:17:30 PM +0000
Reading the announcement I would interperate that as between the last 2 corners.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Radius on February 06, 2007, 10:17:55 PM +0000
Vertislow isn't fun at all..although a real challenge. My quali was a nightmare, had wheel issues and left and rejoined 5 times i think tryhing to fix it in windows. So started last.

Race went ok, just pushed like mad and working way up the field when i caught up to Aaagrams quick M3 (on the straights at least  ;)) and was looking for a gap into the stadium when he lagged real bad and froze on the apex..i hit him hard but nothing happened to my car  ???

Other than that not fun really.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Jeffrey on February 06, 2007, 10:20:49 PM +0000


Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Hockenheim Nat NGT sprint 06-02-2007 MAS/index.html)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Paul968 on February 06, 2007, 10:21:00 PM +0000
Just to make it clear, I know what the rules say, but something Simon said on the mod's forum makes me wonder if he might think the line after the last corner must also not be crossed.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Mark J on February 06, 2007, 10:21:47 PM +0000
A tough race that, all those hard turning corners buggered my neck up again  :'(

Qualied 14th and was glad to be in front of about 4 or 5 cars for a change this season  ::)  :angel:

Race start was good with a whole pack of us battling around nose to tail. All went well for the first few laps and i got myself upto 11th.
But then a recovering Leuven put me under some intense pressure and like the true pro that i am...i binned it ::) :-[...b'ah, basically i got my front left onto the inside curve in the arena area and the car just pivoted around that tyre putting me into a slow sideways spin and i rejoined dead last  :'(
I then drove like a man possessed, ie head spinning whilst shouting expletives ;D I caught Paul and then Jan after a few laps and then chased after Madd-rip. I felt like i was absolutely rinsing the car to get it through the corners with any pace and closed right up, causing Madd to start getting slippery in the corners until he eventually lost it and i scraped past his spining fezza.
Eventually finished 11th? but it could have been a place or two higher if it wasnt for that damned spin. :(

Got to say battling for a midfield no points position every week is starting to get a little demoralising, maybe with all these aliens now present we ought to increase the points tally? :-\

Congrats to the podium chaps :alien: :surrender:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Aagramn on February 06, 2007, 10:22:47 PM +0000
I'm pretty sure he said before the last corner Paul.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Paul968 on February 06, 2007, 10:25:28 PM +0000
He said:

Quote
In qualifying I watched half the field go wide lap after lap on the final turn past the white line. And after I'd posted a warning about it no-one changed their line. It's not on.

That could mean before or after (to me anyway).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 06, 2007, 10:26:23 PM +0000
As far as I could make out it was the last corner before turning onto the S/F straight, if you drove wide you could get some extra speed in the run up

The specific rule for this track concerned the curbs between the final two turns, where you can run wide on to the curbs and even onto the drag strip beyond to get a faster entry into and exit from the final turn.

See also my post in the temporary rules thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2707.msg44169#msg44169). It appears that some people have decided to exploit what they consider to be a loophole in the rules. They may regret that decision. :-\

Please don't start a hefty discussion on it here; submit any incident reports and breaching the temporary rule as a matter of urgency and I'll review them as they come in to see what clarifcations if any are needed for the final two races at Hockenheim.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Enzo on February 07, 2007, 12:36:55 AM +0000
qualified 4th for this event which i was really pleased with but my connection let me down again this time on the warm up lap so again apologies if anyone suffered because of that!

i dont think i was anywhere near challenging for the win but maybe a podium was in sight :(

anyways im off to buy a router tomorrow which ive been told should fix my disco's



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: PaulW on February 07, 2007, 10:27:05 AM +0000
The points most definitely need to reach further down the field if SRUK expect people who can't progress to finishing in the early teens to stay motivated and carry on attending races.


Re: the corner instructions- is a short/sharp top down video worth making of what is the acceptable limit of these special corners?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Paul968 on February 07, 2007, 10:43:32 AM +0000
I don't understand Paul? Both you and Mark scored points in this race, as did everyone who finished, so why do we need to change anything?

The idea of a video (or at least some pics) is a good one - anything to make the issue clearer will help IMO.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: PaulW on February 07, 2007, 01:02:21 PM +0000
I'll PM you Paul- I've explained it a fair few times and I'm sure everyone is bored as hell with my "issues" by now ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters - Hockenheim (National) - Feb 6
Post by: Madd-RIP on February 07, 2007, 02:42:22 PM +0000
 :D Yes damn good fight Mark, and yes The car was VERY slippery  ;D, I'm almost at the head banging against wall stage again with my driving!  :P