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Title: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on October 15, 2021, 10:58:10 PM +0100
Season 39 – 1968 EARLY – Round 4 – Zandvoort  

Welcome to the first full season of the 1968 Early Mod – when racing cars evolved to grow wings. We will be using a selection of tracks from the original 1968 season. For each race drivers will be able to select from a group of 4 cars that have relatively similar performance levels.

There is no handicapping.

The fourth round will take place at the Zandvoort Circuit in the Netherlands. The actual 1968 race was won by Jackie Stewart in the Matra. Chris Amon started on pole.

The car set is Group I (these are all winged cars)
Ferrari 312
Lotus 49
Brabham BT26
McLaren M7A

Full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

Please read the season 39 general rules on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1531&theme=6).

Please read the specific rules for 68 series on the 1968 Early championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1591&theme=6).

Race listiGOR
ServerUKGPL4_60fps
IP addressTBA
Date19-10-2021
Track = Papyrus original
Mod68E with 60fpsV2newmod
DamageIntermediate
Race time~ 21:30 UK time
Qualifying 20:45 UK time - 45 minutes
Race length33 laps
ReplayHere (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OPbEMEE6lP1ozETEkNr3DL7VO4j1YUnE/view?usp=sharing)

If you don’t have the 68 Mod, go to this site http://68f1.gplworld.de/downloads.htm
Save Download 1 & Download 3 - you will need them both. Follow the installation instructions & select the 68 car sets in GEM.

Unlimited number of Shift-Rs are allowed with no need to make Stop & Go.

Drivers are reminded that Lap 1 incidents carry an extra 1 place penalty.

Only reported incidents will be moderated.

Please, excepting emergencies, no chat until Session Completed in qualification. No chat in the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: dave curtis on October 18, 2021, 09:36:14 AM +0100

Is it just me, but there appears to be a bunch of morons standing across the main straight?
The block on the right side of the track seems a lot more on-track when heading towards it too.

(https://i.ibb.co/wMDMZDw/Zand-morons-68e.jpg)



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Doni Yourth on October 18, 2021, 12:17:28 PM +0100
Yikes!  Seems it's just you, DC.  Send me a PM with an up-close screenshot and I'll see if I can identify and block out the offenders.  Not hard to do once I can isolate the group.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Pete Bennett on October 18, 2021, 04:04:02 PM +0100
Dave, if they're stupid enough to stand there, run them down. They deserve nothing less.  :gun_bandana:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Doni Yourth on October 18, 2021, 10:38:10 PM +0100
PM reply to you, Dave.  Seems I can't attach a probable fix.  See the PM, pls.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Phil Thornton on October 18, 2021, 11:00:43 PM +0100
I've just checked my installation and the 68E cars are fine for me at Zandvoort. If Doni's fix doesn't work I can zip up my Zandvoort directory and you can try that if you like.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Doni Yourth on October 19, 2021, 12:44:31 AM +0100
Just after midnight UK time.  File sent to DC via email.  Hope it works.  Let me know if there are others that need to be eliminated.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Leo Menegucci on October 19, 2021, 09:54:34 PM +0100
Axel I'm sorry. After being taken out of trakc I tryed to rejoin, lost my baking and wreck your race. I"m ashamed of such a stupid drivig  :surrender:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on October 19, 2021, 10:07:12 PM +0100
This series is just too fast for me.

I'm having accidents just trying to stay out of the way.

Apologies to Bastian. I started braking extra early into Tarzan but still ran into the back of you. Maybe I could have taken a wider line.

A couple of laps later I ran into someone else's accident & that was enough.

I do like this track but 1.25's wasn't cutting it.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Giovanni Centorame on October 19, 2021, 10:45:17 PM +0100
Someone rammed my car on T1, that's all,Dony did the remainder. I'll Watch the replay tomorrow and send a report, goodnight guys :-[


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: bagrupp on October 19, 2021, 11:05:33 PM +0100
This series is just too fast for me.

I'm having accidents just trying to stay out of the way.

Apologies to Bastian. I started braking extra early into Tarzan but still ran into the back of you. Maybe I could have taken a wider line.

A couple of laps later I ran into someone else's accident & that was enough.

I do like this track but 1.25's wasn't cutting it.


np. i had a messy race as well...afer that incident i oversaw a lotus lapping me ! sorry, and all other icidents. i really think i suspend myslef, don't know i an't handle 68 cars


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: dave curtis on October 19, 2021, 11:20:48 PM +0100

Also adding apologies for the race.

I had a few bumps/misunderstandings. When it goes wrong, it seems to unfold/happen very quickly with the 68s - or maybe particularly so here with the fast-flowing, funnel-nature of the track & a field of fast chaps.

I went off at the last corner. I specifically checked pribluda & it seemed ok, but to my horror a couple of cars appeared unexpectedly.  Maybe I just could not decode the red text on black background in time (everything else is clear enough). I've now adjusted the leader/lapping car colour to a brigher orange.

The race just became unenjoyable, trying to let cars past cleanly every lap or so.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: fpolicardi on October 20, 2021, 01:16:32 AM +0100
This series is just too fast for me.

I'm having accidents just trying to stay out of the way.

Apologies to Bastian. I started braking extra early into Tarzan but still ran into the back of you. Maybe I could have taken a wider line.

A couple of laps later I ran into someone else's accident & that was enough.

I do like this track but 1.25's wasn't cutting it.


np. i had a messy race as well...afer that incident i oversaw a lotus lapping me ! sorry, and all other icidents. i really think i suspend myslef, don't know i an't handle 68 cars
Bastian did you have a snake in your cockpit when I lapped you at braking for Tarzan?  :o ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Philippe Girard on October 20, 2021, 05:54:25 AM +0100
The start line for me was in the middle of the track.  What is the bug  ?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Giovanni Centorame on October 20, 2021, 10:22:50 AM +0100
I must apologize with everyone for T1 crash, i watched  the replay and i found i must have hit some ww2 mine buried in the tarmac, as my car flew off with no apparent reasons in the middle of Tarzan. Someone could check the replay to confirm this behaviour?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: bagrupp on October 20, 2021, 10:23:14 AM +0100
This series is just too fast for me.

I'm having accidents just trying to stay out of the way.

Apologies to Bastian. I started braking extra early into Tarzan but still ran into the back of you. Maybe I could have taken a wider line.

A couple of laps later I ran into someone else's accident & that was enough.

I do like this track but 1.25's wasn't cutting it.


np. i had a messy race as well...afer that incident i oversaw a lotus lapping me ! sorry, and all other icidents. i really think i suspend myslef, don't know i an't handle 68 cars
Bastian did you have a snake in your cockpit when I lapped you at braking for Tarzan?  :o ;D

ja, it seemed like...the car is so sensitive, i don't understand...it starts to swerve around so suddenly. i think i can drive. or is 68early mod even more difficult then 67 originals ?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Pete Bennett on October 20, 2021, 10:46:36 AM +0100
Bastian... don't give up. I find these 68 cars way easier than the original 67s. Would you like me to share some of my 68E Zandvort setups with you?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Pete Bennett on October 20, 2021, 11:15:05 AM +0100
What a race  ;D

I usually start like a container ship but my BT26 leapt ahead of Yannick to go from 6th to 4th before T1. I missed GC's incident and was happily chasing Uli until my Repco V8 went bang on the home straight as I started L6. Damn! This let Yannick through. So, from 8th place after a re-set, battle commenced with Phil and Alain. Wow! What fun. Chasing the pair of Lotus cars was awesome. I'm not sure what happened to Alain but I was helped by some spinning back-markers which made PT have to slow down a bit. I finally made a move on Phil on L19 but I was too hasty and turned in too soon at T1. I apologised in the chat after the race but I'll apologise again. Sorry Phil, my fault entirely. You were in my blindspot and I moved in too soon. I did do the gentlemanly thing though and wait for you to catch up and regain the place. I hope that this goes some way to make amends?

Then push push push to the end... I made the same move on Phil stick a few laps later but then threw it away in the wire fencing at the hairpin. Tom came to join the fun and then push push push again. Very hard work keeping up. I was happy with 5th slot but Tom went wide on T1 on the very last lap allowing me to sneak through. I could hear the swearing from here :P It nearly all went wrong on the last corner when Tom and I encountered a spinning Dave Curtis. I had to put out the anchors to slow down, Tom bounced off my gearbox but we made it through unscathed. A super close chase to the line...

Thanks to all.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: fpolicardi on October 20, 2021, 11:53:16 AM +0100
This series is just too fast for me.

I'm having accidents just trying to stay out of the way.

Apologies to Bastian. I started braking extra early into Tarzan but still ran into the back of you. Maybe I could have taken a wider line.

A couple of laps later I ran into someone else's accident & that was enough.

I do like this track but 1.25's wasn't cutting it.


np. i had a messy race as well...afer that incident i oversaw a lotus lapping me ! sorry, and all other icidents. i really think i suspend myslef, don't know i an't handle 68 cars
Bastian did you have a snake in your cockpit when I lapped you at braking for Tarzan?  :o ;D

ja, it seemed like...the car is so sensitive, i don't understand...it starts to swerve around so suddenly. i think i can drive. or is 68early mod even more difficult then 67 originals ?
I found Ferrari default setup with 8/10 wings and 55% front brake quite good and stable. Zandy si one of my fav track, too bad I had a trekking in the sand and ended on my head and had to reset loosing a couple of positions.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: bagrupp on October 20, 2021, 12:13:42 PM +0100
sorry guys....is there something completly wrong with my installment ?
 
Neither the cars have wings in the graphice nor i can set them (usually above the gear ratios)
that would explain much, but how could that happen ?? and i thought wings came up late in 68...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Tom Johnson on October 20, 2021, 04:42:18 PM +0100
Fun race despite getting caught up in the first lap Gerlach disaster. After the crash I was chasing Doni when Giovanni and Andreas caught up. Decided to let Giovanna and Andreas pass rather than have pressure from behind while dicing with Doni. Shortly after that they had and incident in Hugenholtz allowing me back in front. Next I caught up to Billy and Dave who driving well when I was dicing with them. Then I hooked up with Fulvio, Pete and Phil for many laps of close racing, before running off at Tarzan on the last lap. Got back on track and gave chase to Pete, hoping to make a run on him going down the start finish straight. Very glad I didn't crash Pete when I bumped him going into the final corner. Thanks for the fun racing all!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Doni Yourth on October 20, 2021, 06:05:19 PM +0100
Grats to our podium winners!  Well done, chaps.

A P11 finish quite satisfying for me in the BT26 as I refuse to aero.  It's the bane of proper motorsports.

Starting at the back, the assorted shunts ahead on Lap01 had me up a bunch of places straightaway.  It was fun trying my best to hold off the much faster cars in the twisties and take advantage of the zero aero drag on the pit straight to stay ahead.  This worked for a number of laps against challengers especially the unfortunate Giovanni in the Ferrari.  He made repeated assaults only to come up empty as I could reach Tarzan with enough in hand to prevail.  Ultimately, he found the chink in my armour and made the pass to disappear into the distance in short order.  Was fun while it lasted.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: uli on October 20, 2021, 07:06:33 PM +0100
Yesterday I must chose the Lotus 49 because this car made F1 history in Zandvoort, he belong to Zandvoort – handling felt good too but yesterday it was the wrong choice for winning this race - no chance against the bloddy fast Ferraris - great speed guys!
Except my the accident in the Tarzan, when I could not avoid a Lotus standing in full width in the middle of the road, so I went back from P2 to P4. My second mistake (find the wrong gear) in the Scheivlak, when I just had closed the gap to Yannick, costs P2 but my race was fine – I saw the checkered flag. Great that we have again such a full grid!
Grats to all lapped, except (not realy) for the situation in the Tarzan ;) – that‘s racing, nP.
I am looking forward to Rouen, where I often had close races.
Congratiulation to Ziu and Yannick and big THX to you Billy one of our best admins.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Philippe Girard on October 20, 2021, 07:16:55 PM +0100
The start line for me was in the middle of the track.  What is the bug  ?

Hi,
nobody can explain why I was start on the middle of the track ??


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on October 20, 2021, 07:28:51 PM +0100
sorry guys....is there something completly wrong with my installment ?
 
Neither the cars have wings in the graphice nor i can set them (usually above the gear ratios)
that would explain much, but how could that happen ?? and i thought wings came up late in 68...
Bastian - as far as understand the 4 cars available at Zandvoort have wings. (Group II, II & IV don't). The set up function is the same as 69X - you can change the front & rear wing elevation on the same page as the gear ratios. The function is there for all 68E cars, but only enabled for the Group I cars.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Phil Thornton on October 20, 2021, 09:01:06 PM +0100
The start line for me was in the middle of the track.  What is the bug  ?
Hi,
nobody can explain why I was start on the middle of the track ??
Sorry Philippe, my mistake. I've replied to your PM.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Phil Thornton on October 20, 2021, 10:55:34 PM +0100
I must apologize with everyone for T1 crash, i watched  the replay and i found i must have hit some ww2 mine buried in the tarmac, as my car flew off with no apparent reasons in the middle of Tarzan. Someone could check the replay to confirm this behaviour?
I've checked the server replay and it looks like warp contact to me. The latency is critical at the start of the race because so many cars are close together. So it is always wise to leave a little bit extra distance to the car ahead and to make sure you are extra wide if you are on the outside of the first turn.  I think you were just a little unlucky Giovanni. A car will invariable warp towards the outside so being on the outside is always risky. Thank you for the apology but I don't think many drivers suffered from your mishap. It was turn 2/3 that was the bigger problem.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Phil Thornton on October 20, 2021, 11:07:52 PM +0100
I finally made a move on Phil on L19 but I was too hasty and turned in too soon at T1. I apologised in the chat after the race but I'll apologise again. Sorry Phil, my fault entirely. You were in my blindspot and I moved in too soon. I did do the gentlemanly thing though and wait for you to catch up and regain the place. I hope that this goes some way to make amends?
Thanks for waiting Pete. We are even. You actually had won the corner (you had 100% overlap at turn-in) but that doesn't mean you can cut across. For future reference drivers should stay on their own side of the track until it is safe to move across (as in this similar but not exactly the same  example (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/side_by_side_simple_4_a)). I picked the inside line because I expected you to attack. I figured it was safer on the inside because if you got it wrong and out braked yourself, you wouldn't take me out if you were on the outside. You drove really well, I'm having trouble keeping up with you ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: Phil Thornton on October 20, 2021, 11:11:39 PM +0100
sorry guys....is there something completly wrong with my installment ?
 
Neither the cars have wings in the graphice nor i can set them (usually above the gear ratios)
that would explain much, but how could that happen ?? and i thought wings came up late in 68...
The wings and graphics don't always align. My Lotus 49 didn't have wings in the graphics but I could certainly set the wing angles. The settings were above the gear ratios for me, just as you have said.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: bagrupp on October 21, 2021, 10:43:38 AM +0100
Phil - Pete - Billy.

Thanks for your answers. I will check my mod installation in the weekend and tell you.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1968 F1 (Early) - Zandvoort - Oct 19
Post by: bagrupp on October 21, 2021, 10:45:02 AM +0100
Bastian... don't give up. I find these 68 cars way easier than the original 67s. Would you like me to share some of my 68E Zandvort setups with you?

as i'am awfully weak in setting up cars i would never say no to that ;)